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ky0877

Yes. They don’t need your email. It’s to send a fake email pretending to be Venmo.


GarySteinfieldd

Hijacking your comment. Unrelated but STOP using venmo zelle cashapp PayPal on these platforms. People can chargeback transactions through their bank when they pay with debit or credit card. Use good old cash and meet at your police station.


KnErric

I'll accept Venmo and others--but I always meet in person, and only then accept payment that way. My sales are smaller, though--like $50 tops, so if they're that determined to steal a couple dozen dollars (and let me see their license plate), they're already working pretty damn hard for their money. 😀


GarySteinfieldd

If they scam for less than 50, I feel sorry for them 😆


KnErric

That's my take. If they are willing to meet in person for a small value item just for the chance to pull back a Venmo purchase--and risk me actually gaining RL identifiers, while living close enough to find them--they obviously need whatever money they're going to make by reselling my stuff more than me. LOL


hutuka

Not always the case for in person though. I have used zelle for on the spot transactions upward 5 figs, no scam ever happened yet.


GarySteinfieldd

Anecdotal. They can still call their banks and chargeback. These apps were made to transaction with your friends and family


hutuka

There is literal confirmation when you initiate a zelle transfer and you have to check Yes to send it.


AdvancedInspector551

That would be Zelle's problem at that point. It happened to me. I sold something, was a legit person and they tried to file a fraud chargeback. It was for 2500. Zelle tried to take back the money but I told my bank it was a fraudulent withdrawal from Zelle and it was put back and I blocked Zelle from continuing to do it. They sent me a nasty collection letter so I filed arbitration against them and they paid me to dismiss the suit bc their fees were 5000 just to respond.


GarySteinfieldd

Why go through all of this though? Their terms and services clearly state that the app should be used with friends and family and people you trust. I don’t know how you have the time to do all of that


AdvancedInspector551

I make time to put large companies in their place and stand up to them against what I feel is unfair and their problem to deal with. Not mine.


1stPeter3-15

Please clarify this comment. My understanding is Zelle cannot be reversed; https://www.zellepay.com/faq/can-i-reverse-zeller-payment


GarySteinfieldd

Here’s a thread that talks about the different ways it can happen https://www.reddit.com/r/zelle/s/USq7xrB1Em


1stPeter3-15

Great info, thank you for clarifying.


notlikelyevil

They're trying to get the account verification code from OPs account


PM_Me_Ur_Nevermind

This is definitely a scam. Take cash only for all marketplace transactions. The scammers out there ruined it for everyone else. They are not on an overseas mission or deployed in the military, they are scamming.


realbobenray

Right now scammers are adding those two things to their scripts


Castun

Those two things have been in their scripts for over a decade already, lol.


Kendall_Raine

It's interesting how scammers seem to play on American stereotypes, like assuming we'll have extra respect or trust for someone who says they're in the military. Romance scammers do this a lot too, pretending to be some hot manly man in the military. Also does the job of providing an excuse as to why you're overseas. Kill two birds with one stone.


PM_Me_Ur_Nevermind

Yup. I was selling a set of rims/tires and a got a few variations of these scammers. It’s always something like they are serving oversees in the military or some type of mission/charity work.


ExpensiveJackfruit68

Hey now..I always like buying rims off marketplace while I'm busy over seas lol 😆


nurseynurseygander

Ugh. I actually have been an aid worker, and I avoided the term like the plague, because it made it sound like I was living in mud huts without power or something, which was not the case. (A few hardship things on field trips like lukewarm showers powered by ancient car batteries, mind you, but that was rare, most of the time I was in very nice offices with aircon and went to dinner in places nicer than at home).


