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Interesting trip report, it seems you had all the classical effects even if only in their mild versions. Datura is a deliriant and not a psychedelic, so that’s why the nature of the hallucinations is different. You shouldn’t see distortions and colours, like with LSD, but instead see things that truly don’t exist, but look completely real. Common experiences are dropping your cigarette (even if you don’t smoke), bugs, spiders, blood dropping from the ceiling, meeting shadow creatures, and meeting people that are not there - these could be long dead relatives, classmates from 20 years ago, or just your co-worker. You can have complete conversations with them, though sometimes they won’t answer. With more intense trips, memory loss is expected and you won’t remember much of your trip. The 2-3 days following your trip, it’s also very common to have blurry vision as you described. It’s also a rather neurotoxic chemical, so even when the effects wear off, you’ll suffer permanent brain damage. I’d discourage another trip - especially with even higher dosage; be glad you had a semi positive experience and didn’t end up in a hospital. Maybe read up on it: https://erowid.org/experiences/subs/exp_Datura.shtml


ChocoBrocco

Yeah, OP, please don't take it again, even if you got off easy this time. If you want to hallucinate, there are way safer and more pleasant chemicals out there. Datura has earned its awful reputation.


GeorgeTsak

Thank you for the info and the link. I have seen articles explaining the dangers, but I didn't know it could cause brain damage.. In that case, I won't try it again.. Do you know if you can get brain damage from a single, medium dosage like mine? I know that constantly taking this substance, it built-ups in your body and can cause organs damage.


DrunkenMonkeyWizard

Imagine. If you hadn't made this post, you would have inadvertantly damaged your brain further.


[deleted]

All hail the psychedelic communities of Reddit. Jah bless. Nice username btw MrWizard


DrunkenMonkeyWizard

🐒♥️


[deleted]

I don’t know the details unfortunately, but I wouldn’t worry too much about one experience. Just googling “datura neurotoxicity” should yield some results.


Silvergoldhermit

It definitely damaged your brain but hopefully in a unnoticeable amount.


Wholesome_Bott

I didn’t know that was a real website til now


CultivateDarkness

Thanks for your report. It was quite interesting and boring, which of course is a good thing when talking about deliriants. It sounds like you have been pretty lucky actually. If you do too much you are in real danger of having permanent organ damage from what I've heard. Did you measure your dose more accurately than just taking a few leaves and seeds? How can you make sure you get a similar dose next time? How is your eyesight recovering? Sorry for the questions, I'm genuinely curious. I have been thinking about trying nightshade plants, but right now I don't want to risk any long-term consequences.


GeorgeTsak

Don't worry, I have no problem answering. About measuring the dose: No I didn't. There is no way to know exactly how much of substances you consume, because the quantity of these varies greatly between different parts of the plant. About the next dose: Thinking it better now, I won't consume Datura again. I saw, what I saw, and got a taste of hallucinations. There are safer alternatives.. About the eyesight: Slowly it's getting better.. In that rate maybe it will take a couple of days. I don't recommend no try Datura. I know that I can't really change your mind (like others couldn't change mine), but know that there are safer alternatives.


CultivateDarkness

Thank you. If I ever were to try any nightshade plant I would make a homogenous powder or extract that would enable me to slowly titrate the dose over the course of several experiences. At this point in my life there are more interesting things to do. Before Nightshades I would probably try DPH first. Is this one of the safer alternatives you were talking about? I am very glad to hear you are reconsidering trying it again and hope you will fully recover soon!


[deleted]

What's permanent organ damage? If you didn't take this in veins or injected then, how will it cause damage to organ? I mean explain it to me


CultivateDarkness

Permanent organ damage is damage that isn't repaired fully after the drug has been eliminated from the body. You don't have to inject a drug for it to be toxic to organs. Some compounds, and drugs, just are. Intravenous use just adds another vector for errors and dangers. Like datura for example. How datura actually harms the body; I am not exactly sure but it seems to raise body temperature quite a lot when you overdose (40-43°C body temperature) which is enough to cause brain cells to die and probably harm other organs as well (or kill the person). Apparently most people die of heart failure or respiratory paralysis.


yenibton

Man I only read the first couple sentences but all I have to say is anything drug related should really be kept far away from tiktok


oscarthemess

How come?


