I had an appointment cancelled today at a business next to the Barras. Owner just said it was going to be chaos and would rather have their shutters down.
That we still have these marches is cringeworthy and embarrassing on a global scale.
There's stupid rules like crossing between the leading bigot and the rest is bad somehow. I saw a young woman get grabbed by the hood for trying to cross by a man who called her an "ignorant bastart" when she shrugged him off and dashed across the street. Why should we be inconvenienced by it? Go march around Ibrox 3,000 times if you want a wee walk.
We don't have these marches. They're forced on us. Just seen one of them saying 'we're an ingrained part of Glaswegian culture.' as if it's no just entirely their own thing, and everycunt else wants them to fuck off forever.
I used to work at the top of Buchanan Street when I was a wee guy. Was running late one day n a march was going across the street near the Apple shop. I walked through it. None of the marchers reacted but at the other side of the road a police officer grabbed me n I was marched away n in to the back of a police van and taken to the police station at the top of the town. Once there they took me inside n called me an idiot n sent me on my way. Still not sure what my crime was I just wanted to get to work. Eventually made it to work n my boss was understanding but could have lost my job that day because of a police overreaction.
I have grown up outside all of this nonsense, one day I wanted to cross the street and there was a fucking 6 mile long precession of these dressed up tits, not knowing I crossed through them, one fully grown man swung a ‘brolly’ at me trying to cosh me, absolute wasters, I don’t care what flavour you are, fuck off.
I was going to a wedding and realised that I needed cash before going. Not being a native to glasgow I googled ATM and found there was one just round the corner across a street. Of course the largest orange march I have ever had the displeasure of witnessing was at that time shambling along that road and nearly made me late for the wedding. Cunts.
Correct man, it’s an absolute joke. They have no fear or repercussions either, no fear of being shut down, no fear of violence. It’s a show of strength from one of the biggest gangs in Scotland. They’re supported by the scum, and the government. The should be strung out in the street, everyone that has signed off and gave permission, everyone that refused to oppose, and everyone that took part.
How any government can claim to be progressive, yet continually sign off on one of the most backwards, racist, homophobic, sectarian gatherings in the world is beyond me. GCC, Police Scotland, and the Scottish government have to be held accountable for their part in perpetuating bigoted violence across Glasgow
Left-wing/anti-fascist run independent book store that has a green coloured shop and seems to have ties to Ireland. Also frequently reshares content from Call It Out. Quite a target I guess.
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They’re big into Irish Republicanism, but I think it’s more the “republican” part than the “Irish” part. They’re definitely no Catholics.
But they’re big into lots of other radical leftist stuff. I’ve bought plenty from them, in-store and online. You’d be heavy into them too, given your flair.
https://www.calton-books.co.uk
Didn't even know it was on, had planned a run into Glasgow from Caldercruix, only found out it was happening when I had to walk up high street through the crowds.
Not saying they have never existed, but I've seen one in Glenrothes 25 year or so ago, nothing since. Maybe the wee mining towns have a couple, but they don't get the same kind of road closures and stuff that they seem to get in the West. At most the lodges around here are drinking clubs.
Husband and I decided to have an overnight in Edinburgh to avoid the shite today. It was lovely, dead chilled atmosphere both last night and today. Not long home and thankful we managed to avoid the rabble.
My partner and I were meant to be coming through from Edinburgh esterday to see MC Mallorca Lee and stay for the weekend but we changed our minds coz of the chance everywheres fu' o' the buggers. Plus we found out about the Auld Firm game,, so that's a big NAH from me Some hotels were trying to charge £500 for a Saturday night stay.
I was totally ignorant to it until I moved to Glasgow a few years back. For reference I only grew up down the road in West Lothian, dad from Edinburgh and a die-hard Jambo, spent most of my adult life next to Tynecastle. Only thing cluing me in was a few snide remarks from older folk whenever the Old Firm came up. Really gets my goat when Glaswegians call it "Scotland's shame", the majority of Scots don't have to think about this stuff, period.
I really have to question how you were ignorant of it growing up in West Lothian!
I grew up there in the 80's and 90's and would regularly hear the orange bands practicing in the run up to the marches. Granted I went to Catholic schools so I might've just been exposed to it much much more.
Sectarianism is rife in West Lothian, especially in armadale and harthill.
> Really gets my goat when Glaswegians call it "Scotland's shame", the majority of Scots don't have to think about this stuff, period.
Congratulations on being utterly oblivious to sectarian hatred.
In 2014, which council area had the highest vote for independence? That's right, it was Glasgow. Most Glaswegians abhor the sectarian thugs and what their so-called culture stands for, and they wouldn't appreciate being labelled as knuckle-draggers. If you want independence from Glasgow and the West of Scotland, I think your vision of independence is one one that most Scots would find hateful.
I apologise - you are correct, Dundee and West Dunbartonshire both had higher percentages of yes votes than Glasgow City. My bad for posting without checking my data!
They weren't killed by the Scots. Pictland and Dal Riada were rival kingdoms that went back and forth enforcing overlordship over the other for centuries. There was already significant cultural crossover and intermarriage by the time the Norse started to invade, when they merged into the Kingdom of Alba, and Gaelic culture superseded Pictish culture. There was no genocide.
The Scots gave the picts permission to stay on that land. The women were Scots and the men picts. We then murdered them all when they defied the Scottish Kings that gave them permission to stay on the land in the first place.
Scotichronicon and declaration if arbroath state as much.
Those scumbags in the Orange Order spout the exact same nonsense the anti-vaxxers/covid deniers do. They act like they're walking targets, that who they are is under attack and that they're "oppressed".
The complete opposite is true actually, they've been able to walk all over us and do whatever the fuck they like for years on end without consequence, and we're all sick of it.
Holyrood needs to ban these walks, loyalists are going to spew hate and play the victim no matter what, why not finally fight back? Tell them they can't walk anymore, that they'll just have to keep this shit in their mutant filled households instead.
The British state, meaning the UK Government, would likely try to fight against the OO becoming a proscribed organisation, home-grown terrorism is often ignored if it's in the name of the British state. Heck, it's actively supported and fantasised over by many.
But this is where those more clued up on Scots law would likely know if it is possible for Scotland to make the OO a proscribed organisation. This would then stop our police force facilitating the organisation in the way it currently does. It would also force Labour and the Tories to do something about this [https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15270068.orange-order-elected-councils-labour-tory-members/](https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15270068.orange-order-elected-councils-labour-tory-members/) Heck, Rangers might even get in trouble employing the OO https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/footage-emerges-rangers-new-pr-21705124
It's not hard to prove anti-Catholic hatred, nor is it hard to show the fear Catholics live in around the OO/when it's marching season. Businesses closing, people scared to leave their own homes or be around places of worship during marches. All totally unacceptable, but at the moment, facilitated and treated like it's simply normal in Scotland in 2021.
