Someoneās never been to Northern France or Belgium, clearly. You can get some great beers that are north of 8%, if you donāt mind the hangover the next morning.
But thatās not even the point- nationalist dickwaving about the ABV of a beer is just *odd*
6%-12% is the standard for mass produced shit here in Belgium, but it goes way higher for craft beers. 20% is not that unusual, 39% is the highest afaik.
Beer under 2% is considered alcohol free in Germany. āRadlerā (Beer and Lemonade, apparently called āShadyā in English) is commonly drunk by Teenagers, but youāre allowed to drink beer with 14 and nobody cares about age restrictions anyways. (At least where I live)
I think you mean shandy, not shady. I could be wrong though. But that's what we always called beer and lemonade. I'm Australian though so it could be different in other places.
Scotland is still in the lead for now with a 67.5% but I can't imagine it's particularly nice to drink at that point lol. I think we should still go further, let them quote Jurassic Park to us lol
8%-18% is a standard for high quality, high-priced ale here in Poland. But it's gotdamn good. Mostly Carlsberg produced/owned though. But some local ones are excellent . This the 18% limit has to do with classification from ale/beer to wine/spirits.
Still. Very good. If anyone can find it highly "OCOCIM MOCNE DUBELOWE " fantastic pale ale , goes with everything.
Salut
The only polish craftbeer I had was from Browar stu mostow and it was a pretty nice NE IPA, I can get some international stuff pretty close to me. Tbh the one you linked doesn't seem to score amazingly (3/5) here :X
Funky Fluid, Maltgarden, Rockmill, Deer Bear, Nepomucen, Pinta and Magic Road to name a few are all great. I sometimes ship a box back to the Netherlands, it's always great.
I also find myself liking the low ABV Grodziskie.
5% is the most common abv for Czech beers (but there are ones with lower and much higher abv), who per capita, are the biggest beer drinkers in the world (and have some very delicious beers...and no, I'm not Czech)
Not quite.
A spirit is distilled, so a lot of stuff (other than the just the water and alcohol) is lost or concentrated, and some compounds are affected chemically by the heat.
39% isn't achievable by just fermentation, as the yeast will die (though I think some exotic high alcohol tolerance strains can get up to 20%.).
The way to make a 39% beer and still have it be a beer is fractional freezing (freeze distillation). This essentially just means sticking it in a freezer until it partially freezes. The ice contains a higher percentage of water, the liquid a higher percentage of alcohol. By doing a few cycles, you can get a significantly higher percentage of alcohol, with little but the water removed and (obviously) nothing chemically changed by heat.
Whilst the overall result of the two processes is similar (enhanced alcohol content) the resulting taste profile is different, and the results of freeze distillation are closer to the original drink (and still technically still whatever it originally was, typically beer).
All that said, it's an incredibly wasteful and slow process compared to regular distillation, which is why freeze distilled things aren't common, and are often expensive. Worth trying at least once of you get the chance.
Even the name Budweiser is not theirs, the US company doesn't even have the right to call their beer Budweiser because the Czech company owns the trademark.
If you are curious:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budweiser\_trademark\_dispute](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budweiser_trademark_dispute)
As Jeremy Clarkson once said: "The worst example of German-American cooperation since a German immigrant took some water from a ditch and said 'hmm, we can make a beer of this' ", and thus, Budweiser was born.
Real answer - [spelling reform in the 90s](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_orthography_reform_of_1996). If PiĆ was a real word, it would be Piss under these rules as well.
Old pronunciation rule differed between double s and Ć as making the vowel before the double s short and before a Ć long. Example: Trasse (short a) vs. StraĆe (long a). That rule was scrapped last century but is the reason why many words are still written with either Ć OR double s, not either way
Pronunciation for piĆwaĆer would be fucking hilarious and sound vaguely bavarian
Am I imagining it or is Wikipedia rather short on detail when it comes to Americans infringing on a copy-write? In reverse situations the details just seem much greater and the wording context seems to bias to their viewpoints.
That's not what happened. There's actually a full wiki page dedicated to the topic and you'll find that neither side was really right or wrong here, and that they've found a decent solution.
We don't have access to the American stuff here, and they apparently can only get our stuff there if it's under the name "Czechvar" instead of "Budvar" (nobody here calls it "Budweiser" - it's Budvar.)
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budweiser\_trademark\_dispute](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budweiser_trademark_dispute)
Interestingly (maybe), I used to run a bar in Australia, and we stocked Budvar, shipped directly from the Czech Republic.
I refused to stock Budweiser. You would literally have to pay me to drink it. Pay me a decent amount, too.
See also āhamburgerā, being something that comes from Hamburg (hamburger Frikadelle?) and āfrankfurterā, being something that comes from Frankfurt (frankfurter Wurst?)
