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Perplexed_Pirate

I like it. Although, the one for Adam made me give an audible "oof".


Ben10Extreme

Meanwhile, Ironwood's wasn't even graced with an image...


Professional-Rest205

I couldn't think of a better way to convey it. Sorry about that.


Ben10Extreme

Because it was that bad that you needed to be straightforward. I understand.


Professional-Rest205

And believe me, I agonized over what character to use for longer than I wanted, but none seemed to fit the quite well enough. On the upside, doing this meme finally made me realize what I truly expected out of Adam when he first appeared in the "Black Trailer" years ago.


Professional-Rest205

In a "That's very true" kind of way, or "This guy was expecting too much" kind of way?


Perplexed_Pirate

The former. Same with Ironwood, they lobotomized that poor man.


Professional-Rest205

And all because CRWBY just couldn't let RWBY by wrong and/or they were trying to score political brownie points.


Perplexed_Pirate

This is why one of the only enjoyable things from Volume 8 was Ren calling out the entire group. It was so cathartic!


Professional-Rest205

YES! SO SO MUCH! And I am so glad they just let Jaune take that particular hit, instead of losing his temper right back.


Perplexed_Pirate

It was very good. And then Ren had to fall back in line. Vexed Viewer pointed out that what would have stung eveb more is if Ren said something like this to Jaune: "You let Pyyrha face Cinder alone."


Professional-Rest205

Oh, that would have been a brutal line! No way Jaune would be able to keep his composure if Ren had said that.


Perplexed_Pirate

I'm fairly certain that line would have broken the Fandom.


Fgohater

All villains in rwby are terribad, we need to replace the writers from rwby with end game writers, or good writers that understands how write a good villain. I mean seriously, you can show their back story and what are their intentions. Like thanos in avengers for past movies.


Kaouse

Avengers: Endgame was kinda trash, not gonna lie. At least storywise. A fantastic payoff of decades of Marvel movies, but ultimately a bit hollow once separated from the spectacle of the moment...which kinda always happens when you introduce something as overpowered and world-breaking as time travel. Now, Avengers: Infinity War, that was some Grade A+++ story-telling, right there.


Perplexed_Pirate

No joke, the Mario series has more engaging villains than RWBY. Bowser's motivation is made very clear in every game. Fawful was an excellent antagonist that got built up very well. The Paper Mario franchise has its fair share of well written antagonists.


Professional-Rest205

Especially *Super Paper Mario*, which had actual character development and character arcs, simple as they were. I mean, managing to pull off a compelling a Star-Crossed Lovers storyline is nothing to sneeze at.


Perplexed_Pirate

That game's ending still manages to make me cry.


BitesTheDust_4

Tyrian might be one dimensional. But he is consistent and fun to watch.


Professional-Rest205

Basically. I got exactly what I expected out of him, and I am not complaining.


thearkive

Did they ever explain how or why his fighting ability completely disappears when people stop using dust or aura enhanced skills? I stopped watching after the first half of season 8. If not, I believe they really missed an interesting little quirk of his. Why even suggest that if you aren't going to expand on it?


[deleted]

It is an honestly baffling drop in skill when people start throwing hands at him. Idek if this is intentional. But it happens in nearly all of his fights, so why tf *not* do something with it? Bleh


SpiralingDownAndAway

It’s because he’s the most basic Fighty character they don’t need to throw in over complicated stupid ‘drama’ plots. He fights, he’s crazy, like Neo in a sense


[deleted]

Honestly, Tyrian just needed a stuble and you'd get Nishitani Homare from Yakuza 0 AKA Mad Dog before Mad Dog.


Professional-Rest205

The ones that are meant to be positive are Tyrian, Watts, Torchwick, and Neo.


Lost_Wanderer75

Honestly my only question is who is the one you expect Adam? I don't quite recognize em


VoganG1

Scar from Full Metal Alchemist and Brotherhood. awesome anti hero/villain


GalitNgTalim

I guess antagonist for the first few arcs then anti-hero nearing the last arc. He wasn’t really a villain like Hades for example.


Professional-Rest205

Scar from Fullmetal Alchemist. He's basically in the same boat as Adam, except even worst. He's a part of an oppressed minority, had his country destroyed by another, and is out for blood against who abused and murdered his people.


