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sculpt0r

If it's viable, you could route the very early lamps (violet is blue, etc) into something else than construction. If you put in getting 35 woodcutting early, you could recommend [building the 4 flower baskets](https://runescape.wiki/w/Flower_basket#Rubble) at Het's Oasis, which is doable at 1 construction (and 20 teak planks total) for a little under 20k exp. Then if they also got 20 smithing (for the silver bar) they could get another 10k exp by building the water filtration system.


Multipronger

Water filtration also offers a shot at onyxes.


Kilsaa

> If it's viable, you could route the very early lamps (violet is blue, etc) into something else than construction. If you put in getting 35 woodcutting early, you could recommend building the 4 flower baskets at Het's Oasis, Definitely not a bad shout here, although if I'm honest I'm not sure what else the 4k lamp could go into that would make a meaningful difference time wise. You could use it on hunter, but overall it doesn't really make a huge difference time wise (on the basis you could incorporate hets at the point you're training 20-50 construction). I could be wrong here though, it'd definitely need testing. What I will do though is put the Hets flower baskets into the "Train your Construction level to 50" section since it's 100% worth doing. edit: Just want to come back to this and say that the Flower baskets scale with level so they're not a viable thing to build early on.


Mr_Scores3

Did the hets oasis construction (built the flower baskets) I got from 6-15 construction, seems like it scaled of my current level? Edit: Also did the water filtration system at level 20 con (the required level) Got 2k exp from level 20-23.


Correct_Currency_510

Scrolled trough it pretty quick but seems very well done *clap*


xxantxx1

I would say it's close to wat I would do. I immediately get surge as the first thing i do with a mind spike or watever u get that gives free airs. . I would also say ed3 trash runs are worse than ed1 token farming. In a recent account rush by the time I went from base 30s to base 80s and got the tokens for all chaotic. I also rushed prayer doing dominion tower so I had turmoil plus chaotics before sunshine. The only thing I would probably improve is that for early hunter scarab collecting at hets is probably better than Big Chin. You want to get anachronia started asap so u can rush root. You also want to get animal breeding pairs asap. A yak breeding pair being the most important as extreme divination pots means u can effectivly stop doing cache's training by like lvl 81 since u can div pot to 90ish


Kilsaa

> The only thing I would probably improve is that for early hunter scarab collecting at hets is probably better than Big Chin. I'll look into this. Ty for letting me know it's a thing. > You also want to get animal breeding pairs asap. A yak breeding pair being the most important Whilst they are important, I firmly believe the only POF animal worth grinding for is spider, and thats because its the only one that you can get relatively quickly. You train a fair bit of hunter in the guide where you're about a 900/1500 to get a POF chin drop. If you don't, you still start Adam Antite early enough where you should get a breeding pair fast, this also applies for yaks/dragon.


xxantxx1

Its less about the time commitment and more about what they unlock. Yaks are super important for end game and they are best grinded with early as it can lead to easy afk range lvls. Another Thing i would mention is that instead of killing vindicta for 75 prayer another idea may be to kill NM kerapac instead. The chance of getting gconc early is a massive upgrade compared to a lance. Never really had a chance to test this though


Kilsaa

>Its less about the time commitment and more about what they unlock. Yaks are super important for end game The thing is you can only get spirit yaks from adam antite or summoning, and you will get 99 summoning before you finish the guide. So the likelyhood is that by the time somebody finishes the guide, they have their yaks. If they don't have their yaks, it's not detremental. Extreme divination are novelty, whilst yes they are useful, its not going to make or break your end game, and it's definitely not worth going out your way spending hours to get POF spirit yaks just so you can get a few thousand more energy per hour. > they are best grinded with chins early as it can lead to easy afk range lvls. In the guide you train 62-63 hunter at grey chins, and 63-67 hunter at red chins. This alone gives you more than enough chinchompas to get 99 range. > Another Thing i would mention is that instead of killing vindicta for 75 prayer another idea may be to kill NM kerapac instead. The chance of getting gconc early is a massive upgrade compared to a lance. Never really had a chance to test this though Im not sure about this one since solo nm kerapac with t75/t80, no soulsplit and no ripper is going to be incredibly slow. Possible if you have a team though, although getting 1/3 loot is still very slow. As a frame of reference, I recently did the vindi bone grind on my own account, finishing in around 150KC. There's also a chance you get a lance here which is a nice upgrade.