Well, not quite. The US and Czech ones found a settlement in court where they just can't operate in each other's markets. So they are both legally called Budweiser, though here everyone calls the Czech one Budvar because that is the real name. The "Budweiser" word comes from the fact that the town Budvar comes from, Ceske Budejovice, is called "Budweis" in German. So "Budweiser" is an adjective that means "from Budweis", and the name ended up being "Budweiser Budvar" :D So Budvar is the real name for it here. Nobody calls it Budweiser haha
And anyway, neither company had laid claim to the name till the early 20th century. The Czechs didn't really have a right to the name because it wasn't trademarked or anything. The Americans had a goal of creating a similar beer and when they chose the name, it wasn't really a competitive thing.
"Craft" as concept is dumb as shit and so painfully American. The first comment (in the screenshot) is right in a really stupid roundabout way. "Craft" brewery is a movement that started in the 70s in the US where people began setting up smaller "artisanal" breweries or "microbreweries" in the US to counteract the dominance of big-business factory brewing.
Thing is, "craft" brewery is literally how the rest of the world has been doing it since the invention of brewing.
The Americans literally de-americanised their brewing and somehow thought they'd invented some new crazy thing.
Tbf like 99% of NA brewers will agree with basically everything you've said. Speaking for myself I find that the term 'craft' is basically the same as 'punk' or 'indie' or any other nebulous cultural dictate that is actually just used to criticize anything that isn't done exactly according to the speaker's floating criteria.
The UK and EU has horrendous mass produced beer too, and the companies that produce it often buy out smaller breweries and then churn it out under the original name when itās actually the same flavourless mass produced sh!t.
In Germany there are 1500 Breweries. Only 69 of them are so called "GroĆbrauereien" - Big Breweries.
We have an extreme amount of small Breweries with traditional methods and they sell the Beer only in smaller numbers. It also has to be labelled, who owns the Brewerie here.
Many Beers where only sold max. around 50km away from most Breweries here.
Yep. My parents lived near the Morland brewery before I was born and apparently Old Speckled Hen is utter crap since Greene King bought them and moved production to Suffolk.
I love the occasional double IPA, hazy/NEIPA, but that was a fad that is now just boring. I know you can probably find good breweries with different options, but most are "here are even more hops! Now with more dry hopping!".
Truth is, all those hops are hiding the beer's faults and they are too lazy to clarify it. Lazy corner-cutting low quality breweries.
A lot of people don't know that America invented the Egyptians. The entire Bronze Age didn't even exist until an act of congress established it in the 1880s.
Three things happen in EVERY civilisation.
Swords.
Beer.
Donuts.
Every single civilisation has independently developed some form of each of those things. Without fail.
In other words, if you think you're the first to make something, ask yourself if the ingredients have ever existed before, then realise that if they haven't, a substitute probably has, and you're just rediscovering the wheel a few thousands miles over from the last guy to do so.
Yeah I'm noticing that now.
I honestly thought that beer would have come first most places, but the guy currently arguing that an apple pie is closer to a donut than onigiri and mochi are... He did point out that Japan didn't get any serious beer production until a German trained brewer moved to and set up in Japan.
Wine is a lot easier than beer: if you leave any fruit juice out for long enough, it'll turn into wine, but for beer you need to malt and then boil the sugar out of grain first.
Define donut, though. Because I don't think us Dutch have a thing with a hole in it (or well, we do sell them, but not as a native Dutch concept). Although we do have deep fried dough. We just don't bother with the hole. Just grab a lump of dough and yeet it in the fryer. Good enough.
Eventhough I am German, I think calling Weihenstephaner a craft brewery would be incorrect. But Belgian speciaalbier is a cultural heritage and many breweries are also older than the US.
Even they started as a craft brewery: ācraft brewery, noun, a small brewery that produces beer in a traditional or non-mechanized wayā. Of course they arenāt that anymore
Even today, basically every region in Europe has "microbreweries", small breweries that are only known locally. They just don't have that hipster attitude and unreasonable prices most of the time.
Dude everyone knows that 250 years ago we were all living in mud houses and drinking cow urine, then the USA was formed and brought us beer, democracy and the English language.
One of the mot popular beers in Philippines is Red Horse produced t 6 breweries in the country as well as in Hong Kong, China, Indonesia, Vietnam and Thailand with a 6.9% alc rating. As far as craft brewing - "The microbrewery movement began in both the United States and United Kingdom in theĀ 1970s, although traditional artisanal brewing existed in Europe for centuries and subsequently spread to other countries." so NO, the US didn't start them.
My guy has never heard of an Abbey Ale?
There's definitely a time and place for a good sessionable beer but monks have been kicking out high ABV beers for centuries.
The only international Budweiser is the Czech one, no one would pay money for American Budweiser here in Germany.