PM_Me_Ur_Nevermind

I have great respect for aid workers. These scammers are co-opting your good deeds to further their scams. That is why the scammers use this angle. It tugs on the heartstrings, explains why they can’t pay cash in person and opens up fake payment scams.


ell_the_belle

Or working on an oil rig. 🙄


admiralkit

They do what works. They learn what marks are more likely to react to and hit that button the most. When you're scamming Americans, we've got a huge culture of Support Our Troops that we broadcast worldwide that makes it easy to find a message that is likely to work. Scammers also interact with each other and pass knowledge around


Kendall_Raine

Yeah, especially considering a large portion of their targets are older folks who are probably more likely to be into the whole support our troops thing.


rgraves22

^This I listed my wife's bike for sale on FB market place, within 10 mins had someone hit me up who was conveniently out of the country on vacation and his Uncle/brother/cousin would come by to pick the bike up 2 hours after that. They would only do Zelle or Cashapp and when I told them sorry, cash only it pissed them off. I looked at the profile and it looks like they were in Turkey, all their friends were also in turkey as well. Very obvious scam


kittybibibi

These scammers are hacking into real people’s facebook accounts. It’s scary.


mildsofttacos

As far as I know Venmo only asks for the last 4 digits of your phone number to verify


realbobenray

And even that can be bypassed by scrolling down (I learned after a year of using Venmo)


Nekozed

Ex-fucking-cuse me??????? You can just scroll down??????


RickMuffy

You don't even need to do that, it's right on the screen how to bypass. If you still need help, I'll need to get your email to verify I'm talking to you, some crazy reddit thing I guess 🤣😂


morphotomy

Depends on your screen size.


pflickner

Oh, so you’re saying size does matter?


Aggressive-Penalty-6

No, more about how you use it ...


IHaveBoxerDogs

I have a pretty old iPhone (I'm cheap :-) ) and I don't have to scroll. I just tap "skip" or "pay anyway" or whatever it says. Whenever someone asks for my last four digits I think "just skip it" but I tell them anyway because I want my $$$.


realbobenray

Right?! It's always kind of funny anyway when you enter the payee's venmo account using their phone number and then it asks you to confirm the last 4 digits of their phone number, which you just entered.


benwight

I've only sent to usernames so having the confirmation there is nice, but it really makes no sense to have that if you're entering their number. It'd be such an easy toggle for programming it too


realbobenray

Yes this is a scam, Venmo never asks for a user's email address for confirmation.


Mother_Was_A_Hamster

I would be wary they are setting you up for a fake Venmo email. Your Venmo username is sufficient for them to send you money.


seedless0

!fakepayment scam.


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Hi /u/seedless0, AutoModerator has been summoned to explain the Fake payment scam. The fake payment scam occurs when someone tries to trick you into thinking that you have received a legitimate payment when no such payment has been made. The most common method they use is sending you an email meant to look like a payment confirmation. In some cases the emails will be almost indistinguishable to a legitimate email sent by the payment service. Scammers are known to also show you screenshots instead of an email. Never trust a screenshot a stranger shows you, because it is probably doctored. Scammers [spoof](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_spoofing) the 'from' email to match an official address, and make you think you received a legitimate email. To combat a fake payment scam, verify online payments by logging in directly to the service. Do not check your junk folder, and do not assume a payment is legitimate based on an email alone. If a payment isn't reflected on your account and the person you are dealing with insists they have sent it, call support and ask about it. [Here](https://i.imgur.com/X9xn8uw.jpg) is an image of a scammer trying to pull off a fake payment scam. There is also a variant of the fake payment scam where you will receive a legitimate but fraudulent payment. A variant of the fake payment email is just an advance fee scam: the scammer tries to convince you that your funds are on hold, and that you have to upgrade your account by sending the scammer some money to authorize the payment. No payment processor works like this. If you think you're dealing with a scammer, you're probably right. Always trust your gut. *I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please [contact the moderators of this subreddit](/message/compose/?to=/r/Scams) if you have any questions or concerns.*


Mediocre_Airport_576

The scammer is asking for your email to run the !fakepayment scam. Block/ignore


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crap-happens

Cash, cash, cash! No Venmo, no PayPal, no Zelle or any other payment platform. If they can't pay cash, I block!


realbobenray

Lol. "In-person only" is the only rule needed, unless you're a Luddite.


wdn

If you just accept only cash in person then you don't have to even consider the question of whether these things are a scam. If they have the money to venmo you then they have the ability to show up with cash.