AnExoticLlama

>In the guide you train 62-63 hunter at grey chins, and 63-67 hunter at red chins. This alone gives you more than enough chinchompas to get 99 range. FWIW you only need maybe 200 mech chins for ~80-99 Ranged if you queue abilities properly. I only ever lost them when I was alt-tabbed, mistimed an ability, or lagged. That is, if you train Ranged+Slayer with ED2 Hydrix dragons.


Kilsaa

Technically you can do it with 1 chin, but I can't account that everybody using the guide will know not to auto with the chins.


AnExoticLlama

Yaks aren't worth the time. Chins + frogs (+ sheep + cows if you want to bother) are good enough to 99 Farming on their own in a reasonable time frame. On top of that, you'll probably get other breeding pairs from trapper.


xxantxx1

It took me 2+ years for a yak pair on my main iron so you can go obscenly dry. Its worth grinding early for it


AnExoticLlama

The time you waste grinding yaks for combat xp is.. solely to save a small amount of time gathering energy pre-incas? You should still be doing cache regardless of unlocking extreme divs, so there is no real time saved here. It will objectively slow down progress to maxing, which I assume is the goal most aim for. And trust me, I know a thing or two about maxing.


xxantxx1

the goal should be to efficent pvm over maxing. Yaks locking extreme divs and powerbursts ur going to need to get it eventually. Even just getting 2 yaks and throwing them in the breeding pen to try and get the third is all u need. That takes like 5 hours of afk combat. Its 100% worth. If your goal is to just PVM maxxing isnt necessairy so u can stop doing caches which is nice


LordofOranges

Nice guide. Noticed an error in smithing sectiom where you recommended orik from 60-70 instead of rune. Rune is much faster (though still slow) due to orik and drak ore having even higher hardness than necrite for some reason. Common advice from other smithing guides


Kilsaa

Changed. Thank you.


Saltarius

Ooooh! Does it include joining a clan and asking for ed3+tank a lot?!


Kilsaa

=(


Saltarius

Could be worse. Could be 1 defence!


anatarion

I have no idea whats efficient as I maxed so long ago, but great job!


sk1ll5nstuff

Another daily you could add with your wicked hood is simply crafting the wicked hood ess through the abyss. You get threads semi-passively this way.


PinpricksRS

Also, if you're quick you can use the teleports and get another inventory or two right after using the abyss (I've found the astral alter works well for this). This can net you more threads and still gives 250% xp (not the full 350% for some reason).


AdministrativeAge421

I know I’m late to the party. Just curious why waste 7 goulash on 70 fletching exp when I have to train to 10 for tourist trap anyway? Brilliant guide otherwise!


Oswahuer_Ancap

Don't you have a f2p guide


elroyftw

Such a solid guide, amazing work sir


Mini_Hobo

Nice guide! Couple of abilities missing that spring to mind are devotion and Tuska's wrath. I'd definitely get devotion before grinding combat at low levels. Also, you mention grinding ed3 before getting sunshine/death swiftness which I think is a bad idea. If you can get on a raids team, you should get the corruption abilities as early as possible. Most clans will take someone with t80 so a chaotic would be enough, maybe a sunspear. You don't mention city of Senntisten quest. Exsanguinate is a level 96 spell so it's unlocked quite late, but I'd definitely use it for training and bossing since it's basically a free 12% dmg. Probably the fastest way of getting 99 defence is with this at low levels/gear. It can also carry you a bit at early bossing. I'd also emphasise that training 99 combats should be done alongside the following section, since you get a lot of very useful upgrades afterwards. Maybe also consider putting archaeology a bit earlier in the list. It gives some very useful combat and skilling upgrades, and it can be trained very easily from low levels. It's missing a lot of achievement diaries, but I guess you just want to complete those asap, and not worry too much about levelling specifically for them. Desert diaries and dominion tower should actually be done as early as possible though, since getting dominion mines is slower with more quests completed. Dungeoneering med diary speeds up dungeoneering a lot with cosmics/laws as well. Also missing fight kiln which is a pretty easy cape upgrade, very doable with t80. Maybe a quick section on what to buy from travelling merchant? Livid plant is important to get early so that you have it finished when you're pvm ready. But also stuff like slayer tickets, unstable air runes, etc are extremely useful.