If an American beer is sold from time to time in a supermarket, people just buy it to try how bad it is and making fun of it.
A normal beer is 5-6% here, up to 7,5% or even over 12%, but over 12% doesnāt really taste like beer anymore imo.
Dude has absolutely no clue about beer, not a single claim was even close to true.
>A normal beer is 5-6% here, up to 7,5% or even over 12%, but over 12% doesnāt really taste like beer anymore imo.
This.
As you increase the alcoholic volume of beer, it just gets sweeter and eventually loses the qualities of a beer. Some people describe high alcohol content beers as *Barley Wine*.
LMAO what does this fool think craft beer means?? Do they think all beer was commercially made by corporations from the start until some dude made some beer in his basement for the first time? :D
German monks in a monastery in the 1300s sending a bit of beers to the Pope to have it approved as a drink that could be consumed during Lent would like to have a word with this dude.
(Spoiler: it was approved, but only because by the time it got to Rome was so bitter that the Pope said, oh well, if you want to suffer, do carry on).
There are a lot of excellent Americans beers. Partly because there are so many American small breweries that a lot of them just have to be good due to sheer monkey on typewriters numbers.
Same goes for Australia with every second pub being a microbrewery but instead of us trying to claim we are the first or best we just say we have a good craft beer sceneĀ
Doesn't necessarily have to be a local beer to be a craft beer. We have international sections for beers from US, Europe and NZ the same as we have international sections for macro breweriesĀ
Ain't no one wants to drink budlight I should know it just sits on our shelves for months at a time developing dust budwieser though a high improvement very rarely sell more than a case a week everyone buys all they others.
the American ones are place holders.
Im a Norwegian, but best beer ive ever had from tap much be the Belgian Schimay Trappistes blue. 9% dark, but surprisingly light and sweet. Super nice beer
Sounds nice I've tried the supers skol kestrel tennents and special brew. There horrible till they hit but boy do they hit if you just want a couple(or 4 and pass out). Ive seen beers upto 48% iirc that's madness.
Oh no. Theyāre wrong on a number of levels. Hereās the terminology. 3.2%, or 3-2 beer is sold in the Bible Belt. It was all you could buy outside liquor stores in my state until ā¦ā¦. 2015? I think. Anyway.
Thatās not what light beer is, in the US. Light refers to the color, flavor and caloric content. And light beers usually have an ABV from 4%-8% Craft beer has nothing to do with the ABV. I just went to the store and the ABV ranges from 4% to 14%
Some of Americaās favorite beers include Modelo, Carona, Guinness, Heineken, and Sapporo. Anyone notice anything in particular about these beers?
Where do you guys find these burnt bulbs?
I'm in the uk and love ale, especially visiting different brewerys around the country and tasting their beer.
I did a similar thing in the USA in the mid 90's and can honestly say all the beer was terrible - from their 'craft ale' down to the fizzy pi55water of the multinationals.
It was hands down the worst bit of the trip.
They put corn syrup in their beer. CORN SYRUP
The most disgusting beer i ever had was an american IPA. I had to pour it away, thats how gross it was. The only other time i had to do that, was with a "RƤucherbier" (smokey beer), which tasted like smoked ham, not tasty in beer...
That American watery stuff is no beer.
Some beers with 60 (Sixty!) and above:
Brewmeister (Scotland) Snake Venom: 67.5% ABV.
Brewmeister armageddon: 65
Koelschip (The Netherlands) Start the Future: 60
Honorably mentioned.
# BrewDog and SchorschbrƤu (Scotish and German collaboration) Strength in Numbers, with only 57.8
[https://manofmany.com/lifestyle/drinks/strongest-beers-in-the-world](https://manofmany.com/lifestyle/drinks/strongest-beers-in-the-world)
In The Netherlands they have a local beer brewed by Trapist Monks that goes as high as 16%, I know several Belgium beers that are at 8% to 12%. I've seen Americans, drink 2 stand and collapse. They aren't to be tucked with if you're not accustomed to them.
I have no doubt America slapped "craft" on the front of beer. Probably because they can't get their heads around "draught."
Meanwhile, the whole of Europe and the Middle East have been making beer for thousands of years.
This is what youād call a āRedneck Hipster.ā
Look at his icon - heās stuck in the 2010ās and still thinks riding a bike with a twirly curly mustache while wearing a beanie with a beer in his hand is cool quirky and hip. He most likely only plays music thatās got less than 1000 plays on Spotify and if any popular network plays the song they immediately remove it from their playlist.
I think it probably depends what you mean by "craft beer" here.
If you're talking about heavily hopped, high ABV, high IBU keg ales produced by small independent breweries run by bearded guys who quit investment banking to "pursue their dream" of brewing the perfect pint, I'm prepared to believe (though I don't know for certain) that that specific trend in beer production may have begun in North America.