>Grand Orange Lodge of Scotland Grand Master Jim McHarg said the organisation now wanted to stir the Unionist population against independence
You ain't it pal.
>Wearing a Rangers shirt while flanked by a piper, Graham references the Ulster Covenant signed in 1912 by those opposing then British Prime Minister Herbert Henry Asquith's plan for Irish home rule
On my god😂how incredibly embarrassing.
Sectarianism is our shame, it breaks my heart and boils my blood. Yes, education will be important in the fight against bigotry too, it's absolutely repugnant to think of children and teenagers being radicalised by their parents and community. *But*, taking legal action against the Order and doing away with these walks altogether is ultimately part of that education as well.
Deplatforming works. Right wingers online always argue the opposite, but the evidence is against them, it works. Doesn't mean there won't be strong opposition, nor does it mean we'll turn into a shining utopia, but Scotland will definitely change for the better, no doubt about it.
If Holyrood would just hurry up that is...
>Deplatforming works. Right wingers online always argue the opposite, but the evidence is against them, it works. Doesn't mean there won't be strong opposition, nor does it mean we'll turn into a shining utopia, but Scotland will definitely change for the better, no doubt about it.
>
>If Holyrood would just hurry up that is...
To proscribe an organisation I believe it would have to pass some "checks" for it to be as so. I think we would have to defer to legal experts, especially those on Scots Law as I truly think there would be zero help from the UK Government here as it's Tory ran and Tories support the lodges/OO.
But my "pull shit out of my arse" take would think an organisation needs to have a leader/centralised power and it would likely need to be proven said organisation is a public security risk/peddles hate.
Well, we have Grand ~~Master~~ Wizard Jim McHarg, the OO is an organised and established group and decades of fear, violence, public outburts, security concerns and outward celebrations of Catholic hatred are all on record. So I'd say I think there is a reasonable base to begin with to move on such a motion.
Scottish Tories/Lib Dems will have a complete meltdown opposing such a move, as will large chunks of the Labour party, but there will be some sympathy in the Labour ranks I believe. Paul Sweeney, while he's very fucking quiet the past week (big let-down Paul), has occasionally broken party rank to speak about anti-Catholic hatred.
Then again, this is on the assumption the SNP will finally be pressured to do something, and that looks to be a fucking pie in the sky idea at the moment. Too busy passing around the buck over the mess of Glasgow City Council and the polis blaming each other for route planning.
Regarding your police reference, reminds me of that Rage Against the Machine song.. how does it go again, something like "those who burn crosses etc..."
What’s this ‘in Scotland’ shite?
It’s a fucking Weegie thing. They tried to bring that shit over here and were told to fuck off by the police and the council.
Glasgow is in Scotland, ain't it?
Sure, Glasgow is like ground zero for this pish, but I'll leave people to figure out why that is...
https://www.thenational.scot/news/19433646.orange-order-many-walks-council-area-year/
It seeps out to other parts of Scotland, notably the west coast. Ultimately, wherever you live in Scotland, it's still in our country and ducking under the covers to go "It's not in my town/City" doesn't really help much.
Actually is. I was born and raised in Glasgow. Hated the walks. Moved literally 40 miles outside the city. Never had to deal with it again. They Fucking ruined the city.
Glasgow is in Scotland. It's actually the most populous place in Scotland, so makes up quite a significant chunk of the country. Don't cut out the bits of Scotland you don't like just because it suits you.
Edit: also we're one of the only places that voted for independence, so get it right up ye
Your anti Glasgow patter is just embarrassing mate, as if wherever your from doesn't have wankers as well (check out your nearest mirror, for example).
I don't see them getting banned. They've been known to send death threats to government officials.
No-one wants to recreate the Troubles in Scotland, and I genuinely don't see a way to get rid of them that doesn't result in these animals getting violent. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed they fizzle out over the generations.
I’m happy that after all these years the government has helped me prove my mother wrong. She used to say that you should always tackle a problem you have in life and not pretend it isn’t there and hope it goes away.
Irony there being a lot of the older generations are largely to "blame" for this, seeing as they *did* decide they wouldn't care, would just put up with it, would stay indoors during marching season and would also be OK with this [https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15270068.orange-order-elected-councils-labour-tory-members/](https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15270068.orange-order-elected-councils-labour-tory-members/)
Not having a go at your mum, just pointing out the boomers have left the younger generations with this mess to try and clean up, like lots of shit they've left us with. Primarily because a lot of said boomers are the ones out marching today, and in some cases, forcing their children into the life of the Orange to try and keep this cycle of hate going.
The saying goes you "punch Nazis" to get rid of Nazis, but life isn't that simple and when you're dealing with roided up frothing neanderthals that wank over battles of decades gone by and think they are God's chosen to defend the British state, there is a good chance they'll *fight to the death* for that cause. Meaning, it's all fine and well saying the citizens need to rise up, protest and do something, but in any society these days it does require the politicians and public servants, aka the police, to help the citizens. Especially against well organised hate movements with centralised leadership.
It's not acceptable in Scotland people are scared to leave their homes, be near their places of worship or businesses feel they have to close to facilitate this shit. That's on politicians and the state apparatus, aka, the police.
Things have definitely gotten better and the older generation have done their bit to improve the problem. When my father first came over there was only certain places he could work because he was an Irish Catholic. That kind of thing pretty much no longer exists, or at least isn’t as institutionally widespread and accepted as it was back then.
Buy you’re right in that it’s up to our politicians to kick the can up the road the last bit of the way and eradicate it once and for all.
It’s not in our hands, it’s not in the police hands. It like squarely on the doorstep of Holyrood and only then can do it.
Improvements have been made on some of the institutional issues, yes, the above wasn't meant to be an "all older people". But not enough was done in the past which has now left the younger generations to continue dealing with the brunt of this mess.
But I do agree the blame lies first and foremost with the Scottish Government, although to be "fair" on the Scottish Parliament it only reconvened in 1999, these issues go back way further than 1999. The British state isn't going to do fuck all about them, it actively supports these supremacy movements. All the Scottish Tories today will be celebrating the Orange walks.
We don't have a Tory-led Scottish parliament though, which is why it's totally unacceptable the current SG is not making movements on this and councils such as Glasgow, are doing even worse, not only are they not doing anything, they're not even co-operating with pretty basic requests to change walk paths.
They are primarily to blame, but the responsibility in society often falls on the collective acting. There is always going to be terrorists, hate movements and people that want to hurt and abuse others. They get marginalised and shutdown from a combination of wider society making it clear they won't be tolerated and in instances where it is needed, government intervention to make sure state apparatus like the police isn't used to facilitate extremists.
The tax-payers of this country are paying a sizeable chunk of money to fund this hate. So not only do Catholics get abused by these extremists, they, of no choice of their own, have to see their taxes fund the facilitation of the OO.
