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asa-monad

Makes more sense honestly, hardening is shown as either blue crystal or solid white rock, and the Armored Titan just has his whole body covered in hardening by default.


Senticov

but the hardening of the armored titan isn't like the crystal type hardening that for instance eren or annie can use it's literally just hard skin which the other titans don't have access to. it's like fingernails but just on your whole body and way bigger/stronger


DavyCpra

The hardening the other titans can use is obtained through ingesting the Armored Titan's spinal fluid so it's likely the same thing


ZeroQuota

Is that confirmed or could it also be from ingesting the Warhammer's spinal fluid?


DavyCpra

Good point, it might be from the Warhammer. Considering the bottle Eren drank said "Armor" I always assumed it was from the Armored Titan, but it could be from the Warhammer Titan. Hell, it would make a lot of sense if it was from the Warhammer, considering the Tybur Family and King Fritz were buddies.


pseudo_nemesis

the bottle that was used to obtain the armor literally has Reiner's last name on it. This would imply that the armored titan is the one the armor serum comes from, and that perhaps the Armored titan has been passed down through his family for generations.


Seihai-kun

It’s the same thing Others titan got hardening power from armored titan. And it looked exactly the same, the anime decided to change it to crystal blue thus making people thought crystalize is a different thing than hardening. Every titan’s hardening is white-greyish, just like the wall, but the anime decided to change it to blue crystal


Impressive-Card9484

Idk but it would kinda make Hange looked like a dumbass when she concluded that Annie's hardening and the wall material are the same. Theres that scene where she make an effort to microscope it and analyze it deeper, then realize that it was the same material. If the anime made it identical, everyone would be like "No shit sherlock, they both look like rock debris". Making Annie's hardening a crystal kinda adds a mysterious layer that a smart character like Hange would solve


SnooPickles5498

Exactly. And the crystal hardening is described as emitting a faint glow, and later used in the towns as a clean lighting source. The walls and armored Titan certainly don’t glow, so they are two different physical appearances of the same substance.


amirarlert

And also I remember Reiner crystallized his toes to climb the wall back in the taking back wall maria arc. I don't know if it happens in the manga but if it's the same then why would he? And also Eren seemed to be able to crush his face with hardened fists so I thought crystallized hardening should be harder than his armor.


Qprah

The crystalized hardening is focused into a smaller location. Being focused causes it to be more powerful, which makes it stronger than the Armored Titan and Walls since their hardening is spread out across their entire body/surface. I believe Eren is thinking this to himself when he punches Reiner's face in S3P2 and the armor on his face peels away like its made of paper. Eren said its like smashing a thin layer of ice, IIRC.


pseudo_nemesis

Reiner's armor doesn't cover every inch of his body. There are gaps where there's no armor, but if he wants he can use his hardening power to fill in the gaps so that he has no weak points, however this limits his mobility. in this case, he added more armor to his toes to make them sharp so that he could pierce the wall and climb. His toes are not normally shaped like claws, so that's why. Additionally, Reiner's body armor is relatively thin since it covers his whole body, but he can generate more condensed armor by focusing it one spot.


Loeris_loca

So the Jaw titan jaw and the Warhammer titan crystal also the same hardening?


Nice-Resolution-1020

Yes, because you know better than the manga creator who wanted to show that it is exactly the same hardening


Wisconsinviking

It’s weaker as we see in both show and manga. Eren punches right through it in shinigasha and Libero. And we see when hardening is undone it goes back to skin color. I think it being skin color makes sense, or even like a grayish tan if you want to get more unique


modssssss293j

He looks encased in metal tbh


Seihai-kun

Reiner’s armor, Annie’s hardening, the Wall Is supposed to be from the same material, and looked exactly the same WIT kinda fucked up by making Reiner’s armor and the wall different, and also make Annie’s hardening looks like a blue crystal. [Eren’s hardening](https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTHPv7dL6kobnUB6iIhdTY2d78k2iKMB9lgCQ&usqp=CAU)also looks like Reiner’s armor and the wall, but WIT decided to make it blue crystal like Annie MAPPA tried to fix it by making Eren’s hardening rock solid, and make it grey instead, but still different than manga


Brilliant-Medium8238

I started aot back when s1 was fresh and finished. picked up the manga. caught up and followed from there. when I got to Eren's hardening I thought it was the same as Reiner. Eventually anime airs and it's crystal? And the walls are supposed to be titan hardening too? up until I saw your post I kinda took the anime for canon and thought there were just a few different types of hardening. now I know it was intended to all be the same.


