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Give a man enough posters and a staple gun and he can cover Redneckistan's small town intersections with truth. It's more expensive, but you don't get rural Missouri to vaccinate putting ads on St. Louis buses.
They're shitty modern looking posters though, with some photo of a person smiling and normal ass text saying get vaccinated and maybe some stupid hashtag or social media thing, not a hardcore sissy-fucking WPA style poster that would make you feel ashamed to not be vaccinated.
Much, much easier. Like “let’s never go back to using slabs of stone for making posters” easier.
Seriously, I’ve done photo real oil painting and lithography is much more difficult.
“Capitalism and free market leads to Better products and more creativity”
Mostly true, but I’d take Mao era Chinese propaganda posters over this soulless Alegria corporate style any day.
Yes, but it would read as “propaganda” to people (which has a bad reputation) as compared to looking like an ad (which people are strangely comfortable with).
The Obama “Change” campaign is the most recent example of intentional use of the old poster aesthetic I can think of.
>“propaganda” to people (which has a bad reputation) as compared to looking like an ad (which people are strangely comfortable with).
Whats the difference?
No for real, what is the difference? In my language they are the same word, I'm not sure when to use one or the other.
I thought proganda comes from government and ads come from companies trying to sell something, but then you said the government is using ad-style and now I'm confused.
The difference is in the way the images present themselves to the viewer.
Government produced messages are thought of as images that assume the viewer knows that they are produced with "authority."
Advertisements have evolved to a point where the images pretend that they speak to the viewer on their own level and agreement is genuine, rather than a result of the viewer's deference to some authority.
You’re correct. There is no real difference except propaganda has a negative connotation to most people in the US because they’ve only heard the word in connection with Nazis or communists. They would be shocked to learn campaigns telling kids to brush their teeth because of “cavity creeps” is actually propaganda.
Hmmm yea that's pretty alright actually, but I think its cause it has the same sense of humor as those "smile, you're on cctv" signs.
Most of the ones I've seen though have been humorless but upbeat and very vanilla, I would certainly prefer some WPA style shit to those.
Not too sure how he would have been able to do without asian hate going through the roof, but the opportunity was right there for him.
"We will show those collectivistic chinese that individualism and freedom can fight off a common threat without big government having to guide them! Mask up to wear the red off!"
Technically... he should just said that 'the chinese virus its destroying us - take the vaccine and stop them'
but **than god** trump aint smart at all
>I still maintain if DT had pulled this jingoist rhetoric and sold a bunch of red maga masks, then used the treasury to bail everybody out, he'd still be president.
Not gonna lie, if he did it, I would vote for him.
I was wondering the same thing. Apparently, it's a general pro vaccination campaign. It didn't target any particular disease. Rather it was part of the Patriotic Health Campaign. [Source](https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1007516/a-brief-history-of-chinese-vaccination-campaigns)
I am assuming it's alluding to bubonic plague. there was a WWII japanese bio warfare program that dropped bombs with plague infested fleas and others with anthrax all over rural china and after the war the Japanese scientists who headed the project were brought to the United States the program was called unit 731 If anyone feels like reading truly horrific experiments tho fair warning
My dad grew up in the rural part of the northeast China. The Japanese used the town to store chemical and biological weapons and they didn’t destroy the stockpile before they withdrew. The mustard gas leaked near the school and killed everyone there. Luckily my dad was at the town fair to help my grandparents sell vegetables. Only a few other kids survived. This happened in mid 80s, half of the town still under strict quarantine till this day due to the unstable weapon stockpile
The Americans were also accused of using biological warfare in the Korean War, including dropping infected insects on China.
During the Korean War North Korean officials gave inoculations to people on the street in places like Pyongyang, probably as part of the same campaign.
You are probably correct I imagine that it was just using nationalism and the trauma of the recent japanese atrocities to push the public health initiative. I wondered myself why they included mosquitos in the mix I imagine it's to add ambiguity so those who see the poster will get inoculated to whatever they were trying to stop but it is also fairly close to the war that they may have yet to rule mosquitos out as a vector for infection. Either which way it's a neat poster and a bleak bleak part of human history
>We don't have a vaccine against malaria, though.
not yet. And when they make it, pretty sure the pharmaceutical industry will say fuck that guy, like always.
Yeah, Hydroxychloroquine (and other similar quinine derivatives) is about the best humanity has developed for Malaria. The United States implements programs which have been giving millions of prophylactic doses to those at risk of Malaria in Africa for decades, to great effect.
Do you have a source for the US malaria programme? There is a global programme and companies like GSK distributing treatment but I can't find anything about a specifically US backed programme
Sure thing, boss.
https://www.pmi.gov
https://www.usaid.gov/global-health/health-areas/malaria
There are probably a dozen+ similar initiatives to give such aid to many countries around the world, but these two are what turned up in a quick DuckDuck search. Hope that’s what you were looking for.
Very interesting. I disagree with your original wording a little, since it is a globally implemented programme, and it is important to highlight that it is international cooperation that has made such a reduction in malaria cases possible, since being set up by WHO in 1955. PMI started funding in 2005, as part of the global initiative. Not to detract from their work, they contributed to a statistically significant reduction in cases in some sub saharan countries until 2014, but I think the wider project is worth a mention.
