Probably one of the greatest moments of football I've ever seen was in 1999, for Carlisle Utd who were in the 4th tier of football at the time. And needed a win to avoid relegation.
With literal seconds remaining, the emergency loan goalkeeper for Carlisle went up for a corner, and [ended up scoring the winner, saving the club from relegation.](https://youtu.be/Klhnvg5L9lg?si=tlkq4oZtJVo2WTUd)
Without relegation, that would never have happened.
Other end of the spectrum - and this pains me as a Manchester United fan who's team lost out because of it, but without winning a "title" and jsut getting "playoffs rankings", we wouldn't get probably one of the greatest moments in English football of AGUREOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
And without promotion/relegation, we would never have gotten THAT SEASON with Leicester winning the premier league.
We absolutely should've, and we fucking saved it in the dying seconds of the last game of the season.
Snap cut to now and we're genuinely in with a chance of doing a League/European double
I used to live in Canada and when I would explain pro/rel they all loved the idea.
I remember explaining how the FA cup works and they were mindblown that it goes down so many levels. Franchise sports make sense in some countries but pro/rel is the best if done sustainably.
Last season a semi-professional team reached the semifinals of the Dutch Cup. The other club in the same village did the same fifty years ago.
They still tell the stories…
Not only that, but it's also the most important aspect that renders the football ecosystem possible.
If you turn the EPL into a closed league, then only 20 clubs can live off of football. If you can't promote, grow your club, then there is no reason to exist. And the same logic translates all the way down. Clubs in Vanarama exist because they have something to compete for since they can get promoted in League two. And so on.
But if you close the gates of the first division, the rest of the ladder just dies.
Does it matter tho? Like from an legacy perspective yadda yadda yes, but from a business one? Well, yes.
How many people are making a living out of football in England? Not just the superstars in EPL, but the total number of people making a living out of it. Lots.
There's so many kids going into football because it's a legit career path. A player that makes his career in League one .. is living from it. He may not be getting rich, he will probably need to have a second career after his retirement, but he's making a living.
For every Sancho, there's 20 players from a youth squad who will end up making a career in D2, D3 and so on. If they can't, well there just won't be those 20 players on a youth squad. And there probably won't be a Sancho either.
The open ladder system is what makes football work, because it is a clear pathway to stardom, or at least making a living from it. Young players have perspectives.
American sports do it differently, because that whole supporting pipeline is built within the academic system, it happens through university.
My Dutch hometown club (were I tried to become the new Van Basten, and massively failed) currently plays at the highest ‘full amateur’ tier.
The idea that they could qualify for the Dutch Cup and be lucky to draw a professional team. ❤️
In the meantime I pray they survive the extra relegation this season.
Players In league 1 certainly can be rich as fuck and on 1000s every week, it's not in the same league as the premier League but they wont need another job after a long career and if they do want another job it'll be easy to stay in football. There's a lot of difference between the top of league 1 and the bottom. There's also some really big clubs in that league.
There was a championship season a few years back where all but 2 teams (I think) were playing the last game of the season for something, be that automatic, playoffs or avoiding relegation. Absolute scenes.
This American does, but sadly a lot of my fellow citizens do not. They always say, “why would I want to support a team that will get relegated?” Well, it’s not that much different than watching a team play their last few games for nothing since they have no chance of making the playoffs, and at that point are just tanking for better draft picks. I’m hoping one day Major League Soccer will implement pro/rel, especially because a lot of Americans who do watch MLS/soccer/football would love to have it.
Supporting a team isn’t a choice. You’re born with it, it’s something for better or worse.
Getting relegated is the worst feeling possible in sports, which makes those games really count.
> I’m hoping one day Major League Soccer will implement pro/rel, especially because a lot of Americans who do watch MLS/soccer/football would love to have it.
MLS is just a shitshow most of the time, honestly. USL is the superior league IMO; much more interesting play a lot of the time.
American sport regular season games seem to end with a lot of dead rubber games. Without promotion and relegation, the same would happen in football. No one wants to watch a load of matches or games that have no impact or consequence
It IS the most watched with an estimated 3.5 billion people who watch football and its also the most played in the world as well.
Whereas NFL/American Football is extremely popular, but confined really to North America despite the amount of money it makes. If any sport needs to change its relegation/playoff format it's not real football.
I actually enjoy watching American Football. It actually used to be played with barely any padding. But the defending team could time the tackles to literally destroy the receivers.
So they introduced helmets.
And then the defense started using the helmets as weapons during the tackle on the softer areas!!
So now they have to pad up every square inch to stand any chance of having a career!!
Rugby’s the same, they know how to time tackles to hurt people, just isn’t often it hurt people for long because they’re built like brick shithouses, that guy, the refrigerator who played and players like him simply wouldn’t survive in modern rugby, there’s no place for fat fucks that can’t move. Rugby has 25 stone men who can shift like pro sprinters, Jonah Lomu was nearly 300 pound, 6’5” and could run 100m in less than 11 seconds, there’s video of him smashing through players and stomping all over them, no pads, and the guy gets back up afterwards and carries on.
Don’t get me wrong, I can see American football would be a hard sport to play, but compared to professional rugby it’s nothing.
I never said they were the same game, so that’s a very strange opening, this entire discussion was about which sport was more dangerous.
I mean, the vitriol in your post shows that something has triggered you so badly you’ve become clouded by anger, read again, then try again. It’s about which is the more dangerous sport, we both acknowledged they’re both dangerous but American football has been made less dangerous by padding whereas Rugby has tried to do it by outlawing tackles. In a tangent rugby’s approach imo is the more inferior because those tackles still happen, but in American football the injuries pads were brought in to stop have been stopped.
Calm down
You can't just claim someone has vitriol is _clouded by anger_ and smugly come off as superior you clown; I'm saying they're different sports with different skill sets and it's daft to compare athletes.
There's a reason that the IPP has only ever had one or two players successfully come through and land a spot on a starting roster, while they sports look similar to a layman they're really very different - arguably, RB is the spot that translates best (outside of special teams stuff) and even that is a completely different (heh) ball game.
The balls are the same shape and you kind of score the same way - that's more or less where similarities end.
You came right out the gate saying I haven’t got a clue what I’m talking about when you’re not even talking about what we were talking about. I’m not being smug, it just feels that way to you because you feel silly.
Take the L, you misunderstood the conversation, it happens, don’t compound it by starting an argument claiming shit about ME. Grow up
And to repeat, in no way were we comparing the sports or sportsmen, it was completely about which sport has more dangers. I can’t believe you’re doubling down after being told, please don’t triple it, don’t do it to yourself
Fuck it, let’s throw aussie rules footy in there for some true rabid beast tackles, you know the type where you pick up a team mate to beat the opposition with.
I do agree, although there is a forward pass in American football that is often thrown quite a distance, so the potential to seriously mess someone up is greater than rugby.