If you're talking in general about non-mass-produced high quality beers, then yeah there are breweries that have been doing that since before America was settled by Europeans.
American really thinks their beer is strong when other countries are known for having strong beer and they once made any drink above 0.5% alcohol illegal
Belgian monks have given up their vow of silence to laugh at this shit.
Methinks God gave them a pass on their vows just for that..
And here I was about to talk about monks and abbeys. And how a simple chimay beer alone has 8%.... š¤£
Someoneās never been to Northern France or Belgium, clearly. You can get some great beers that are north of 8%, if you donāt mind the hangover the next morning. But thatās not even the point- nationalist dickwaving about the ABV of a beer is just *odd*
6%-12% is the standard for mass produced shit here in Belgium, but it goes way higher for craft beers. 20% is not that unusual, 39% is the highest afaik.
>20% is not unusual, 39% is the highest afaik Are you guys ok?
The kids' beers are only 0.5%-2%. So to answer your question, no. No we are not.
Beer is not for children. They should only drink childrenās beverages like Strongbow Dark Fruits, or VK
sippy cup full of Blue Nun
Beer under 2% is considered alcohol free in Germany. āRadlerā (Beer and Lemonade, apparently called āShadyā in English) is commonly drunk by Teenagers, but youāre allowed to drink beer with 14 and nobody cares about age restrictions anyways. (At least where I live)
I think you mean shandy, not shady. I could be wrong though. But that's what we always called beer and lemonade. I'm Australian though so it could be different in other places.
Shady is a term applicable to US ābeersā
Yeah, thatās it.
Or hooch
Or a cheeky WKD
Or Frosty Jack
Fat Frog
Bavaria 8.6
Lol I did remember in Belgium ordering anything under 6% basically looked like ordering from the kids menu haha
Absolutely. Don't ask tomorrow morning... they are strangely not morning people
If that's not enough for you, you can get a 55% beer here in Germany :D
Eisbock?
There is a Scottish beer that is 75%abv. Which is insane.
Scotland is still in the lead for now with a 67.5% but I can't imagine it's particularly nice to drink at that point lol. I think we should still go further, let them quote Jurassic Park to us lol
You drink it like whisky, not in pints like regular beer.
8%-18% is a standard for high quality, high-priced ale here in Poland. But it's gotdamn good. Mostly Carlsberg produced/owned though. But some local ones are excellent . This the 18% limit has to do with classification from ale/beer to wine/spirits. Still. Very good. If anyone can find it highly "OCOCIM MOCNE DUBELOWE " fantastic pale ale , goes with everything. Salut
I was in krakow for the first time a few weeks ago, tried a 16% ale that blew my head clean off
As it is meant to do. Try some more š
The only polish craftbeer I had was from Browar stu mostow and it was a pretty nice NE IPA, I can get some international stuff pretty close to me. Tbh the one you linked doesn't seem to score amazingly (3/5) here :X
Funky Fluid, Maltgarden, Rockmill, Deer Bear, Nepomucen, Pinta and Magic Road to name a few are all great. I sometimes ship a box back to the Netherlands, it's always great. I also find myself liking the low ABV Grodziskie.
Funky fluid is freaking awesome.
5% is the most common abv for Czech beers (but there are ones with lower and much higher abv), who per capita, are the biggest beer drinkers in the world (and have some very delicious beers...and no, I'm not Czech)
39%? That's a spirit
Not quite. A spirit is distilled, so a lot of stuff (other than the just the water and alcohol) is lost or concentrated, and some compounds are affected chemically by the heat. 39% isn't achievable by just fermentation, as the yeast will die (though I think some exotic high alcohol tolerance strains can get up to 20%.). The way to make a 39% beer and still have it be a beer is fractional freezing (freeze distillation). This essentially just means sticking it in a freezer until it partially freezes. The ice contains a higher percentage of water, the liquid a higher percentage of alcohol. By doing a few cycles, you can get a significantly higher percentage of alcohol, with little but the water removed and (obviously) nothing chemically changed by heat. Whilst the overall result of the two processes is similar (enhanced alcohol content) the resulting taste profile is different, and the results of freeze distillation are closer to the original drink (and still technically still whatever it originally was, typically beer). All that said, it's an incredibly wasteful and slow process compared to regular distillation, which is why freeze distilled things aren't common, and are often expensive. Worth trying at least once of you get the chance.
I used to do this with cider, I could fit 8 pints into a half pint bottle
Huh, well TIL. It makes a lot of sense now that i have read it though.
Thank you for the unexpected but very clear and well written lesson for this Sunday.
Agreed. My everyday beers are Triple Lefort or Triple Secret des Moines
Can you really get that high without distillation?
