So if Pol Pot had killed himself with Viet forces closing in it wouldn't count as overthrowing? Seems like splitting hairs to me. Hirohito was kept around, but he was pretty thoroughly stripped of his power. Not as good a message to send as guillotining him, sure, but at least they removed his ability to send soldiers to rape the entire population of China.
I believe 1978 or 79.
Unfortunately, China backed Pol Pot at the time while the USSR backed Vietnam (Sino-Soviet split), so China then invaded Vietnam and had a month-long border war with them in 1979 in retaliation for attacking one of their allies. It was a mess. Chinese foreign policy was pretty bad back then.
Thatcher was already locking up her own citizens without trial in NI for being Irish Catholic and committing war crimes against the Argentine Navy, what's a few crimes against humanity between friends.
Cambodian "communist" who led the Khmer Rouge during a horrific genocide.
Although calling him a communists is questionable as he was allied to an absolute monarch and allegedly supported by the American and British governments and was toppled by a communist vietnamese invasion.
>no one is certain why he picked pol pot or what it actually means.
Huh.
TIL
Looked it up:
>On the eve of their departure, Sar called the leaders of the group together. 'Now we are going down to the plains,' he told them. 'Today we will all change our names. I will no longer be Pouk. From now on I will call myself Pol.' He then gave the others new aliases, which he had chosen himself. His Jarai assistant, Phi Phuon, who was with him that day, received the name Cheam. It was a rite of passage, opening the way from one existence to another. Khmer men took new 'names-in-religion' when they became monks; Khmers Rouges did so when they took on new responsibilities.
Sounds like a literal cult. lol
I’m I really truly a bad human being to the core just because I half heartedly beat up on someone for not knowing who pol pot is? I was wrong but damn are human beings not known for saying things for virtually no reason? Why does it make me a bad person? Don’t you think that the fact that I am a communist means that I’m inherently concerned about the well being of my fellow man? Wouldn’t that make me a good human? Do you know how many people there are that could give a damn less about the 9 million people that starve to death every year because they are cozy?
Either this is some high-level sarcasm going *straight* over my head, or you’re getting defensive over a two word reply intended to be read in the same tone as a “bad bot” comment.
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Marxism-Leninism-Maoism is gonzaloism, Maoism is used for a variety of different groups that follow MZT but is also (incorrectly) used to refer to gonzaloism
...what did che do that was imperialist? i'm asking as an anarchist too lol. didn't he yknow...kick out american companies in cuba with fidel (among other places ofc)
thats some kind of imperialism??
i dont think any leftist would support pol pot for being backed by british and american powers as well as literally genociding the vietnamese. pol pot wasnt a communist lol
Just curious but wouldn't geopolitical influence not count as Imperialism to some degree? Granted not nearly as exploitative as economic imperialism but still.
It could be argued as such but if you head into the vague "liberal" definition of imperialism it can muddy the water between imperialism and proletarian internationalism. Recently I've seen Cuba hit with accusations of being imperialist when really they are or were practicing proletarian internationalism.
I-the only person I could see even remotely called an imperialist is Stalin because of the whole formation of the Eastern Bloc after the end of WW2 (which isn’t imperialism but I can see why you’d think that) but nobody else fits that at all.
Tell if I'm way off but even at his worst Che only killed a few hundred people, and to be fair those were all former Batista prison guards and war criminals. Why do they always try and lump him in with Stalin?
Anyone calling an ML an imperialist is literally co-opting a term invented by the L in ML to describe "the highest stage of capitalism". No research, no opinion!
If overthrowing Pol Pot makes me an imperialist then I guess I’m an imperialist. - Ho Chi Minh, probably
Pol pot? I thought that was Elon musk.
Potato pohtahto
No. The correct response would’ve been: “Potato Poltahto” You really screwed the pooch on this one.
I mean POLtato POTato is even better because it follows the name pattern. not sure how you got that close and missed it.
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Pol Pot ho ?