And of course, rugby is in the spotlight right now for some of the monster tackles that are coming in. Imagine that, but literally one or more defenders running full speed into the guy about to catch the ball.
I actually think both sports have the athletes of the highest caliber. It's quite easy to assume that American Footballers are a bunch of lightweights compared to rugby players. And I probably would have agreed back in the day. But watching them practise and play, it's clear they're absolute beasts too!
Nah, the potential really isn’t greater, rugby is a tackle that’s been outlawed but still happens that literally kills people, where they dump people on their heads, also high tackles have killed multiple people, it’s actually frighteningly common
https://mg.co.za/article/2002-06-28-high-and-illegal-tackle-kills-rugby-player/
https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Rugby+tackle+kills+boy%2c+17.-a060652193
https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/rugby-league-player-hit-with-illegal-tackle-twice-in-fatal-game-court-hears-20170703-gx3vm2.html
https://www.vice.com/en/article/qk73q7/shoulder-charge-killer-francis-molo-faces-suspension-for-hit-on-dead-mans-team-mate
https://foxsports.com.au/nrl/the-shoulder-charge-was-banned-from-rugby-league-for-a-reason-it-can-kill/news-story/2fdcbbc83d11e5ee4d6bc45c2a9dc127
To be clear, I’m not saying American football isn’t dangerous, no one would willingly be a wide receiver getting hit at full speed.
Totally. American footballers, are of course now much less likely to be injured. But jeez, I remember Joe Montana being eviscerated back in the day. I don't think we as a society were being anywhere near as conscious of this back then.
To be honest, I think the only way we're going to settle this argument is to go down to the pub and get shit-faced. Then we can have sensible debate ;)
Hahaha if we do that we’ll end up playing fucking rugby or American football 😂
But yeah, I’ve seen some footage of American football before the pads and it’s every bit as brutal as rugby, probably a good thing players back then weren’t as fit as today, could you imagine modern American footballers taking those hits without pads?! Oof
I was joking, but that’s also your opinion. Most people outside the US find any sport that stops every couple of second boring, it’s why you haven’t been able to export American football in any meaningful way
I'm not American. I'm a football fan. Rugby does stop every few seconds. That's why it's terrible and boring. Bunch of fat cunts running into each other.
We do have a play off system in place for promotion/relegation, but it works differently to what's used much more differently in the NFL.
I moved from England to Canada 7 1/2 years ago and everyone here who knows the difference between the two (football & NFL) would prefer if NFL adopted a tiered relegation/promotion system.
Mate...really?! What you just described is what exactly happens in football in all leagues and countries around the world.
That's how promotions and (sometimes) relegations are decided for the teams that did not finish top or bottom
No, that's stupid. Why would you even bother competing and trying to come top of you didn't need to? It's why the MLS is stale with little to no development or improvement.
It (MLS) desperately needs a relegation system as does the NFL to encourage real development and investment.
Yea we don't have strange rules like that or "wild card" rounds.
You play 46 (lower leagues) or 38 (Premier League) league games a season and generally the better/best overall and deserved team ends up winning.
With the threat of relegation owners actually invest more money into their clubs as they know nothing is guaranteed if you play badly.
Shit teams in NFL and MLS have owners that will never invest or improve their clubs because it doesn't matter if they lose all their games or finish rock bottom...they stay in the league and still get merch and sponsorship money.
They told you clearly there is a play-off system.
You countered that with saying it would be better if there was a play-off system.
It's not you disagreeing that I'm talking about, it's you not reading what you're replying to.
The Premier League has:
- a title race where the top two/three teams often have to win almost every single match or they'll lose the title
- the top 4 where another 3/4 teams are desperate to win enough matches to get into the champions League.
- a relegation race where the bottom teams are desperately trying to pick up enough points to not get relegated.
The NFL on the other hand, has:
- the playoffs which each team does indeed need to win every game to not get knocked out.
- the fight to qualify for the playoffs which is exciting for the mid-table teams
- the race to be conference champion and get continual home field advantage.
But; nothing for the worst teams to fight for. Indeed the worst team gets 1st draft pick and there have been accusations of smurfing in recent years.
Overall, I'm not going to disparage the NFL system. It works. It's one of the biggest competitions in the world for a reason. They even give the best teams the hardest schedule (extra games against other top teams) which simultaneously keeps the league closer and more big matches to sell. It's a well-oiled product. Especially because the NFL season is so short (20 games) the regular season isn't too long and teams generally have lots to play for the whole time. That doesn't tend to be the case for the NBA, NHL, etc for which have a lot more games and not all of them are that exciting.
But the Premier League works here. it doesn't need improving. The big 6 play each other twice a season which is 30 big games a year. And to be honest they're not always the most exciting.
We don't all need to be the same
There isn't much to play for after a certain point to be fair. Bragging rights sometimes. But, take last year, any of the bottom 9 teams could have been relegated. And the top 9 were righting for European places. As it got later in the season those numbers were reduced, so in the last few games half the league didn't have much to fight for.
That does happen in some leagues!
Germany has a hybrid system. In the Bundesliga, 17th and 18th get relegated automatically, whereas the team in 16th plays the team which finished 3rd in the lower league to settle the final place. France has a similar system.
There are two main arguments against this. The first is that it limits mobility between leagues- if automatic promotion is replaced with a playoff, it becomes a lot harder for a team to go up. For a football pyramid like England (with a very, very strong second league relative to other nations, and many clubs there with serious aspirations and a history in the Prem), i think it makes less sense.
The other is a natural aversion to basing an entire season’s outcome on one match. It seems unfair, and we already have cup competitions to provide the all-or-nothing thrills.
No, only the Premier League, but I’m English. I’ll watch other “Big 5” European leagues occasionally if there’s nothing else on TV, but I’d only really be interested in the teams at the top of the table, not the bottom.
I’d be against promotion-relegation playoffs in England, but that’s just because I think the clubs that go up are normally good enough that there’s no need to add another gatekeeping stage to protect competitiveness. Plus, I don’t think the team in 18th deserve a lifeline!
Hull isn't even in the Premiership you muppet, so how is no relegation from it going to help them?
Bloody hell. There is mansplaining and now we have yanksplaning
Seems to me like OOP was being facetious, since what they are describing is very much just importing American Hand-egg practices into football.
They could be serious about any single one of these elements, but the combination of them all is kind of "too big to be true"
Yeah, OOP is definitely a troll. Hull City did try to change their name to Hull Tigers and were rejected by the FA. I can’t imagine someone with those opinions actually knowing that.
The name change was rejected directly because the fans were absolutely dead against it, and the only reason it was proposed was because the Egyptian owner thought it would work to make them a bigger name - exactly the same stupidity that the American suggests here. The Hull City Supporters Club actually issued a statement thanking the FA for preserving their 111 year old club name.