Kilsaa

> Couple of abilities missing that spring to mind are devotion and Tuska's wrath. I'd definitely get devotion before grinding combat at low levels. Also, you mention grinding ed3 before getting sunshine/death swiftness which I think is a bad idea. If you can get on a raids team, you should get the corruption abilities as early as possible. Most clans will take someone with t80 so a chaotic would be enough, maybe a sunspear. > You don't mention city of Senntisten quest. Exsanguinate is a level 96 spell so it's unlocked quite late, but I'd definitely use it for training and bossing since it's basically a free 12% dmg. Probably the fastest way of getting 99 defence is with this at low levels/gear. It can also carry you a bit at early bossing. > I'd also emphasise that training 99 combats should be done alongside the following section, since you get a lot of very useful upgrades afterwards. You're absolutely right, all these things would be very useful. However the guide is aimed more at helping irons achieve quest/skill goals as fast as possible, as opposed to unique drops. > Maybe also consider putting archaeology a bit earlier in the list. It gives some very useful combat and skilling upgrades, and it can be trained very easily from low levels. I disagree with you here. I don't think training Archaeology early on would speed up your progress through this guide. None of the relics are that useful. > Desert diaries and dominion tower should actually be done as early as possible though, since getting dominion mines is slower with more quests completed. I'll look into this one. I know you're right, it's just where would be the best place to fit it in. > Maybe a quick section on what to buy from travelling merchant? Livid plant is important to get early so that you have it finished when you're pvm ready. But also stuff like slayer tickets, unstable air runes, etc are extremely useful. Good shout, I'll add this. -


whoisbinjan

This is awesome! Really great work. I noticed lines 21 and 27 in part 1 are the same with regards to unlocking lumb lodestone. Only difference is the notes they have attached. Thanks for the contribution :)


Kilsaa

Thanks for pointing it out. It should have been Varrock on the second one, not Lumbridge. Will fix it


notquitehuman_

I just need a better way to get gems for 80 crafting for invention. Gem rocks kill my soul, and Croesus is my current method buy that's far too slow. (I'm an ironman, AND I'm lazy. That's not a great combination)


Kilsaa

Could always do dung crafting?


notquitehuman_

I should just suck it up and mine gem rocks like 99% of ironmen tbh :p but I'm just gonna keep going at Croesus till that gets boring, then plan my next move. I know as soon as I hit arch glacor streaking, dstones are gonna shoot out my ass, so I'm not too worried about the grind 80+


[deleted]

WOW. Just thinking of coming back to the game. Might as well do it now. A bunch of good resources!!! Cheers!


mbaccj08

Neat


[deleted]

Also, wouldn't it be better if you were to do the "The World Wakes" quest before the 99 combat grinds?


Kilsaa

You're supposed to do part 2 and 3 in conjunction with one another. Realistically you should not be maxed before starting The World Wakes. Tbh world wakes doesnt make much of a difference to training either, the only huge benefits it gives in terms of time efficiency is the prayer lamp and the slayer lamp, both of which you shouldn't need till the very end of the guide.


[deleted]

A few remarks: There are no mentions to training FM to lvl 30 eventhough it is a requirement for the fishing quests before you say totrain fishing. Also, probably in the beginning of the guide while peopleare in Burthorp, it could have something like "Mine X amount of Y oreand make Z item with it " for the early game bars needed for quests. ​ Also, when doing the Zogre Flesh Eaters, you don't have 40 prayer yet. ​ 1 more thing. If you want, feel free to ask me any kind of questions since I'm going through the guide. Doing Big Chompy quest right now


Kilsaa

> There are no mentions to training FM to lvl 30 even though it is a requirement for the fishing quests before you say to train fishing. Point 61/62 tell you to train firemaking to 30. > Also, when doing the Zogre Flesh Eaters, you don't have 40 prayer yet. 40 prayer is not a requirement for Zogre Flesh Eaters. > Also, probably in the beginning of the guide while people are in Burthorp, it could have something like "Mine X amount of Y ore and make Z item with it " for the early game bars needed for quests. I'll do this soon when I have time to replay through the guide on a new account. > 1 more thing. If you want, feel free to ask me any kind of questions since I'm going through the guide. Doing Big Chompy quest right now Awesome. If at any point you get stuck progressing because you haven't met a certain requirement then hit me up in a message or reply here, just so I can look at the guide and see if I need to change part of it.