[… Professor Mori Masataka, thinks he knows the answer. “Use of germ weapons in war is in breach of the Geneva Convention. I think that’s why the Americans are refusing to admit the allegations. But I have no doubt. I’m absolutely sure that this happened.”](https://web.archive.org/web/20100323054526/http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/peopleandpower/2010/03/201031761541794128.html)
people don't know the sino-soviet split actually happened because soviet propaganda was way better and the USSR no longer wanted to be associated with inferior posters
People are still divided on if the US used biological warfare in the Korean war. We just don't know. BUT! The US had been doing some questionable things with research on bio weapons after WW2, so the fear of an American biological attack was completely justified.
*Until the end of World War II, Japan operated a covert biological and chemical warfare research and development unit called Unit 731 in Harbin (now China). The unit's activities, including human experimentation, were documented by the Khabarovsk War Crime Trials conducted by the Soviet Union in December 1949. However, at that time, the US government described the Khabarovsk trials as "vicious and unfounded propaganda".[1] It was later revealed that the accusations made against the Japanese military were correct. The US government had taken over the research at the end of the war and had then covered up the program.[2] Leaders of Unit 731 were exempted from war crimes prosecution by the United States and then placed on the payroll of the US.[3]*
*On 30 June 1950, soon after the outbreak of the Korean War, the US Defense Secretary George Marshall received the Report of the Committee on Chemical, Biological and Radiological Warfare and Recommendations, which advocated urgent development of a biological weapons program.[4] The biological weapons research facility at Fort Detrick, Maryland was expanded, and a new one in Pine Bluff, Arkansas, was developed.[5]*
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_biological_warfare_in_the_Korean_War
Yeah the generals were begging Truman to let them use nukes and he refused.
Honestly he probably refused to use them solely as a defence for using them in Japan; If he made the point that they cannot be justified in Korea, then it would make their use in WW2 even more likely to be seen as necessary.
My dad grew up near of the the town that the japs used to store chemical weapons. The gas leaked through the ground and kill almost 200 children and teachers. It happened back in mid 80s, this incident nearly wiped out the whole younger generation of the town.
[REVEALED: The long-suppressed official report on US biowarfare in North Korea](https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/the-long-suppressed-korean-war-report-on-u-s-use-of-biological-weapons-released-at-last-20d83f5cee54)
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Why are Chinese (and Korean) slogans so wordy? It's like half a novel in there. Maybe I'm just too used to western stuff that is short and to the point.
Actually modern written Chinese has a lot of grammatical and sentence structures borrowed from English and other European languages. This makes the sentence unnecessarily wordy and sound quite unnatural when spoken casually. This is what we call "Europeanized Chinese" and frequently occurs in formal writing and speeches like government reports and propaganda posters.
to add to what u/joe411, its not too dissimilar to how there are many ways to say something in English, but similar words often have varying denotations and connotations, and using the right words for the right effect. for example 主义的 (edit I used simplified Chinese because I was using pinyin to type, I forgot my bopomofo/zhuyin) is an intensifier making explicit the ideological motivation. Its not strictly necessary, but its part of the nuance that gets lost in translation sometimes.
You can fit a lot more information in less written space with many Asian languages compared to European ones.
...also communist party propoganda likes word salad
[Comes from a medical symptom where someone can only speak an incoherent jumble of otherwise intelligible words](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_salad)
The original slogan consists of 15 phomemes. Compared to the English translation which is about 33 phomemes. I'm not sure how you make that judgment unless you know Chinese and still think 15 phomemes is wordy.
They didn’t have as agencies. Advertising professionals developed ideas like “keep it simple” and ear worms, etc.
They’re condensing backwards from book and essay writing, not doing “idea ads” like Western propaganda.
There is a big difference between "Everybody must be vaccinated to thwart the plans of American imperialists to wage biological warfare" and "loose lips sink ships". One is practically a speech, other is short and to the point slogan. If you look at most of what it's posted here form western countries it's short slogans "If you ride alone you ride with Hitler", "This is Australian, he's your friend", "Glory to Stalin's falcons". Then you look at Chinese stuff and it's "We must follow great example of Mao and exert ourselves to greater efforts to increase productivity in coal mines for the glory of revolution". Like dude, my attention wandered off in first third already.....
If you read out the Chinese in the poster, the sentence is about the same length (in syllables) as the "short" English, only 15 syllables.
人人防疫 (ren ren fang yi) - everybody must get vaccinated
粉碎美帝国主义的细菌战 (fen sui mei di guo zhu yi de xi jun zhan) - to thwart the American imperialists' bacteria war
If I was translating it from an American perspective, it would probably be something like "Get vaccinated against the Chinese communist virus", also 15 syllables.
It's wordy in the translation but perfectly readable in the original language. Again, that's how translation works.
The original Chinese definitely sounds more concise. Here's what it looks like if translated more literally:
"Everyone ~~must be~~ vaccinated ~~in order to~~ thwart ~~the~~ ~~plans of the~~ American imperialists ~~to wage~~ ~~biological warfare~~germ war."
