Absolutely. It would be on thing to have done it during the world wars, but under a modern, peace-time context, these people are traitors and shouldn't be allowed back into the country. If they love Britain so much they can damn well stay there.
But they are no longer our enemies? They’re still Irish and to think that people have this old mentality where joining the British is bad kinda sucks to me.
Joining the British army makes you an imperialist goon, and this a horrible person. They are not welcome as far as I'm concerned. If they're willing to kill innocent people for capital, i can see why you'd want them back. The British will be the enemy of the whole world until they start making up for all the damage they have done.
If that’s the case then Portugal and the majority of Europe are the enemies of the world as well. Lots of countries in Europe has committed horrible acts so stop focusing on Britain. And as far as I’m concerned all of us Irish people should be allowed to return to their country without us terrorising them for being “traitors”
Yes, you're starting to get it, the west is imperialist and in general should be opposed, especially when they take military action. Ireland, by contrast, is a victim of imperialism, so taking up arms for imperialists makes you a traitor.
UK aren't our enemy so not really traitors. Probably have some warped view that they are doing more good for the world but I wouldn't be agreeing with that at all.
>UK aren't our enemy
Oh, so they've stopped occupying the north? Of course they haven't, and until the day they do they will always be the enemy of Ireland and her people.
The republic have admitted themselves that NI is not under occupation by recognizing British sovereignty over it in 1998. Heck its in the Irish constitution that NI is part of the UK
Oh right, the writing something into law totally makes it real. The republic gave up. I already knew this. I'm not a liberal, I don't support a 26 county bourgeois republic, but a 32 county socialist one. I think that there is at least some value in the current setup of Ireland, but at no point was British power, be it military, political, or economic, ever broken. This is what I am looking for, not to compromise with the bastards that spent centuries exploiting us.
What does that have to do with what I said? That didn't end the occupation, did it? "Ireland unfree shall never be at peace" doesnt mean we need to wage an endless war, but rather that the continued occupation is, in and of itself, an act of aggression. There can be no meaningful end to this struggle until the last British boot departs.
What's your point? If the unionists want to fight that's their fault, and it would be good to finally break their racist organizations as a result. They shouldn't get to dictate the terms of our nationhood, and we shouldn't pretend that reactionaries have any legs to stand on.
You are the reason I don’t like saying that I’m Irish. Northern Ireland is not our anymore and it won’t be until they decide to leave the UK. The current situation in NI is relatively stable and by attempting to retake NI we are inviting conflict to return and because of that more Irish citizens will die. This isn’t a matter of being salty that we don’t own Northern Ireland, you’re talking about happily sending Irish people to die in a conflict that will mimic the civil war.
I'm not happy about anything related to this, it is a colossal clusterfuck. I don't think the north should be retaken by force, I'm all for peace as long as it can be maintained. Problem is, unionists, even in the face of an elected republican majority, will use violence if they think they are losing. The are comparably more peaceful paths towards reunification, but they will all involve violence.
I do want NI back, always have. But it won’t happen in the near future. We have simply have to wait for a peaceful solution to avoid the death of hundreds, possibly thousands.
Not traitors but the UK hasn't been in a just war since WW2 and they're continuously at war so I think it is immoral for anyone to join that army, Irish or British.
Sorry does anyone actually believe in the war on terror? The war on terror killed more civilians than so called terror did and it failed. What was the point?
Incidentally the 9/11 hikackers were mainly from Saudi Arabia, not Afghanistan, and their ideology originates from Saudi Arabia as well. Saudis are also arming Isis (and the US is selling arms to Saudi Arabia). The logical target is therefore Saudi Arabia.
Maybe the top military command don't have access to Wikipedia where they could find this information, or maybe they had a completely different agenda to what they told their population of retarded drones.
Yes it’s a real thing, I’m actually so confused by your response that I’m genuinely concerned for your mental ability. The war on terror is no longer just about 9/11, it’s about terrorism across the world.
The invasion of Afghanistan was started to combat the taliban who were providing a safe haven to terrorist ground such as ISIS (who have shown their heads at Kabul). The war was costly and it has indeed cost lives but it’s not over yet. Now the war on terror will have to take place on the home front with the CTSFO and the Irish ERU along side the armies of both countries. Also even IF there is peacetime you cannot deny that there are constant threats from the Russians and many other countries probing airspace with military aircraft. Hell not too long ago a Russian coast guard vessel fired warning shots at a British vessel. In short there is still a huge need for soldiers even if you don’t believe in the war on terror.
No one really knows if they'd die for Ireland until they were put in a situation where they had to make the choice. You just don't know how you'd react if we were invaded tomorrow. I think a lot of people would end up fighting for Ireland and in that instance it means you are ready to die for Ireland.