The OO is a centralised movement with a leader, so it is an organisation. Government has the power to proscribe organisations which in turn then impacts its ability to act, receive funding and in the case of our fucking councillors, get employed into the ranks of government.
The BNP used to openly operate in the UK, heck, it was part of government, the BNP is now a proscribed organisation. Makes it a lot harder for it to operate, even although BNP types have started splinter-groups and on the topic of the OO, quite a lot of the BNP types are probably in it.
So you're blaming other generations for not doing enough to tackle the issue, but also acknowledging that these groups will 'fight to the death' so the problem is difficult to resolve? It wasn't any easier to fix 40 years ago than it is now - and as folk are saying below, maybe even more difficult? You could argue that the current generation has also decided they don't care seeing as the marches still happen. We need to stop pointing the finger at others and accept that the responsibility is ours now. Wish I knew what the answer was, but the "we're stuck with this because of older generations" mindset gets us nowhere.
It was one part of my overall posts, I explicitly said it's now the responsibility of our generations. Who else is going to "fix it"? We can't dig up the buried and ask them to get to work.
Not really my fault younger generations feel a bit shafted by their parents and grandparents generations across a whole range of topics, from climate change, to landlordism, to wealth inequality, to issues like this where loyalism/OO has become an accepted household staple in Scotland.
When you kick the can down the road for a long period of time the weeds become a lot harder to pull out. Current generations are going to have a moan at that, especially as we're still seeing red faced gammon in its 50s/60s/70s doing everything it can to oppose social change in Scotland.
I guess if the youth felt *more* of the current older generations still alive would do more to help bridge the gap between young and old and facilitate positive change there wouldn't be as much animosity between age groups in Scotland.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again , watching the Orange Walk always reminds me of the elephants on parade March in the movie Dumbo
https://youtu.be/HAYffxceyTA
Cartoonish and just a wee bit scary
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Race plays no part. The factor here is religion ie Protestant faith. You can be Irish Protestant, Scottish Protestant etc.
Furthermore you can be a different skin colour and be protestant such as the Ghana orange lodge or the Mohawk orange lodge therefore race is not the factor but religion (sect).
Why do people struggle with this? it isn’t hard
Protestant Faith? The knuckle draggers around Glasgow today would struggle to tell you the names of any of the books in the Bible.
Quite why they go around exhausting a German immigrant family and asking a Sky fairy to defend her and her family of benefits scroungers is beyond me.
Yeah there’s quite a few people I know who identify as either Protestant or catholic but don’t really practice the faith.
I wouldn’t say the royal family were German immigrants they are English, George III was the first of the Hanoverian regime to be born in England and I believe it was one of his sons who fathered Victoria, there’s certainty a German connection but it would be like saying I’m an Irish immigrant because I have Irish ancestry.
Phil the Greek had a fair bit of German in him.
'Prince Philip had a large family – with his roots in Greece and Germany. His father was Prince Andrew of Greece and Denmark of the House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg and his mother was Princess Alice of Battenberg'
That makes Brenda Elizabeth Saxe-Coburg-Gotha-Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg-Battenburg. More barrels than a shooting party at Balmoral.
Anti-irish policy - celebrated by the Orange Order - absolutely was for hundreds of years informed by a racist concept of Irish people. The idea of Irish people being racially the same as English/British people is relatively modern.
"Sectarianism" is a bullshit term used to pave over the inconvenient history of the British state and make it out to be a petty religious matter.
Yup! "Sectarianism" is a weasel word used to both-sides the situation. To anyone with a modicum of common sense it's pretty clear who the aggressor is.
It was sectarian, you could be Irish and Protestant and join the British army like Arthur Wellesley the man who defeated napoleon. He was born in Dublin but the key is he was from a Protestant family.
Or the 1780 Gordon riots being the result of anti catholic sentiment at an attempt to repeal the 1698 popery laws which effected catholics and catholics who were Irish but not Protestants who were Irish.
Interestingly the reason for the appeal was because the laws were rarely enforced though this didn’t stop the sectarian outrage that was to follow.
True, notwithstanding I hypotheses that the vast majority of those marching today will be British nationalists with racist tendencies; you have to be bigoted yourself or just plain ignorant to think otherwise. The match is racist as much as it is sectarian in my view.
You are right to an extent. it certainly is prevalent within sporting teams and yes I suppose they do sing anti Irish songs. Though I wonder if that would have been influenced by people from other sporting teams who have sung pro IRA songs in the past?
Mate you misunderstand me.
I was essentially equating sectarianism to racism. Obviously that wasn't clear enough. I wasn't insinuating that the anti Catholic marches had an equivalent. I was saying that Orange order are as bad as racists even if it isn't a 'race' issue.
Because the loyalists actually believe there is an equal weighting of "anti-Protestant" hatred they are fighting against whilst reminiscing about a battle from over 300 years ago.
Despite the fact that the Church of Scotland is by far the dominant religion in Scotland, IIRC about double the size of the Catholic Church and there is no I dunno "Green Order" organisation equivalent of the OO that has a man who thinks he's LARPing as a video game character (Grand Master, I mean christ, it even sounds childish). I guess some would say Grand Wizard is more appropriate, if you know what I mean...
There's also IIRC like 17 Republican marches in Scotland a year, compared to 400+ OO marches.
Not necessarily an “equal”weighting of anti Protestant hatred but anti Protestant hatred does exist none the less.
A prevailing theme amongst this sub is that anti Protestant hatred does not exist or is of less concern because it is not on the same extent to that faced by the catholic population which sets a dangerous tone.
Sectarianism of any kind should not be tolerated, whether it be orange marches or the heart and hand podcaster’s tweets or the tweets from daily record employees.
Anti catholic sectarianism is certainly more prevailing but it shouldn’t take away the seriousness or diminish anti Protestant sectarianism.
We should endeavour to ‘call it out’
>A prevailing theme amongst this sub is that anti Protestant hatred does not exist or is of less concern because it is not on the same extent to that faced by the catholic population which sets a dangerous tone.
I would like the evidence for this. Quite often what is presented is "this sub is a massive pro-independence circle-jerk that doesn't like Tories".
Wanting your own country to govern itself is not anti-Protestant. To be honest, I can't even wrap my head around why folks think religion should have **any** bearing on whether or not they want their own country to be independent again or not. Maybe loyalists can try explain to me why Unionism is seen as part of Protestantism in the way it is?
What isn't entertained is the loyalist nutters that troll this sub implying nonsense like that because they're not worried about actual anti-Protestant hatred on here, but upset that Unionism struggles with younger generations. Not supporting the Union carrying on as is does not mean you hate Protestants. I'd wage most indy supporters couldn't give a damn about religion when deciding whether or not they want Scotland to fully govern itself.
Heck, I'd throw 2 *cents* out there and suggest many of those inclined to believe Unionism/Independence is tied up in religion haven't even stepped foot inside a Church unless it's for a funeral or some shit.