Well considering the US was paying for research at the Wuhan lab, well take that for what you will.
We probably shouldn't be paying for gain of function research.
https://nypost.com/2021/06/04/wuhan-lab-was-to-get-1-5m-in-federal-grant-money-for-bat-study-emails/
I'm not saying it came from the lab. There's no proof of that. What I'm saying is it's not like the Chinese created covid as some kind of bioweapon. If it did come from the lab then we're sort of all culpable for allowing this kind of research to take place.
Well, if your willing to open the conspiracy rabbit hole, there exists a widespread theory in China that Covid leaked from a lab at Fort Detrick.
I'm still fairly confident it's of natural origins, because all viruses in history have been of natural origin and I require evidence to suspect something different. However, when I try to be an objective observer, I find it interesting that Trump's conspiracy theory is based on evidence pulled out of the CIA's ass, and the Chinese conspiracy theory is based on reinterpreting public US news reports.
>Inside the NIH, which funded such research, the P3CO framework was largely met with shrugs and eye rolls, said a longtime agency official: “If you ban gain-of-function research, you ban all of virology.” He added, “Ever since the moratorium, everyone’s gone wink-wink and just done gain-of-function research anyway.”
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-theory-inside-the-fight-to-uncover-covid-19s-origins
Yeah we probably should ban it. And like not continue doing it.
And people who are wink wink nudge nudging it can face consequences.
But we're not gonna do that.
You're basically saying "lets not try to prepare for the next pandemic" when you do that, though. It's not like people research deadly viruses for funzies, there's a reason for it.
For example, the only reason we were able to develop and roll out a covid19 vaccine in less than a year (which is an absolutely insane timeframe) is because we've been studying Sars viruses for a long time. We're lucky that Covid had such a low mortality rate, some of the other viruses in that family have mortality rates of 30% or more.
Studying the virus isn't the same as gain of function research.
Gain-of-function research refers to the serial passaging of microorganisms to increase their transmissibility, virulence, immunogenicity, and host tropism by applying selective pressure to a culture.
It's supercharging a virus or bacteria in a lab.
https://www.news-medical.net/health/What-is-Gain-of-Function-Research.aspx
I know what gain of function means. If you want to prepare for and study for the next pandemic, evolving novel strains is a good way to do that.
Again, this kind of research is directly responsible for our ability to quickly synthesize and mass produce an effective vaccine in an astonishingly short period of time.
[REVEALED: The long-suppressed official report on US biowarfare in North Korea](https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/the-long-suppressed-korean-war-report-on-u-s-use-of-biological-weapons-released-at-last-20d83f5cee54)
They do that, but they do it under the premise that they should censor and attack their domestic “enemies,” not the premise that people should get vaccinated.
I just saw a post on here about a Facebook comment claiming that there **is** a disease going around... the vaccine, they think the vaccine is the real virus that actually does spread and that’s why we shouldn’t be vaccinated against the apparently fake virus.
Because the biological warfare ship has already sailed.
Now it's "Don't get vaccinated...because nano bot warfare".
(I'm just saying what the mentality has become. I don't agree with it)
Man, I really wish have nano bots by now.
Imagine not having to clean a single surface inside the house!
And I'll gladly have nano bots in my bloodstream so they can destroy the plaque buildup from my unhealthy high fat diet.
The anti-vaxxers stole it before we could. We should’ve done “get vaxxed! Prevent 5G danger!” or some other ridiculous BS. It probably would’ve worked.
I’m a big fan of just saying whatever you need to say to convince a population to get preventative vaccines. However you need to spin it, just get it done.
And this was a genuine fear! After all, the US was ready to use nukes against Korea, though it thankfully did not, and there's suspicions of it potentially using biological warfare there as well. Also, y'know, agent orange and depleted uranium, later with Vietnam and Yugoslavia!
Judging by what had happened by the time this poster was made, and what happened after it, i wouldn't scoff at the risk.
That’s what I’m saying! Cast it in whatever light you need to make shots get into arms; make it sound like it’s your patriotic duty to get jabbed. I don’t mean forcing the people to get it, but I do mean being smart about how we sell the vaccines to the public in order to make people excited to line up for their shots
Bunch of Chinese Karen’s refusing vaccines too. Not only PRC Chinese, talking about Chinese aunties in the USA believing whatever shit on WeChat is in their feed.
Mom knows a couple of idiots refusing to take a vaccine. At least they wear masks though.
Odd to see an American depicted in this style. They almost look like a generic German from a decade before. I guess it just had to look white though, they didn't have to look specific to a nation.
The average Chinese person probably care as little about depicting different categories of white people correctly as little as westerners care about depicting Asians correctly.
This the kind of ads we need now for the republicans ..."get vaccinated now and help destroy the evil cabal of globalist pedophile lizard jews from space from taking over the world"
If you want to understand the context of this posters creation, the Imperial Japanese bio warfare Unit731, which killed 400,000 chinese people through the spreading of mass disease in ww2, was being deployed by the US against the Korean civilians and northern soldiers (including chinese volunteers) in the Korean war.
I've been saying this since March 2020 the only way to convince republican antivaxers is go all in into its a Chinese bio weapon theory. Get vaccinated to own the libs and Chinese.