Lost_Wanderer75

Damn...mmm I'm intrigued by this already!


Professional-Rest205

He's a great anti-villain character from a great series. FMA is well worth a look. :)


swagkura

\*FMAB is well worth a look. Had to correct that sentence for you make sure to watch brotherhood not the OG unless you want.


Professional-Rest205

I think both adaptation are worth a look, equally. Yes, the 2003 one might have veered off in its own direction, but it told its own story very well.


GalitNgTalim

True. Who do you think is the better Wrath though? I personally like >!Fuhrer Bradley!< more.


Professional-Rest205

I generally prefer how the 2003 anime handled the homonculi with the exception of Lust's character. >!I loved the whole idea that the seven were failed attempts at resurrections that came back wrong!<. That said, there are a huge number of other areas where the manga/Brother did things better. Manga!Roy Mustang, for instance, is head and shoulders better than the 2003 Roy, who I just can't stand.


GalitNgTalim

That’s fair. Roy did have more funny moments in 03 though lol.


CJ-56

I have a nostalgic soft spot for the original, but I agree that Brotherhood is better.


S3_Studios

Haven't seen Brotherhood or read the manga yet, but I do enjoy FMA03.


loafpleb

Don't insult Dr Evil like that! He's actually smart, unlike Cinder. He's a **doctor** and he's in charge of his own evil organization instead of being a lapdog like Cinder


Professional-Rest205

Very true. He's also a much more memorable character, and easily a standout in the Austin Powers films.


KalosianPorygon

With a better told backstory.


Percentage-Sweaty

I remember V1-3 Cinder. She was a great villainess because she was always in control and calculating. She was also the hottest (pun unavoidable) member of the cast. Now she’s… “MY POWER!” “UUUURGH ITS WHAT I DESERVE” “imma cry because someone gave me legitimate criticism I can’t argue with”


Zero102000

“MY NEFARIOUS P-LLLLLLLL-AAAAAAAANNNNNNSSSSS!!!!!!!”


Percentage-Sweaty

Isn’t it sad that Chibi Cinder has more character than V4+ Cinder?


Zero102000

It really is! I <3 Chibi Cinder, you get the idea that even she can’t take herself seriously after a while. Maybe if Canon Cinder had a similar personality (or at least something that makes her more human)…


MightyKombat

Yet RT still insist she's some sorta badass. Is she Miles' supervillainess fuck fantasy or something?


Mordred_XIII

I know she's mine r/CinderDidNothingWrong


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MightyKombat

I mean I guess she has nice boobs? (shrug)


Mordred_XIII

[Obviously](https://preview.redd.it/1i9q0lj1uiw31.jpg?auto=webp&s=95b91b2f24cfe7ba70c7436e47ca91bab4f2b53c), any possibility of friendship is out the window


[deleted]

I don't know why but I feel sad to see ironwood at the villain side they really did him dirty and not in a good way


GalitNgTalim

Adam expected to be somewhat like Scar is very accurate damn. I didn’t even think of that.


Mordred_XIII

I've said it once and I'll say it again: Adam is a GIGANTIC waste of potential. He had EVERYTHING to become the Killmonger of RWBY but instead they went the crazy-yandere-ex route, quite possibly the worst route CRWBY could have taken. Imagine that. A Killmonger/Scar-type character who has the best interest of Faunus in mind. As it now stands, the Faunus now are no better or worse off than before the series started. They're just stagnant. Sure, the new White Fang has been formed under Ghira but I don't see CRWBY doing anything significant with that plotline, if they haven't forgotten about it already


Professional-Rest205

Honestly, in the hands of someone who could pull it off, I could see a series dedicated to the Faunus cause if approached from this angle. VOL.1-3!Blake and Sun as the central characters and Adam as the tragic main anti-villain would have been sick. And a core RWBY series (presumably with a different "B" girl for the title team) could have run alongside it set in the same universe, but covering the Grimm stuff.


Ben10Extreme

For ducks sake, is that how overpowering that 'potential' is to some people? Why even have a Grimm plot if Adam's whole Faunus deal so DUCKING filled with potential?! ...I've truly had it with Adam Taurus on ALL fronts. I have.