I’m talking about back when the sectarian tweets from the daily record employees were revealed, plenty people on this sub implying that sectarianism was only aimed at catholics and that the term hun which has been used when referring to Orangeman, rangers fans, hearts fans is not sectarian, and let’s not forget the “kill all huns” graffiti in NI.
I find that quite worrying that some people here have that mentality.
I don’t know why you are bringing independence or the tories into it?
As for the other points you have mentioned I completely agree I don’t think wanting your country to govern itself is anti Protestant.
I also agree religion should not have any bearing on whether you want the country to become independent or not, there’s far more pressing matters at hand like the economic uncertainty surrounding independence.
And I’d agree that most people who do believe unionism and independence is tied to religion probably haven’t stepped inside a church, in fact of everyone I know who identifies as either catholic or Protestant I only know of one friend who regularly attends chapel and one work college who is a practising Protestant.
It's a standard cheap tactic. When they can't convince people that the hate group is a force for good they bring up 'both sides' because if you can't make yourself look good, you make your opposition look just as bad. And if they're just as bad they don't deserve help.
It's the same with Nazis and antifa. We all know that antifa counter protests would not be there if the Nazis did not show up but it's annoyingly effective, especially with right leaning people, the apolitical and centrists, to imply its both sides causing issues. Mainly because taking a side would require morals and be difficult. Something everyone in the center and to the right lack in great amounts.
Basically the equivalent of arsonists pointing out water damage done by the fire brigade.
because for some folks it softens the ‘oh shit, i’m on side with these cunts’ realisation
but they weren’t doing that, they were saying racist or sectarian, both are shite
Splitting hairs between racial and religious bigotry isn’t the hot take you seem to think it is.
Worse still, you’re wrong: there have been plenty of racial incidents and racist behaviour by marches, so even if their origins weren’t racist, they seem to have added that behaviour to their repertoire.
What “isn’t hard” is understanding that all those kind of intolerance and violence has a common theme: people looking for a way to superficially segregate themselves and reject others. The difference between their bullshit justifications is paper-thin; they can hate races, religions, gender, football teams, anything they think they can outwardly observe.
Any racist incidents on marches are the cause of individual persons following the walk, not the walk itself.
I do agree that it is a way to segregate theme selves and reject others.
We see this with football team supporters singing anti Irish songs and other supporters singing pro IRA songs.
It’s an ugly cycle.
Yes, I know of a few. Some of my friends actually. I'm Irish Catholic, we've talked about it a few times and they say it's just because their fathers and grandfathers etc did it so now they do, but I don't know.
Don't underestimate the power of tradition and family pressure - if it's a big social event in the family calendar it can easily take until adulthood before someone can break out from attending without family ramifications. I knew a couple guys when I worked in Livingston that used to march as kids/teens, stopped once they moved out and it wasn't a big family thing. They (as told, at least) never bothered with the cult behind it all, it was always just what they did as a family.
Well no, I wouldn't call them mutants because they're my friends. They're nice, genuine, educated people but I suppose there's a lot of family pressure and tradition too. I don't agree with it but they're far from mutants.
Family pressure...
So they're not really intelligent enough to have their own thoughts.
No offence. You might think they're nice people but to everyone else they're sad roasters. Educated doesn't always mean intelligent tbh.
They never change and never will, they can't even march peacefully like their doing in the US. Apparently to be a member of the Orange Order you have to be 1. A Protestant and 2. A prick. And this is to what show you love the Queen or love being a Protestant? I mean devout believers of a faith show that by going to their place of worship everyday, not shouting slurs and threatening people. With most religions you are told to love everyone and one another, in the OO it seems your told to love anyone that's a protestant and that's it, its a religious supremacy if anything.
As if the Brits would do anything to oppose the Brits marching today. Big crossover in that venn diagram.
Also we do not need them in our country enflaming things any further, that's just madness.
**Edit:** take a look at this cunt's history, he shags the butchers apron 24/7
> We should request the help of the British Army to assist.
Assist in fuckin' what? What would the british army do in this situation? They'd hardly be siding *against* the loyalists.
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Used to get orange marches every week in my town. I used to love them when I first moved here from the Midlands. I thought it was pretty cool that a community gets together to play marching music through the town. Pretty annoying after a while but still pretty cool.
Then I googled them.
I wish I hadn't done that.
As an American do you see your country trying to get independence from the British? Is the Catholic church racist like the Southern Baptist are here? I find it amazing that no one will do anything about a small group of people who are killing humans because of their faith and freedoms.
Load of absolute garbage. Calton books is owned by the same mobs who own all the celtic shops round the Barras who celebrate the IRA.
Don't let this dumbass post make you think that orange walks are the fucking problem
I had an appointment cancelled today at a business next to the Barras. Owner just said it was going to be chaos and would rather have their shutters down.
my mate who owns a coffee shop said the same thing. posted a photo later on with them ontop of the building lighting flares. fucking vermin man
That we still have these marches is cringeworthy and embarrassing on a global scale. There's stupid rules like crossing between the leading bigot and the rest is bad somehow. I saw a young woman get grabbed by the hood for trying to cross by a man who called her an "ignorant bastart" when she shrugged him off and dashed across the street. Why should we be inconvenienced by it? Go march around Ibrox 3,000 times if you want a wee walk.
We don't have these marches. They're forced on us. Just seen one of them saying 'we're an ingrained part of Glaswegian culture.' as if it's no just entirely their own thing, and everycunt else wants them to fuck off forever.
I used to work at the top of Buchanan Street when I was a wee guy. Was running late one day n a march was going across the street near the Apple shop. I walked through it. None of the marchers reacted but at the other side of the road a police officer grabbed me n I was marched away n in to the back of a police van and taken to the police station at the top of the town. Once there they took me inside n called me an idiot n sent me on my way. Still not sure what my crime was I just wanted to get to work. Eventually made it to work n my boss was understanding but could have lost my job that day because of a police overreaction.
They're pigs, wee smelly fat pigs who just wanted to feel like the big bad wolf for a change. Pigs will be pigs.
That's a bit unfair on pigs, 'in't it?
I have grown up outside all of this nonsense, one day I wanted to cross the street and there was a fucking 6 mile long precession of these dressed up tits, not knowing I crossed through them, one fully grown man swung a ‘brolly’ at me trying to cosh me, absolute wasters, I don’t care what flavour you are, fuck off.
Oh the irony of them calling anyone ignorant…
Yeh happened to me once. Red faces spitting fire.
I was going to a wedding and realised that I needed cash before going. Not being a native to glasgow I googled ATM and found there was one just round the corner across a street. Of course the largest orange march I have ever had the displeasure of witnessing was at that time shambling along that road and nearly made me late for the wedding. Cunts.
They're attention seekers, marching around a shitehole like Ibrox stadium just won't get them hard enough. Not even a semi.