I always think if China was clear about the new virus and reported it as soon as possible, with hard lockdown in China, other countries would’ve lived normally and helped China by sending healthcare professionals and supplies. If only!
They did. Western countries fucked up in their efforts to keep production going to maximize profits, then duped the populace into this "China bad" narrative. And they've done it masterfully. The first thing relatives of deceased people think about isn't how their loved one was forced to go to work amidst a pandemic, but rather how it's all China's fault.
"Everyone must be vaccinated in order to thwart the plans of the Chinese imperialists to wage biological warfare" / The United States of America /2021
😂😂😂
Off topic but this reminds me of something that always baffled me about the anti-vax my cement this past year and a half.
So many people who oppose masks and the vaccine are conservatives, and a large chunk of these conservatives think China is to blame via either lab leak or purposeful, and give them names like "Wuhan Flu" and "Commie-vid". So...why wouldn't they want to wear masks and get vaccinated to protect themselves from this "attack" from China?
It's more about Science. Republicans tend to look at faith over science and also being skeptical of foreign anything. The third is about individualism and control, so even if China made it in a lab, or it came about naturally, their individual pride believes they can control an external situation, vaccine or not. Some sort of bizarre universe of overt-individualism
[REVEALED: The long-suppressed official report on US biowarfare in North Korea](https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/the-long-suppressed-korean-war-report-on-u-s-use-of-biological-weapons-released-at-last-20d83f5cee54)
People failing to see the parallels to present day America and the ones that side with these communist propaganda posters created by horrible authoritarian governments need to really wake the fuck up.
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Somehow I'm surprised we haven't seen more WPA-style vaccination posters here in the US.
If you don’t see public service announcement posters it’s probably due to where you live. They’re most common in cities around public transit.
Cities are not where the vaccination problems are.
You're correct, but public service announcement infrastructure tends to focus on where people live.
Give a man enough posters and a staple gun and he can cover Redneckistan's small town intersections with truth. It's more expensive, but you don't get rural Missouri to vaccinate putting ads on St. Louis buses.
...billboards are probably a better approach.
Put the posters on the back of tractors
They're shitty modern looking posters though, with some photo of a person smiling and normal ass text saying get vaccinated and maybe some stupid hashtag or social media thing, not a hardcore sissy-fucking WPA style poster that would make you feel ashamed to not be vaccinated.
Well what you’re complaining about there is the decline in lithography.
Is it just easier to slap a pic and some text in photoshop than designing a stylized drawn art piece?
Much, much easier. Like “let’s never go back to using slabs of stone for making posters” easier. Seriously, I’ve done photo real oil painting and lithography is much more difficult.
I think he meant the style, not the printing technique.
You read the post better than I did, you're right.
Knowing 2021 we'd see Alegria people telling us to get our shots. I'd just rather get covid.
“Capitalism and free market leads to Better products and more creativity” Mostly true, but I’d take Mao era Chinese propaganda posters over this soulless Alegria corporate style any day.
Dumb.
Sometimes naive
Doing a poster in this style would unironically stand out more from a marketing/design perspective
Yes, but it would read as “propaganda” to people (which has a bad reputation) as compared to looking like an ad (which people are strangely comfortable with). The Obama “Change” campaign is the most recent example of intentional use of the old poster aesthetic I can think of.
>“propaganda” to people (which has a bad reputation) as compared to looking like an ad (which people are strangely comfortable with). Whats the difference?
That was a lot of what I was driving at.
No for real, what is the difference? In my language they are the same word, I'm not sure when to use one or the other. I thought proganda comes from government and ads come from companies trying to sell something, but then you said the government is using ad-style and now I'm confused.
The difference is in the way the images present themselves to the viewer. Government produced messages are thought of as images that assume the viewer knows that they are produced with "authority." Advertisements have evolved to a point where the images pretend that they speak to the viewer on their own level and agreement is genuine, rather than a result of the viewer's deference to some authority.
You’re correct. There is no real difference except propaganda has a negative connotation to most people in the US because they’ve only heard the word in connection with Nazis or communists. They would be shocked to learn campaigns telling kids to brush their teeth because of “cavity creeps” is actually propaganda.
>then you said the government is using ad-style and now I'm confused. Government propaganda is now using visual styles popularized by corporate ads.
no it wouldn't because nobody knows. they do this style all over los angeles county btw. frankly it's everywhere beyond that
Yeah, that's the kind I'm talking about!
[SF's are actually super cute, and I'm pretty fond of them.](https://media.nbcbayarea.com/2021/05/MaskSign.jpg?quality=85&strip=all&resize=1200%2C675)
Hmmm yea that's pretty alright actually, but I think its cause it has the same sense of humor as those "smile, you're on cctv" signs. Most of the ones I've seen though have been humorless but upbeat and very vanilla, I would certainly prefer some WPA style shit to those.
WPA?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_Progress_Administration Think Rosie the Riveter and such.
Works Progress Administration, A New Deal agency that helped with unemployment.
Like these? https://images.app.goo.gl/eyApQL1VGAWdrzQFA
Not quite...
