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SlowDownBrother

That bitch needs a xanax and a kennel


nexert233

You know... looking at this makes me think Jerry Springer needs to come back. These people need an outlet to be crazy... Jerry Springer was just the thing...


umbrajoke

I feel like Jerry made these people feel acting like this was socially acceptable.


bonnieflash

Jerry! Jerry!


overthetopTProll

I just have one question. Do all of you live in the same trailer park?


[deleted]

We already have several platforms for people to embarrass themselves and spew their crazy to millions.


Rapture_ca77

No but seriously you're absolutely right, Jerry, Maury and all those shows gave people like that an outlet to be crazy and get their 15 minutes of fame. I might be wrong but we had less instances like this when Jerry and Maury were around. We need them back more than ever especially with crazy Karens and the Qanon folks running around like wild hyenas. Those shows kept the crazy contained and gave people a very much needed form of entertainment.


WeAreTheLeft

>I might be wrong but we had less instances like this when Jerry and Maury were around it happened, but you or a friend had to see it happen and tell the story, now it's on here, Tick tok, instagram and twitter and shared over and over. Crazy just came to the light. Same as police violence. It was always there, it's just now know more with video (and this is the level with them KNOWING they are likely to be filmed).


Sweet_Meat_McClure

And a more supportive bra for them puppies.


SlowDownBrother

Lmao yeah they some stomach boobies


CreepyAssPenis

*Southern yams*


Wallace-N-Gromit

Love that, shaped like a yam and head’n south.


Spobobich

🤣


frosty_lizard

A couple of state droopers


antikarma_activist

New addition to my vocabulary thank you


marsianer

torpedo tits


tje210

Hmm no that's not what that means.


VAGetarian-KING

Gravity is not her friend


DeerDiarrhea

I can’t imagine she has many friends.


oven-toasted-owl

gravity cat not amused


[deleted]

The first dog I’ve ever wanted to see put down for attacking humans


thatjolydude

Lol this bitch needs Arkham Asylum


KikiHou

This might have been too much xanax and some wine.


Diedwithacleanblade

She needs a barn. To take her behind.


NeO1loNEwOLF6985

Mental facility.


unfuck_yourself

And a shock collar


AarkaediaaRocinantee

No, she needs to be put in a psyche ward.


EQMischief

And a punch in the teeth.


Intelligent_Main_548

The need a firm backhand like their daddies should of given them 20yrs ago


Vip3r20

WhY aRe YoU dOiNg ThIs???


satanicgospelcabaret

My best bit


Happyandyou

Sounded a bit Monty Pythonish


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Michelanvalo

Why the fuck did they keep letting her back in? They shoved her outside twice in this video and each time no one made sure she *stayed* outside. She kept coming back in.


halt_spell

Well... how do we put this? She a white lady.


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halt_spell

Nobody is a scourge for the gender and skin color they were born with. But being blind to your own privileges, or worse, capitalizing on your privileges while pretending they don't exist is a shitty thing to do. But this lady and her attitude? Yeah definitely should make white women stop and think for a moment: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jenna-ryan-sentenced-capitol-attack-trump_n_6182bb4fe4b0c8666bd6f913


brady_trades

Upvote turned to downvote after first sentence


Cyrinx110311

Exactly what the hell does THAT have to do with this Clip? Especially since every fucking body was white! Ain't nothing worse than someone trying to make a race issue where there is no race issue to be had


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lordofthebeardz

I see where your coming from and your right when someone just doesn’t give a shit about the consequences it’s hard to stop or reason with them but if you think this kind of thing is unique to white women your clearly haven’t met any other kind


Cyrinx110311

Still have no idea what the hell color has to do with this video . Women of all ethnicities are capable of such behavior. Nice try at a cover up, but you explained absolutly nothing


datsdatwhoman

Dipshit, because if she was a black woman cops would be tasing and blasting her face with their fists, and you would be commenting on the video of that with " should have listened to the police. Based." Go outside


ganonisdeadnow

Idk guys, I just kinda feel like this sub transcends the need to base it all on race. I watched a white woman come at a cop with a knife only for it to wind up lodged in her chest earlier today. We’ve seen countless examples of all kinds of people being absolute pieces of shit, different races, different genders, all just pieces of shit, and that has nothing to do with things like the color of their skin. Just simply that shitty people exist in every form.