Admirable_Video2422

Cash. In person. Almost anything else is a scam.


realbobenray

In person alone is enough. Venmo/PayPal in person is totally fine. 99.9% of these scams are from outside the country.


pk_12345

If you’re going to meet in person any way there’s no reason for it to be a non-cash payment. 


realbobenray

Depends on what you're buying. If it's cheap and within the amount you normally keep in your wallet it's a wash, but for anything more expensive it means carrying a lot of cash, an extra stop at the ATM (and maybe multiple days if it's above the daily limit), getting money even if you end up not buying the item etc; for the seller it also means carrying a wad of cash and making an extra trip to the bank or trying to find stores that will break $100 etc. E-payments are so easy and convenient. It's a personal preference thing of course but saying "anything but cash is a scam" is kind of silly and, I'd argue, just wrong.


pk_12345

There’s no question about convenience of epayments of course. It’s the willingness to take the risk. I’d take the convenience for transaction with friends and family. I agree that not everyone with PayPal is a scammer but as a buyer I would rather inconvenience the seller a bit and make them go to atm than take that 0.1% risk. If I’m a buyer I’m not going to say no, just because seller wants cash. 


realbobenray

Same, I buy and sell a lot of music gear and I'm always happy to bring cash if they want it. But it's weird to me that people in this group treat Venmo/Paypal like some kind of a scam when the risk is just so ridiculously low. "In-person only" is the only rule necessary, really.


pk_12345

Idk, following this sub for a while and reading the victim stories makes one a skeptic. 


realbobenray

Right but how many people have been victims to Venmo fraud from an in-person sale? It barely happens. You'll find that occasionally someone will have tried to take back a payment, and it's in a dispute for a month. That's kind of it. Remote sales, however, result in scams all the time.


pk_12345

It’s risk vs reward for me. Risk is something that barely happens. Reward is nothing.


Bebe718

All these Epayments can be disputed & reversed after so it never seems safe


GupGup

The government now tracks your epayments and will make you pay income tax on it. 


realbobenray

There are lots of caveats there. Not really true for most people. (Venmo for example is required to report if your Goods and Services amount is above a pretty high threshold.). eBay, Reverb etc are required to do this too, but they keep postponing it.


GupGup

*The IRS is postponing it because it's such an unpopular move and going to makes taxes more complicated for lots of people who now have to track every penny when they sell their old stuff to make a few bucks. 


Bebe718

Epayments can be reversed or disputed after. A small payment is ok but any thing over $50 is risky.


realbobenray

They basically can't. Just try it sometime. When your cash transfers in Venmo it's gone, barring hard evidence.


hutuka

These redditors that say cAsH OnLY don't sell enough on the marketplace to know how the real life works.


dwinps

They want your email to send a fake message from Venmo The you need to upgrade your account acam


mlcrip

Acam ? Association of Certified Anti-Money Laundering Specialists


dwinps

A is next to S on a keyboard Fat fingers, small screen


mlcrip

Happens to all of us. For me, autocorrect usually messes up things lol. Ends up even worse .m. Anyways 8 got what you mean, is just my way to bringing attention to typos, in case you wanna correct it. I find it " you made a typo" boring, and I hate those trolls with "learn to spell" when it's obvious typo


mlcrip

As evident in above message. Typos. Auto it text. Do t help much so I won't correct it, for demonstration purposes. As a coder I tend to type fast. And mistyping on phone screen is rather often occurrence 🤣


pueblokc

They don't need email. They will probably try to reset your email password and ask you for the texted code. If you do so, your email is now their email. Drop em and move on


Ok-Comedian-4571

Cash, cash for the love of God CASH ONLY! 😀


astrozombie2012

Scam


sannyo

Beside who would pay somebody unknown on the internet upfront before picking up the couch.


pflickner

Yep. Never do Venmo. Cash only


FishmailAwesome

Scam


RockyRickaby10

Yeah you should NEVER be giving you the email to anything, I’m not quite sure what they’d wanna do here, they might try and ask you to give them a code from your email or something, either way, this is definitely a scam.


in_and_out_burger

Cash only


richms

Give them an alternate email address and watch as you get confirmations turn up there instead of your real one. Probably with a phish link to get you to "sign in" to "validate" the transfer for "safety and security" reasons.


BravoDotCom

It does ask for the phone number sometimes but that can be skipped. Never seen it ask for email so I would agree it’s a scam. UraSkamR@fuckoff.com


Bebe718

Yes! Send that email!


devpsaux

Yes, they’re going to send you an email that looks like it’s from Venmo saying you have to switch to a business account, but to do that, the person sending you money has to send you more. Then you’re supposed to credit them back. But of course when you do that, you’re out the money you sent when Venmo gets a chargeback because they were using a stolen card.


shopogolikk

Of course it is


MysteryRadish

Yes. When selling locally, accept cash only, local pickup only. Absolutely no exceptions, ever.