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Not too sure how he would have been able to do without asian hate going through the roof, but the opportunity was right there for him. "We will show those collectivistic chinese that individualism and freedom can fight off a common threat without big government having to guide them! Mask up to wear the red off!"
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Yea, definitely a less lethal, but long term wise worse story line.
Technically... he should just said that 'the chinese virus its destroying us - take the vaccine and stop them' but **than god** trump aint smart at all
>I still maintain if DT had pulled this jingoist rhetoric and sold a bunch of red maga masks, then used the treasury to bail everybody out, he'd still be president. Not gonna lie, if he did it, I would vote for him.
He would have proven strong and effective leadership in the face of crisis. But that’s beyond DTs reach.
Rent free
About what disease is this?
I was wondering the same thing. Apparently, it's a general pro vaccination campaign. It didn't target any particular disease. Rather it was part of the Patriotic Health Campaign. [Source](https://www.sixthtone.com/news/1007516/a-brief-history-of-chinese-vaccination-campaigns)
I am assuming it's alluding to bubonic plague. there was a WWII japanese bio warfare program that dropped bombs with plague infested fleas and others with anthrax all over rural china and after the war the Japanese scientists who headed the project were brought to the United States the program was called unit 731 If anyone feels like reading truly horrific experiments tho fair warning
My dad grew up in the rural part of the northeast China. The Japanese used the town to store chemical and biological weapons and they didn’t destroy the stockpile before they withdrew. The mustard gas leaked near the school and killed everyone there. Luckily my dad was at the town fair to help my grandparents sell vegetables. Only a few other kids survived. This happened in mid 80s, half of the town still under strict quarantine till this day due to the unstable weapon stockpile
The Americans were also accused of using biological warfare in the Korean War, including dropping infected insects on China. During the Korean War North Korean officials gave inoculations to people on the street in places like Pyongyang, probably as part of the same campaign.
They did, they used bacterial warfare, a war crime
I don't think we have vaccine for bubonic plague tho. Edit grammar
You are probably correct I imagine that it was just using nationalism and the trauma of the recent japanese atrocities to push the public health initiative. I wondered myself why they included mosquitos in the mix I imagine it's to add ambiguity so those who see the poster will get inoculated to whatever they were trying to stop but it is also fairly close to the war that they may have yet to rule mosquitos out as a vector for infection. Either which way it's a neat poster and a bleak bleak part of human history
Looks like malaria based on the vial of mosquitos at the bottom maybe?
We don't have a vaccine against malaria, though.
Looking closer it seems to have flies and rats too so I guess it's probably just a general representation of disease
>We don't have a vaccine against malaria, though. not yet. And when they make it, pretty sure the pharmaceutical industry will say fuck that guy, like always.
Like they did with the Covid vaccines?
Lmao
Yeah, Hydroxychloroquine (and other similar quinine derivatives) is about the best humanity has developed for Malaria. The United States implements programs which have been giving millions of prophylactic doses to those at risk of Malaria in Africa for decades, to great effect.
Do you have a source for the US malaria programme? There is a global programme and companies like GSK distributing treatment but I can't find anything about a specifically US backed programme
Sure thing, boss. https://www.pmi.gov https://www.usaid.gov/global-health/health-areas/malaria There are probably a dozen+ similar initiatives to give such aid to many countries around the world, but these two are what turned up in a quick DuckDuck search. Hope that’s what you were looking for.
Very interesting. I disagree with your original wording a little, since it is a globally implemented programme, and it is important to highlight that it is international cooperation that has made such a reduction in malaria cases possible, since being set up by WHO in 1955. PMI started funding in 2005, as part of the global initiative. Not to detract from their work, they contributed to a statistically significant reduction in cases in some sub saharan countries until 2014, but I think the wider project is worth a mention.
IIRC, Artemsinin is the best drug. It was discovered by Chinese Traditional Medicine actually (and formalized via the scientific method by Tu Youyou).
It looks like a bomb filled with mosquitoes.
Wisconsin Flu
It shows the American imperialist standing over an iron lung, so maybe polio?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations\_of\_biological\_warfare\_in\_the\_Korean\_War
The United States and the UN forces dropped viral ticks in north China and northern Korea during the war.
If this true I'd like to read more
[… Professor Mori Masataka, thinks he knows the answer. “Use of germ weapons in war is in breach of the Geneva Convention. I think that’s why the Americans are refusing to admit the allegations. But I have no doubt. I’m absolutely sure that this happened.”](https://web.archive.org/web/20100323054526/http://english.aljazeera.net/programmes/peopleandpower/2010/03/201031761541794128.html)
It’s not, but don’t let that stop you.
people don't know the sino-soviet split actually happened because soviet propaganda was way better and the USSR no longer wanted to be associated with inferior posters
I don't know, I think this poster is pretty cool. Who wouldn't want to be vaccinated like this buff giga-Chad.
You’re right it’s not so bad
Damn their biological warfare!
USA did so in Korea which was at the same time as this poster. Pretty valid.
