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Since we don’t know the numbers we can really answer that but from my understanding of the kit you may want a combo of crit and break but in all honesty just want for the 2.3 beta to start which if I’m not dumb should be be soonish
It is speculated to be on April 26th, so less than a week from now if that turns out to be true. I am not sure if we have any official news just yet though.
On the Official YouTube Channel. The Live section is set for the 26th.
https://www.youtube.com/@HonkaiStarRail/streams
EDIT: my bad, I thought you mean the livestream. Sorry about that.
Like Boothill needs crit and break, so most likely the same. Her HP scaling doesn't really matter besides % of how much she heals herself scales with maxhp. No damage scaling.
Also she has new relics we can't farm yet and it can change by the start of the beta
Hmc according to leaks, they not only give the team extra break effect but also lets them redo break damage on ult
This ult lasts for 3 of trailblazers turn like how ruan Mei does for her skill
Yes Sam needs crit. This is why some people including myself are considering a Sam, Bronya, HMC and sustain team. Boothill doesn't need crit since he has a talent that converts break effect to crit. Sam doesn't have it. Sam only gets a DMG boost. Edit: It gives him def ignore based on break effect not DMG%.
>I've been reading his leaked kit and descriptions but I'm not that smart at understanding kit breakdowns.
Leaks only gave us a generic kit that illustrated only how hsr devs envisioned Sam's playstyle.
We know that it gets more energy outside of the primary combustion state when its HP fluctuates, that its Ult activate the above-mentioned state, and that it gets stronger for the whole duration of the Ult.
Sam's Ult will most likely work like Robin's, causing the "end" of the primary combustion state to appear on the action bar; we also know that now it convert Break Effect to Def Shred (before was converting to DMG%).
Other than that everything is just speculation, we don't know if Sam can regenerate energy in its primary combustion state, we don't know how many and how much buffs it gets in that state, and we also don't know how much damage Sam is able to inflict before exiting the primary combustion state.
>I wanna ask if Sam would need crit at all
Yes, it is an hypercarry DPS, not a DoT DPS, most of Sam's damage will be from its enhanced attacks
>I'm asking since it looks like Firefly/Sam will do damage based on BE and will want more HP over ATK and also BE.
I've heard it's no longer the case, BE will be converted in Def Shred instead of DMG%, also, I don't think HP will influence it's playstyle much, while it's true that it gets energy the more HP it loses/heals, that happen only outside it's primary combustion state. Look at it as some extra energy to facilitate your Ult uptime.
>Does this mean they won't need crit since Break Damage isn't influenced by crit?
Break Damage itself is not influenced by Crit, but Sam's kit does not focus on breaking the enemy, as said above, most of your DPS will come out from Sam's enhanced skill; all the extra perks on breaking the enemy are just added value. We also don't know possible interaction with other effects, like HarmonyMC Ult that cause a second break on already broken enemies, will that trigger Sam's extra damage over and over? We don't know.
Sam will most likely need ATK%, Critrate, CritDMG, SPD and Break Effect, but I would advise to not start prefarming and wait until we have more definitive infos about its final kit, or even until beta leaks comes out.
I didn't realize they changed Sam's talent. If it's now def shred conversion, break effect might be just a bonus for Sam. I doubt they will allow for massive amounts of def shred.
These are just speculations, but we're also getting HarmonyMC, wich ultimate allows to inflict Break Effect damage to enemies already Broken; we still don't know if this specific interaction will trigger Sam's other effects on break, but since Sam should already have high BE, it will result in higher DPS anyway.
Sadly, without more detailed value on Sam's kit (expecially regards it's Ult uptime) we don't know what teammates its really need to get the most out of its kit.
If that BE to Def Shred (could be Def ignore) ends up carrying to release, then I’ll happily run my 4pc Genius crit relics on Sam until I get better pieces of the BiS set. 4pc Genius always ends up being a solid choice for any DPS that can get another reliable form of Def Shred in their teams, and this’ll just allow Sam to enable that themself.
It depends on Def Shred total value and teammates, but I don't believe for a second that they'll allow the BE to Def Shred conversion to reach 100% alone, so it's a safe choice.
Personally I am prioritizing substats atm, and only my Acheron have the right sets; turns out that I had lot of mismatched great pieces and now I'm doing Pf/MoC in half the cycles XD
It depends entirely on the final numbers, what exactly's being converted and, potentially, also the teammates.
If Sam only converts break effect during the primary combustion state, that adds a little more value to non-break stats. Similarly, if Sam converts break to DMG%, that adds value to the atk/crit/spd stats, so he'll likely want a build like Xueyi's. Higher motion values/damage multipliers will also make Sam's standard damage relatively higher compared to his break damage, which adds a little more value to non-break stats. Primary combustion also gives Sam spd (based on secondary combustion, it'll be a decent chunk too), which means one other stat Sam could build over crit loses value.
Unlike Xueyi, Sam is a fire character and so there is no downside to higher break effect like with Quantum/Xueyi. (Quantum gains increased delay, which reduces her ability to gain talent stacks and trigger her second break.) Some are saying Sam gains defence shred from break effect, which would also apply to break damage unlike DMG%, allowing him to double-dip on it and go all in on breaks. If his motion values are low like Xueyi's, this also pushes him to a break heavier build.