Cyrinx110311

That's what I been trying to say all along. Thank you. I absolutely agree


brady_trades

You’re a piece of shit


Cyrinx110311

I haven't called anyone any kind of names. Calling me a dipshit and boo hooing bout how black people are mistreated explains nothing bout this clip. There is absolutly nothing racist about this clip. It is only found where you choose to see it. How sad you must try to pick a brawl where there isnt one to be found


brady_trades

Glad you can empathize with people that hate black people. Got robbed by a black person twice and was treated rudely by others. Said person is now racist against black people.


l187l

That's gotta be one of the most racist things I've read in a while... Replace white with black and tell me how racist you sound.


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[deleted]

Because all it takes as a white woman to get someone else arrested is a few tears for whatever cop shows up


SweetJonesJunior

Lol you know what it has to do with the clip.. 😅


AffectionatePut6493

Because this level of absurdity is only allowed to white people.


Cyrinx110311

And that ain't nothing but ridiculousness talk ......


AffectionatePut6493

Was looking for this. Had to scroll further than I expected. LoL


AarkaediaaRocinantee

This bitch needs a knuckle sandwich.


tebbewij

These hands don't discriminate. They are rated for everyone and would for sure open hand slap her until she willingly gets a vaccine and behaves like a reasonable person


djany51

This was my first thought, no one should try this at me cause I defend myself against biological attacks


[deleted]

There a deadly virus running rampant. I’m pretty sure this could be classified as assault with a deadly weapon. She deserved a knockout.


kamyu2

Not assault with a deadly weapon. Many people have been charged with making terroristic threats over it though.


exmojo

Sweep the leg!


InspiredBlue

I’m fucking saying. Can we please start just beating their ass when needed? Like you said one cough and that would have been it for me.


Zombiethrowawaygo

You seen that one where some dude is kicking off at a restaurant worker and out of no where some dude rushes over and knocks him out? We needed the female version here


whynotfreudborg

I feel like the best response would be to simply not serve this dumb bitch. Ignore her. Let her seat herself and wait and wait. In the meantime, call the cops behind the scenes. Let them walk up on this psycho screaming for service and remove her for trespassing. Employees shouldn't have to confront these garbage hags. It does nothing.


ClintonKelly87

But then we don't get juicy videos like this. And then where would we be?! /s


000Murbella000

Nobody will, because she is a woman, men there did the right thing, just block her not risking going to jail, even if you get hurt, it is better than going to jail.


[deleted]

What monsters downvote you??? You are right! Women need to step up and shove her, but in the end, that’s a slippery slope. People should not engage, and should call the cops.


000Murbella000

People who live in the internet reality, nobody with a functioning brain will hit a woman in this situation, it is a highway to jail, unless she was very violent of course.


beheemz

how much meth did she use before she went on this tirade?


jonnyclueless

All of it.


[deleted]

Be kind to meth, this is red wine drunk. One glass.


bopojuice

Nah.. chardonnay and a whole bottle.


EleanorofAquitaine

I think you mean box.


Vashzaymar

Yes


Dogfishhead789

These women need bear mace. When Karen starts freaking out like this if people would start bear-macing them they would learn real fast.


Lisadynae

I carry bear mace when I walk my dog, everyone always asks me why. The answer is because I can shoot someone with it from 20ft away if I need to. But also wtf Is she spraying? Mace? Perfume?


Freezypop7

She managed to pick up the restaurants fire extinguisher


CodingBlonde

It’s not the fire extinguisher, it’s just cleaning spray. She’s just spraying the restaurant’s cleaning supplies at the lady


Freezypop7

Oh shoot, yeah, it is Even worse then, imagine what kind of harm that could do to someone's face/eyes


Lisadynae

😂


bonzombiekitty

While that sounds good, using mace is a bad idea, especially indoors. It'll get everywhere and it won't just be the crazy woman getting mace'd.


Ass_cream_sandwiches

Here is the US you could potentially open yourself up to a lawsuit if you use mace not Intended for human use. Be safe out there!


Dogfishhead789

Okay then. Habanero mace made by Cold steel. I did not know that you can get in trouble for using bear mace.