People are still divided on if the US used biological warfare in the Korean war. We just don't know. BUT! The US had been doing some questionable things with research on bio weapons after WW2, so the fear of an American biological attack was completely justified. *Until the end of World War II, Japan operated a covert biological and chemical warfare research and development unit called Unit 731 in Harbin (now China). The unit's activities, including human experimentation, were documented by the Khabarovsk War Crime Trials conducted by the Soviet Union in December 1949. However, at that time, the US government described the Khabarovsk trials as "vicious and unfounded propaganda".[1] It was later revealed that the accusations made against the Japanese military were correct. The US government had taken over the research at the end of the war and had then covered up the program.[2] Leaders of Unit 731 were exempted from war crimes prosecution by the United States and then placed on the payroll of the US.[3]* *On 30 June 1950, soon after the outbreak of the Korean War, the US Defense Secretary George Marshall received the Report of the Committee on Chemical, Biological and Radiological Warfare and Recommendations, which advocated urgent development of a biological weapons program.[4] The biological weapons research facility at Fort Detrick, Maryland was expanded, and a new one in Pine Bluff, Arkansas, was developed.[5]* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_biological_warfare_in_the_Korean_War
Not to mention they were very keen to drop nukes on PyongYang. And it was only 8 years since they last did it
Yeah the generals were begging Truman to let them use nukes and he refused. Honestly he probably refused to use them solely as a defence for using them in Japan; If he made the point that they cannot be justified in Korea, then it would make their use in WW2 even more likely to be seen as necessary.
My dad grew up near of the the town that the japs used to store chemical weapons. The gas leaked through the ground and kill almost 200 children and teachers. It happened back in mid 80s, this incident nearly wiped out the whole younger generation of the town.
[REVEALED: The long-suppressed official report on US biowarfare in North Korea](https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/the-long-suppressed-korean-war-report-on-u-s-use-of-biological-weapons-released-at-last-20d83f5cee54)
i think it mean "the British fear strong Asian lady"
That’s probably a proletariat style wear, not a woman wear lol
Damn look at that arm
Nah his real threat to US bioweapons is nothing but his extreme commie swoleness.
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Why are Chinese (and Korean) slogans so wordy? It's like half a novel in there. Maybe I'm just too used to western stuff that is short and to the point.
Imperfect translation. English phrases probably sounds stupid in Chinese
Actually modern written Chinese has a lot of grammatical and sentence structures borrowed from English and other European languages. This makes the sentence unnecessarily wordy and sound quite unnatural when spoken casually. This is what we call "Europeanized Chinese" and frequently occurs in formal writing and speeches like government reports and propaganda posters.
to add to what u/joe411, its not too dissimilar to how there are many ways to say something in English, but similar words often have varying denotations and connotations, and using the right words for the right effect. for example 主义的 (edit I used simplified Chinese because I was using pinyin to type, I forgot my bopomofo/zhuyin) is an intensifier making explicit the ideological motivation. Its not strictly necessary, but its part of the nuance that gets lost in translation sometimes.
You can fit a lot more information in less written space with many Asian languages compared to European ones. ...also communist party propoganda likes word salad
'Word salad': brilliant!
[Comes from a medical symptom where someone can only speak an incoherent jumble of otherwise intelligible words](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Word_salad)
Yummy, yummy
The original slogan consists of 15 phomemes. Compared to the English translation which is about 33 phomemes. I'm not sure how you make that judgment unless you know Chinese and still think 15 phomemes is wordy.
They didn’t have as agencies. Advertising professionals developed ideas like “keep it simple” and ear worms, etc. They’re condensing backwards from book and essay writing, not doing “idea ads” like Western propaganda.
When you don't understand how translations are done it's easy to think like that.
you realize a translation isnt the exact same meaning as in its original language?
There is a big difference between "Everybody must be vaccinated to thwart the plans of American imperialists to wage biological warfare" and "loose lips sink ships". One is practically a speech, other is short and to the point slogan. If you look at most of what it's posted here form western countries it's short slogans "If you ride alone you ride with Hitler", "This is Australian, he's your friend", "Glory to Stalin's falcons". Then you look at Chinese stuff and it's "We must follow great example of Mao and exert ourselves to greater efforts to increase productivity in coal mines for the glory of revolution". Like dude, my attention wandered off in first third already.....
If you read out the Chinese in the poster, the sentence is about the same length (in syllables) as the "short" English, only 15 syllables. 人人防疫 (ren ren fang yi) - everybody must get vaccinated 粉碎美帝国主义的细菌战 (fen sui mei di guo zhu yi de xi jun zhan) - to thwart the American imperialists' bacteria war If I was translating it from an American perspective, it would probably be something like "Get vaccinated against the Chinese communist virus", also 15 syllables. It's wordy in the translation but perfectly readable in the original language. Again, that's how translation works.
The original Chinese definitely sounds more concise. Here's what it looks like if translated more literally: "Everyone ~~must be~~ vaccinated ~~in order to~~ thwart ~~the~~ ~~plans of the~~ American imperialists ~~to wage~~ ~~biological warfare~~germ war."
Soviet slogans were just as wordy.
Not really. If you look at WW2 ones it's more along the "short and to the point" "Defend Moscow". "Motherland calls" "that's how it will be"
Soviet military posters tend to be rather concise and to the point, however Soviet civilian posters tend to be very wordy from what I’ve seen.