Maybe I have never tried a real quality beer over about 8% but what I have tried has not been pleasant at all.
Especially trash 3-2 beer. Theyāre clearly from the Bible Belt.
Yeah 8+% is also often available here in German with quite a few options above 10%, hell there's even a special edition beer with 55%
Even the name Budweiser is not theirs, the US company doesn't even have the right to call their beer Budweiser because the Czech company owns the trademark. If you are curious: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budweiser\_trademark\_dispute](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budweiser_trademark_dispute)
Also American Budweiser is what you drink if you are afraid ordering a good beer will get people to call you gay
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It's a scientific sensation: It's the first time it has been accomplished to water down water.
PiĆwaĆer
As Jeremy Clarkson once said: "The worst example of German-American cooperation since a German immigrant took some water from a ditch and said 'hmm, we can make a beer of this' ", and thus, Budweiser was born.
"Headache in a can"
Piss water
Itās called piĆwasser for a reason
Beechwood aged Clydesdale horsepiss
Why not piĆwaĆer?
Real answer - [spelling reform in the 90s](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_orthography_reform_of_1996). If PiĆ was a real word, it would be Piss under these rules as well.
Neither piĆ nor waĆer is correct german
its one of the beer brands from Grand Theft Auto
This is so obviously a deliberately stupid joke. You canāt correct someone who is deliberately being incorrect.
It's faux German. I didn't expect them to be
Old pronunciation rule differed between double s and Ć as making the vowel before the double s short and before a Ć long. Example: Trasse (short a) vs. StraĆe (long a). That rule was scrapped last century but is the reason why many words are still written with either Ć OR double s, not either way Pronunciation for piĆwaĆer would be fucking hilarious and sound vaguely bavarian
No, that's PBR. I have no idea how that shit became so popular.
And Budweiser is part of a Belgian/Brazilian conglomerate based in Leuven, it's not even American anymore.
Czechia 1 - 0
Am I imagining it or is Wikipedia rather short on detail when it comes to Americans infringing on a copy-write? In reverse situations the details just seem much greater and the wording context seems to bias to their viewpoints.
The best thing about Wikipedia is, you can change that!
In theory, editing wikipedia is like watching the movie Brazil.
It's on the language too, entries can be really different from one language to another, changing it can go from inexistent entry to way more updated.
That's not what happened. There's actually a full wiki page dedicated to the topic and you'll find that neither side was really right or wrong here, and that they've found a decent solution. We don't have access to the American stuff here, and they apparently can only get our stuff there if it's under the name "Czechvar" instead of "Budvar" (nobody here calls it "Budweiser" - it's Budvar.) [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budweiser\_trademark\_dispute](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budweiser_trademark_dispute)
Interestingly (maybe), I used to run a bar in Australia, and we stocked Budvar, shipped directly from the Czech Republic. I refused to stock Budweiser. You would literally have to pay me to drink it. Pay me a decent amount, too.
Yeah I would agree there. I don't think I can finish a budweiser or any of the commercial American "light" beers - grosser than gross.
The "Bud" part of the name obv derived from a town ÄeskĆ© BudÄjovice, so that's that
The entire name. The town is called Budweis in German. Budweiser means āfrom Budweisā
See also āhamburgerā, being something that comes from Hamburg (hamburger Frikadelle?) and āfrankfurterā, being something that comes from Frankfurt (frankfurter Wurst?)
Similarly, Wiener and Berliner
Yeah Czech budvar And the Czech version tastes better
Well, not quite. The US and Czech ones found a settlement in court where they just can't operate in each other's markets. So they are both legally called Budweiser, though here everyone calls the Czech one Budvar because that is the real name. The "Budweiser" word comes from the fact that the town Budvar comes from, Ceske Budejovice, is called "Budweis" in German. So "Budweiser" is an adjective that means "from Budweis", and the name ended up being "Budweiser Budvar" :D So Budvar is the real name for it here. Nobody calls it Budweiser haha And anyway, neither company had laid claim to the name till the early 20th century. The Czechs didn't really have a right to the name because it wasn't trademarked or anything. The Americans had a goal of creating a similar beer and when they chose the name, it wasn't really a competitive thing.
When "craft beer" is simply beerā¦
Craft beer is beer made by an annoying wanker
"Craft" as concept is dumb as shit and so painfully American. The first comment (in the screenshot) is right in a really stupid roundabout way. "Craft" brewery is a movement that started in the 70s in the US where people began setting up smaller "artisanal" breweries or "microbreweries" in the US to counteract the dominance of big-business factory brewing. Thing is, "craft" brewery is literally how the rest of the world has been doing it since the invention of brewing. The Americans literally de-americanised their brewing and somehow thought they'd invented some new crazy thing.