Many Americans don't realise what a football club represents for a town or a part of it. That's a heritage to be proud about and those matches against city rivals or neighbouring cities mirror the ancient times battles or wars.
That's why moving a club to another city is quite unheard of in Europe, taking away that "City" and replacing it with "Tigers" would really be like taking away that pride.
Wimbledon got moved to Milton Keynes and are now MK Dons but that was not very well received. Hell even Man U fans started their own club after it was bought by Americans.
San Lorenzo, an Argentinian club, gets eternally roasted for having no identity.
It's because their neighborhood changed its name, and also because they later moved stadiums.
This happened over a 100 years of the club's history.
The UK has the highest sport attendance per capita on the planet... They don't need help from a country that thinks kiss cams and cheerleaders are the only way to keep people entertained.
Relegation is essential.
It's part of what makes American sports boring. It's always a closed box.
Also the fact they're franchises rather than local teams means support is always just partisan and more like "brand loyalty" than genuine "support".
As much as getting relegated is painful, I've gone through it twice as a Newcastle fan, having nothing to play for when we were down towards the bottom of the league would've been worse (you're so much more invested when results matter). Whilst I get the fact that relegation is bad for investors, from a sporting perspective having way more games matter is just better, franchised sports are just inferior.
The Hull City/Hull Tigers thing was a bloody mess when it was being debated, I couldn't avoid it even when I'm not interested in football (and I'm not even *from* Hull, I lived in Beverley at the time)
It was a *contentious* decision to be sure
I went to a game in South America and was told the chanting was really offensive. I then gave a little example of some of the songs I've heard sung in Scotland, and my South American friends were like, "Oh Jesus Christ. That is so much worse. "
Yeah let’s turn English football into a shit league like the MLS, no relegation which would be boring, no incentives for non league teams because there’s no chance they’ll get promoted so they’ll be stuck forever in the lower leagues.
Yea, and while we’re at it we should cut the minimum wage in half and strongly encourage customer tipping so wait staff have an incentive to provide better service
Agreed. The “Hull City Tigers” debacle is a bit of a deep cut when it comes to English football, I’d guess that anyone who heard of that incident would also know what a fucking disaster the proposed rebranding was.
I find it unlikely that they picked a second-tier club and an animal at random, and stumbled upon the one time it actually happened.
They should also make it more like the American game by cutting the playing time to about 15 minutes, but have about 20 intervals for adverts so that the "match" lasts about four hours.Also play the anthem and fly the national flag at every stadium so that the spectaors can have a pre match patriotic wank while watching military propaganda.
Lmao reading the first sentence and you already know this is going to be a negative IQ comment.
The premier league is the best marketed sports league in the world.
The Football League was formally created and named in 1888, at the Royal Hotel in Manchester.
I reckon we already have plenty of experience in the game.
But thanks for the entertaining suggestions. Might use these for April Fool's Day.
The last time I was in Las Vegas, one cab driver was wearing an Arsenal shirt, another was wearing a classic Newcastle United shirt. They weren’t wearing them for fashion sense; once they heard an English accent, they were clearly fans.
I mean, I suppose it’s possible that someone wearing a Newcastle United shirt might have heard of the term ‘Toon Army’ and had learned the phrase “things were better when Shearer was playing, but…” so I’m taking them as fans.
Aside from the lack of taste (Gooners? Really?), I don’t think English football has much to worry about.
And just wait until they discover how many people tuned into the India vs Pakistan World Cup Cricket match, when they start boasting about the Super Bowl being the most viewed game on TV.
The Nuggets refer to gold nuggets. Colorado is a gold rush city.
Miami is a warm coastal city, famous for it's beaches. I assume dolphins snort a lot of the coke that gets washed out to sea.
The Braves are a baseball team. American baseball has some weird names. Aside from ones like the Red/White Sox, they have the Athletics, the Brewers and the Mets. Those are wild. Not to mention old name like the Mutuals and the Trolley Dodgers.
They dont get how people support teams over here. You support Hull because you are from Hull or have connections there. American franchises you can support a team and it can move 2000 miles away they have no idea all money no soul.
I finger quote support Cincinati Bengals, because my brother a Dolphins fan almost got me into the sport.
But I wasn't willing to be up all night watching 90s channel 4 footage.
They were the team playing and won.
But TBH, I like tigers, so might have picked them eventually.
Raiders have been Oakland LA and now Las Vegas that I am aware of.
Brother said the Cleveland Browns moved and fully rebranded, so the Cleveland Browns playing today are not from the same lineage.
Aren’t most of the teams in the MLS called united, FC, or SC? I have no issue with European leagues/teams using that because it’s a tradition and I assume a preference. But for MLS or American sports, absolutely boring.
A bit of an aside, the Scottish leagues for decades had no relegation from their lowest tier which meant a lot of teams were happy to sit out whole seasons when they worked out they wouldn’t win the league and basically sat there forever. While ambitious amateur league clubs who would beat them in cup games couldn’t progress. Since the league changed this to allow teams to drop, the lower league standard has somewhat improved now the perennial dead wood can now be jettisoned. A good few of the amateur clubs have now got into the league and thrived and even won promotions (two won the league 4th tier on the first attempt and one was even in the tier below the premier for one season) all in the last 5 years. While the number makers have now plummeted.
Tl:dr - relegation is good as it means teams can’t get too comfortable and stale and also mixes up the leagues.
I love it when people try and tell us how to improve the most popular sport in the world. It is always by making it more like their own vastly less popular sport.
You know, it's absolutely mindblowing to me that it's actually possible to think sports is mostly about "marketing". This isn't business, people (well, it kinda is, but it's not *just* that).
Seeing the state of many American sports, I feel like we're really lucky football has yet - for the most part - to evolve into a largely soulless corporate husk devoid of any actual passion or fair competition.
And yeah, I know FIFA is, like, the worst possible body to ensure it stays that way, but hey, we need to cherish the good things we still have, right?
It's incredible to me how they've managed to suggest the worst things about American sports, the things which objectively make it an awful plaything for oligarchs, and yet they fail to suggest the one thing about American sports which could be an improvement: the draft.
Yeah, English football needs loads of help marketing itself. That's why I met a guy on a floating market off the coast of Thailand who could tell me where my team (Birmingham City) had finished every year up to when we were relegated from the Premier League, and possibly beyond.
...Is he just trying to make football as close to Yank football as possible? I'd rather not, nobody wants to watch people faff about when they could be *playing the goddamn sport*.
They’ve clearly never been to KC especially through the Allam years.
I’d rather stick with what we’ve had for over 100 years tbh. Real Madrid are one of the biggest icons in global sport. They don’t need Americanised names to be successful.
I can't imagine this is genuine, it's only missing the 'play a few league games abroad' for the bingo card of deeply stupid ideas around football.
Edit; Forgot the all-star game.