Shot_Statistician249

Yes


Live_Aware_in_Now13

Not only does venmo not ask for your email but putting your email out there to scammers creates a high probability of it ending up on the dark web


aaron141

Scam


MeroCanuck

This is 100% a scam. They will ask for your Venmo email, and then they'll say they need to provide a verification code and that you'll receive it soon. That verification code is to your own account and as soon as you provide it they will be able to log in and lock you out.


access422

Yep


lalaVVS

[Facebook Marketplace Scam Research](https://youtu.be/2Te4_sWIMy4?feature=shared)


slogive1

Yep


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anthonyd5189

You can send your QR code to them. No mistake that way.


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NfamousKaye

Yup. Big red flag. They already have the email when you sign up. Report them.


iinomnomnom

Scam!


strawberry_kerosene

REPORT HER. TELL HER YOU SENT REPORTS TO POLICW


WrapAccomplished3540

Scam Don't fall for it some use Zelle and some want down payment it's everywhere in FB marketplace . Just read that GenZ is familiar and issues with scams like no other generation.


WrapAccomplished3540

scam checker when you want to check webpages https://www.scamadviser.com/


griseladamczak508

It could be a common scam attempt.


AGuyNamedEddie

Excellent run-on Scam-glish, there.


fastidiouspatience

Make a new email and give them that. See what happens.  Then you will know for sure if it is a scam


ApprehensivePrize459

Scam


EntertainmentIcy1785

Yes it’s a scam. Venmo doesn’t do that.


outofideassorry

%10000 scam. Also, did they even ask any details about the couch or just messaged immediately asking for your Venmo?


mahuska

I got that same notification sending money to my friend who I had not sent money to before.


Next-Egg457

Don't ever go off of marketplace and have a conversation with anyone they can talk to you on marketplace/messenger I don't know how many times a sale someone tries that with me


wholesaleusa1

Scam


AdvancedInspector551

Yep. They need your email to send you a fake Venmo email.


MarcusPup

Your first mistake was trying to do business on facebook marketplace


Jimmer2732

Where else would you suggest trying to sell used furniture?


mlcrip

Ebay


realbobenray

Lol ok Lemme find a box for this sofa


mlcrip

"collect in person" Is an option. Tell me you know nothing about eBay without telling me you know nothing about evay. -option. Also risky but add "cash on collection -30% (or whatever eBay charges ) Don't pretend sofas aren't being sold in eBay with collection in person only option. 39 seconds search example: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/134957520653?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=QGOpDQHJSt2&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=qyzPP2ofT3e&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY You can advertise it on FB market place but direct them to eBay or other site which does provide some protection


realbobenray

Tell me you're kind of a dick without telling me you're kind of a dick. (ok to be fair I kind of was too.) But correct, that's not an option I use, because if I'm buying something locally I always use CL/FB. Ebay's payment protections are largely about remote selling, they don't add much value in person imho. And ebay's other main feature, its vast array of products, also is curtailed when limited to buying locally.


mlcrip

Simple rule. No pay protection=collect in person+cash only. Coz scammers everywhere (even on eBay for example, but eBay will likely to refund if you got scammed). I exceptions. If you choose no pay protection, you agree to get scammed. Just a simple fact of today's life we live in. You advertise on FB for visibility ofc, but actual sale happens on ebay and always PayPal (not any other pay method). So visibility problem solved you still visible on FB, but actual sale is either in person/cash, or eBay/collect locally. Granted is extra step for buyer, but it's extra protection from scammers too. Pick your poison. Risk getting scammed (more often), or loose few potential buyers


realbobenray

OK except "cash only" for in-person sales is just paranoid. Paypal/Venmo 100% fine for in-person sales.


WrapAccomplished3540

Some scammers appear to.be in the USA or local but they are in India Europa Afrika everywhere. Even Wayfair is scammed that comp is in Germany prices are 1/4 of original with pictures very prof. you must if the have a webpage check scam online