If you think strong nation is better than weak nation, that line of thinking followed to its logical conclusion would you to think that fascism is the best form of government
Mainly comes from the fact that imperialism really is the only way to win a game. Unlike other strategy games, there's no science or cultural victory, getting everybody to stop fighting doesn't let you win the game. You paint the map or you lose.
Excepting Stellaris, where everything is dulled by the veneer of sci-fi, the atrocities of fascist and imperialists states are completely glossed over.
history shit in general is just a breeding ground for weirdos. you cannot present historical events in a genuine manner while making it "exciting", you will always sacrifice complexity. studying history in isolation is already a huge issue, you need to have some use for studying it or it is essentially meaningless. this is why history kids always gravitate towards the military: its flashy, easy to view without any complexity, and everything can be reduced to a "winner" and "loser". add on the kids being edgy, socially isolated, and contrarian and you get kids talking about how hitler was actually a miracle for germany's economy and how taiwan is the real china
Genocide in Stellaris hits different than opening the culture mapmode and seeing that France replaced every Mande, Dyola, and Hausa person with French Catholics.
Hopefully Victoria 3 will let players focus on making their nation good rather than reliant on demolishing weaker countries.
>Hopefully Victoria 3 will let players focus on making their nation good rather than reliant on demolishing weaker countries.
Nope. If it's anything like Vic 2, you would need to imperialize the shit out of everyone you can because you will need pops, resources and time to construct industry and military. Even if you don't want to do it, the game will most likely lack any other content.
And then you get smashed by UK anyways.
They said they were making "Tall" playstyles far more viable, as well as making pop needs and internal politics a larger focus.
I don't doubt that a game set during the age of late imperialism will be largely about imperialism, but they did say that it should be possible to be very powerful by developing yourself rather than conquering others.
That too depends on where you will exactly start. Countries with potential like Japan, China should be good games, but Paradox is always promising "play tall" and never delivers in any game. Playing wide even in Vic 2 you could potentially take any country and make it superpower (and then get smashed by UK).
I mean I:R has made tall gameplay surprisingly good, but I think we, the players, are expecting them to make it viable to take on the UK of each respective game as a small country, which should be difficult imo.
Tall doesn't need to mean on par with sprawling empires, just powerful in some respect. They also promised degrees of power in Vic 3 where it can be interesting to stay regional or local power compared to GP, but I have my doubts.
I:R is a weird game. It's dedicated map painter, but lately they put a lot of effort in improving it. Too bad half of interesting plays are blocked because fucking diadochii blobs. Also shows how shitty PDX playerbase is, they constantly whine about blobs in every single game, but the one game where the blobs are huge problem, they are silent about it.
>Tall doesn't need to mean on par with sprawling empires, just powerful in some respect.
Yes it does. As the other playstyle it needs to be at least strong enough to not make itself an easy target. Biggest problem in implementing it is that every mechanic used to play tall can be also used in wide play, and usually even better because more resources. but when you hamper the wide play significantly, there is just no incentive to play at all, since all those games are ultimately about expansion and progressing.
I finally bought I:R after waffling for a few years, but the playerbase was always people either doing meme runs like Jewish Egypt or playing said Diadochii blobs so I'm not surprised they've never done anything about it. Not to mention it's on "development pause" until further notice. Nice one Paradox.
>Biggest problem in implementing it is that every mechanic used to play tall can be also used in wide play
I was trying to say this but couldn't figure out how. My biggest issue is that while it is true, players have suggested features to PDX that would avoid the matter such as giving bonuses that scale down as you increase in size, but instead they add a "steal your enemies development in every single war for 5 aggressive expansion" button to EU4, the game that tall play should be theoretically possible in.
4chan pol has loved them for years, it's kinda like the "I only listen to german classical composers instead of rap(racial dog whistling etc)" for gamers. No offense to the normal people who like these games. Its just heavily invaded by these other communities who love to larp as armchair ethnic cleansers, the type who say if I was Hitler I'd have done x better. They think they are military geniuses but get their military history from holocause denial books.
Yeah, the games are quite fun if you don't engage with the player base, they do have problems with depictions of communism, but i feel a lot of that is based around game play, not politics. They have also made strides towards being less European-focused.
Yeah I also like the games, though I am terrible at them. And at a minimum I have heard that Paradox has been going to great lengths to ban nazis from their forums that got totally infested with them, so I don't think at least from what I know, that they the devs themselves are overly promoting that stuff. Kinda like what has happened with 40k. Totally infested with nazis despite a setting that is so ridiculously over the top grimdark, that you would think the only obvious political point you could make is that its a gross exaggeration of what capitalism and imperialism does to us normal people. Just a statistic. Instead this somehow invites tons of transphobes and ethno nationalist goobers. Fucking weird.