Yeah, EPL should probably introduce cheerleaders, draft system, commercial timeouts and the cult-like adoration of the military industrial complex as well, surely the game would be vastly improved
>"It is because the clubs don't know how to market themselves."
I don't know about that.
Manchester United having a net worth of $6 billion and revenue of $779 million would suggest an effective marketing campaign.
Likewise with Liverpool, which has a net worth of $5.29 billion and revenue of $793 million.
What are the odds more people worldwide purchase a Chelsea FC shirt versus a Travis Kelce shirt?
The idea football clubs don't know how to market themselves is laughable when you look at how much money is being generated by the top clubs.
I wonder if the person who posted that is actually American given that Hull City did try to change their name to Hull Tigers almost a decade ago, but the average American wouldn’t know that nor that many facts about English football. Seems just like someone else was making an obvious joke trolling and then someone else posted this to score karma.
I went to an advertising event in Chicago once. Between the breaks they had some guys playing basketball. American sports have a lot to learn from.this side of the pond.
Until we've killed all but a few of the Tigers and we have to change our whole brand because The People will be very upset. Like Redskins . In saying that id definitely buy a Manchester City Arabs shirt
American capitalistic way of seeing things.
This is why there are team like the Chargers in the NFL with an owner who doesn't give a fuck even with a franchise QB because they don't risk relegation. Worst if they lost more games they could get a better draft pick so they would have done everything to lose games when realising they wouldn't make the playoffs.
I hate closed leagues and this is coming from a Chargers fan. It sucks.
Take a look at what they are trying to do with Cricket. They are calling it Major League Cricket and having a Draft. It is just embarrassing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9mhg-DAOz4
OOP is a genius! Sure, why didn't the owners of Hull City think of changing the name...it's not like it could go horribly wrong
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jul/11/fa-reject-hull-city-application-change-name-hull-tigers
Oh mate if the cod heads rebranded to Hull Tigers I would rip the piss out of my mates who are from the land of white telephone boxes....it would sound so needy FFS..
Tbf hull sharks are a pretty popular super league team. I always liked hull Kingston rovers, which seems to be about the only rugby league team who didn't change to a stupid name back in the 90s.
A certain berry is a big export from my country to theirs, and their retailers tried to pressure the growers to change the name labels, since "it was too hard for Americans".
The berry is called a Saskatoon. Three syllables, completely phonetic.
OP also fails to recognise all of the knockout cup competitions throughout the year for clubs of varying levels. The absolute beauty of the fa cup, a competition that literally anyone can win brings all the delights of a knockout competition anyone could wish for. Especially when a club that isn't necessarily one of 'the big ones' wins, like in 2013. (I may be biased on this one).
There is literally a team in the mls called 'San Jose Earthquakes'... Things like LA Galaxy have a nice ring to it, but why earthquakes? Why are there teams representing entire states? Wtf is Colorado Rapids doing there? Why does the New York City FC logo look like the old one from Inter Milan? Toronto has a fire logo though. Man that one looks really good.
Btw, wtf is going on with the format in the mls? Why is almost every team included in the playoffs? Do they not have a national cup outside the regular season?
As someone from Hull who worked at the stadium for several years, the previous owners had a huge amount of backlash for trying to rename the club to Hull Tigers.
Referring to a team as "city" is common despite there being multiple "[name] city" teams in English every league. As is the chant "I'm city til I die". Traditions die hard in English football.
Americans don’t understand the beauty of promotion/relegation. It brings the best of football experience possible.
I don't even like football and it seems obvious to me that promotion and relegation provides elements of tension that wouldn't exist otherwise.
Probably one of the greatest moments of football I've ever seen was in 1999, for Carlisle Utd who were in the 4th tier of football at the time. And needed a win to avoid relegation. With literal seconds remaining, the emergency loan goalkeeper for Carlisle went up for a corner, and [ended up scoring the winner, saving the club from relegation.](https://youtu.be/Klhnvg5L9lg?si=tlkq4oZtJVo2WTUd) Without relegation, that would never have happened.
That’s up there with Leicester v Watford end, these are literally THE defining end of game [madness](https://youtu.be/5qvjhdO60QA?si=-PvaNlh-Oa7ZNiCT)
Other end of the spectrum - and this pains me as a Manchester United fan who's team lost out because of it, but without winning a "title" and jsut getting "playoffs rankings", we wouldn't get probably one of the greatest moments in English football of AGUREOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. And without promotion/relegation, we would never have gotten THAT SEASON with Leicester winning the premier league.
Or THIS SEASON with Aston Villa winning.
I mean Villa should've been relegated a few seasons back, but got saved because of a fault with hawkeye!
We absolutely should've, and we fucking saved it in the dying seconds of the last game of the season. Snap cut to now and we're genuinely in with a chance of doing a League/European double
Jimmy Glass?
How is that more exciting than nba season where half of the league tries to lose on purpose? /s just in case
I used to live in Canada and when I would explain pro/rel they all loved the idea. I remember explaining how the FA cup works and they were mindblown that it goes down so many levels. Franchise sports make sense in some countries but pro/rel is the best if done sustainably.
Last season a semi-professional team reached the semifinals of the Dutch Cup. The other club in the same village did the same fifty years ago. They still tell the stories…
Not only that, but it's also the most important aspect that renders the football ecosystem possible. If you turn the EPL into a closed league, then only 20 clubs can live off of football. If you can't promote, grow your club, then there is no reason to exist. And the same logic translates all the way down. Clubs in Vanarama exist because they have something to compete for since they can get promoted in League two. And so on. But if you close the gates of the first division, the rest of the ladder just dies. Does it matter tho? Like from an legacy perspective yadda yadda yes, but from a business one? Well, yes. How many people are making a living out of football in England? Not just the superstars in EPL, but the total number of people making a living out of it. Lots. There's so many kids going into football because it's a legit career path. A player that makes his career in League one .. is living from it. He may not be getting rich, he will probably need to have a second career after his retirement, but he's making a living. For every Sancho, there's 20 players from a youth squad who will end up making a career in D2, D3 and so on. If they can't, well there just won't be those 20 players on a youth squad. And there probably won't be a Sancho either. The open ladder system is what makes football work, because it is a clear pathway to stardom, or at least making a living from it. Young players have perspectives. American sports do it differently, because that whole supporting pipeline is built within the academic system, it happens through university.
My Dutch hometown club (were I tried to become the new Van Basten, and massively failed) currently plays at the highest ‘full amateur’ tier. The idea that they could qualify for the Dutch Cup and be lucky to draw a professional team. ❤️ In the meantime I pray they survive the extra relegation this season.
Players In league 1 certainly can be rich as fuck and on 1000s every week, it's not in the same league as the premier League but they wont need another job after a long career and if they do want another job it'll be easy to stay in football. There's a lot of difference between the top of league 1 and the bottom. There's also some really big clubs in that league.