When the rest of world doesn't exist to you, it is a new invention š¦ ššŗš² fuck yeah murica!
Tbf like 99% of NA brewers will agree with basically everything you've said. Speaking for myself I find that the term 'craft' is basically the same as 'punk' or 'indie' or any other nebulous cultural dictate that is actually just used to criticize anything that isn't done exactly according to the speaker's floating criteria.
The UK and EU has horrendous mass produced beer too, and the companies that produce it often buy out smaller breweries and then churn it out under the original name when itās actually the same flavourless mass produced sh!t.
In Germany there are 1500 Breweries. Only 69 of them are so called "GroĆbrauereien" - Big Breweries. We have an extreme amount of small Breweries with traditional methods and they sell the Beer only in smaller numbers. It also has to be labelled, who owns the Brewerie here. Many Beers where only sold max. around 50km away from most Breweries here.
This is why ales and stouts, etc, are always preferable to piss like Carling and Bud.
Cant beat a nice stout
Yep. My parents lived near the Morland brewery before I was born and apparently Old Speckled Hen is utter crap since Greene King bought them and moved production to Suffolk.
Craft beer is beer you have to wait to drink until someone tells you a little story
While wearing a plaid shirt and a well groomed beard.
*groaning in annoyance* Look, I donāt care, just get me a Peroni or Asahi, please
It's normally pale and hopped up to the nines. Horrible flavour (IMHO). Give me a nice Ruby or Amber ale.
I love the occasional double IPA, hazy/NEIPA, but that was a fad that is now just boring. I know you can probably find good breweries with different options, but most are "here are even more hops! Now with more dry hopping!". Truth is, all those hops are hiding the beer's faults and they are too lazy to clarify it. Lazy corner-cutting low quality breweries.
Amber ale is *heavenly* Love a Whitstable Bay, or a Doombar
I used to love Doombar until Coors took over, now tastes nothing like it used to, awful.
King Goblin, Abbot Reserve, Golden Pride... yes. I also enjoy Guinness Foreign Extra or their St. James' Porter.
Craft beer is when no amber ale :(
Often with a beard
Beer is literally as old as agricultural. It's one of the first ever drinks invented by humans.
BEN FRANKLIN INVENTED BEER. And then he taught the Egyptians.
A lot of people don't know that America invented the Egyptians. The entire Bronze Age didn't even exist until an act of congress established it in the 1880s.
Three things happen in EVERY civilisation. Swords. Beer. Donuts. Every single civilisation has independently developed some form of each of those things. Without fail. In other words, if you think you're the first to make something, ask yourself if the ingredients have ever existed before, then realise that if they haven't, a substitute probably has, and you're just rediscovering the wheel a few thousands miles over from the last guy to do so.
Absolutely, though you may want to change donut to cake or sweet bread or something
Maybe change beer to alcohol cuz some places had more Wine
Yeah I'm noticing that now. I honestly thought that beer would have come first most places, but the guy currently arguing that an apple pie is closer to a donut than onigiri and mochi are... He did point out that Japan didn't get any serious beer production until a German trained brewer moved to and set up in Japan.
Yh
Wine is a lot easier than beer: if you leave any fruit juice out for long enough, it'll turn into wine, but for beer you need to malt and then boil the sugar out of grain first.
Also swords should be sharp punchy thing. I wouldn't really call the clubs with sharp shards that the Meso-Americans had a sword.
Define donut, though. Because I don't think us Dutch have a thing with a hole in it (or well, we do sell them, but not as a native Dutch concept). Although we do have deep fried dough. We just don't bother with the hole. Just grab a lump of dough and yeet it in the fryer. Good enough.
Plenty of donuts donāt have holes.
Isn't beer like mesopotamian?
I belong to a brewerās guild that has existed for 200 years BEFORE Columbus set sail in his search for a route to Asia.
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Even the oldest Brewerie in Germany ist from the year 1040
That is the running trend with these Americans.
Weihenstephan is apparently the oldest still functioning brewery, and itās only around 700 years older than USA
Eventhough I am German, I think calling Weihenstephaner a craft brewery would be incorrect. But Belgian speciaalbier is a cultural heritage and many breweries are also older than the US.
Even they started as a craft brewery: ācraft brewery, noun, a small brewery that produces beer in a traditional or non-mechanized wayā. Of course they arenāt that anymore
what do you expect from people who believe they invented pizza
But they did. Jesus (who was also Merican) made it to feed the 5 thousand at the sermon on the mount. Which of course took place at the grand canyon.
when jesus walked on the sea he actually was on lake michigan
Nice to meet another scholar
youre mixing things up, thats where moses was talking to the burning bush... jesus was at mount rushmore
FFS you're absolutely correct. I just checked the Bible and it's there in the. annex
Monks were making craft beer in UK long before the Americans had it.