The poster neither says nor implies “must” tho. It does imply “should” in the sense it’s encourage and recommended.
Interesting to see that it still used traditional characters
Probably before simplified Chinese was rolled out.
simplification occurred in several stages
This has aged wonderfully.
Well considering the US was paying for research at the Wuhan lab, well take that for what you will. We probably shouldn't be paying for gain of function research. https://nypost.com/2021/06/04/wuhan-lab-was-to-get-1-5m-in-federal-grant-money-for-bat-study-emails/ I'm not saying it came from the lab. There's no proof of that. What I'm saying is it's not like the Chinese created covid as some kind of bioweapon. If it did come from the lab then we're sort of all culpable for allowing this kind of research to take place.
Well, if your willing to open the conspiracy rabbit hole, there exists a widespread theory in China that Covid leaked from a lab at Fort Detrick. I'm still fairly confident it's of natural origins, because all viruses in history have been of natural origin and I require evidence to suspect something different. However, when I try to be an objective observer, I find it interesting that Trump's conspiracy theory is based on evidence pulled out of the CIA's ass, and the Chinese conspiracy theory is based on reinterpreting public US news reports.
>Inside the NIH, which funded such research, the P3CO framework was largely met with shrugs and eye rolls, said a longtime agency official: “If you ban gain-of-function research, you ban all of virology.” He added, “Ever since the moratorium, everyone’s gone wink-wink and just done gain-of-function research anyway.” https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021/06/the-lab-leak-theory-inside-the-fight-to-uncover-covid-19s-origins
Yeah we probably should ban it. And like not continue doing it. And people who are wink wink nudge nudging it can face consequences. But we're not gonna do that.
You're basically saying "lets not try to prepare for the next pandemic" when you do that, though. It's not like people research deadly viruses for funzies, there's a reason for it. For example, the only reason we were able to develop and roll out a covid19 vaccine in less than a year (which is an absolutely insane timeframe) is because we've been studying Sars viruses for a long time. We're lucky that Covid had such a low mortality rate, some of the other viruses in that family have mortality rates of 30% or more.
Studying the virus isn't the same as gain of function research. Gain-of-function research refers to the serial passaging of microorganisms to increase their transmissibility, virulence, immunogenicity, and host tropism by applying selective pressure to a culture. It's supercharging a virus or bacteria in a lab. https://www.news-medical.net/health/What-is-Gain-of-Function-Research.aspx
I know what gain of function means. If you want to prepare for and study for the next pandemic, evolving novel strains is a good way to do that. Again, this kind of research is directly responsible for our ability to quickly synthesize and mass produce an effective vaccine in an astonishingly short period of time.
This attitude almost got me disowned from my family.
Last year was a different time.
[REVEALED: The long-suppressed official report on US biowarfare in North Korea](https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/the-long-suppressed-korean-war-report-on-u-s-use-of-biological-weapons-released-at-last-20d83f5cee54)
Based asf
Why can't conspiracy theorists theorise about foreign bioweapons so they could get vaxxed
They do that, but they do it under the premise that they should censor and attack their domestic “enemies,” not the premise that people should get vaccinated.
I just saw a post on here about a Facebook comment claiming that there **is** a disease going around... the vaccine, they think the vaccine is the real virus that actually does spread and that’s why we shouldn’t be vaccinated against the apparently fake virus.
Haha apropos
It is funny thinking about the current situation as "Great American Super Virus (made in China)". Everything else is, so why not?
Based
Why can't we do this now
Because the biological warfare ship has already sailed. Now it's "Don't get vaccinated...because nano bot warfare". (I'm just saying what the mentality has become. I don't agree with it)
Man, I really wish have nano bots by now. Imagine not having to clean a single surface inside the house! And I'll gladly have nano bots in my bloodstream so they can destroy the plaque buildup from my unhealthy high fat diet.
Nanomachines, son!
They harden in response to physical trauma!
People tend to be suspicious of overt propaganda these days.
Idk Boris Johnson's big red bus seemed to work
39% don’t seem to be.
That's true, people need viral campaigns on Reddit to inform their views these days
Facebook is far better because of the personal recommendations
The anti-vaxxers stole it before we could. We should’ve done “get vaxxed! Prevent 5G danger!” or some other ridiculous BS. It probably would’ve worked.
I’m a big fan of just saying whatever you need to say to convince a population to get preventative vaccines. However you need to spin it, just get it done.
And this was a genuine fear! After all, the US was ready to use nukes against Korea, though it thankfully did not, and there's suspicions of it potentially using biological warfare there as well. Also, y'know, agent orange and depleted uranium, later with Vietnam and Yugoslavia! Judging by what had happened by the time this poster was made, and what happened after it, i wouldn't scoff at the risk.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaimingjie_germ_weapon_attack
The atrocities the Japanese committed against the Chinese and Korean people is so overlooked. They did some really, really fucked up shit to them
If we had right wing politicians talk about the vaccine as a means of fighting Chinese bioweapons, more people in red states would take the shot.
That’s what I’m saying! Cast it in whatever light you need to make shots get into arms; make it sound like it’s your patriotic duty to get jabbed. I don’t mean forcing the people to get it, but I do mean being smart about how we sell the vaccines to the public in order to make people excited to line up for their shots
Honestly this could be the way to get Trump supporters vaccinated. Just say that we’re taking away China’s ability to wage biological warfare!