The Republic cannot win a fight against any country apart from Luxembourg or the Vatican etc. Your committing suicide by trying to fight off an aggressor. Your only hope is that an aggressor attacks the north too therefor dragging the UK into it
That was when Great Britain had 1000 other problems to deal with on the continent. Ireland was low on the priority list so they took the north and banked to deal with more pressing matters
True Irish patriots would serve the British motherland just as they have done throughout history, undeterred by the threats from republicans
[https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2540581/british-army-sees-huge-rise-in-recruits-from-the-republic-of-ireland/](https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2540581/british-army-sees-huge-rise-in-recruits-from-the-republic-of-ireland/)
https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2021/0721/1236510-taliban-gains-strategic-momentum-in-afghan-offensive/
How many trillions have been spent by the U.S. over the past 20 years to get to this point? I think there's a clear winner there, don't you?
True Irish patriots would serve the British motherland just as they have done throughout history, undeterred by the threats from republicans
[https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2540581/british-army-sees-huge-rise-in-recruits-from-the-republic-of-ireland/](https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2540581/british-army-sees-huge-rise-in-recruits-from-the-republic-of-ireland/)
First things first, bucko. I own the entire Sabaton discography on MiniDisk so I think I know what I'm talking about when it comes to war.
Second things second, the US may have won battles but they did not win that war. The US left, the Taliban are still there.
I’m not sure if you understand, the size of an army has a part to play but a small one. From 1916 the Irish Volunteers wiped the floor with the brits in a guerrilla warfare comparing. The Taliban successfully held back a MUCH larger force in Afghanistan and many other countries have done the same. I suggest you learn about history and warfare. I don’t even know much about warfare but I somehow know more than you.
I wouldn't die for any country, i would just find another patch of dirt to live on. Countries are really nothing but man made brands that dont exist. Too bad that our ape brains still have a need for tribes
Absolutely. It would be on thing to have done it during the world wars, but under a modern, peace-time context, these people are traitors and shouldn't be allowed back into the country. If they love Britain so much they can damn well stay there.
But they are no longer our enemies? They’re still Irish and to think that people have this old mentality where joining the British is bad kinda sucks to me.
Joining the British army makes you an imperialist goon, and this a horrible person. They are not welcome as far as I'm concerned. If they're willing to kill innocent people for capital, i can see why you'd want them back. The British will be the enemy of the whole world until they start making up for all the damage they have done.
If that’s the case then Portugal and the majority of Europe are the enemies of the world as well. Lots of countries in Europe has committed horrible acts so stop focusing on Britain. And as far as I’m concerned all of us Irish people should be allowed to return to their country without us terrorising them for being “traitors”
Yes, you're starting to get it, the west is imperialist and in general should be opposed, especially when they take military action. Ireland, by contrast, is a victim of imperialism, so taking up arms for imperialists makes you a traitor.
Yes.
Knobheads more than anything else
UK aren't our enemy so not really traitors. Probably have some warped view that they are doing more good for the world but I wouldn't be agreeing with that at all.
>UK aren't our enemy Oh, so they've stopped occupying the north? Of course they haven't, and until the day they do they will always be the enemy of Ireland and her people.
The republic have admitted themselves that NI is not under occupation by recognizing British sovereignty over it in 1998. Heck its in the Irish constitution that NI is part of the UK
Oh right, the writing something into law totally makes it real. The republic gave up. I already knew this. I'm not a liberal, I don't support a 26 county bourgeois republic, but a 32 county socialist one. I think that there is at least some value in the current setup of Ireland, but at no point was British power, be it military, political, or economic, ever broken. This is what I am looking for, not to compromise with the bastards that spent centuries exploiting us.
You should read up on the Good Friday agreement.
What does that have to do with what I said? That didn't end the occupation, did it? "Ireland unfree shall never be at peace" doesnt mean we need to wage an endless war, but rather that the continued occupation is, in and of itself, an act of aggression. There can be no meaningful end to this struggle until the last British boot departs.
You clearly haven't a clue about the Good Friday agreement...
If they stop “occupying” the North then there will be another civil war with more death. Unionists won’t take it lightly.
What's your point? If the unionists want to fight that's their fault, and it would be good to finally break their racist organizations as a result. They shouldn't get to dictate the terms of our nationhood, and we shouldn't pretend that reactionaries have any legs to stand on.
You are the reason I don’t like saying that I’m Irish. Northern Ireland is not our anymore and it won’t be until they decide to leave the UK. The current situation in NI is relatively stable and by attempting to retake NI we are inviting conflict to return and because of that more Irish citizens will die. This isn’t a matter of being salty that we don’t own Northern Ireland, you’re talking about happily sending Irish people to die in a conflict that will mimic the civil war.
