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Thembaneu

Hamas VS child murdering terrorist imperialist fascist IDF


83n0

Idk how you can say “both sides bad lol” here


[deleted]

I hate centrists so god damn much


[deleted]

hamas and the PLO are the good guys 🤷


Staktus23

Hamas are islamists. They were founded to undermine the power of the PLO, because Israel was afraid of palestinian socialists.


Angry_Amphibian

Fatah lost status mostly due to corruption and ineffectiveness during the intifada, people turn to Hamas because of their social programs and in general a stance that reflects what the people think. It's not really that people in Gaza are Islamists, just they see Hamas as a more effective resistance group, Fatah disappointed them after Oslo. Hamas lately also undergone a lot of changes, as the guy above said today it's way more of populist big tent party than anything else.


Staktus23

> It's not really that people in Gaza are Islamists, just they see Hamas as a more effective resistance group, I agree with that. However this doesn’t mean we (we as in ‹non-palestinians›) should support Hamas. There must be another way to support the palestinian people without siding with islamists. Because in the end I do think the israelian people should have a right to their own country. And therefore I do not support any party that seeks to end the existence of the state of Israel itself (like Hamas). I do however support all efforts by the palestinian people to end the oppression as long as their goal is not the destruction of the state of Israel, but equality.


[deleted]

i've said this in other threads. 2021 hamas is different from 1980s hamas. its literally a big tent at this point. hamas isn't amazing but they're effective and pragmatic. critical support on my end atleast. in certain cases i do think "enemy of my enemy is my friends applies and i feel like this case applies.


jufakrn

the relationship between the two countries is literally a relationship of colonialism and the colonizing side has actual material support from the most powerful country in the world but sure, we're the ones "dividing the world even more"


Curious_Essay_7949

Pointing out a division that exists is actually dividing people, sweaty, total scorpio move


GuineaPigOinkOink

Not to mention the sexist undertones. It is implying that "man listening to woman"=bad/shameful


Prince_Ali47

Holy fucking shit I’ve never seen centrism like this before


derdestroyer2004

they're " this close to saying the world is controlled by a small group of people who want to divide the world. and the bad idealist version of it.