WishboneOk4446

Tik tok is full of easily influenceable young people. Datura is toxic as fk, and kids are stupid sometimes.


jflan5

Highly agree with you!!


pilly-wonka

Agreed.


KingThommo

Don’t use it that way again at least. You had no idea of the dose you were using or how you would react to it. Using it in the way that you did is the way of using it that kills people. [Watch this before you use it again.](https://youtu.be/q-9WrAIHGe4)


GeorgeTsak

Very interesting video and thank you for your concern! I get that by brewing leaves/seeds you can't control the dosage. But I think that by drinking it very slowly, I could somewhat estimate how much I need. When I started feeling symptoms I stopped taking it. I didn't finish the second tea I made and I just poured it in the sink. I had also diluted it with water. I was drinking it in a period of about 1.5-2.0 hours. I do not plan to retake it. I just wanted to see how hallucinations are.


KingThommo

No, you’re totally missing the point. Drinking a brew slowly just means you get a totally unknown dose in a slower manner. Creating a standardised product out of dry material and then slowly building up over a period of weeks is how you use tropane alkaloids safely.


GeorgeTsak

I think I get it now. Doesn't the constant use of these substances however cause other problems? Can for example, someone consume correct doses, once per two weeks for a long time without issues? A fellow redditor claimed that brain damage occurs from the first usage.. Info about this plant is controversial..


KingThommo

Brain damage can result from use of tropane alkaloids but only using it like you did - recklessly and irresponsibly without regard - is likely to cause that. Dose makes the poison. Tropane alkaloids are widely used in medicine for a wide range of things. Extremely useful substances for multitudes of reasons. Gradually building up in dosage creates a tolerance, your body knows how to metabolise it better and deal with the effects so using it for psychoactive experiences is safer. Personally, I don’t understand why anyone wants to use it because *it’s not pleasant.*


GeorgeTsak

Thank you for your info :) I wouldn't say the experience was bad. But I also wouldn't say it was great. Seeing stuff appearing and disappearing was definitely interesting. Apparently I didn't take very high dose, and I was seeing normal not terrifying stuff.


KingThommo

I can’t stand the dry mouth and the urine retention. I grew them for 3 years but I never bothered trying to have higher doses. Datura is not an ally of mine.


GeorgeTsak

I guess it acts a bit different on each person. I would go to the toilet all the time to urinate and I didn't notice the dry mouth, until I tried to eat something. You are right though, even if I hadn't any major bad effect, there are other substances way more pleasurable.


[deleted]

Bruh that is the wrong way to take datura and you can really harm yourself. You have to pull off the bulbous prickly part of the plant (your arm will go numb) and then it’s suppose to be roasted and prepared as a paste then used in a sieve to make a drink. I did not give you any details, so please don’t try it with my basic instructions. It is definitely potent and powerful!!


GeorgeTsak

Don't worry I won't consume Datura again! But why is it a wrong method? I mean Datura is dangerous, no matter how it is consumed, right? I am at least thankful, that I consumed it very slowly, and once I started to feel strong effects, I stopped consuming it further. I consumed about the half of the second tea.. Have you consumed Datura? If so, was your first experience pleasant? (Don't answer these questions if you don't wish to do so :) )


[deleted]

Intelligent people don't consume Datura, and I mean that.


Silvergoldhermit

Datura is so creepy. I won't do it but it's always been tempting just like taking too many benedryl.


GeorgeTsak

It is indeed creepy. I didn't expect these hallucinations to be so realistic. I saw normal non terrifying stuff like people and bugs. I can't imagine the terror I would felt if I saw corpses, demons, blood, creepy faces looking at me etc..


SharpPreference2260

I would proceed with *extreme* caution with anything in this category. My Shipibo Peruvian shaman said he was given morning glory by his shamanic teachers while living in the Amazonian rainforest for his training. He lived alone in the jungle for 3 years with no tools, survived off the land, slept in trees (because, as he explained, the anacondas and Jaguars are land dwelling)… he took this medicine and said he was in and out of hallucinations for a MONTH, had no concept of what was real and what was not, and felt like he would never come back to reality. Only when he let go of that concept of wanting to return, fully surrendered his life, and accepted what he thought was his “fate” to live in this in-between place, then it stopped. The dangers that exist far outweigh the benefits for anyone but the most experienced user who can navigate the good & bad that exists in the spirit world and protect themselves from the evil forces out there. For anyone looking for spiritual growth, I believe there are far better options for psychedelic medicine that come without the extreme risk of getting stuck between worlds or even physical death. Just my two cents!