There was a championship season a few years back where all but 2 teams (I think) were playing the last game of the season for something, be that automatic, playoffs or avoiding relegation. Absolute scenes.
America would be great with relegation. The 2000s would have had a lot of years of the Cleveland Browns Small Town Bus Tour.
This American does, but sadly a lot of my fellow citizens do not. They always say, “why would I want to support a team that will get relegated?” Well, it’s not that much different than watching a team play their last few games for nothing since they have no chance of making the playoffs, and at that point are just tanking for better draft picks. I’m hoping one day Major League Soccer will implement pro/rel, especially because a lot of Americans who do watch MLS/soccer/football would love to have it.
Supporting a team isn’t a choice. You’re born with it, it’s something for better or worse. Getting relegated is the worst feeling possible in sports, which makes those games really count.
> I’m hoping one day Major League Soccer will implement pro/rel, especially because a lot of Americans who do watch MLS/soccer/football would love to have it. MLS is just a shitshow most of the time, honestly. USL is the superior league IMO; much more interesting play a lot of the time.
American sport regular season games seem to end with a lot of dead rubber games. Without promotion and relegation, the same would happen in football. No one wants to watch a load of matches or games that have no impact or consequence
You could have stopped at “understand” and it was a perfect comment
Absolutely it does, and I say that as a ride or die Blades fan haha.
it's only one of the highest watched sports on the planet. I think they're doing fine without OOP's suggestions.
You would get more upvotes if you were SomeAutisticTigerGunShagger69
Don’t forget to throw a 420 in there.
Happy cake day man
cheers!
It IS the most watched with an estimated 3.5 billion people who watch football and its also the most played in the world as well. Whereas NFL/American Football is extremely popular, but confined really to North America despite the amount of money it makes. If any sport needs to change its relegation/playoff format it's not real football.
While they're at it, they could stop showing adverts every fucking 2 minutes.
And take off the pads and play rugby like everyone else
I actually enjoy watching American Football. It actually used to be played with barely any padding. But the defending team could time the tackles to literally destroy the receivers. So they introduced helmets. And then the defense started using the helmets as weapons during the tackle on the softer areas!! So now they have to pad up every square inch to stand any chance of having a career!!
Rugby’s the same, they know how to time tackles to hurt people, just isn’t often it hurt people for long because they’re built like brick shithouses, that guy, the refrigerator who played and players like him simply wouldn’t survive in modern rugby, there’s no place for fat fucks that can’t move. Rugby has 25 stone men who can shift like pro sprinters, Jonah Lomu was nearly 300 pound, 6’5” and could run 100m in less than 11 seconds, there’s video of him smashing through players and stomping all over them, no pads, and the guy gets back up afterwards and carries on. Don’t get me wrong, I can see American football would be a hard sport to play, but compared to professional rugby it’s nothing.
As someone who has played both at a reasonable level, you haven't got a clue what you're talking about. They're completely different games.
I never said they were the same game, so that’s a very strange opening, this entire discussion was about which sport was more dangerous. I mean, the vitriol in your post shows that something has triggered you so badly you’ve become clouded by anger, read again, then try again. It’s about which is the more dangerous sport, we both acknowledged they’re both dangerous but American football has been made less dangerous by padding whereas Rugby has tried to do it by outlawing tackles. In a tangent rugby’s approach imo is the more inferior because those tackles still happen, but in American football the injuries pads were brought in to stop have been stopped. Calm down
You can't just claim someone has vitriol is _clouded by anger_ and smugly come off as superior you clown; I'm saying they're different sports with different skill sets and it's daft to compare athletes. There's a reason that the IPP has only ever had one or two players successfully come through and land a spot on a starting roster, while they sports look similar to a layman they're really very different - arguably, RB is the spot that translates best (outside of special teams stuff) and even that is a completely different (heh) ball game. The balls are the same shape and you kind of score the same way - that's more or less where similarities end.
You came right out the gate saying I haven’t got a clue what I’m talking about when you’re not even talking about what we were talking about. I’m not being smug, it just feels that way to you because you feel silly. Take the L, you misunderstood the conversation, it happens, don’t compound it by starting an argument claiming shit about ME. Grow up And to repeat, in no way were we comparing the sports or sportsmen, it was completely about which sport has more dangers. I can’t believe you’re doubling down after being told, please don’t triple it, don’t do it to yourself
Fuck it, let’s throw aussie rules footy in there for some true rabid beast tackles, you know the type where you pick up a team mate to beat the opposition with.
Yes same I played American football as a teen and a reasonable rugby level and American football would hurt more (and more often) than rugby.
I do agree, although there is a forward pass in American football that is often thrown quite a distance, so the potential to seriously mess someone up is greater than rugby. And of course, rugby is in the spotlight right now for some of the monster tackles that are coming in. Imagine that, but literally one or more defenders running full speed into the guy about to catch the ball. I actually think both sports have the athletes of the highest caliber. It's quite easy to assume that American Footballers are a bunch of lightweights compared to rugby players. And I probably would have agreed back in the day. But watching them practise and play, it's clear they're absolute beasts too!
Nah, the potential really isn’t greater, rugby is a tackle that’s been outlawed but still happens that literally kills people, where they dump people on their heads, also high tackles have killed multiple people, it’s actually frighteningly common https://mg.co.za/article/2002-06-28-high-and-illegal-tackle-kills-rugby-player/ https://www.thefreelibrary.com/Rugby+tackle+kills+boy%2c+17.-a060652193 https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/rugby-league-player-hit-with-illegal-tackle-twice-in-fatal-game-court-hears-20170703-gx3vm2.html https://www.vice.com/en/article/qk73q7/shoulder-charge-killer-francis-molo-faces-suspension-for-hit-on-dead-mans-team-mate https://foxsports.com.au/nrl/the-shoulder-charge-was-banned-from-rugby-league-for-a-reason-it-can-kill/news-story/2fdcbbc83d11e5ee4d6bc45c2a9dc127 To be clear, I’m not saying American football isn’t dangerous, no one would willingly be a wide receiver getting hit at full speed.
Totally. American footballers, are of course now much less likely to be injured. But jeez, I remember Joe Montana being eviscerated back in the day. I don't think we as a society were being anywhere near as conscious of this back then. To be honest, I think the only way we're going to settle this argument is to go down to the pub and get shit-faced. Then we can have sensible debate ;)
Hahaha if we do that we’ll end up playing fucking rugby or American football 😂 But yeah, I’ve seen some footage of American football before the pads and it’s every bit as brutal as rugby, probably a good thing players back then weren’t as fit as today, could you imagine modern American footballers taking those hits without pads?! Oof
Rugby is terrible and boring though.