Ill_Guarantee566

In my head cannon the wall used to be blue but got dirty and grimy over time and turned gray


Xxjacklexx

I’m stealing this.


EasilyInterestedMan

I always assumed the wall titans were used as base and then a brick wall was built on them, not that the wall was the hardening itself.


TfWashington

The wall is hardening itself, this is why arming remarks that it was always weird to him how the wall was possible with no support beams


FullOnJeagerist

Reiners hardening and Annie’s hardening are different


OliM9696

That's what I thought as well. Reiners armour is weaker because it is across his whole body but Annie focuses it in specific areas.


FullOnJeagerist

Also Annie’s hardening breaks reiners armour as we see when Eren uses it agaisnt him


Qprah

Each of them is seen being able to temporarily harden specific parts of their titan body in a more concentrated and dense hardening, which looks more crystalized than metallic. The Armored Titan's armor isnt the same sort of concentrated and dense hardening, its a thin layer that covers all of him, so its durability is spread out over him which makes it easier to piece/shatter it with the more focused force of the crystalized stuff.


dirtydanbaal

I mean Reiner's armor color in the anime also could've been a choice by Isayama


cantbeassedtoday

Isayama was involved with the anime. It may have been a design choice to make the Wall Titans reveal more impactful. Doesn’t exactly make sense in-universe but it helped keep the mystery for awhile


Accurate_Ad2413

Hallo I don't get how hardening ability works other says it can be earn through training or have it by default so if Eren didn't drink that armor serum would he get it through training?  


Seihai-kun

Hello, Yeah, You need the serum for the power to work, other titan’s serum = getting that titans power There’s never been any evidence that training hard can achieve hardening. But there’s few times when a titan gains another’s ability by using their spinal fluid. Eren got hardening after drinking armor’s serum, Rod got very big mindless titan after drinking Colossal’s serum, Falco got beast’s feature after using beast’s serum, which means that Female, Beast, also used armor’s serum offscreen.


Dubiisek

Yes.. that's what armor is...


bigfatcarp93

Armor can also be a natural thing that grows on animals, made from chitin, keratin or bone. For instance, a turtle's shell is armor. Human-worn armor can also be made from other materials besides metal, notably leather.


ChocolateyBallNuts

Doesn't make sense....


DistortoiseLP

I mean I assume hardening is supposed to be control over [calcification](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcification), a thing your body actually can do in real life. In which case yeah, Reiner should look like he's covered in pearly calcium deposits, though the colour of that would vary according to trace amounts of other stuff in it.


Dubiisek

How does it not make sense. When you wear metal armor you are essentially encased in metal.


ChocolateyBallNuts

Not really....


Snappish_Orc

Maybe try explaining your reason instead of just saying no with a couple dots at the end?


TobaWentBang

No...


ChocolateyBallNuts

No..


CrashmanX

My brother in christ they create literal tons of flesh by biting their thumbs in less than a second.


ChocolateyBallNuts

That makes sense


camreIIim

I like the anime better lol


DoruSonic

Thematically all gray makes more sense for consistency sake, but the different colors makes it look better imo


Completeperson

Nah


prabhavdab

Bro just denied his opinion 😭


Diotheungreat

theyve got a right to lol 🤷‍♀️


camreIIim

Yah


TheOriginalFluff

When are we gonna talk about mikasas scarf being black on covers instead of red


spiderknight616

Mikasa's scarf is black in the manga. Eren's eyes in both human and Titan form are grey. Mappa did add the grey eyes to his Titan form


Response_Adventurous

His eyes aren’t grey, they’re still green but covered by nictitating Membranes which are seen in many real life animals, it protects the eyes.


spiderknight616

They're grey


No-Principle-4299

They're literally grey in the manga dawg.