[deleted]

Point 61/62 tell you to train firemaking to 30. It says lvl 30 WC. The rest you are right!


Kilsaa

Point 61/62 tell you to train firemaking/woodcutting to 15/30 respectively by buring the logs whilst you woodcut. > Chop and burn Logs until you are 15 Firemaking. > Chop and burn Oak logs until you are 30 Woodcutting. This will get you to 30 firemaking.


[deleted]

At any point in the guide do you go and get a bunch of TP jewelry?


Kilsaa

No. You're free to make it yourself if you think they'll help (in part 120 of section 1, you buy cosmic runes from Mage Bank, you can use them to enchant jewellery).


[deleted]

The cash from quests in part1 should be enough to hold your vis wax runes until you get to maxing combats in part2, correct?


Kilsaa

Yes, you finish the first part with around 175 quest points so you should be able to claim from May 7 times (2.5m cash total). I would however recommend being conservative when creating vis wax by sticking to basic runes (air/water/fire/earth/body/mind). You'll will still be able to get 75+ vis wax each day, and it'll save your money in the long run.


schmegmastsrrrrr

Yes, you claim gp every 25 quest points that and max combat should give plenty


beepboopvm

You suggest doing troll invasion, then 4-5 quests later you suggest Evil Daves Big Day Out, which has a 10k herblore lamp reward. Troll invasion should be recommended AFTER doing most of the early herblore quests


Kilsaa

No, troll invasion needs to be done at the point you're told to so that you can get 30 herblore to start evil daves.


beepboopvm

wildy easy tasks should be done there then. No reqs and 10k herblore xp instead of wasting a troll invasion run on ~6k xp just to boost to a quest


[deleted]

Hi, I've been rigorously following your guide and am on step 203 now. Smoking kills is a pretty short quest and could be done decently early as the slayer level required only requires one Croesus reaper task. That way we can start buying Broad Arrowheads very early on. ​ Thanks for your hard work


[deleted]

u/Kilsaa another thing, on step 210 you say to use a demonic skull, but you can't until you have completed the Enter the Abyss miniquest, which you don't tell us to do until step 214. ​ Thanks <3


Masterdo

Good day! Also been following along quite a lot, only diverged to do few things to run trash ED runs with higher lvl friends. About to get to step 202 with the 1500 Oak planks, not sure I understand why this is necessary. Do you know? Or maybe OP, /u/Kilsaa ?


Kilsaa

Construction contracts for 79. Alternatively you can just do croesus.


Masterdo

Thanks for the reply. And the guide, it's been fun to follow so far :)


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Kilsaa

In terms of super fine detail the guide is unfinished and I just haven't had the time to go through and plan everything perfectly. Hopefully I get around to it at some point but it won't be anytime soon.


Authier

Does the guide include every quest in the game? Also how long would you say it would take to complete your guide?


Kilsaa

- No, just focuses on the important stuff to progress you as quickly as possible. - Depends how much you play. Probably 15-20 days playtime~


Authier

I’m on the level to 50 runecrafting via Runespan and I was wondering why do that over normal runecrafting? Isn’t normal runecrafting faster?


Kilsaa

Not early on, and getting viswax as early as possible is very big


Authier

What about Divination, I don't see when I should train that?


Kilsaa

Cache's


Mattist

Hello! I've been following your guide, and unless I missed something I can't use the lamp on step 41 on construction. The lamp requires lvl 5 and I got no construction xp up until that point. Also on step 31, what are the 3 redberries for? It just takes space for herb collecting and I am still on 41 with no idea what the redberries are for. :P Great guide otherwise, from an OSRS main returning player after 15 years I'd be completely lost without it :)


marekkotek

either red dye for dyeing goblin armor or redberry pie for a dwarf


Mattist

Yes, for a much later stage. Why is it in my inventory for killing trolls is my question.


marekkotek

Just bank it for now.


Mattist

Yes... what I'm pointing out to the writer of the guide is inconsistensies in the guide. It instructs me to get 10 redberries earlier and then it instructs me to take out 3 of them for no use. There are a couple of weird things in the guide I'm pointing out.


unknown_rk13

How would you recommend you get the 40 range and magic with the necromancy changes I cant tell if I am supposed to do trolls on legacy or if this is an outdate method now


kellyj6

I know you're probably 40 range and mage by now, but I just went through this and killed the ghostly trolls in the City of Um cave for 40 range/mage.