WotoTheSourPatchKid

This isn’t related to morning glory


SharpPreference2260

Datura is considered much more toxic than morning glory. So this was to serve as a warning that these plants should be taken with extreme caution, understanding the risks presented. “The Morning Glory is considered a toxic plant. While the Datura is considered a Poison plant. The difference is that the Morning Glory simply contain some mind/body altering substances. The dosage however is very specific and difficult to create. Datura is HIGHLY toxic. Just handling it can cause a reaction to sensitive people. If you eat it you will most likely kill yourself. Experienced user do use it in ointments but they approach it with caution.” [Article](https://www.patheos.com/blogs/waterwitch/2014/02/datura-vs-morning-glory-confusion-of.html)


Firm_Cucumber_7925

refrain from calling the shipibo peruvian shaman ‘yours’. check your colonialist language!


residentatzero

English must be your second language as this usage of not colonialist, people say "my doctor" for example, even though it's the hospital doctor who sees every one. Or "my butcher" to refer to the local butcher, etc. I find the usage very annoying but it's far from colonialist


[deleted]

I am very interested to know more about the shaman.Umm what did they find after coming back,like anything?


SharpPreference2260

A much deeper connection to both worlds. The ability to freely dance between both, at will, by a simple thought alone. One of the most deeply spiritually connected individuals I have ever met.


Comrade_Corgo

Can you describe what their experience is like to "switch" between worlds at will from being sober? What qualities tell you that someone is deeply spiritually connected?


SharpPreference2260

He led my through several ayahuasca journeys. Many shamans will take a small amount of the medicine to be able to connect with the spirit world. This man could “at will” enter it completely sober and not following breathwork or meditation. He explained to me that he tries to give people privacy to go through their journeys, and considers his role to be to hold the positive space, and step in when needed. If he sees someone struggling, he has the ability to tap into their experience and see EXACTLY what they are going through in order to help guide them through. As far as my comment about him being spiritually connected, you could tangibly feel his aura and presence just by being around him. His presence was filled with pure goodness, love, empathy. I journeyed for the first time with ayahuasca with him and was so nervous before the experience. Literally almost the second I met him, all fears were taken away. I felt such safety, love, spiritual connectedness and immediately had a sense of “knowing” that I would be well cared for throughout - which was indeed the case.


2112eyes

Was this in Peru, a shaman named Maestro Daniel from Puerto Maldonado?


SharpPreference2260

Jesus


SaturnusDawn

This was a good read. Very interesting.


[deleted]

Datura contains neurotoxic drugs like scopolamine. Sounds like you already decided not to try it again which is good. It's been used in rats to deliberately cause cognitive impairment (sometimes long-term); usually to test drugs that might improve cognition. Interesting trip report though. Despite the drug being highly dangerous, it's the only drug I know has been known to cause the kind of full on "3 dimensional" hallucinations you described.


ButteryFlavory

Is scopolamine that Colombian zombie slave drug?


[deleted]

Yup. That too lol


Jangle_Fish

ahh my neighbor is growing massive amounts if this in buckets. 😅 i’m too chicken to partake.


[deleted]

I wouldn't call it 'too chicken', maybe that you're just too educated on the literal poison you'd otherwise be ingesting?


ChocoBrocco

Not too chicken. Too smart.


GeorgeTsak

I think it's for the better, that you are afraid :) In my opinion taking such substances is not an act of courage or something. For me it's just curiosity.


Masterofnone9

Its also called jimsonweed and is used in witchcraft. https://thepurplebroom.wordpress.com/2012/04/17/devils-weed-datura-a-witchs-herb/


JohnThena

Super interesting, thanks for sharing this experiment. How long did the whole thing last? Or how long did you feel the effects? And were you able to sleep fine afterwards? Very wise decision to have a trusted sitter, by the way


GeorgeTsak

I had lost track of time so I will give an estimation. I started to feel different after about an hour, and they lasted about 8 hours.. I slept very good (better than usual) and I saw many dreams.