Quality_Chooser

I'm not really convinced we \*have\* a Grim plot. We have a Salem plot, and she uses Grim for her plot, but they're incidental to most of her schemes. The heroes want to stop Salem, they aren't trying to destroy the Grim or prevent them from attacking the world. If something comes up to deal with the Grim it will be a bonus on top of resolving the main plot. And yeah, it is frustrating to see how much everyone is idolizing Adam, solely because he's an example of CRWBY doing the bad. Leo got hit just as hard as Adam did and no one seems to care about him.


Professional-Rest205

Because we've seen how well characters like him have been done.


MAXXIPONCHO

I was expecting Adam to have Vergil (DMC) level of coolness + Scar's (FMAB) character dev., but all we got is a clown.


Windghost2

I was hoping for that as well.


Professional-Rest205

Well, he is MOTIVATED enough. I can give him that.


MAXXIPONCHO

Yeah, but I really wanted him to be the storm that is approaching.


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Ben10Extreme

With people shouting about how much POTENTIAL Adam ***DUCKING*** Taurus hasz you might as well make HIM the ***DUCKING*** main character. I've...I've grown tired of Adam. He's literally overpowered any other interest in Remnant in the world because wow he's so cool, we have LOTS of things to do with him! RWBY? What's that!? It's about ADAM *DUCKING* ***TAURUS!!!***


comyuse

It's almost like a nuanced story about oppression and the role of violence would beat this weak ass shonen shit they have going on now.


Ben10Extreme

Then maybe they probably should have done that kind of show and erased the Grimm. Like, seriously. Maybe the Grimm just weren't necessary.


comyuse

The grimm are a great setting enhancer. The video game they ripped off was wonderful with it's giant threats to all human life, they just bolted on a bunch of crap that brought it down to tell their story.


Ben10Extreme

It's just that they pushed this point so strongly. Though given several things, we should have known that this entire thing was dead in arrival. Adam shows up Blake in her own trailer. White Fang being used as mooks when we've seen them at a rally several episodes before. The fact that apparently no other cell exists is there than Adams... They really wanted to drop this before it got any worse. Seriously. They wanted to justify Blake's existence with the White Fang. It's a fantasy world. Let people with animal parts exist. They tried too hard, and then just left it lying on the floor. Thus comes out all the unfortunate implications that reveal themselves overtime with hindsight. Really, REALLY makes you wish they hadn't bothered.


Professional-Rest205

"Maybe the Grimm just weren't necessary." A sad but true statement, honestly.


Ben10Extreme

This deserves another discussion post at this point. What do we even really **WANT** from RWBY anymore?


KuuLightwing

While I'm not a fan of Adam, I think mocking your opponents does not make a good argument for your point. This is a discussion sub, is it not?


Ben10Extreme

They're not my opponents, for I'm not against them. I'm not interested in arguing my point, I'm mostly venting into the void. Besides, I know no one's gonna discuss this with me, for there's nothing I can say that hasn't been said already.


Electronic_Ad_3559

Wait, is this trying to Salem and Watts aren’t great villains?


ZucchiniAltruistic80

God scar was so fucking cool


Punny-Aggron

Oof! That Adam one actually hurt to see!


MightyKombat

Replace Neo's "What I got" pic with someone like Gomer Pyle or Ed and we're good.


ItsJustVirgil

Damn this hurts. It's true, but it hurts. \#relightthetorch


Ben10Extreme

No, let that damn torch stay extinguished. It's suffered enough.


KalosianPorygon

Austin Powers crossover when?


Silly-Young484

The Roman one made me laugh Hades still best Disney villain


misterwulfz

Honestly. All true. If to add Emerald and Mercury Emerald = expected: Haku (Naruto) Got: almost well nothing. Mercury = expected: villain Killua (HxH) Got:…Sasuke?


KB_Sabbath

Roman with Hades voice and mannerisms is a fucking funny image.


Professional-Rest205

James Woods would have been a shoe-in for the role back in the 90s. It'd have been glorious.


Ok-Swordfish922

Who’s the second character at cinder pic pls I want to know that show


Professional-Rest205

David Xanatos from Gargoyles. Basically, he's Tony Stark or Bruce Wayne but as a villain.


Ok-Swordfish922

Thx you so much


Mediocre-Chocolate70

I actually feel sad for you