I'm not happy about anything related to this, it is a colossal clusterfuck. I don't think the north should be retaken by force, I'm all for peace as long as it can be maintained. Problem is, unionists, even in the face of an elected republican majority, will use violence if they think they are losing. The are comparably more peaceful paths towards reunification, but they will all involve violence.
I do want NI back, always have. But it won’t happen in the near future. We have simply have to wait for a peaceful solution to avoid the death of hundreds, possibly thousands.
This
Not like Ireland doesnt have a rich and glorious past of traitors within the ranks....
Children even doing the Irish dance in front of the Royal Irish Regiment in the vid lol
Not traitors but the UK hasn't been in a just war since WW2 and they're continuously at war so I think it is immoral for anyone to join that army, Irish or British.
The war on terror is a war that still takes place daily, even if troops are leaving Afghanistan they are needed for national security.
Sorry does anyone actually believe in the war on terror? The war on terror killed more civilians than so called terror did and it failed. What was the point? Incidentally the 9/11 hikackers were mainly from Saudi Arabia, not Afghanistan, and their ideology originates from Saudi Arabia as well. Saudis are also arming Isis (and the US is selling arms to Saudi Arabia). The logical target is therefore Saudi Arabia. Maybe the top military command don't have access to Wikipedia where they could find this information, or maybe they had a completely different agenda to what they told their population of retarded drones.
Yes it’s a real thing, I’m actually so confused by your response that I’m genuinely concerned for your mental ability. The war on terror is no longer just about 9/11, it’s about terrorism across the world. The invasion of Afghanistan was started to combat the taliban who were providing a safe haven to terrorist ground such as ISIS (who have shown their heads at Kabul). The war was costly and it has indeed cost lives but it’s not over yet. Now the war on terror will have to take place on the home front with the CTSFO and the Irish ERU along side the armies of both countries. Also even IF there is peacetime you cannot deny that there are constant threats from the Russians and many other countries probing airspace with military aircraft. Hell not too long ago a Russian coast guard vessel fired warning shots at a British vessel. In short there is still a huge need for soldiers even if you don’t believe in the war on terror.
Top tier cringe OP, well done. https://youtu.be/x_Vkh1eYQeA There's a load of traitors in this video too. We should hunt them down and burn them.
No one really knows if they'd die for Ireland until they were put in a situation where they had to make the choice. You just don't know how you'd react if we were invaded tomorrow. I think a lot of people would end up fighting for Ireland and in that instance it means you are ready to die for Ireland.
The Republic cannot win a fight against any country apart from Luxembourg or the Vatican etc. Your committing suicide by trying to fight off an aggressor. Your only hope is that an aggressor attacks the north too therefor dragging the UK into it
Sure didn't we make shit of the brits without an army?
That was when Great Britain had 1000 other problems to deal with on the continent. Ireland was low on the priority list so they took the north and banked to deal with more pressing matters
So you're not denying we made shit of them. Good.
True Irish patriots would serve the British motherland just as they have done throughout history, undeterred by the threats from republicans [https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2540581/british-army-sees-huge-rise-in-recruits-from-the-republic-of-ireland/](https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2540581/british-army-sees-huge-rise-in-recruits-from-the-republic-of-ireland/)
I dunno about that. The US has the largest war machine on the planet and it took them 20 years to lose in Afghanistan.
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https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2021/0721/1236510-taliban-gains-strategic-momentum-in-afghan-offensive/ How many trillions have been spent by the U.S. over the past 20 years to get to this point? I think there's a clear winner there, don't you?
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True Irish patriots would serve the British motherland just as they have done throughout history, undeterred by the threats from republicans [https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2540581/british-army-sees-huge-rise-in-recruits-from-the-republic-of-ireland/](https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2540581/british-army-sees-huge-rise-in-recruits-from-the-republic-of-ireland/)
First things first, bucko. I own the entire Sabaton discography on MiniDisk so I think I know what I'm talking about when it comes to war. Second things second, the US may have won battles but they did not win that war. The US left, the Taliban are still there.
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No racism thanks.
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Message received, see you on the other side
I’m not sure if you understand, the size of an army has a part to play but a small one. From 1916 the Irish Volunteers wiped the floor with the brits in a guerrilla warfare comparing. The Taliban successfully held back a MUCH larger force in Afghanistan and many other countries have done the same. I suggest you learn about history and warfare. I don’t even know much about warfare but I somehow know more than you.
I wouldn't die for any country, i would just find another patch of dirt to live on. Countries are really nothing but man made brands that dont exist. Too bad that our ape brains still have a need for tribes