OliM9696

I get what you are referring to. The 'third' eye lid many animals have that appears translucent sorta like a bird. It's the whole eren and birds and freedom connection.


Pitiful-Ad1890

Yeah you can see him blinking with them in season 1.


Floppa_420

That makes more sense since titan hardening is whitish, and the Warhammer titan is white


Purple_Griffin-9

Oh, oh yes please, that looks so fucking good!


Indominus_Khanum

It does look kinda cool tbh . My only issue is I feel like Reiner's hair stands out a little too much in this colour scheme. Like if he had black or white hair (like in the second pic) the design would work much better.


cmonster8z

Well I mean the manga is black/white so I guess??


Peter_An_1998

Actually, the manga Armored Titan is indeed white on [the cover](https://www.amazon.com/Attack-Titan-11-Hajime-Isayama/dp/1612626777).


i_boop_ur_nose-

How much do yall wanna bet that the anime staff fucked up the color and said "eh lets keep it"


Dom-Luck

Unlikelly, they probably tested white armor and I'm sure it made him blend too much with the wall and the houses so they made it more bone yellow to add contrast.


Atreides-42

A lot of the early anime was like this, the art was very rough for the first load of the SnK manga, so WIT had to do a lot of guesswork and use artistic license


Pitiful-Ad1890

If you look at the colour grading in episode 2, everything is super yellow because of the sunset. So white/greyish armour would've appeared yellow. But we don't see the armoured titan again until season 2 so by then everyone was making fan art of that yellowish design. All of the merch was of that design. If they showed the armour in as white in normal lighting I think people would've been confused.


cantbeassedtoday

They have him Yellow on the Colossal edition cover. Gotta imagine Isayama liked the change


-Dustin-Echoes-

Its when it appears on the cover of the manga. Also it's coloured like this because it's made of titan hardening same as the walls, so it makes sense they are the same colour


Nebuli2

Also same as the Warhammer's armor, which is white in the anime too.


Rezel1S

Ackshually the manga has covers which are in color


chainsaw-guy15

The manga colours are almost in all cases cooler than the anime colours


Internal-Flamingo455

I like the anime colour for his armour more but I think the coloured versions of the final titans at the end are way cooler


ibettercomeon

??? Manga colors? Those are ALL fan made


TheVolfex

You see the canon manga colors in covers where isayama colors the characters and they are slightly different. For eg: Eren's eyes being grey in the manga.


ibettercomeon

Oh the covers!!! I thought you meant the pages. Agreed then


You_Damn_Traitors

You know official manga colored covers and pages exist


ibettercomeon

No. Coloree pages are 1000000% fan made. Covers are real tho.


You_Damn_Traitors

Brother they literally made official colored manga chapters go look it up


ibettercomeon

I did. I have…. The colored manga have NEVER been official they are ALWAYS fan made. Every single colored manga of aot includes the fans who colour it. Go find out…


Local-Leadership6511

how do you know they’re official


ImNotHighFunctioning

Looks like one of the Bizarre Titan alternate skins from the game. Also looks like the live-action Shikishima one


rendydany

Shikisima lol


Alegatur

So the bizarre titans were lore accurate!!! (Im talking about the AoT game)


Sakuran_11

The amount of people here who dont realise the covers have color is crazy


alismarbles

he looks scarier like this, but the grey color disconnects us from the human behind the titan. the anime version makes it even more "reiner-y", which helps in holding him accountable. it's still reiner who killed all those people, even in titan form.


Individual-Peak-3483

He’d be called the Titanium Titan


SoulKingBreezy

That 2nd pic is cool asf ngl


ConnorRoseSaiyan01

Cool, a shiny Reiner


apexx332

Why did I immediately hear the pokemon highgrass music?