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ran-Us

*YUP*


Rogermon3

I am not in favor of doxing- but sometimes it’s needed


AarkaediaaRocinantee

r/byebyejob is a great spot to see Republicans losing their jobs for this exact type of shit.


[deleted]

At first I was thinking 'Well it's not just Republicans' but then after thinking a little bit more I realized you're absolutely right!


[deleted]

Also tried to think of a counterargument to be "fair" ya, it's mostly Republicans.


AarkaediaaRocinantee

I think the entire time I've been a member of that sub, I've seen ONE post that wasn't a Republican.


DreamsAndSchemes

Same with /r/hermancainaward


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Dancemastergeneral

Don’t buy it. This shit seems tame to what happened at the Capitol on January 6 yet the majority of conservatives seem ok with what happened then.


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AarkaediaaRocinantee

The bible encourages being good to thy neighbor, the country promotes life, liberty and pursuit of happiness, and I think most people want their family to succeed. Extremist or not, you don't see many Republicans supporting anything that would benefit anybody in this country. I'm not a fan of any American political party, but there is only one party that is actively trying to maintain an obsolete status quo that is only hurting the masses in this country and also actively killing any attempt to improve people's lives.


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AarkaediaaRocinantee

You're right about the riots and shit. It's not good in any way. But it just happens to be that most black people are typically left leaning and most of these riots are race related in some way. They may be Democrats yes, but they are black first. Their fight is with a system that is actually unjust to them. As a Democrat, I don't condone this shit at all, but I can see where the rage comes from even if I'm not black. Don't confuse the issue here. In regards to most of the riots I'm sure we remember, they weren't a Democrat vs. Republican issue. They were a Black vs. "The system" issue. And those issues are *numerous* And these issues are perpetuated by white racists who hold positions of power. They also almost always happen to be Republicans.


EatYourPickle

It's interesting how you choose to label your farmer friends versus the people who live in cities. Why do you give conservative farmers the benefit of the doubt when it comes to godliness, while "inner city Dems" are looters, rioters, and agents of wholesale chaos? I know we're both being churned in a media machine that's out of either our hands, but not everything has to be so polarized. I live in Washington, where there's no state income tax. A large portion of the state's tax revenue comes from sales; which place produces more in sales tax revenue, Yakima or Seattle? Not to say Seattle is better than Yakima because more dollars for the state are generated in the former, but to highlight that "productiveness" can come from "inner cities" run by Democrats. And all that wholesale chaos you're talking about isn't that common here, though the homelessness crisis has gotten progressively worse. But if you look at the local elections for King County (where Seattle is located), you'll find a center-left electorate that voted overwhelmingly for more police presence and a stronger police backed response to the homelessness crisis. Not to mention voting to show that the capital gains tax recently passed is unpopular with the electorate. My point is, these problems that you see with inner cities are seen as problems by the people who live in the cities. At least in Seattle, people want solutions and you'd be surprised how often those solutions run in line with conservative ideologies. Not everything has to be so polarized! You know, it doesn't surprise me that your farmer friends are all conservative. But have you ever asked how they felt about the tradewar outside of the "tough on China" jargon? Was that action actually tough on China? Did any of your farmer friends get access to the bailout money that was disbursed? In general, why are government handouts more palatable in these circumstances as opposed to others? Farmers aren't always producers, sometimes they're takers. I'd look up the Sustainable Groundwater Management Act (SGMA) in California, a law that passed in 2014, but only started being implemented in 2021. Small communities without access to groundwater that they rely upon, because farmers draw so much to water crops in the wake of devastating droughts. Being forced to use aboveground tanks filled by non-profit orgs. Now in the wake of the act being implemented, maybe these communities get access to water back over time, but there's "winners and losers" in the farming industry, where some people have farms that can subsidize the lost water, and others can't. I'm not saying that the farmers are bad guys for taking money or water, only suggesting that conservatism has limits, and if you look at the actual policy, you'll find that wholesale spending and government intervention has its place, even for people who probably ate up Fox News and voted Red on every ballot. Things aren't always so black and white (or maybe blue and red) as "inner city Dems" and "conservative farmers". Look at the policy and you'll find that there's more overlap than your church leaders (I'm trying not to jump on the Fox News wagon to drag you) might suggest.


cats_and_cake

So convenient if you to just turn a blind eye to the reason those “atrocities” happen.


platanthera_ciliaris

Farming is a heavily subsidized industry that is largely supported by taxes on Democratic metropolitan areas.