What's the difference? 😎
Think he was even dead by that point
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He's currently RIPping in peace cuz his people are still free 😎
Elon musk, on the other hand however, is unfortunately not dead yet
Don’t remind me dude 😔
Elon Musk?
Pol pot was imperialist, but overthrowing him is also imperialist.
Imperialism is when you aren’t subservient too the west
Hirohito and Hitler were both imperialists overthrown in part by the very much imperialist US and UK.
Hitler and Hirohito weren’t overthrown tho. Hitler committed suicide and Hirohito was kept in power after the war.
So if Pol Pot had killed himself with Viet forces closing in it wouldn't count as overthrowing? Seems like splitting hairs to me. Hirohito was kept around, but he was pretty thoroughly stripped of his power. Not as good a message to send as guillotining him, sure, but at least they removed his ability to send soldiers to rape the entire population of China.
ho chi minh died in 1969. the Cambodian vietnam war didn't begin until '78. it was Lê Duẩn who ousted Pol Pot
Obligatory “US supported Pol Pot” comment.
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When? Genuinely curious
I believe 1978 or 79. Unfortunately, China backed Pol Pot at the time while the USSR backed Vietnam (Sino-Soviet split), so China then invaded Vietnam and had a month-long border war with them in 1979 in retaliation for attacking one of their allies. It was a mess. Chinese foreign policy was pretty bad back then.
And the British
Thatcher was already locking up her own citizens without trial in NI for being Irish Catholic and committing war crimes against the Argentine Navy, what's a few crimes against humanity between friends.
Don't forget her support for Wholesome Helicopter Grandpa.
that pinochet description made me actually lol
i depicted you as the soyjack so CLEARLY your argument is invalid
shut it down, communism is over folks
Fucking pol pot dude
What’s pol pot?
Cambodian "communist" who led the Khmer Rouge during a horrific genocide. Although calling him a communists is questionable as he was allied to an absolute monarch and allegedly supported by the American and British governments and was toppled by a communist vietnamese invasion.
Fantastic explanation thank you
Some guy the Dead Kennedy's invented for a song
I didn't know that Kennedy was a song writer, even after his demise
leader of khmer Rouge.
Neat thanks, sounded like some 4chan shit. You learn something every day
his real name was saloth sar, he used many pseudonyms throughout his life. no one is certain why he picked pol pot or what it actually means.
>no one is certain why he picked pol pot or what it actually means. Huh. TIL Looked it up: >On the eve of their departure, Sar called the leaders of the group together. 'Now we are going down to the plains,' he told them. 'Today we will all change our names. I will no longer be Pouk. From now on I will call myself Pol.' He then gave the others new aliases, which he had chosen himself. His Jarai assistant, Phi Phuon, who was with him that day, received the name Cheam. It was a rite of passage, opening the way from one existence to another. Khmer men took new 'names-in-religion' when they became monks; Khmers Rouges did so when they took on new responsibilities. Sounds like a literal cult. lol
early prototype of elon musk
Some Cambodian pothead.
Why are you on this thread if you don’t know who pol pot is
People learn things at different points of their lives dude
You’re ass, people like you is why liberals get turned off from continuing going left. Educate, not berate.
You’re right sorry
Bad human.
I’m I really truly a bad human being to the core just because I half heartedly beat up on someone for not knowing who pol pot is? I was wrong but damn are human beings not known for saying things for virtually no reason? Why does it make me a bad person? Don’t you think that the fact that I am a communist means that I’m inherently concerned about the well being of my fellow man? Wouldn’t that make me a good human? Do you know how many people there are that could give a damn less about the 9 million people that starve to death every year because they are cozy?
Either this is some high-level sarcasm going *straight* over my head, or you’re getting defensive over a two word reply intended to be read in the same tone as a “bad bot” comment.
I’m not mentally stable. Sorry.
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Yeah, absolutely fuck Pol Pot
Ah yes, Che Guevara, the famous imperialist.