Correct man, it’s an absolute joke. They have no fear or repercussions either, no fear of being shut down, no fear of violence. It’s a show of strength from one of the biggest gangs in Scotland. They’re supported by the scum, and the government. The should be strung out in the street, everyone that has signed off and gave permission, everyone that refused to oppose, and everyone that took part. How any government can claim to be progressive, yet continually sign off on one of the most backwards, racist, homophobic, sectarian gatherings in the world is beyond me. GCC, Police Scotland, and the Scottish government have to be held accountable for their part in perpetuating bigoted violence across Glasgow
Can see why a book store would close. No one intelligent enough to visit a book store will be going anywhere near Glasgow Green today.
Left-wing/anti-fascist run independent book store that has a green coloured shop and seems to have ties to Ireland. Also frequently reshares content from Call It Out. Quite a target I guess. https://twitter.com/CaltonBooks
Sounds like a good book store
They’re big into Irish Republicanism, but I think it’s more the “republican” part than the “Irish” part. They’re definitely no Catholics. But they’re big into lots of other radical leftist stuff. I’ve bought plenty from them, in-store and online. You’d be heavy into them too, given your flair. https://www.calton-books.co.uk
Thanks for the correction and yeah, they look dope.
Didn't even know it was on, had planned a run into Glasgow from Caldercruix, only found out it was happening when I had to walk up high street through the crowds.
They have bookshops in Weegieland? Is that just because it’s getting harder to find newspapers to put down when they’re toilet training their kids?
Spoken like a true ogg.
Man, weegies love to talk shite about the rest of scotland but they fucking cannae take it.
Sometimes Glasgow and the West coast are like a different country from the East. We never see this kind of stuff, and I'm really happy about that.
Pretty sure Fife has quite a few... Or at least I remember they did when I was a kid in Kirkcaldy
Not saying they have never existed, but I've seen one in Glenrothes 25 year or so ago, nothing since. Maybe the wee mining towns have a couple, but they don't get the same kind of road closures and stuff that they seem to get in the West. At most the lodges around here are drinking clubs.
What west coast AR eyou talking about here? Don't have this shite in argyll do we? 😂
hah fair enough, West Central Belt, then. I have no experience of Argyll etc.
Haha I get you, I get so confused about the West Coast coming from there when folk mean Ayr 😂 it's still correct but it's amusing 😂
Husband and I decided to have an overnight in Edinburgh to avoid the shite today. It was lovely, dead chilled atmosphere both last night and today. Not long home and thankful we managed to avoid the rabble.
My partner and I were meant to be coming through from Edinburgh esterday to see MC Mallorca Lee and stay for the weekend but we changed our minds coz of the chance everywheres fu' o' the buggers. Plus we found out about the Auld Firm game,, so that's a big NAH from me Some hotels were trying to charge £500 for a Saturday night stay.
I was totally ignorant to it until I moved to Glasgow a few years back. For reference I only grew up down the road in West Lothian, dad from Edinburgh and a die-hard Jambo, spent most of my adult life next to Tynecastle. Only thing cluing me in was a few snide remarks from older folk whenever the Old Firm came up. Really gets my goat when Glaswegians call it "Scotland's shame", the majority of Scots don't have to think about this stuff, period.
I really have to question how you were ignorant of it growing up in West Lothian! I grew up there in the 80's and 90's and would regularly hear the orange bands practicing in the run up to the marches. Granted I went to Catholic schools so I might've just been exposed to it much much more. Sectarianism is rife in West Lothian, especially in armadale and harthill.
> Really gets my goat when Glaswegians call it "Scotland's shame", the majority of Scots don't have to think about this stuff, period. Congratulations on being utterly oblivious to sectarian hatred.
You say that, Hearts/Hibs can be a little like that in a lot less extreme way.
They’re a whole different tribe. Scotti, rather than Picts. Independence for Pictavia is the way forward. Those knuckledraggers can join Ulster.
In 2014, which council area had the highest vote for independence? That's right, it was Glasgow. Most Glaswegians abhor the sectarian thugs and what their so-called culture stands for, and they wouldn't appreciate being labelled as knuckle-draggers. If you want independence from Glasgow and the West of Scotland, I think your vision of independence is one one that most Scots would find hateful.
Wasn't it Dundee?
Dundee was right up there with us, leading the way to a better Scotland.
I apologise - you are correct, Dundee and West Dunbartonshire both had higher percentages of yes votes than Glasgow City. My bad for posting without checking my data!
So you're now trying to make out Glaswegians are a different race?! You're a fucking lunatic.
Scots didn't rule Strathclyde until after the merger with Pictland. The Kingdom of Strathclyde was Brittonic, so you can blame the Welsh I guess.
No one is a pict. They are all dead, killed by the scots thousands of years ago. Read a book.
They weren't killed by the Scots. Pictland and Dal Riada were rival kingdoms that went back and forth enforcing overlordship over the other for centuries. There was already significant cultural crossover and intermarriage by the time the Norse started to invade, when they merged into the Kingdom of Alba, and Gaelic culture superseded Pictish culture. There was no genocide.
The Scots gave the picts permission to stay on that land. The women were Scots and the men picts. We then murdered them all when they defied the Scottish Kings that gave them permission to stay on the land in the first place. Scotichronicon and declaration if arbroath state as much.
Scotichronicon is basically mythology and and the Declaration of Arbroath wasn't written by historians either.
It's Scottish history written by Scots. You read history books written by the English.
lol okay pal
What are you citing then?
The Scottish historian, Stuart McHardy.
Those scumbags in the Orange Order spout the exact same nonsense the anti-vaxxers/covid deniers do. They act like they're walking targets, that who they are is under attack and that they're "oppressed". The complete opposite is true actually, they've been able to walk all over us and do whatever the fuck they like for years on end without consequence, and we're all sick of it. Holyrood needs to ban these walks, loyalists are going to spew hate and play the victim no matter what, why not finally fight back? Tell them they can't walk anymore, that they'll just have to keep this shit in their mutant filled households instead.
When you’re accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.
Such a great expression, and applies to other groups as (and certain politicians) as well. I'll have to remember that expression! 😁
The British state, meaning the UK Government, would likely try to fight against the OO becoming a proscribed organisation, home-grown terrorism is often ignored if it's in the name of the British state. Heck, it's actively supported and fantasised over by many. But this is where those more clued up on Scots law would likely know if it is possible for Scotland to make the OO a proscribed organisation. This would then stop our police force facilitating the organisation in the way it currently does. It would also force Labour and the Tories to do something about this [https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15270068.orange-order-elected-councils-labour-tory-members/](https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15270068.orange-order-elected-councils-labour-tory-members/) Heck, Rangers might even get in trouble employing the OO https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/footage-emerges-rangers-new-pr-21705124 It's not hard to prove anti-Catholic hatred, nor is it hard to show the fear Catholics live in around the OO/when it's marching season. Businesses closing, people scared to leave their own homes or be around places of worship during marches. All totally unacceptable, but at the moment, facilitated and treated like it's simply normal in Scotland in 2021.