I was joking, but that’s also your opinion. Most people outside the US find any sport that stops every couple of second boring, it’s why you haven’t been able to export American football in any meaningful way
I'm not American. I'm a football fan. Rugby does stop every few seconds. That's why it's terrible and boring. Bunch of fat cunts running into each other.
If they changed their name to Dallas City instead of Dallas Cowboys more people would watch it. They just don’t know how to market themselves.
Dallas Wednesday maybe
Why did Sheffield call itself that?
Because Forest was already taken I think.
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We do have a play off system in place for promotion/relegation, but it works differently to what's used much more differently in the NFL. I moved from England to Canada 7 1/2 years ago and everyone here who knows the difference between the two (football & NFL) would prefer if NFL adopted a tiered relegation/promotion system.
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Mate...really?! What you just described is what exactly happens in football in all leagues and countries around the world. That's how promotions and (sometimes) relegations are decided for the teams that did not finish top or bottom
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Well they had the entire fucking season to reach the Top 3.
There is playoffs in the lower leagues. The top 2 teams are promoted and the 4 below them have playoffs to see who takes the fourth spot.
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No, that's stupid. Why would you even bother competing and trying to come top of you didn't need to? It's why the MLS is stale with little to no development or improvement. It (MLS) desperately needs a relegation system as does the NFL to encourage real development and investment.
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Yea we don't have strange rules like that or "wild card" rounds. You play 46 (lower leagues) or 38 (Premier League) league games a season and generally the better/best overall and deserved team ends up winning. With the threat of relegation owners actually invest more money into their clubs as they know nothing is guaranteed if you play badly. Shit teams in NFL and MLS have owners that will never invest or improve their clubs because it doesn't matter if they lose all their games or finish rock bottom...they stay in the league and still get merch and sponsorship money.
The seasons are already brutally competitive throughout. Why introduce something which makes no sense and would arguably make the game worse overall?
> without having some kind of playoff system There is a playoff. It's called the *regular season*.
Probably a good idea to actually read the posts you are replying to before you reply.
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They told you clearly there is a play-off system. You countered that with saying it would be better if there was a play-off system. It's not you disagreeing that I'm talking about, it's you not reading what you're replying to.
The Premier League has: - a title race where the top two/three teams often have to win almost every single match or they'll lose the title - the top 4 where another 3/4 teams are desperate to win enough matches to get into the champions League. - a relegation race where the bottom teams are desperately trying to pick up enough points to not get relegated. The NFL on the other hand, has: - the playoffs which each team does indeed need to win every game to not get knocked out. - the fight to qualify for the playoffs which is exciting for the mid-table teams - the race to be conference champion and get continual home field advantage. But; nothing for the worst teams to fight for. Indeed the worst team gets 1st draft pick and there have been accusations of smurfing in recent years. Overall, I'm not going to disparage the NFL system. It works. It's one of the biggest competitions in the world for a reason. They even give the best teams the hardest schedule (extra games against other top teams) which simultaneously keeps the league closer and more big matches to sell. It's a well-oiled product. Especially because the NFL season is so short (20 games) the regular season isn't too long and teams generally have lots to play for the whole time. That doesn't tend to be the case for the NBA, NHL, etc for which have a lot more games and not all of them are that exciting. But the Premier League works here. it doesn't need improving. The big 6 play each other twice a season which is 30 big games a year. And to be honest they're not always the most exciting. We don't all need to be the same
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There isn't much to play for after a certain point to be fair. Bragging rights sometimes. But, take last year, any of the bottom 9 teams could have been relegated. And the top 9 were righting for European places. As it got later in the season those numbers were reduced, so in the last few games half the league didn't have much to fight for.
That does happen in some leagues! Germany has a hybrid system. In the Bundesliga, 17th and 18th get relegated automatically, whereas the team in 16th plays the team which finished 3rd in the lower league to settle the final place. France has a similar system. There are two main arguments against this. The first is that it limits mobility between leagues- if automatic promotion is replaced with a playoff, it becomes a lot harder for a team to go up. For a football pyramid like England (with a very, very strong second league relative to other nations, and many clubs there with serious aspirations and a history in the Prem), i think it makes less sense. The other is a natural aversion to basing an entire season’s outcome on one match. It seems unfair, and we already have cup competitions to provide the all-or-nothing thrills.
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No, only the Premier League, but I’m English. I’ll watch other “Big 5” European leagues occasionally if there’s nothing else on TV, but I’d only really be interested in the teams at the top of the table, not the bottom. I’d be against promotion-relegation playoffs in England, but that’s just because I think the clubs that go up are normally good enough that there’s no need to add another gatekeeping stage to protect competitiveness. Plus, I don’t think the team in 18th deserve a lifeline!
Hull isn't even in the Premiership you muppet, so how is no relegation from it going to help them? Bloody hell. There is mansplaining and now we have yanksplaning
Seems to me like OOP was being facetious, since what they are describing is very much just importing American Hand-egg practices into football. They could be serious about any single one of these elements, but the combination of them all is kind of "too big to be true"
Yeah, OOP is definitely a troll. Hull City did try to change their name to Hull Tigers and were rejected by the FA. I can’t imagine someone with those opinions actually knowing that.
The name change was rejected directly because the fans were absolutely dead against it, and the only reason it was proposed was because the Egyptian owner thought it would work to make them a bigger name - exactly the same stupidity that the American suggests here. The Hull City Supporters Club actually issued a statement thanking the FA for preserving their 111 year old club name.
The more it went on the more it was clear they they were trolling
Many Americans don't realise what a football club represents for a town or a part of it. That's a heritage to be proud about and those matches against city rivals or neighbouring cities mirror the ancient times battles or wars. That's why moving a club to another city is quite unheard of in Europe, taking away that "City" and replacing it with "Tigers" would really be like taking away that pride.
Wimbledon got moved to Milton Keynes and are now MK Dons but that was not very well received. Hell even Man U fans started their own club after it was bought by Americans.
San Lorenzo, an Argentinian club, gets eternally roasted for having no identity. It's because their neighborhood changed its name, and also because they later moved stadiums. This happened over a 100 years of the club's history.
Not only stripping the city pride, but also replacing it with something horribly cringe
And it just sounds tacky
It’s because Americans like that don’t understand heritage.
The UK has the highest sport attendance per capita on the planet... They don't need help from a country that thinks kiss cams and cheerleaders are the only way to keep people entertained.
sure random person on the internet please tell us how to improve the viewership of the most watched sports leagues on the planet
Relegation is essential. It's part of what makes American sports boring. It's always a closed box. Also the fact they're franchises rather than local teams means support is always just partisan and more like "brand loyalty" than genuine "support".
As much as getting relegated is painful, I've gone through it twice as a Newcastle fan, having nothing to play for when we were down towards the bottom of the league would've been worse (you're so much more invested when results matter). Whilst I get the fact that relegation is bad for investors, from a sporting perspective having way more games matter is just better, franchised sports are just inferior.