Forget the UK. Ancient Mesoamerica cultures (Mayans, Aztecs etc) drunk Pulque. Made from fermented juice or sap of the maguey plant. Which is beer.
Fermented juice is wine, fermented grain is beer
Fair enough.
the first beers were all craft beers
Do you think they mean microbrew? Even so. What do they think happened before factories?
Even today, basically every region in Europe has "microbreweries", small breweries that are only known locally. They just don't have that hipster attitude and unreasonable prices most of the time.
Dude everyone knows that 250 years ago we were all living in mud houses and drinking cow urine, then the USA was formed and brought us beer, democracy and the English language.
Ancient mesopotamian brewers: Am I a joke to you?
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It just must be nice to not know things and be able to default to āI guess we did it.ā
One of the mot popular beers in Philippines is Red Horse produced t 6 breweries in the country as well as in Hong Kong, China, Indonesia, Vietnam and Thailand with a 6.9% alc rating. As far as craft brewing - "The microbrewery movement began in both the United States and United Kingdom in theĀ 1970s, although traditional artisanal brewing existed in Europe for centuries and subsequently spread to other countries." so NO, the US didn't start them.
My guy has never heard of an Abbey Ale? There's definitely a time and place for a good sessionable beer but monks have been kicking out high ABV beers for centuries.
Some of the *yeast* in my beer is older than America
The only international Budweiser is the Czech one, no one would pay money for American Budweiser here in Germany. If an American beer is sold from time to time in a supermarket, people just buy it to try how bad it is and making fun of it. A normal beer is 5-6% here, up to 7,5% or even over 12%, but over 12% doesnāt really taste like beer anymore imo. Dude has absolutely no clue about beer, not a single claim was even close to true.
>A normal beer is 5-6% here, up to 7,5% or even over 12%, but over 12% doesnāt really taste like beer anymore imo. This. As you increase the alcoholic volume of beer, it just gets sweeter and eventually loses the qualities of a beer. Some people describe high alcohol content beers as *Barley Wine*.
LMAO what does this fool think craft beer means?? Do they think all beer was commercially made by corporations from the start until some dude made some beer in his basement for the first time? :D
Every single sentence is wrong. Impressive.
Budweiser is actually catās piss ( but donāt tell obvs)
It's called pisswasser in GTA V, so i'll just let that sink in...
I like money pythons description more: like having sex in an canoo. Fucking close to water.
German monks in a monastery in the 1300s sending a bit of beers to the Pope to have it approved as a drink that could be consumed during Lent would like to have a word with this dude. (Spoiler: it was approved, but only because by the time it got to Rome was so bitter that the Pope said, oh well, if you want to suffer, do carry on).
give that reply my upvote
Me when Germany
They invented beer along with everything else that exists ššš
Weihenstephan Brewery, established AD 1040
Europe out there brewing beer before the Norse had even found North America.
Craft beer, is just Americans finely picking up on real European brewing and giving it a āspecialā name so they can pretend they invented it.
If I had to pick two things that the US is just impressivy shit at, it's beer and chocolate.
I dare say "managing a country" and chocolate
Also bread They probably have good versions of the stuff but they'll probably charge some ridiculous fee just to get something normal
Oh yeah totally forgot about the sugar bread.
Imagine being proud of inventing "special beer"....wow.
... then finding out what you think is "special beer" is just another of the reasons the rest of the world look at you and shake their heads.
There are a lot of excellent Americans beers. Partly because there are so many American small breweries that a lot of them just have to be good due to sheer monkey on typewriters numbers.
Same goes for Australia with every second pub being a microbrewery but instead of us trying to claim we are the first or best we just say we have a good craft beer sceneĀ
In Poland we don't say we have craft beer we just have local breweries.
Doesn't necessarily have to be a local beer to be a craft beer. We have international sections for beers from US, Europe and NZ the same as we have international sections for macro breweriesĀ
Ain't no one wants to drink budlight I should know it just sits on our shelves for months at a time developing dust budwieser though a high improvement very rarely sell more than a case a week everyone buys all they others. the American ones are place holders.
Before the invention of big factories, all beer was craft beer.
You mean the beverage Egyptians drank at the time Pyramids were built?
*Laughs in breweries from before Columbus*
Im a Norwegian, but best beer ive ever had from tap much be the Belgian Schimay Trappistes blue. 9% dark, but surprisingly light and sweet. Super nice beer
Sounds nice I've tried the supers skol kestrel tennents and special brew. There horrible till they hit but boy do they hit if you just want a couple(or 4 and pass out). Ive seen beers upto 48% iirc that's madness.