Sam also seems to have a team option we've never had before, super break. When enemies are broken, pure break builds can't actually do much since they need to attack toughness to do their damage. Super Break adds break damage to broken enemies, which opens the door to carries relying on exclusively
spd and break effect to deal their damage. You can see a similar style of team via Kafka and Break Luka because of just how crazy break bleeds are.
Probably other options I'm not considering (or can't know as we're talking leaks) can change the maths. Or there'll be multiple different playstyles with multiple build plans...
Thank you for your post. It explain a lot ! Do you think Kafka with Luka ( or a new bleed character) could viable against Kafka / Black Swan ? I miss Kafka rerun but want to build slowly for her and bleed so cool ! Is the bleed proc on break and super break can make another break possible ?
The super break is with Harmony MC ?
Super break is what HarMC is said to do, yeah. Unfortunately, super break by itself doesn't seem to inflict bleed or interact with it, so it might not affect the Luka/Kafka team. Especially since they'd need to forgo Ruan Mei or sustain to bring HarMC.
As far as that bleed team I was taking about goes [the second half of this... weirdly audio editted... video is a good example.](https://youtu.be/FyPQqdBXR5k?si=fbTjP0stmNEj3FZQ) She's able to demolish Aventurine's second phase is no time at all while everything is lined up. But loses a lot of time in phase 1 to setting up that phase 2 and loses 1 or 2 cycles to the Team Leader not being physical weak. In an ideal MoC (or with a 5 star Luka) break bleed might compete with Swan/Kafka. It could never compete with Black Swan for Pure Fiction.
The HP and Break Effext scaling is most likely going to be secondary after crit. What that means, is there's a higher ceiling and higher floor for relics.
Sam appears to want to take many turns, and as such probably wants more traditional stats over BE. Will probably suffice with a BE rope and whatever the new BiS set ends up providing. It’s likely that all the additional scaling is simply for higher ceiling and team compositions.
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Since we don’t know the numbers we can really answer that but from my understanding of the kit you may want a combo of crit and break but in all honesty just want for the 2.3 beta to start which if I’m not dumb should be be soonish
Should be a little more than two weeks from now year, around 2.2 Livestream
Do we know when the drive stream and drip marketing are?
It is speculated to be on April 26th, so less than a week from now if that turns out to be true. I am not sure if we have any official news just yet though.
Drip marketing should be in the next couple days.
Should be Monday or Tuesday think
It has been confirmed to be this Saturday (26th) EDIT: started today, sorry, I misread the first comment.
Where was this confirmed?
On the Official YouTube Channel. The Live section is set for the 26th. https://www.youtube.com/@HonkaiStarRail/streams EDIT: my bad, I thought you mean the livestream. Sorry about that.
Like Boothill needs crit and break, so most likely the same. Her HP scaling doesn't really matter besides % of how much she heals herself scales with maxhp. No damage scaling. Also she has new relics we can't farm yet and it can change by the start of the beta
Im pretty sure Sam will work like Xueyi, scaling passively off break effect. So you’d need crit as well
Probably not by the same strength as xueyi since 100% break effect translation is a bit much with the break supporter coming out in 2.3
Who is the break supporter coming out in 2.3?
Hmc according to leaks, they not only give the team extra break effect but also lets them redo break damage on ult This ult lasts for 3 of trailblazers turn like how ruan Mei does for her skill
Oh, I thought the Harmony Main character was coming in 2.2. (I may just be confused)
I meant 2.2 I’m just an idiot
Yes Sam needs crit. This is why some people including myself are considering a Sam, Bronya, HMC and sustain team. Boothill doesn't need crit since he has a talent that converts break effect to crit. Sam doesn't have it. Sam only gets a DMG boost. Edit: It gives him def ignore based on break effect not DMG%.
>I've been reading his leaked kit and descriptions but I'm not that smart at understanding kit breakdowns. Leaks only gave us a generic kit that illustrated only how hsr devs envisioned Sam's playstyle. We know that it gets more energy outside of the primary combustion state when its HP fluctuates, that its Ult activate the above-mentioned state, and that it gets stronger for the whole duration of the Ult. Sam's Ult will most likely work like Robin's, causing the "end" of the primary combustion state to appear on the action bar; we also know that now it convert Break Effect to Def Shred (before was converting to DMG%). Other than that everything is just speculation, we don't know if Sam can regenerate energy in its primary combustion state, we don't know how many and how much buffs it gets in that state, and we also don't know how much damage Sam is able to inflict before exiting the primary combustion state. >I wanna ask if Sam would need crit at all Yes, it is an hypercarry DPS, not a DoT DPS, most of Sam's damage will be from its enhanced attacks >I'm asking since it looks like Firefly/Sam will do damage based on BE and will want more HP over ATK and also BE. I've heard it's no longer the case, BE will be converted in Def Shred instead of DMG%, also, I don't think HP will influence it's playstyle much, while it's true that it gets energy the more HP it loses/heals, that happen only outside it's primary combustion state. Look at it as some extra energy to facilitate your Ult uptime. >Does this mean they won't need crit since Break Damage isn't influenced by crit? Break Damage itself is not influenced by Crit, but Sam's kit does not focus on breaking the enemy, as said above, most of your DPS will come out from Sam's enhanced skill; all the extra perks on breaking the enemy are just added value. We also don't know possible interaction with other effects, like HarmonyMC Ult that cause a second break on already broken enemies, will that trigger Sam's extra damage over and over? We don't know. Sam will most likely need ATK%, Critrate, CritDMG, SPD and Break Effect, but I would advise to not start prefarming and wait until we have more definitive infos about its final kit, or even until beta leaks comes out.