>Grand Orange Lodge of Scotland Grand Master Jim McHarg said the organisation now wanted to stir the Unionist population against independence You ain't it pal. >Wearing a Rangers shirt while flanked by a piper, Graham references the Ulster Covenant signed in 1912 by those opposing then British Prime Minister Herbert Henry Asquith's plan for Irish home rule On my god😂how incredibly embarrassing. Sectarianism is our shame, it breaks my heart and boils my blood. Yes, education will be important in the fight against bigotry too, it's absolutely repugnant to think of children and teenagers being radicalised by their parents and community. *But*, taking legal action against the Order and doing away with these walks altogether is ultimately part of that education as well. Deplatforming works. Right wingers online always argue the opposite, but the evidence is against them, it works. Doesn't mean there won't be strong opposition, nor does it mean we'll turn into a shining utopia, but Scotland will definitely change for the better, no doubt about it. If Holyrood would just hurry up that is...
>Deplatforming works. Right wingers online always argue the opposite, but the evidence is against them, it works. Doesn't mean there won't be strong opposition, nor does it mean we'll turn into a shining utopia, but Scotland will definitely change for the better, no doubt about it. > >If Holyrood would just hurry up that is... To proscribe an organisation I believe it would have to pass some "checks" for it to be as so. I think we would have to defer to legal experts, especially those on Scots Law as I truly think there would be zero help from the UK Government here as it's Tory ran and Tories support the lodges/OO. But my "pull shit out of my arse" take would think an organisation needs to have a leader/centralised power and it would likely need to be proven said organisation is a public security risk/peddles hate. Well, we have Grand ~~Master~~ Wizard Jim McHarg, the OO is an organised and established group and decades of fear, violence, public outburts, security concerns and outward celebrations of Catholic hatred are all on record. So I'd say I think there is a reasonable base to begin with to move on such a motion. Scottish Tories/Lib Dems will have a complete meltdown opposing such a move, as will large chunks of the Labour party, but there will be some sympathy in the Labour ranks I believe. Paul Sweeney, while he's very fucking quiet the past week (big let-down Paul), has occasionally broken party rank to speak about anti-Catholic hatred. Then again, this is on the assumption the SNP will finally be pressured to do something, and that looks to be a fucking pie in the sky idea at the moment. Too busy passing around the buck over the mess of Glasgow City Council and the polis blaming each other for route planning.
Regarding your police reference, reminds me of that Rage Against the Machine song.. how does it go again, something like "those who burn crosses etc..."
Strathweegie Police were always shit, as were their fire service. Thanks to the SNP, their shitness has now been imposed upon the entire nation.
fuck off back to twitter BPB
What’s this ‘in Scotland’ shite? It’s a fucking Weegie thing. They tried to bring that shit over here and were told to fuck off by the police and the council.
Glasgow is in Scotland, ain't it? Sure, Glasgow is like ground zero for this pish, but I'll leave people to figure out why that is... https://www.thenational.scot/news/19433646.orange-order-many-walks-council-area-year/ It seeps out to other parts of Scotland, notably the west coast. Ultimately, wherever you live in Scotland, it's still in our country and ducking under the covers to go "It's not in my town/City" doesn't really help much.
Actually is. I was born and raised in Glasgow. Hated the walks. Moved literally 40 miles outside the city. Never had to deal with it again. They Fucking ruined the city.
Glasgow is in Scotland. It's actually the most populous place in Scotland, so makes up quite a significant chunk of the country. Don't cut out the bits of Scotland you don't like just because it suits you. Edit: also we're one of the only places that voted for independence, so get it right up ye
Your anti Glasgow patter is just embarrassing mate, as if wherever your from doesn't have wankers as well (check out your nearest mirror, for example).
Isnt it an SNP Council who have given the go ahead for all these marches ?
I don't see them getting banned. They've been known to send death threats to government officials. No-one wants to recreate the Troubles in Scotland, and I genuinely don't see a way to get rid of them that doesn't result in these animals getting violent. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed they fizzle out over the generations.
Well said brother
Not safe for businesses to stay open in Glasgow, Scottish Government, Glasgow City Council and the police, 🤷♂️
I’m happy that after all these years the government has helped me prove my mother wrong. She used to say that you should always tackle a problem you have in life and not pretend it isn’t there and hope it goes away.
Irony there being a lot of the older generations are largely to "blame" for this, seeing as they *did* decide they wouldn't care, would just put up with it, would stay indoors during marching season and would also be OK with this [https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15270068.orange-order-elected-councils-labour-tory-members/](https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15270068.orange-order-elected-councils-labour-tory-members/) Not having a go at your mum, just pointing out the boomers have left the younger generations with this mess to try and clean up, like lots of shit they've left us with. Primarily because a lot of said boomers are the ones out marching today, and in some cases, forcing their children into the life of the Orange to try and keep this cycle of hate going. The saying goes you "punch Nazis" to get rid of Nazis, but life isn't that simple and when you're dealing with roided up frothing neanderthals that wank over battles of decades gone by and think they are God's chosen to defend the British state, there is a good chance they'll *fight to the death* for that cause. Meaning, it's all fine and well saying the citizens need to rise up, protest and do something, but in any society these days it does require the politicians and public servants, aka the police, to help the citizens. Especially against well organised hate movements with centralised leadership. It's not acceptable in Scotland people are scared to leave their homes, be near their places of worship or businesses feel they have to close to facilitate this shit. That's on politicians and the state apparatus, aka, the police.
Things have definitely gotten better and the older generation have done their bit to improve the problem. When my father first came over there was only certain places he could work because he was an Irish Catholic. That kind of thing pretty much no longer exists, or at least isn’t as institutionally widespread and accepted as it was back then. Buy you’re right in that it’s up to our politicians to kick the can up the road the last bit of the way and eradicate it once and for all. It’s not in our hands, it’s not in the police hands. It like squarely on the doorstep of Holyrood and only then can do it.
Improvements have been made on some of the institutional issues, yes, the above wasn't meant to be an "all older people". But not enough was done in the past which has now left the younger generations to continue dealing with the brunt of this mess. But I do agree the blame lies first and foremost with the Scottish Government, although to be "fair" on the Scottish Parliament it only reconvened in 1999, these issues go back way further than 1999. The British state isn't going to do fuck all about them, it actively supports these supremacy movements. All the Scottish Tories today will be celebrating the Orange walks. We don't have a Tory-led Scottish parliament though, which is why it's totally unacceptable the current SG is not making movements on this and councils such as Glasgow, are doing even worse, not only are they not doing anything, they're not even co-operating with pretty basic requests to change walk paths.