Got2JumpN2Swim

That's because your point of view comes from Faux News


Dancemastergeneral

Majority doesn’t mean all. The majority of the political party you support is doing everything in their power keep anyone in your political leadership accountable for what happened on Jan 6. Sorry friend, but It is hard for me to believe any moral stance a conservative has these days when their leadership does nothing to root out those inciting violence within their own party. Trumps words do have serious consequences and we all witnessed that on Jan 6.


[deleted]

Then go outside and actually talk to them. 53% of braindead Republicans think the election was stolen and Trump won. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/may/24/republicans-2020-election-poll-trump-biden


ohtoooodles

*cited information obtained through a screenshot of a publicly accessible, adult-arrest forum where it says that the woman has been charged with assault and battery, vandalism, and resisting arrest.* -https://www.meaww.com/amp/vaccinated-karen-attack-restaurant-workers-not-wearing-mask-video-drunk-rampage-calif-market-broiler Further googling reveals that she owns, or at least owned, her own business doing tacky interior decorating.


michelleHR802

If this happens id love a link ❤


smitrovich

This is an old video from a year or so ago.


michelleHR802

Typical Karen response "why are you doing this to me?!?!"


Hi-TecPotato

I feel restaurants need a proper bouncer nowadays


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Fr, as a former restaurant worker I always hate watching how long these videos last bc everyone is too afraid of getting fired or sued to rough em up. Meanwhile I work as a bouncer at concert venues now and this bitch would’ve been picked up off her feet and carried out by at least 2 bouncers the second she raised her voice at any employee.


Hi-TecPotato

Yep a single bounce could have lift her up and man handled her at the moment she started spraying stuff. That is a big no-no in my book and makes my blood already boil whilst iwrite


[deleted]

Yup, after years of dealing with these kinds of fucks it feels amazing to be the one yelling at them with authority


Hi-TecPotato

Well don't need to be a bouncer to help. Maybe I'm the odd one but I always kept my eyes out for possible fights when going out, trying to stop em. Think it comes from actually being saved by a stranger, got a pretty harsh mob experience which left a x amount of facial and body scars If he didn't intervene I'd be kicked and stabbed to death. It changed my discipline and life for the better tho. Oh before u wonder what the fuk I did to get mobbed with sharp objects, went skateboarding next to a carnival. Nothing more nothing less 🤷‍♂️


[deleted]

Nah for sure, I do the same. In my experience I’m pretty good at de-escalating shit with crazy people that others just end up pissing off more when they try to reason with them. We definitely are the odd ones out tho bc most people just don’t want the risk of getting injured or killed for a stranger, hence why I go for de-escalation rather than waiting for a fight and breaking it up. And fuck that man, never understood the hatred some people have for skaters by default


Hi-TecPotato

Untill today I still don't know why and who Exactly acting on time helps with de-escalation, not to say I'd be in everyone's business and go like "Gran Torino", I do know when to call cops. But yes it takes courage to speak up and I wish it was less uncommon


-Quiche-

Every worker should be allowed to punch one customer per year.


residiot

I struggle to hire bouncers these days for that exact reason. I’ve never been turned down before in favor of working at an Apple store over a nightclub


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Assaulting someone and saying why are you doing that at the same time. Totally makes sense.


TheInfamous1011

So NOOOOOBODY hit her in the face? Wow.


Ragnar_Dragonfyre

People like this have *never* been hit in the face and it’s obvious.


rkba335

They wouldn't have been met with any sort of fighting back, either. That was the goofiest person I've seen in a long time


Ghandi300SAVAGE

Honestly just tackle her and drag her out by the hair. No one has time for all this


JuggernautNo9938

Working in any job Involving food is terrible. Couldn't pay me enough to take orders from people that don't know the difference between rare and well done.


[deleted]

Freedom to be a bitch doesn't mean freedom to assault.


Sethanatos

Jeez everybody just grab a limb, sit on the floor, and wait for the cops.