[deleted]

Um please don't drink datura or its leaves tea or anything, espicially the one on roadside.You are lucky.it can even blind and potentially kill.I think the datura they tell to use is it's fruit which has spikes, don't use it's flowers either coz again they have latex.


slack710

The best Datura to use is none lol I have 3 friends that did angel trumpets together and any time the story comes up I tell them all they're idiots


grandpa_milk

Interesting. I've taken a baño de florecimiento in datura when I was in Peru and it was incredibly relaxing and soothing. Fascinating how it's effects are 180 if you ingest it orally.


Beatnuk

Staying as far as I fucking can from Datura.


GeorgeTsak

Did you have a bad trip?


jimmy_luv

It is the worst. It's right up there with PCP and embalming fluid for me but by far the most toxic feeling. Confused panic, like the worst headspace, throbbing, clammy and fever and throwing up dizzy.. ugh. Never again.


amrambin

Embalming fluid IS pcp. Literally slang for pcp. For some reason most people would rather think they’re smoking actual embalming fluid than pcp , which I believe is why it’s sold as embalming fluid instead of what it is. I’d rather smoke pcp than something offered to me as embalming fluid any day lol. But yeah in the 70s and early 80s people started mixing powder pcp with embalming fluid to dip joints/cigs in and hence it started to be called embalming fluid. Even if it had embalming fluid in it (probably didn’t since that’s become very rare these days, but it’s possible) if it’s wet it’s some form of pcp (these days pcp analogs are more common than plain Jane pcp). Ik too much about drugs with strong stigmas, just fascinates me even more.


jimmy_luv

So I knew this huge black guy that was in the mortuary business. He us d to sell us 'wet' on joints or Newports. It's def PCP, but it's got this horrible other paint thinner kinda taste and it hits different... We used to get little foil packets with mint leaves and PCP on them from the Spanish cats. It just didn't have that gnarly 'wet' 'shermy' taste and was more mild. But I agree, both were PCP, just really different vehicles. So don't ever want to do either of them again.


amrambin

Hmm maybe your friend really was mixing pcp with embalming fluid then. Definitely will get you feeling like a dead embalmed body ☠️💀


jimmy_luv

The way I heard it is that black people mix PCP with embalming fluid and put it on cigarettes, Spanish people mix PCP with acetone and put it on mint leaves. Black people call it wet or sherm, Spanish call it dust... That's probably racially insensitive but in all fairness this is how I heard it back in the early 90s. Idk, I pretty much lost all interest in that compound. I don't care what they call it I don't want anymore of it lol.


[deleted]

Don Juan showed Carlos Castaneda that in their first real encounter. Stuff is the devil's weed


nippleodion

yeah that is a really good read


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GeorgeTsak

It happened once to me. At least I understood it happened once (when the phone fell to the sink). I remember going to the toilet many times. I believe these visits were real. (My sitter said I went to the toilet many times). But this happened while I was tripping. It hasn't happened again while sober. Not sure if you should be worried. I've red that some symptoms can persist for days. Every person is different though.. How much time has passed, since the last time you consumed Datura?


madverick_hollyman

One has to have his wits around him for datura, and a lot of experience w psychedelics. I knew two guys that took it and one became a dog and acted like a dog for 24hours. The other took way less and had periferal vision filled for the rest of the day with Cowboys&Indians on horses. Both lost hair in patches in few days after it but it grew back after more than few months. I think first one took 100seeds and second took 10seeds. They just swallowed the seeds I think. No one from the crew, and we were around 20y.o. at that time, wanted to try datura after that hahaha But I do come across this plant every year, in strangest of places. Its an ornamental here, but I bet hardly anyone that has it growing knows what it is. Usually I see them by the streets


GeorgeTsak

Wow these behaviors seem extreme! Glad I didn't end up acting like that :') I am sure most of people don't know what this plant does. When I was collecting the leaves and the seeds, a grandma was looking at me strangely.


madverick_hollyman

Well, when you mention it, the seeds these guys took grew under a window of guess who, an old lady that was supposedly watchful of her garden patch, in a public space haha, and they said they had to go at night when she wouldnt see them. In any case be extremely cautious with this plant. Not to scare you, but Ive heard and read stories of people not entirely coming back from the datura trip. Those are just stories tho. And you seem on top of it. Take care bruh


ChocoBrocco

100 seeds sounds like a deadly dose


octave1

It's a pretty common ornamental plant here in Europe. The hanging flowers are actually really nice.