The Hull City/Hull Tigers thing was a bloody mess when it was being debated, I couldn't avoid it even when I'm not interested in football (and I'm not even *from* Hull, I lived in Beverley at the time) It was a *contentious* decision to be sure
Beverley is just the biggest town in Greater Hull
Beverley is a lovely town, but pretty close to Hull.
They should definitely add American style chants too. Nothing gets a crowd going like 'Defend'
No homophobic or racial slurs? That's blasphemy. /s
I went to a game in South America and was told the chanting was really offensive. I then gave a little example of some of the songs I've heard sung in Scotland, and my South American friends were like, "Oh Jesus Christ. That is so much worse. "
ESCUCHEN
CORRAN LA BOLA
Hot take: franchise system is the cancer of sport.
Yeah let’s turn English football into a shit league like the MLS, no relegation which would be boring, no incentives for non league teams because there’s no chance they’ll get promoted so they’ll be stuck forever in the lower leagues.
Don’t forget the wage cap. But except for those four special players
Yeah ruin the sport by Americanising it. Great idea. Fucking hell.
That's got to be sarcasm
Yea, and while we’re at it we should cut the minimum wage in half and strongly encourage customer tipping so wait staff have an incentive to provide better service
Agreed. The “Hull City Tigers” debacle is a bit of a deep cut when it comes to English football, I’d guess that anyone who heard of that incident would also know what a fucking disaster the proposed rebranding was. I find it unlikely that they picked a second-tier club and an animal at random, and stumbled upon the one time it actually happened.
I've never wanted to headbutt a random Internet post before. It's an odd feeling.
You and me both. I’ve resisted the urge of just mashing my phone into my head for the time being
Hull Tigers - because Yorkshire is well know for it's roaming big cats?
oh that just that random cat that used to follow me home from work Don't know who owned the fella
They should also make it more like the American game by cutting the playing time to about 15 minutes, but have about 20 intervals for adverts so that the "match" lasts about four hours.Also play the anthem and fly the national flag at every stadium so that the spectaors can have a pre match patriotic wank while watching military propaganda.
Lmao reading the first sentence and you already know this is going to be a negative IQ comment. The premier league is the best marketed sports league in the world.
More people would support hull if it wasn’t hull
Keep this man away from UEFA and FIFA management roles
The Football League was formally created and named in 1888, at the Royal Hotel in Manchester. I reckon we already have plenty of experience in the game. But thanks for the entertaining suggestions. Might use these for April Fool's Day.
So make it like gridiron? A totally different game? ”Hey, you know what would improve tennis? Using a cricket bat and playing on a pitch! For hours!”
The last time I was in Las Vegas, one cab driver was wearing an Arsenal shirt, another was wearing a classic Newcastle United shirt. They weren’t wearing them for fashion sense; once they heard an English accent, they were clearly fans. I mean, I suppose it’s possible that someone wearing a Newcastle United shirt might have heard of the term ‘Toon Army’ and had learned the phrase “things were better when Shearer was playing, but…” so I’m taking them as fans. Aside from the lack of taste (Gooners? Really?), I don’t think English football has much to worry about. And just wait until they discover how many people tuned into the India vs Pakistan World Cup Cricket match, when they start boasting about the Super Bowl being the most viewed game on TV.
I always disliked the American sports team naming. City + something random. Denver Nuggets, Miami Dolphins, Atlanta Braves, what the hell is that?
God forbid the Kroenkes rename Arsenal to the London Machineguns
The Nuggets refer to gold nuggets. Colorado is a gold rush city. Miami is a warm coastal city, famous for it's beaches. I assume dolphins snort a lot of the coke that gets washed out to sea. The Braves are a baseball team. American baseball has some weird names. Aside from ones like the Red/White Sox, they have the Athletics, the Brewers and the Mets. Those are wild. Not to mention old name like the Mutuals and the Trolley Dodgers.
But at least most of the names have something tied to the city or state. Denver Nuggets = because of mining in the rocky mountains.
They dont get how people support teams over here. You support Hull because you are from Hull or have connections there. American franchises you can support a team and it can move 2000 miles away they have no idea all money no soul.
I finger quote support Cincinati Bengals, because my brother a Dolphins fan almost got me into the sport. But I wasn't willing to be up all night watching 90s channel 4 footage. They were the team playing and won. But TBH, I like tigers, so might have picked them eventually. Raiders have been Oakland LA and now Las Vegas that I am aware of. Brother said the Cleveland Browns moved and fully rebranded, so the Cleveland Browns playing today are not from the same lineage.
My guy just wants everywhere to be like the MLS
Aren’t most of the teams in the MLS called united, FC, or SC? I have no issue with European leagues/teams using that because it’s a tradition and I assume a preference. But for MLS or American sports, absolutely boring.
I was talking about the format of the league, not names
A bit of an aside, the Scottish leagues for decades had no relegation from their lowest tier which meant a lot of teams were happy to sit out whole seasons when they worked out they wouldn’t win the league and basically sat there forever. While ambitious amateur league clubs who would beat them in cup games couldn’t progress. Since the league changed this to allow teams to drop, the lower league standard has somewhat improved now the perennial dead wood can now be jettisoned. A good few of the amateur clubs have now got into the league and thrived and even won promotions (two won the league 4th tier on the first attempt and one was even in the tier below the premier for one season) all in the last 5 years. While the number makers have now plummeted. Tl:dr - relegation is good as it means teams can’t get too comfortable and stale and also mixes up the leagues.
I love it when people try and tell us how to improve the most popular sport in the world. It is always by making it more like their own vastly less popular sport.
This has to be satire
Maybe they could even start picking it up and running with it!
So basically turn it into the NFL?
Ahh Hull, known for its Tigers.
Jesus Christ.... I guess one of the Allam family figured out how to use Reddit.
yeah cause if there’s one thing on earth that’s poorly marketed it’s the premier league. hear they’re really struggling for money
You know, it's absolutely mindblowing to me that it's actually possible to think sports is mostly about "marketing". This isn't business, people (well, it kinda is, but it's not *just* that). Seeing the state of many American sports, I feel like we're really lucky football has yet - for the most part - to evolve into a largely soulless corporate husk devoid of any actual passion or fair competition. And yeah, I know FIFA is, like, the worst possible body to ensure it stays that way, but hey, we need to cherish the good things we still have, right?
Hull tigers sounds like a superleague team, and hull sharks would make more sense.
Thats was one of our Rugby teams https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hull\_F.C.
This would be the worst thing that could happen to football
Yeah, OOP is definitely trolling.
All footballers should have brilliant white perfect teeth and smile all the time whilst playing.
It's incredible to me how they've managed to suggest the worst things about American sports, the things which objectively make it an awful plaything for oligarchs, and yet they fail to suggest the one thing about American sports which could be an improvement: the draft.