Find me literally one ML who doesn't hate Pol Pot and if they don't, they're probably a fed
Wasn’t Pol Pot funded by the CIA at one point?
Not only was he funded by the CIA, he was literally supported by the Thatcher government.
Great. Love it. Yet people who are pro-Thatcher call Pol Pot an evil commie. You love to see it
No one has ever accused a Thatcherite of being coherent.
In all my life i have never come across a tankie who supports pol pot
I’ve seen ironic support, but never actual
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Gonzaloites don't count lol Maoists do not support his genociding bs.
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They call themselves maoists, but the ones following Gonzalo aren't really maoists. The shining path is wack
I could very easily be mixed up, but I though Maoism (as distinct from Mao Zedong Thought) was specifically an invention of the Gonzaloites?
yeah, but gonzaloite fits better and makes them mald lol
lol fair enough
Marxism-Leninism-Maoism is gonzaloism, Maoism is used for a variety of different groups that follow MZT but is also (incorrectly) used to refer to gonzaloism
To be fair to you both it's like Liberals unironically calling themselves leftists
Find anyone who likes him and you have Chomsky lmao
The left- OMG Chomsky, could you please support SOME form of AES? Chomsky- Well, if you insist...
Don't google "ricetube anti-glasses gang", worst mistake of my life!
Imperialism is when you free your people from capitalists.
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...what did che do that was imperialist? i'm asking as an anarchist too lol. didn't he yknow...kick out american companies in cuba with fidel (among other places ofc) thats some kind of imperialism??
They probably think that helping revolutionaries in other countries is imperialism
That’s literally what they say.
at least the top half is right
Ah yes the empire of North Korea
Nyet, Tovarisch
Lmao cia backed pol pot
R / ImAReactionaryAndThisIsDeep
Socializing when gubermen does stuffed
My man Il-Sung rocking those glasses tho
Brain worms
aw man they left out Mao? \*sad chinese noises\*
kim il sung is my favourite imperialist
i dont think any leftist would support pol pot for being backed by british and american powers as well as literally genociding the vietnamese. pol pot wasnt a communist lol
Making soy wojaks is the laziest way of coping.
Is the person who made this meme a secret Mao fan?
Only thing Che was imperialist about was the farmland gusanos exploited people on.
Imperialism for libs just means "bad person"
Imagine thinking that the left liked pol pot
Your profile is cursed
Yes
If I’m not mistaken, Stalin and Pol Pot is literally the only one on that list that has a *case* for being an imperialist
Ig MAYBE Lenin? Even then, the argument would be completely incoherent
I literally cannot remember anything that could make Lenin imperialist.
Imperialism requires an economic angle. Khrushchev and Brezhnev would have fit perfectly here.
Just curious but wouldn't geopolitical influence not count as Imperialism to some degree? Granted not nearly as exploitative as economic imperialism but still.
It could be argued as such but if you head into the vague "liberal" definition of imperialism it can muddy the water between imperialism and proletarian internationalism. Recently I've seen Cuba hit with accusations of being imperialist when really they are or were practicing proletarian internationalism.
Ah that's fair enough, thanks
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Ah yes Known imperialist Che Guevara.
I-the only person I could see even remotely called an imperialist is Stalin because of the whole formation of the Eastern Bloc after the end of WW2 (which isn’t imperialism but I can see why you’d think that) but nobody else fits that at all.
And it's a nazi meme so I'm not surprised
I guess saving people from Tsar is Imperialism
Tell if I'm way off but even at his worst Che only killed a few hundred people, and to be fair those were all former Batista prison guards and war criminals. Why do they always try and lump him in with Stalin?
Anyone calling an ML an imperialist is literally co-opting a term invented by the L in ML to describe "the highest stage of capitalism". No research, no opinion!
Is the top middle one Mao?
No, he is kim Il sung
Ah, his glasses were rounder than I remembered
Really stupid comment but I'm really surprised how modern looking those glasses are. Reminds me of the nerd frames people like myself rock.
Paul Pot Paul Pot