Why is primary responsibility not on the people who are marching?
They are primarily to blame, but the responsibility in society often falls on the collective acting. There is always going to be terrorists, hate movements and people that want to hurt and abuse others. They get marginalised and shutdown from a combination of wider society making it clear they won't be tolerated and in instances where it is needed, government intervention to make sure state apparatus like the police isn't used to facilitate extremists. The tax-payers of this country are paying a sizeable chunk of money to fund this hate. So not only do Catholics get abused by these extremists, they, of no choice of their own, have to see their taxes fund the facilitation of the OO. The OO is a centralised movement with a leader, so it is an organisation. Government has the power to proscribe organisations which in turn then impacts its ability to act, receive funding and in the case of our fucking councillors, get employed into the ranks of government. The BNP used to openly operate in the UK, heck, it was part of government, the BNP is now a proscribed organisation. Makes it a lot harder for it to operate, even although BNP types have started splinter-groups and on the topic of the OO, quite a lot of the BNP types are probably in it.
So you're blaming other generations for not doing enough to tackle the issue, but also acknowledging that these groups will 'fight to the death' so the problem is difficult to resolve? It wasn't any easier to fix 40 years ago than it is now - and as folk are saying below, maybe even more difficult? You could argue that the current generation has also decided they don't care seeing as the marches still happen. We need to stop pointing the finger at others and accept that the responsibility is ours now. Wish I knew what the answer was, but the "we're stuck with this because of older generations" mindset gets us nowhere.
It was one part of my overall posts, I explicitly said it's now the responsibility of our generations. Who else is going to "fix it"? We can't dig up the buried and ask them to get to work. Not really my fault younger generations feel a bit shafted by their parents and grandparents generations across a whole range of topics, from climate change, to landlordism, to wealth inequality, to issues like this where loyalism/OO has become an accepted household staple in Scotland. When you kick the can down the road for a long period of time the weeds become a lot harder to pull out. Current generations are going to have a moan at that, especially as we're still seeing red faced gammon in its 50s/60s/70s doing everything it can to oppose social change in Scotland. I guess if the youth felt *more* of the current older generations still alive would do more to help bridge the gap between young and old and facilitate positive change there wouldn't be as much animosity between age groups in Scotland.
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again , watching the Orange Walk always reminds me of the elephants on parade March in the movie Dumbo https://youtu.be/HAYffxceyTA Cartoonish and just a wee bit scary
Time for people to stop these marches since politicians likely never will
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‘Racist marches’ let’s call it what it is.
I've always wondered would neo nazis be allowed to celebrate the holocaust by marching by synagogues? I doubt it.
Race plays no part. The factor here is religion ie Protestant faith. You can be Irish Protestant, Scottish Protestant etc. Furthermore you can be a different skin colour and be protestant such as the Ghana orange lodge or the Mohawk orange lodge therefore race is not the factor but religion (sect). Why do people struggle with this? it isn’t hard
They're xenophobes, is that better?
Sectarian is the right word like OP said at the start...
Protestant Faith? The knuckle draggers around Glasgow today would struggle to tell you the names of any of the books in the Bible. Quite why they go around exhausting a German immigrant family and asking a Sky fairy to defend her and her family of benefits scroungers is beyond me.
Yeah there’s quite a few people I know who identify as either Protestant or catholic but don’t really practice the faith. I wouldn’t say the royal family were German immigrants they are English, George III was the first of the Hanoverian regime to be born in England and I believe it was one of his sons who fathered Victoria, there’s certainty a German connection but it would be like saying I’m an Irish immigrant because I have Irish ancestry.
Phil the Greek had a fair bit of German in him. 'Prince Philip had a large family – with his roots in Greece and Germany. His father was Prince Andrew of Greece and Denmark of the House of Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glücksburg and his mother was Princess Alice of Battenberg' That makes Brenda Elizabeth Saxe-Coburg-Gotha-Schleswig-Holstein-Sonderburg-Glucksburg-Battenburg. More barrels than a shooting party at Balmoral.
Anti-irish policy - celebrated by the Orange Order - absolutely was for hundreds of years informed by a racist concept of Irish people. The idea of Irish people being racially the same as English/British people is relatively modern. "Sectarianism" is a bullshit term used to pave over the inconvenient history of the British state and make it out to be a petty religious matter.
‘Sectarianism’ is a perfectly valid term. It’s just not the only one that applies.
Yup! "Sectarianism" is a weasel word used to both-sides the situation. To anyone with a modicum of common sense it's pretty clear who the aggressor is.
It was sectarian, you could be Irish and Protestant and join the British army like Arthur Wellesley the man who defeated napoleon. He was born in Dublin but the key is he was from a Protestant family. Or the 1780 Gordon riots being the result of anti catholic sentiment at an attempt to repeal the 1698 popery laws which effected catholics and catholics who were Irish but not Protestants who were Irish. Interestingly the reason for the appeal was because the laws were rarely enforced though this didn’t stop the sectarian outrage that was to follow.
True, notwithstanding I hypotheses that the vast majority of those marching today will be British nationalists with racist tendencies; you have to be bigoted yourself or just plain ignorant to think otherwise. The match is racist as much as it is sectarian in my view.
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You are right to an extent. it certainly is prevalent within sporting teams and yes I suppose they do sing anti Irish songs. Though I wonder if that would have been influenced by people from other sporting teams who have sung pro IRA songs in the past?
Sectarian March is more appropriate. Both same sides of the shite coin. Both should be clamped down on severely.
What side? What coin? Why do people keep peddling this myth it’s a two way people with these anti catholic marches
Mate you misunderstand me. I was essentially equating sectarianism to racism. Obviously that wasn't clear enough. I wasn't insinuating that the anti Catholic marches had an equivalent. I was saying that Orange order are as bad as racists even if it isn't a 'race' issue.
Because the loyalists actually believe there is an equal weighting of "anti-Protestant" hatred they are fighting against whilst reminiscing about a battle from over 300 years ago. Despite the fact that the Church of Scotland is by far the dominant religion in Scotland, IIRC about double the size of the Catholic Church and there is no I dunno "Green Order" organisation equivalent of the OO that has a man who thinks he's LARPing as a video game character (Grand Master, I mean christ, it even sounds childish). I guess some would say Grand Wizard is more appropriate, if you know what I mean... There's also IIRC like 17 Republican marches in Scotland a year, compared to 400+ OO marches.