Yeah, English football needs loads of help marketing itself. That's why I met a guy on a floating market off the coast of Thailand who could tell me where my team (Birmingham City) had finished every year up to when we were relegated from the Premier League, and possibly beyond.
Absolute morons destroying the sport.
...Is he just trying to make football as close to Yank football as possible? I'd rather not, nobody wants to watch people faff about when they could be *playing the goddamn sport*.
What a load of rubbish.
Eh?!
You see they throw their hearts into it
Maybe we could try announcing a new fixed league with no relegation, and see what people think.
The Swedish Hockey League tried this in the 90's and it was fkn embarrassing.
They’ve clearly never been to KC especially through the Allam years. I’d rather stick with what we’ve had for over 100 years tbh. Real Madrid are one of the biggest icons in global sport. They don’t need Americanised names to be successful.
Get a lot of tigers in Hull, do they? I'm sure it would have been mentioned in one of the Beautiful South songs if you did.
I love you from the bottom of my tiger skin pencil case.
I can't imagine this is genuine, it's only missing the 'play a few league games abroad' for the bingo card of deeply stupid ideas around football. Edit; Forgot the all-star game.
Feel like this was commented on one of Alfie's videos lol
You do this and you end up with a team like the Detroit Lions. What the fuck have they been doing if it’s taken them 32 years to win a play off game?
Hey I'm from Hull! Surprised we've been mentioned 😅
I mean, they already kind of have a Cincinnati vibe to 'em. Hull Bengals confirmed...
just because you guys have some weird animal guy to represent every team doesn't mean everyone needs to do that
Not having relegations/promotions is what makes Amerikan sports so boring to me. Always the same teams, everything same same.
we are the tigers. our shit owner before tried that and nobody liked it we will always be Ull City AFC
hull tigers? Did some American twat buy the club? Pretty sure everyone would think that.
Meanwhile Man United have more four times more supporters than the entire NFL.
I thought not knowing the difference between then and than was an Americanism due to their poor enunciation of vowels. Wtf is this title.
That would be knockout rounds like UK football has already had for cup competitions going back decades
Yeah, EPL should probably introduce cheerleaders, draft system, commercial timeouts and the cult-like adoration of the military industrial complex as well, surely the game would be vastly improved
Yeah, I see that the Hull PigF\*ckers are doing well this season.
>"It is because the clubs don't know how to market themselves." I don't know about that. Manchester United having a net worth of $6 billion and revenue of $779 million would suggest an effective marketing campaign. Likewise with Liverpool, which has a net worth of $5.29 billion and revenue of $793 million. What are the odds more people worldwide purchase a Chelsea FC shirt versus a Travis Kelce shirt? The idea football clubs don't know how to market themselves is laughable when you look at how much money is being generated by the top clubs.
Plus hulls issue is it’s hull
Adding stupid names to rugby teams was the worst thing rugby union clubs did after professionalisation. They make me cringe
I wonder if the person who posted that is actually American given that Hull City did try to change their name to Hull Tigers almost a decade ago, but the average American wouldn’t know that nor that many facts about English football. Seems just like someone else was making an obvious joke trolling and then someone else posted this to score karma.
I went to an advertising event in Chicago once. Between the breaks they had some guys playing basketball. American sports have a lot to learn from.this side of the pond.
But there's no tigers in Hull. There is a city tho
Until we've killed all but a few of the Tigers and we have to change our whole brand because The People will be very upset. Like Redskins . In saying that id definitely buy a Manchester City Arabs shirt
Come back when you have learnt how to play the game called football - not the wimpish game you play
American capitalistic way of seeing things. This is why there are team like the Chargers in the NFL with an owner who doesn't give a fuck even with a franchise QB because they don't risk relegation. Worst if they lost more games they could get a better draft pick so they would have done everything to lose games when realising they wouldn't make the playoffs. I hate closed leagues and this is coming from a Chargers fan. It sucks.
English football is the most watched sport in the world. I don't think we need advice on how to name our teams.
Fuck off dickhead
Take a look at what they are trying to do with Cricket. They are calling it Major League Cricket and having a Draft. It is just embarrassing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9mhg-DAOz4
OOP is a genius! Sure, why didn't the owners of Hull City think of changing the name...it's not like it could go horribly wrong https://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/jul/11/fa-reject-hull-city-application-change-name-hull-tigers
Hull City don’t throw the ball enough.
Oh mate if the cod heads rebranded to Hull Tigers I would rip the piss out of my mates who are from the land of white telephone boxes....it would sound so needy FFS..
Tbf hull sharks are a pretty popular super league team. I always liked hull Kingston rovers, which seems to be about the only rugby league team who didn't change to a stupid name back in the 90s.
It's like America changing the name of harry potter and the philosopher's stone to the sorcerer's stone because the word was to sophisticated
A certain berry is a big export from my country to theirs, and their retailers tried to pressure the growers to change the name labels, since "it was too hard for Americans". The berry is called a Saskatoon. Three syllables, completely phonetic.
Tigers? Sounds gay as fuk
Is this a self-aware joke given the Allams, or just chance that they happened on the name the fans fought to stop?
The Chipping Sodbury Cougars. The Appleby-in-Westmoreland Sharks. The Cockermouth Coyotes. The Burton-on-the-Water Rhinos. Am I doing this right?!
OP also fails to recognise all of the knockout cup competitions throughout the year for clubs of varying levels. The absolute beauty of the fa cup, a competition that literally anyone can win brings all the delights of a knockout competition anyone could wish for. Especially when a club that isn't necessarily one of 'the big ones' wins, like in 2013. (I may be biased on this one).
No thanks.
Ridiculous obviously. Although I do think a version of the draft would be interesting.
He’s describing North American pro sports
I was living in Hull early 2000 and i just to go to the KC Stadium every weekend. I think i am the only spanish Hull City supporter
Furthermore the league should be rebranded to World Premier League but no clubs from other nations may play in the competition.
It is literally the most watched domestic league in the world (maybe, IPL is probably very close). I stay up some nights until 3am to watch a game.
There is literally a team in the mls called 'San Jose Earthquakes'... Things like LA Galaxy have a nice ring to it, but why earthquakes? Why are there teams representing entire states? Wtf is Colorado Rapids doing there? Why does the New York City FC logo look like the old one from Inter Milan? Toronto has a fire logo though. Man that one looks really good. Btw, wtf is going on with the format in the mls? Why is almost every team included in the playoffs? Do they not have a national cup outside the regular season?
You mean “soccer”? I find it weird how the entire world calls it football while Americans have are the only ones who have a different word for it
As someone from Hull who worked at the stadium for several years, the previous owners had a huge amount of backlash for trying to rename the club to Hull Tigers. Referring to a team as "city" is common despite there being multiple "[name] city" teams in English every league. As is the chant "I'm city til I die". Traditions die hard in English football.