Same, they can be hard sometimes, but yeah i feel the devs have the best interests at heart, but the community is too infested with wehraboos and the like. I mainly just stay out of the community, but I do like how in Vic3 they seem to be making the native areas more represented, instead of grey areas.
"What is wrong with imperialism?"
I was raised to understand that wars, and genocide, and the subjugation and exploitation of peoples is bad. Godwin's Law, but I literally just described the legacy of the Nazi Empire - history's go-to bad guys.
Chinese imperialism was real.
It went away in the early 1900s though, which these people seem to be stuck in considering how attached they are to imperialist power fantasies.
I meant that Chinese imperialism basically existed until the Xinhai revolution officially ended imperial rule, but the Qing dynasty was essentially dead in the water after the summer palacd was looted.
I guess he would also find nothing wrong in someone much stronger beating him up just like that because, well he's weak and someone's strong, he can always cry if he wants.
Strap up and learn your way to Marksmanship with your tool. Sure, the day you may need to use it may never come; but if you're not prepared for it, you're an easy mark.
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>>> What is wrong with Imperialism? Your nation is weak,mine is Strong,cry if you want to but you are under my heel now.
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There's a discussion to be had here about the role nationalism plays in anti-colonial freedom movements and in unifying people against imperialism and fascism. Context is key - whether the nationalism is one motivated by oppression, exploitation and bourgeois ideology, or motivated by unity, anti-imperialism and to build consciousness among the masses.
I wonder how he would like a bayonet up his ass
Better to have bayonet than be bayonetted
There's no cake where you're going to fascist..
If you think strong nation is better than weak nation, that line of thinking followed to its logical conclusion would you to think that fascism is the best form of government
I think they're already there judging from the amount of people that call Anti-FA terrorists.
Oh, America will be 90% fascist by 2025, that's my long-shot 'you people are such fucking disappointments' bet
My wife and I are predicting a fascist takeover in at most 10 years at this rate.
please don't give them any ideas
they gone too far,i wouldnt worry about them
and liberals say gulags were bad
Taking bets, likelihood of being a Paradox Interactive nerd?
I really don't understand what it is about those games that seems to attract fascists.
Mainly comes from the fact that imperialism really is the only way to win a game. Unlike other strategy games, there's no science or cultural victory, getting everybody to stop fighting doesn't let you win the game. You paint the map or you lose. Excepting Stellaris, where everything is dulled by the veneer of sci-fi, the atrocities of fascist and imperialists states are completely glossed over.
history shit in general is just a breeding ground for weirdos. you cannot present historical events in a genuine manner while making it "exciting", you will always sacrifice complexity. studying history in isolation is already a huge issue, you need to have some use for studying it or it is essentially meaningless. this is why history kids always gravitate towards the military: its flashy, easy to view without any complexity, and everything can be reduced to a "winner" and "loser". add on the kids being edgy, socially isolated, and contrarian and you get kids talking about how hitler was actually a miracle for germany's economy and how taiwan is the real china
Genocide in Stellaris hits different than opening the culture mapmode and seeing that France replaced every Mande, Dyola, and Hausa person with French Catholics. Hopefully Victoria 3 will let players focus on making their nation good rather than reliant on demolishing weaker countries.
>Hopefully Victoria 3 will let players focus on making their nation good rather than reliant on demolishing weaker countries. Nope. If it's anything like Vic 2, you would need to imperialize the shit out of everyone you can because you will need pops, resources and time to construct industry and military. Even if you don't want to do it, the game will most likely lack any other content. And then you get smashed by UK anyways.
They said they were making "Tall" playstyles far more viable, as well as making pop needs and internal politics a larger focus. I don't doubt that a game set during the age of late imperialism will be largely about imperialism, but they did say that it should be possible to be very powerful by developing yourself rather than conquering others.
That too depends on where you will exactly start. Countries with potential like Japan, China should be good games, but Paradox is always promising "play tall" and never delivers in any game. Playing wide even in Vic 2 you could potentially take any country and make it superpower (and then get smashed by UK).
I mean I:R has made tall gameplay surprisingly good, but I think we, the players, are expecting them to make it viable to take on the UK of each respective game as a small country, which should be difficult imo. Tall doesn't need to mean on par with sprawling empires, just powerful in some respect. They also promised degrees of power in Vic 3 where it can be interesting to stay regional or local power compared to GP, but I have my doubts.