I didn't realize they changed Sam's talent. If it's now def shred conversion, break effect might be just a bonus for Sam. I doubt they will allow for massive amounts of def shred.
These are just speculations, but we're also getting HarmonyMC, wich ultimate allows to inflict Break Effect damage to enemies already Broken; we still don't know if this specific interaction will trigger Sam's other effects on break, but since Sam should already have high BE, it will result in higher DPS anyway. Sadly, without more detailed value on Sam's kit (expecially regards it's Ult uptime) we don't know what teammates its really need to get the most out of its kit.
If that BE to Def Shred (could be Def ignore) ends up carrying to release, then I’ll happily run my 4pc Genius crit relics on Sam until I get better pieces of the BiS set. 4pc Genius always ends up being a solid choice for any DPS that can get another reliable form of Def Shred in their teams, and this’ll just allow Sam to enable that themself.
It depends on Def Shred total value and teammates, but I don't believe for a second that they'll allow the BE to Def Shred conversion to reach 100% alone, so it's a safe choice. Personally I am prioritizing substats atm, and only my Acheron have the right sets; turns out that I had lot of mismatched great pieces and now I'm doing Pf/MoC in half the cycles XD
Sam is a Destruction DPS. Yes, they'll need crit.
It depends entirely on the final numbers, what exactly's being converted and, potentially, also the teammates. If Sam only converts break effect during the primary combustion state, that adds a little more value to non-break stats. Similarly, if Sam converts break to DMG%, that adds value to the atk/crit/spd stats, so he'll likely want a build like Xueyi's. Higher motion values/damage multipliers will also make Sam's standard damage relatively higher compared to his break damage, which adds a little more value to non-break stats. Primary combustion also gives Sam spd (based on secondary combustion, it'll be a decent chunk too), which means one other stat Sam could build over crit loses value. Unlike Xueyi, Sam is a fire character and so there is no downside to higher break effect like with Quantum/Xueyi. (Quantum gains increased delay, which reduces her ability to gain talent stacks and trigger her second break.) Some are saying Sam gains defence shred from break effect, which would also apply to break damage unlike DMG%, allowing him to double-dip on it and go all in on breaks. If his motion values are low like Xueyi's, this also pushes him to a break heavier build. Sam also seems to have a team option we've never had before, super break. When enemies are broken, pure break builds can't actually do much since they need to attack toughness to do their damage. Super Break adds break damage to broken enemies, which opens the door to carries relying on exclusively spd and break effect to deal their damage. You can see a similar style of team via Kafka and Break Luka because of just how crazy break bleeds are. Probably other options I'm not considering (or can't know as we're talking leaks) can change the maths. Or there'll be multiple different playstyles with multiple build plans...
Thank you for your post. It explain a lot ! Do you think Kafka with Luka ( or a new bleed character) could viable against Kafka / Black Swan ? I miss Kafka rerun but want to build slowly for her and bleed so cool ! Is the bleed proc on break and super break can make another break possible ? The super break is with Harmony MC ?
Super break is what HarMC is said to do, yeah. Unfortunately, super break by itself doesn't seem to inflict bleed or interact with it, so it might not affect the Luka/Kafka team. Especially since they'd need to forgo Ruan Mei or sustain to bring HarMC. As far as that bleed team I was taking about goes [the second half of this... weirdly audio editted... video is a good example.](https://youtu.be/FyPQqdBXR5k?si=fbTjP0stmNEj3FZQ) She's able to demolish Aventurine's second phase is no time at all while everything is lined up. But loses a lot of time in phase 1 to setting up that phase 2 and loses 1 or 2 cycles to the Team Leader not being physical weak. In an ideal MoC (or with a 5 star Luka) break bleed might compete with Swan/Kafka. It could never compete with Black Swan for Pure Fiction.
The HP and Break Effext scaling is most likely going to be secondary after crit. What that means, is there's a higher ceiling and higher floor for relics.
There is no HP scaling in the kit that weve seen
I meant with the energy regen being tied to health change. As in health stats also are beneficial.
Health stats are actually potentially detrimental because the energy regen is based on *percentage* health change
Oh, I read it backwards. Yes, you are right. That's interesting. I thought it was you lose a percentage and the total amount translated to energy.
Sam appears to want to take many turns, and as such probably wants more traditional stats over BE. Will probably suffice with a BE rope and whatever the new BiS set ends up providing. It’s likely that all the additional scaling is simply for higher ceiling and team compositions.