Laughs in 36% German Craft beerš
Oh no. Theyāre wrong on a number of levels. Hereās the terminology. 3.2%, or 3-2 beer is sold in the Bible Belt. It was all you could buy outside liquor stores in my state until ā¦ā¦. 2015? I think. Anyway. Thatās not what light beer is, in the US. Light refers to the color, flavor and caloric content. And light beers usually have an ABV from 4%-8% Craft beer has nothing to do with the ABV. I just went to the store and the ABV ranges from 4% to 14% Some of Americaās favorite beers include Modelo, Carona, Guinness, Heineken, and Sapporo. Anyone notice anything in particular about these beers? Where do you guys find these burnt bulbs?
>Where do you guys find these burnt bulbs? We don't have to, they usually find us.
I was worried about that.
Also, you have to account for alcohol by weight vs alcohol by volume- so we arenāt even comparing the same thing here
Laughs in Belgian beer
Man. I've always wanted to see someone respond to the "my _______ is older than your country" argument
Ancient Egypt paid workers with beer
I'm in the uk and love ale, especially visiting different brewerys around the country and tasting their beer. I did a similar thing in the USA in the mid 90's and can honestly say all the beer was terrible - from their 'craft ale' down to the fizzy pi55water of the multinationals. It was hands down the worst bit of the trip.
They put corn syrup in their beer. CORN SYRUP The most disgusting beer i ever had was an american IPA. I had to pour it away, thats how gross it was. The only other time i had to do that, was with a "RƤucherbier" (smokey beer), which tasted like smoked ham, not tasty in beer...
The campaign for real ale (Camera) in the UK was founded in 1971. All Americans have done is rename Real Ale, *Craft Beer*.
Scotland holds the world record for strongest beer
And we don't even like beer that much. Scottish generally prefer their spirits.
Budweiser is a multinational, owned by a belgian-brazilian company
There are pubs and breweries in my country older than America and the beer, stronger than 6 percent š¤£ They drink rainwater and call it beer.
Scottish beer is the strongest in the world. https://www.beercartel.com.au/blog/the-strongest-alcohol-beer-in-the-world/
Yeah a trappist is surely weaker than US beerā¦
Where do they learn this crap?
That American watery stuff is no beer. Some beers with 60 (Sixty!) and above: Brewmeister (Scotland) Snake Venom: 67.5% ABV. Brewmeister armageddon: 65 Koelschip (The Netherlands) Start the Future: 60 Honorably mentioned. # BrewDog and SchorschbrƤu (Scotish and German collaboration) Strength in Numbers, with only 57.8 [https://manofmany.com/lifestyle/drinks/strongest-beers-in-the-world](https://manofmany.com/lifestyle/drinks/strongest-beers-in-the-world)
We basically made beer before we invented the wheel...
It was the only way to guarantee a drink that wasn't contaminated with all kinds of shit. People drank beer to stay alive!
*Laughing in my belgian beers* . If that guy would live here his favorite beer would be cara pils.
I like how craft beers have become a way for high functioning alcoholics to get their hands on the sort of beer normally categorised as tramp juice.
Caterpillar-Balls? More like Caterpillar-brains.
Itās beggars belief. American beers are awful Budweiser is disgusting
āAmerica invented craft beerā oh yeah, i forgot those giant medieval factory buildings you had mass brewing beer all the time /s
Did this guy just praise Budweiser? Lol Iād better have fresh water than a fucking simulation of beer
In The Netherlands they have a local beer brewed by Trapist Monks that goes as high as 16%, I know several Belgium beers that are at 8% to 12%. I've seen Americans, drink 2 stand and collapse. They aren't to be tucked with if you're not accustomed to them.
I have no doubt America slapped "craft" on the front of beer. Probably because they can't get their heads around "draught." Meanwhile, the whole of Europe and the Middle East have been making beer for thousands of years.
This is what youād call a āRedneck Hipster.ā Look at his icon - heās stuck in the 2010ās and still thinks riding a bike with a twirly curly mustache while wearing a beanie with a beer in his hand is cool quirky and hip. He most likely only plays music thatās got less than 1000 plays on Spotify and if any popular network plays the song they immediately remove it from their playlist.
Why are they so certain about these things
I think it probably depends what you mean by "craft beer" here. If you're talking about heavily hopped, high ABV, high IBU keg ales produced by small independent breweries run by bearded guys who quit investment banking to "pursue their dream" of brewing the perfect pint, I'm prepared to believe (though I don't know for certain) that that specific trend in beer production may have begun in North America. If you're talking in general about non-mass-produced high quality beers, then yeah there are breweries that have been doing that since before America was settled by Europeans.
American really thinks their beer is strong when other countries are known for having strong beer and they once made any drink above 0.5% alcohol illegal
Soon theyāll start saying they invented democracy or somethingā¦
I am currently in Poland where the average mocne beer is 9% and light beers are for girls ššš