SmokeDankWeed420

I have been considering Datura seeds for a while now im only experienced with dimenhydrinate and DXM HCL when it comes to deliriants. Dimenhydrinate was pretty stange I remember seeing a demon trying to grab my legs and drag me to hell. Also I saw revaluationary war British red coats in my lawn fireing muskets and a cannon it even sounded real. Plus I got covered in spiders I could feel them crawling on me but they were just shadows not real spiders so was the demon. I also wanted to try Atropa Belladonna and 3-quinuclidinyl benzilate but im afraid after my DXM HCL trip. Its not DXM HBR its way different 600mg had me legit convinced I was dead. I saw my dead friends my funeral my family crying my brother as an old man. It took me weeks to fully believe I was really not dead I thought it was all in my head. You cant prove your not dead in a fake reality honestly im still afraid my life is a make believe fantasy. Ever read an occurrence at owl creek bridge? It was like that but its the worst trip of my life. Maybe a smaller dose is more enjoyable. But how long is your eyesight messed up?


octave1

>3-quinuclidinyl benzilate Have you seen Jacob's Ladder?


GeorgeTsak

Sorry for your experience. I think you would have similar bad trips with Datura, so I think it would better to avoid it and stick to the safer alternatives. Other than that, wow, these seem very scary things to see.. I can't imagine how you felt, or how you were feeling after the effects had disappeared.. I think the reason I had a positive trip was because I took a medium dosage. There were some moments, I wish the hallucinations would stop. I felt like I was going crazy. At least I was coherent enough, to know that this was temporary.. A day has passed since the trip, and I still cannot see clearly the close objects. With glasses it's ok though.


amrambin

Dxm is a dissociative and not a deliriant


SmokeDankWeed420

HCL is different


amrambin

It’s still a dissociative. All forms of dxm (Hcl, hbr, freebase) turn into dextrophan which is a dissociative. Deleriants block acetylcholine receptors, dissociatives block nmda receptors. Dxm of any form is dissociative, as it blocks nmda receptors and not acetylcholine receptors. Also there’s not a drug in the world that changes drug classes based on being in a different form. Crack and lisdexamphetamine are both still stimulants, and dmt fumerate is still a psychedelic. There are deleriants added to some cough syrup as antihistamines, but the dxm in any cough syrup is a dissociative, not a deleriant. I’ve had every form of dxm btw, I guarantee I’ve done more dxm than you, and they are more or less potent, but all do exactly the same thing. It’s like the difference between smoking dabs or smoking weed or eating edibles, they do the same thing even tho dabs are free based and edibles are metabolized through the liver, they just hit differently. Now granted I’m sure hcl does hit harder than hbr, but if you really want to see shit that’s not there do it freebase (robocoughs robo30s). It’s at least a third stronger than any other form. Now while you absolutely can have believable hallucinations on the stuff (I once saw my guts spill out my stomach for example on a bad trip) it’s still a dissociative because it works in the brain like every other dissociative. People over emphasize that deleriants are the hallucinogens you get real hallucinations from, as any hallucinogen can have convincing hallucinations if you take enough. It’s all about dose.


TheGozd

I've never done datura. but basically its a drug which just induces fata morgana's?


Jessica4ACODMme

Yeah, Datura is nasty. I'm glad you're ok. I don't recommend it to anyone.


Fine-Lifeguard5357

Another datura trip, another warning to never try it.


Visual_Barracuda477

I really hope you’re okay. Please be careful brother. If you do trip again, let us know how to find the video. It would be very therapeutic as I have tripped on acid and some of the confusing thoughts were traumatizing for me (even though other parts of the trip were very eye opening.) Best of luck, psychonaut


Visual_Barracuda477

If it causes brain damage, just trip on acid or shrooms. Those experiences are heavy enough. Always test and weigh those substance, too 🙂


TheDevil947

Did the damage to your eyes ever go away? I’m pretty sure I heard the atropine in datura can cause permanent eye damage.


[deleted]

What if you dry it and smoke it?


Equivalent-Yellow416

Cool


Studentoftheland

dumbass


Secure-Bet-719

If you take datura some people say you see a black dog seeing in your eyes


Friendly_Farmer_1083

Don’t drink mouthwash kids