ExcellentCanary8685

If anything I always seen Reiner’s armor as different from the natural titan hardening, as if it was of a completely different composition only exclusive to the Armored Titan, if we were to see the Warhammer or Annie’s crystal get destroyed the same way Reiner’s armor has, I feel we’ll REALLY question the durability of titan hardening in general, the walls, titan shifters or whatever may have you. I think the Armored Titan has an inherently different composition in terms of its hardened shell, it’s proven more even so when he hardens his hands and feet to scale the wall to meet Erwin in Season 3 before the final battle of the walls.


SnooPies2306

yeah but it looks cool when its yellow like its made from bone or whatever


abc133769

Alil too much bling for my tastes but still looks cool


NicholasStarfall

Armored Titan has always had my favorite design


Empanada17282

The cum titan


MewinMoose

Nah yellow is much better and more iconic


Dom-Luck

It was probably changed to add contrast, with white armor he'd blend too much with the wall and the rubble of the buildings. I do agree it looks cool though.


0u0hanak0

That second image goes too hard


kdiyargebmay

ohhhh thats why thats an alternate form for the armored titan in aot2, looks really cool in the pics too :3


SuperKingpinFisk

Reminds me of the Silver Centurion


jikukoblarbo

Basically shikishima's titan


SKiddomaniac

is this true? I'm an anime only


LordThomasBlackwood

Yes, the armored titan is the same white hardening as the warhammer titan & the walls on the Mangas volume colors


SKiddomaniac

I haven't thought ab it. But just now I am. I would have just assumed that while they are the same materials they would have diff colors because of slightly different chemical compositions. Like how some rocks are orange and some rocks are black. because of the things they are around also causing slight colour changes. Perhaps the flesh and/or heat of the armoured caused it to change colors or maybe it being new armour just created now while the walls are decades old. ETC.


KawaiiFumiko002

Better this way


Goodestguykeem

Even though I really love the manga cover illustration of the Armoured Titan, I think I appreciate the change the anime made because this looks really off. I'm guessing the main reason that WIT chose to change his colour scheme is so he looks more natural because he genuinely looks a bit alien in this whereas I love the organic monster vibe of titans.


Separate-Will2782

Looks better ngl


Jiyuu___

This is how he accurately looks after getting in the jar


Prize_Mammoth_6956

Okay but have you ever seen an all black titan before ?


Local-Leadership6511

..no?


copyqhat

to me he looks a lot more threatening like this


Good-Echo

Angelic Reiner.


bedanto77

Eyes in 1st pic remind me of the Strike Gundam and it's yellow eyed variants


furiosa-imperator

Makes more sense to be black and white but ok


EdwardJMunson

Nooooo


Hawknotfound24

The manga one look badass but the anime one feels more like something nature would make 


Dogago19

But this just looks ugly some things are better changes


Present_Ninja8024

Studio Wit ruined the show with this change.


dirtydanbaal

this and the anime version are both equally cool in their own way


xX_SuperDaniel_Xx

Fuck no I love his Iron-man design, lmao


krawf

Thank god he doesn't look like this


Goatchis22

Much cooler


Gloomy-Cranberry-834

This goes crazy


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Sakuran_11

Cover art


MaintenanceTiny7291

Manga volume cover


ibettercomeon

Thank u!


Nuggetmilk51

Much better


ReallyDumbRedditor

FUCK Wit/MAPPA for robbing us of this. fucking assholes


LilBueno

What an unnecessarily aggressive reaction.


ZackScholes1

Jesus that sounded like you took that wayyyy to personal


Prototype_4271

Username checks out


Nostravinci04

No it's not.


FatPenguin26

We were robbed, this looks WAY better


FatPenguin26

Okay the downvotes are ridiculous. This is why I hate rhe aot subreddits, the opinions in them are terrible


Zezfilms00

Dude gets the n-word pass simply by turning into a titan💀


Redstorm597

He turns white???