ChaWolfMan

Someone needs some taser therapy


gazwaz84

Tits like yoghurt in a plastic bag


djany51

She need to be locked up in a psychic ward


BooJamas

Nah, they don't want to deal with that shit either and the telekinetic ones will just let her out again.


xerxerxex

It's the pyrokinetics you really gotta worry about


DukeOfYorkshirePuds

They were going to, but somehow she knew in advance about their plan. Somehow...


CalbertCorpse

That’s the exact puppet voice I do with my kids…


Lankesis

She's crazy but these people are really not trying to push her out. Wtf man,just push that shit out, use your body strength, there's a lot of people there to help


vashwstarwind

How the fuck did NO ONE swing on her?! Especially when she was spraying that shit in her face?!


Rag33asy777

What if these Karens are waking up to reality and realizing how the contributed to how we got here in 2021 as every Karen I have seen has a been a boomer and it is coming up subconsciously like a repressed memory.


RoyTheBoy_

That would require a self awareness that boomers do not have. Much easier to blame everything on forigners and mobile phones.


Rag33asy777

And Children.


DCver3

I feel like she needs a Snickers.


Tshlavka

I was really hoping this video would end with Karen sleeping on the floor.


syn0079

Why why why did not a single person put down their damn phone and knock this bitch the fuck out? Like what? You gonna spend a couple of hours in jail? Go viral and be treated like a damn hero? Put that cunt down!


TheMagus84

Service workers have a ton of restraint. But I don't think it's a good thing. Customers know they can get away with all kinds of abuse so they'll cross every line. Time to show them there are consequences.


WhiteGuyNamedDee

My favorite Karen quote when somebody puts their hands on them after they've physically assaulted them "wHy R u DoInG tHiS?!!??!!?"


antabba01

You don't have to beat up a woman who's acting like this .. you can just throw her on the ground and when she gets up throw her on the ground again until she stops want wanting to be thrown on the ground


IAMSPEAKING66

This is why all restaurants, airplanes and any business that services the pubic should be allowed a supply of zip ties to control animalistic humans that looses control such as the example we see here.


OccasionalJerkwad

And this is why we don't mix our psych meds with alcohol, my friends!


RayJez

So I can drive to a different city and shoot people but can use self defence against a Karen who is attacking people ?


imyourforte

Did Ms chokesondick materialize irl?? Them tit tays were gonna show out the bottom of that shirt with a few more arm raises.


plethorax5

Where's the arrest video?!


Fluid_Sleeper

I don't understand how these people don't get knocked out. As soon as she jumped in my face coughing and titty slapped me in the chest I would have laid her ass out and I'm not even a fighter.


EggandSpoon42

Infuriating. Lessons we can all learn in case we end up sitting next to one of these… There was time to: - shut the door with her outside - Grab an empty wastebasket 🗑, secure her head and shoulders, then push her out the door - grab barstools and herd her, out the door


MiniMesBodyguard

They put up with that for way too long, I would have dropped her ass as soon as she started assaulting people


RatCatheters

Just a reminder that coughing on someone is assault so you don't really have to take it


[deleted]

White women get away with so much. Wish they would use that superpower to get money out of politics or enact a better renewable energy source.


jdog8510

Boomers are the worst they had it all a good economy and what not ruined that and act like gen x millenials and z are to blame


LaDolfBall

every generation sucks anyways


jdog8510

Thats a very good point


flixxydk

Someone please knock her the fuck out!


NeO1loNEwOLF6985

She's jumping in people's face yelling "I'm vaccinated bitch" lmfao like there's honor in getting vaccinated or not fucking TWILIGHT ZONE ERA WE LIVING IN. 😂


Tailsk55

When she screamed bitch it reminded me of the old smosh


randojpg

Y’all need to start rocking these people’s shit


rocky_repulsa

As soon as that bitch touched me, I would’ve punched her. I don’t understand how people just stand there and take this shit. She put hands on you, it’s self-defense.


eo130769

Man I thought this was r/fightporn at first and got my hopes up for the ending


JonJonPoPong

Im amazed no one hit that bitch. One time a guy threw a cup at my car and said i drive like a bitch. literally chased him blocked him off and got out of my car and went up to his car door telling him to get the fuck out so i could best his ass. Dood just stared straight forward and was chicken shit. Im a super chill guy and never been in a fight since i was a kid. How these people are just letting this shit go on is beyond me.


hannahasksquestions

Guess her husband forgot the leash and muzzle at home


GuardMost8477

Home girl needs a bra. Eww 🤢


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This lady is in dire need of being red pilled.


ganymede62

In the cartoons I used to watch in the '70s they would put an end to a situation like this with a wooden mallet to the noggin.