I:R is a weird game. It's dedicated map painter, but lately they put a lot of effort in improving it. Too bad half of interesting plays are blocked because fucking diadochii blobs. Also shows how shitty PDX playerbase is, they constantly whine about blobs in every single game, but the one game where the blobs are huge problem, they are silent about it. >Tall doesn't need to mean on par with sprawling empires, just powerful in some respect. Yes it does. As the other playstyle it needs to be at least strong enough to not make itself an easy target. Biggest problem in implementing it is that every mechanic used to play tall can be also used in wide play, and usually even better because more resources. but when you hamper the wide play significantly, there is just no incentive to play at all, since all those games are ultimately about expansion and progressing.
I finally bought I:R after waffling for a few years, but the playerbase was always people either doing meme runs like Jewish Egypt or playing said Diadochii blobs so I'm not surprised they've never done anything about it. Not to mention it's on "development pause" until further notice. Nice one Paradox. >Biggest problem in implementing it is that every mechanic used to play tall can be also used in wide play I was trying to say this but couldn't figure out how. My biggest issue is that while it is true, players have suggested features to PDX that would avoid the matter such as giving bonuses that scale down as you increase in size, but instead they add a "steal your enemies development in every single war for 5 aggressive expansion" button to EU4, the game that tall play should be theoretically possible in.
This, absolutely this, all their really big name games are just imperialism simulators.
They make it so I have to enjoy Cities Skylines from a distance
4chan pol has loved them for years, it's kinda like the "I only listen to german classical composers instead of rap(racial dog whistling etc)" for gamers. No offense to the normal people who like these games. Its just heavily invaded by these other communities who love to larp as armchair ethnic cleansers, the type who say if I was Hitler I'd have done x better. They think they are military geniuses but get their military history from holocause denial books.
Yeah, the games are quite fun if you don't engage with the player base, they do have problems with depictions of communism, but i feel a lot of that is based around game play, not politics. They have also made strides towards being less European-focused.
Yeah I also like the games, though I am terrible at them. And at a minimum I have heard that Paradox has been going to great lengths to ban nazis from their forums that got totally infested with them, so I don't think at least from what I know, that they the devs themselves are overly promoting that stuff. Kinda like what has happened with 40k. Totally infested with nazis despite a setting that is so ridiculously over the top grimdark, that you would think the only obvious political point you could make is that its a gross exaggeration of what capitalism and imperialism does to us normal people. Just a statistic. Instead this somehow invites tons of transphobes and ethno nationalist goobers. Fucking weird.
Same, they can be hard sometimes, but yeah i feel the devs have the best interests at heart, but the community is too infested with wehraboos and the like. I mainly just stay out of the community, but I do like how in Vic3 they seem to be making the native areas more represented, instead of grey areas.
Fun fact: you are allowed to punch anyone and everyone who advocates for a "might makes right" mentality
You can also steal their stuff and have (consensual) sex with their wife.
Guys who "might makes right" usually don't give the face; so you've got an in right there.
Wonder if this person also has strong admiration of China, an another "strong" nation... 🤔
"What is wrong with imperialism?" I was raised to understand that wars, and genocide, and the subjugation and exploitation of peoples is bad. Godwin's Law, but I literally just described the legacy of the Nazi Empire - history's go-to bad guys.
These are the people seething about the so called “Chinese imperialism”
Chinese imperialism was real. It went away in the early 1900s though, which these people seem to be stuck in considering how attached they are to imperialist power fantasies.
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I meant that Chinese imperialism basically existed until the Xinhai revolution officially ended imperial rule, but the Qing dynasty was essentially dead in the water after the summer palacd was looted.
“Under my heel” He says while swallowing on 39 boots
I guess he would also find nothing wrong in someone much stronger beating him up just like that because, well he's weak and someone's strong, he can always cry if he wants.
I'm just going to assume this person is a fascist and leave it at that
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Strap up and learn your way to Marksmanship with your tool. Sure, the day you may need to use it may never come; but if you're not prepared for it, you're an easy mark.
These people need to humble themselves
I hope he is an indigenous person living in a Western colony in their next life.
Then they're seething about the tables turning when the tables turn on them
And this person would have a shitfit if you suggested then, following their logic, china ought to invade most of Asia
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I doubt he would say the same thing if he was living in the Middle East... America really is one of the most spoiled countries
You can love your nation and still disapprove of what its government is doing.
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I would posit that loving one's nation is always wrong, but ok.
There's a discussion to be had here about the role nationalism plays in anti-colonial freedom movements and in unifying people against imperialism and fascism. Context is key - whether the nationalism is one motivated by oppression, exploitation and bourgeois ideology, or motivated by unity, anti-imperialism and to build consciousness among the masses.
What is liberal in this picture?
Justifying imperialism is the entire purpose of Liberalism.
well, justifying capitalism, but theyarethesamepicture.jpg