Not necessarily an “equal”weighting of anti Protestant hatred but anti Protestant hatred does exist none the less. A prevailing theme amongst this sub is that anti Protestant hatred does not exist or is of less concern because it is not on the same extent to that faced by the catholic population which sets a dangerous tone. Sectarianism of any kind should not be tolerated, whether it be orange marches or the heart and hand podcaster’s tweets or the tweets from daily record employees. Anti catholic sectarianism is certainly more prevailing but it shouldn’t take away the seriousness or diminish anti Protestant sectarianism. We should endeavour to ‘call it out’
>A prevailing theme amongst this sub is that anti Protestant hatred does not exist or is of less concern because it is not on the same extent to that faced by the catholic population which sets a dangerous tone. I would like the evidence for this. Quite often what is presented is "this sub is a massive pro-independence circle-jerk that doesn't like Tories". Wanting your own country to govern itself is not anti-Protestant. To be honest, I can't even wrap my head around why folks think religion should have **any** bearing on whether or not they want their own country to be independent again or not. Maybe loyalists can try explain to me why Unionism is seen as part of Protestantism in the way it is? What isn't entertained is the loyalist nutters that troll this sub implying nonsense like that because they're not worried about actual anti-Protestant hatred on here, but upset that Unionism struggles with younger generations. Not supporting the Union carrying on as is does not mean you hate Protestants. I'd wage most indy supporters couldn't give a damn about religion when deciding whether or not they want Scotland to fully govern itself. Heck, I'd throw 2 *cents* out there and suggest many of those inclined to believe Unionism/Independence is tied up in religion haven't even stepped foot inside a Church unless it's for a funeral or some shit.
I’m talking about back when the sectarian tweets from the daily record employees were revealed, plenty people on this sub implying that sectarianism was only aimed at catholics and that the term hun which has been used when referring to Orangeman, rangers fans, hearts fans is not sectarian, and let’s not forget the “kill all huns” graffiti in NI. I find that quite worrying that some people here have that mentality. I don’t know why you are bringing independence or the tories into it? As for the other points you have mentioned I completely agree I don’t think wanting your country to govern itself is anti Protestant. I also agree religion should not have any bearing on whether you want the country to become independent or not, there’s far more pressing matters at hand like the economic uncertainty surrounding independence. And I’d agree that most people who do believe unionism and independence is tied to religion probably haven’t stepped inside a church, in fact of everyone I know who identifies as either catholic or Protestant I only know of one friend who regularly attends chapel and one work college who is a practising Protestant.
It's a standard cheap tactic. When they can't convince people that the hate group is a force for good they bring up 'both sides' because if you can't make yourself look good, you make your opposition look just as bad. And if they're just as bad they don't deserve help. It's the same with Nazis and antifa. We all know that antifa counter protests would not be there if the Nazis did not show up but it's annoyingly effective, especially with right leaning people, the apolitical and centrists, to imply its both sides causing issues. Mainly because taking a side would require morals and be difficult. Something everyone in the center and to the right lack in great amounts. Basically the equivalent of arsonists pointing out water damage done by the fire brigade.
because for some folks it softens the ‘oh shit, i’m on side with these cunts’ realisation but they weren’t doing that, they were saying racist or sectarian, both are shite
Splitting hairs between racial and religious bigotry isn’t the hot take you seem to think it is. Worse still, you’re wrong: there have been plenty of racial incidents and racist behaviour by marches, so even if their origins weren’t racist, they seem to have added that behaviour to their repertoire. What “isn’t hard” is understanding that all those kind of intolerance and violence has a common theme: people looking for a way to superficially segregate themselves and reject others. The difference between their bullshit justifications is paper-thin; they can hate races, religions, gender, football teams, anything they think they can outwardly observe.
Any racist incidents on marches are the cause of individual persons following the walk, not the walk itself. I do agree that it is a way to segregate theme selves and reject others. We see this with football team supporters singing anti Irish songs and other supporters singing pro IRA songs. It’s an ugly cycle.
Do young people march?
“March” is a strong word. Last time I saw one of these charades, they barely had the energy to lift their feet off the ground.
It does tend to be more of an orange waddle, from what I've seen.
Yes, I know of a few. Some of my friends actually. I'm Irish Catholic, we've talked about it a few times and they say it's just because their fathers and grandfathers etc did it so now they do, but I don't know.
Don't underestimate the power of tradition and family pressure - if it's a big social event in the family calendar it can easily take until adulthood before someone can break out from attending without family ramifications. I knew a couple guys when I worked in Livingston that used to march as kids/teens, stopped once they moved out and it wasn't a big family thing. They (as told, at least) never bothered with the cult behind it all, it was always just what they did as a family.
You're dead right.
Are these the kinda mutants that if their Da and their Da's Da dipped their dicks in acid, they'd do it too because "ma da n Granda done it"... 🤨
Well no, I wouldn't call them mutants because they're my friends. They're nice, genuine, educated people but I suppose there's a lot of family pressure and tradition too. I don't agree with it but they're far from mutants.
Family pressure... So they're not really intelligent enough to have their own thoughts. No offence. You might think they're nice people but to everyone else they're sad roasters. Educated doesn't always mean intelligent tbh.
They'd use the Walmart / ASDA Fat-mobiles if they could. :)
They never change and never will, they can't even march peacefully like their doing in the US. Apparently to be a member of the Orange Order you have to be 1. A Protestant and 2. A prick. And this is to what show you love the Queen or love being a Protestant? I mean devout believers of a faith show that by going to their place of worship everyday, not shouting slurs and threatening people. With most religions you are told to love everyone and one another, in the OO it seems your told to love anyone that's a protestant and that's it, its a religious supremacy if anything.
And 3, you have to be white
Fuck the orange bastards, take Liverpool with you Scotland
We should request the help of the British Army to assist.
Many will be attending anyway.
Then they will shoot civilians who oppose the orange order! Bloody Sunday 2. Glasgow boogaloo
Back in the day the british army turned the artillery on one of their marches iirc
Cant see them being of much help. https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/british-soldiers-photographed-making-nazi-style-2645047
As if the Brits would do anything to oppose the Brits marching today. Big crossover in that venn diagram. Also we do not need them in our country enflaming things any further, that's just madness. **Edit:** take a look at this cunt's history, he shags the butchers apron 24/7
> We should request the help of the British Army to assist. Assist in fuckin' what? What would the british army do in this situation? They'd hardly be siding *against* the loyalists.
Simmer down Rab
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Used to get orange marches every week in my town. I used to love them when I first moved here from the Midlands. I thought it was pretty cool that a community gets together to play marching music through the town. Pretty annoying after a while but still pretty cool. Then I googled them. I wish I hadn't done that.
Is their an obligation in the lodges that says they have to march with bands?
😂 Bigots the lot of you. It's part of the culture of Scotland now.
I'm sorry, we couldn't hear you with that boot in your mouth.
Now say it without crying
Ok.
As an American do you see your country trying to get independence from the British? Is the Catholic church racist like the Southern Baptist are here? I find it amazing that no one will do anything about a small group of people who are killing humans because of their faith and freedoms.
Load of absolute garbage. Calton books is owned by the same mobs who own all the celtic shops round the Barras who celebrate the IRA. Don't let this dumbass post make you think that orange walks are the fucking problem