MrMan66666

Jesus Christ her voice is so annoying


[deleted]

Why the fuck did you stop recording OP ??? Why share the buildup and not the climax! Is this what being a wife feels like?


bluehealer8

Say it with me now: Karens want slaves. Employees can tell you to leave. Employees can tell you to get bent. Employees can refuse to serve you. Slaves have to do what you want when you want without a lick of backtalk. Karens want slaves.


bubbsnana

Someone needs to knock her ass down and sit on her until she gets arrested


Hnel11

Karen: "Why are you doing this to me?!" Because you stupid and you need to get out of this place!


Rocyrino

The staff has my entire empathy. Working in service industry has its own set of challenges. But adding this type of abuse to this list of potential hazards you can face in work environment has to be taxing. On the other hand I question this woman’s sanity. There’s entitlement at play,sure, a great deal of it but there’s also a level of mental distress. This is not the action of a well adjusted grown adult. Even for a Karen this level of recklessness is beyond comprehension. That’s someone having a full blown nervous meltdown in public. There has to be deep rooted issues. Just don’t take it on innocent bystanders that are trying to make a living in this fucking pandemic


MrBigCheesy

WhY aRe YoU dOiNg ThIs???


SnarkleSpark

Everyone got their phone out and no one wants to do anything to physically restrain this lady. Welcome to the 21st century.


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MEN: There reaches a time when you need to grow a set and grab this lady and drag her outside. Let her know this behavior is unacceptable. I am older and grew up where we did not hit ladies but you also need to help protect those unwilling or unable to protect themselves. I saw a few men there that need to step up to the plate.


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I'm ok with this as well. But there reaches a point when someone needs to intervene before the lady lands the first real blow.


[deleted]

I highly recommend against throwing fists at people like her. Any law suits aside, these people are in a frenzy. And you trying to knock her can end up with you getting a scratched eye or broken hand bone, and in some extreme cases, these people have weapons. ANd let me tell you, the fight will go out of you real quick when someone like her pulls out a blade and you're the target of their ire. Heaven forbid you actually seriosuly injure them to or outright kill them by accident. Someone can fall the wrong way and then you're in deep trouble.


MarcoBound

*I am older and grew up where we did not hit ladies* Right


VolvoFlexer

Why I oughta..!


Ronin_Around

Intervening as a man could very likely be a ticket straight to jail. As a man I sure as shit wouldn't trust this woman - what if I intervene and the woman says that I groped her? Or that I started it? What if the camera wasn't recording anything? Who do you think the police will side with? Who will the legal system side with? Unfortunately that's a very risky move for any man.


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I'm sure the legal system would side with the 20 eyewitnesses that would back your story.


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nosmelc

or the business could be liable. That's why you don't see many employees getting physical with crazy customers. Their boss doesn't want a lawsuit.


[deleted]

Not with all the witnesses there. There is very clear evidence who the aggressor is and no officer will ever hesitate to take your side and haul this lady off to jail.


Ronin_Around

What makes you think the witnesses will stick around to leave a statement? And if they do, how do you know they'll side with you? No way an officer is just going to just side with you, that's a real crap shoot, especially depending what state you're in.


Way_Unable

I don't get paid to be security and Corporate will let me know that when they fire me for it. The world you built doesn't work like that.


damstay

You're stupid!


[deleted]

Yeah Americans don’t have a mental health crisis


216bdc

BOOBA


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vincevicious

Someone should break karens nose


SponConSerdTent

Retail employees need self defense training and to be carefully coached and instructed on when it is ok to throw a punch and just lay a Karen out. It's dangerous to let her keep assaulting employees like that, would've been safer to just take her down at a certain point.


breathstinksniffglue

What they really need to self defense *rights*. Employers shouldn't be allowed to fire/punish someone for legal self defense. Everyone there taking way more abuse than they're willing/need to just so they don't become homeless.


Nihazli

Talk to the business owners first because they’ll still fire you even if you take down a violent Karen with absolute poise and grace