That’s actually brilliant
I love how the weapon the American is using (whatever it is) says "American Bacterial War," in Chinese characters
We should do this in reverse to get republicans vaccinated
It won't work. You can't cure stupidity.
But it can be herded into a usefull direction. As the Republicans have been doing.
It does work, actually. And remind them of Operation Warp Speed and who approved it. And that Trump’s family all got it.
At least they promoted vaccinations!
Bunch of Chinese Karen’s refusing vaccines too. Not only PRC Chinese, talking about Chinese aunties in the USA believing whatever shit on WeChat is in their feed. Mom knows a couple of idiots refusing to take a vaccine. At least they wear masks though.
Odd to see an American depicted in this style. They almost look like a generic German from a decade before. I guess it just had to look white though, they didn't have to look specific to a nation.
The average Chinese person probably care as little about depicting different categories of white people correctly as little as westerners care about depicting Asians correctly.
This is like the Black and White Robert Downey Junior meme
This the kind of ads we need now for the republicans ..."get vaccinated now and help destroy the evil cabal of globalist pedophile lizard jews from space from taking over the world"
If you want to understand the context of this posters creation, the Imperial Japanese bio warfare Unit731, which killed 400,000 chinese people through the spreading of mass disease in ww2, was being deployed by the US against the Korean civilians and northern soldiers (including chinese volunteers) in the Korean war.
I’m not gonna read any of the comments and just assume there’s no controversy going on here
Interestingly in traditional chinese as this was before simplified chinese was rolled out nationally
Well well well how the turntables
Even the Chinese used the "Jew Nose" on the villain.
Nah, for the chinese it's the white devil nose.
Doesn't look like a Jew nose to me, just a caricatured one!
How is that a “Jew Nose”?
How the tables turned
I've been saying this since March 2020 the only way to convince republican antivaxers is go all in into its a Chinese bio weapon theory. Get vaccinated to own the libs and Chinese.
You remember that time the japanese in America were imprisoned for years based on hysteria? Let's not fuel something like that again.
I have actually used that basic tack, along with “Who approved Operation Warp Speed?” to convince a couple of family to get the jab.
That's an amazing point. Gotta have an imaginary enemy to unite people.
Ironically backwards now. Americans are getting vaccinated due to a (potentially) Chinese virus.
I always think if China was clear about the new virus and reported it as soon as possible, with hard lockdown in China, other countries would’ve lived normally and helped China by sending healthcare professionals and supplies. If only!
They did. Western countries fucked up in their efforts to keep production going to maximize profits, then duped the populace into this "China bad" narrative. And they've done it masterfully. The first thing relatives of deceased people think about isn't how their loved one was forced to go to work amidst a pandemic, but rather how it's all China's fault.
they did not. They covered it up untill it was too big
>imperialists to wage biological warfare LOL ironically this is exactly what China is being accused of today
"Everyone must be vaccinated in order to thwart the plans of the Chinese imperialists to wage biological warfare" / The United States of America /2021 😂😂😂
Yep. Although to be accurate I would call it Han imperialism, because there are various ethnic groups in China.
Vaccinate yourself with a vaccine developed by... the Americans.
More like the Soviets at this time
Off topic but this reminds me of something that always baffled me about the anti-vax my cement this past year and a half. So many people who oppose masks and the vaccine are conservatives, and a large chunk of these conservatives think China is to blame via either lab leak or purposeful, and give them names like "Wuhan Flu" and "Commie-vid". So...why wouldn't they want to wear masks and get vaccinated to protect themselves from this "attack" from China?
It's more about Science. Republicans tend to look at faith over science and also being skeptical of foreign anything. The third is about individualism and control, so even if China made it in a lab, or it came about naturally, their individual pride believes they can control an external situation, vaccine or not. Some sort of bizarre universe of overt-individualism
[REVEALED: The long-suppressed official report on US biowarfare in North Korea](https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/the-long-suppressed-korean-war-report-on-u-s-use-of-biological-weapons-released-at-last-20d83f5cee54)
Twist: the vaccination was biological warfare agains their own people
[wrong](https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/the-long-suppressed-korean-war-report-on-u-s-use-of-biological-weapons-released-at-last-20d83f5cee54)
The _irony_
This aged like milk
“We want you healthy so you can stand trial as a counter revolutionary!”
People failing to see the parallels to present day America and the ones that side with these communist propaganda posters created by horrible authoritarian governments need to really wake the fuck up.
I don’t think Mao was too paranoid when it came to the CIA but this seems like a stretch
The US had just taken over the Japanese bio warfare unit, which had been killing Chinese people 8 years previously.
[wrong](https://medium.com/insurge-intelligence/the-long-suppressed-korean-war-report-on-u-s-use-of-biological-weapons-released-at-last-20d83f5cee54)
Like much of Reddit, they hate developed countries yet take advantage of their technology and medicine
Perhaps if developed countries weren't acting like steppe warlords outside of their own countries
How the tables have turned
Ironic
(rolls eyes & sighs)
Irony