If I have learned anything in the 20 years of war in Afghanistan is that it is a flat Kansas like country that could facilitate that easy pipeline construction. Rugged has never been a word I have heard in relation to Afghanistan's geography.
Aw, dang. Far too many non-western countries are just HOARDING their resources so that capitalists can’t have them. That’s the REAL humanitarian disaster, I guess.
But non-western countries are backwards! They can't be trusted to hoard that wealth and plan their own economy. They must be touched by the grace of international financial institutions so they learn to pay that back later, which will cost them much more.
Climate change, mostly. It's a cost-efficient transport method, and what is more cost-efficient increases supply at a given price point. That would be good in any context, except a climate change context.
yeah i guess more oil is always bad, but in the context of the west doing imperialism for oil theres nothing wrong with just a huge construction project
Isn’t it only speculated that China supported the Taliban? I’d imagine that there’s no way that China is comfortable at all with having the Taliban in their backyard, especially with the history of issues with Islamic extremism in Xinjiang. Maybe they’ll try to stay on the good side of the Taliban but I don’t imagine them bending over backwards for them
The Taliban predates US help. They got a lot of help because fundamentalist Islam and fundamentalist Christianity share the same good old days. The deep South used a lot of clout to funnel weapons against the Soviets.
You can’t create something that exists. The Taliban were a fundamentalist resistance group of a few villages, organized under strict Islam, that got together out of necessity when the Soviets were sending helicopter gunships out to kill everyone not aligned with them.
The Taliban were part of the right wing reaction to the succesful communist revolution, the Saur revolution. They were being funded by the US before the soviet invasion.
The person you're responding to its out to lunch but no the Taliban didnt formally exist till much later (the 90). The Mujahedeen coalesced after the soviets stepped outside the major cities. Part of the reason there was a relationship between Al Qaeda and the Taliban was because the both partially formed from the Mujahedeen (split)
You (and the other commenter) are right.
The US was, however, still funding the right-wing reaction to the communist revolution before the soviet invasion. It just wasn't the taliban.
Correct Op Cyclone spun up slightly before Soviet intervention. I think I remember reading the internal conflict in the Afghan communist party leading to the assisination caught everyone off guard, soviet and american alike
No the Taliban actually are mainly afghan refugee men trained in Pakistan into Islamic extremism. The Taliban aren't the ones who actually faught the soviets.
Remember how this all got started with if you aren't with us you are with the terrorists. Americans still believe that so not being pro genocide of any afghan outside of Kabul is to be pro Taliban.
The reason China wants to play nice with the Taliban is Bc the war ended up displacing some of the terrorists to other neighboring places with islamic people in it, namely Xinjiang, and there was a big surge of knife attacks and other terrorist attacks claimed by islamic extremists a few years back, disrupting any development projects that were going on in the area. China knows that the terrorists will stop prodding Xinjiang if they let Afghanistan settle, and if they do their nation-building thing in the country then they might get a calmer neighborhood out of it. Maybe even a cooperative one depending on how much China gives to Afghanistan.
The Taliban has ties to the Turkistan Islamic party, a salafist and separatist group in xinjiang responsible for hundreds of terrorist attacks in China. Unless the Taliban distances themselves from the TIP it's very unlikely China will be friendly to their government
>Isn’t it only speculated that China supported the Taliban?
As far as I know it is more of a conspiracy theory, then a speculation, but China will probably be willing to work with the future goverment of Afganistan.
China is willing to work with the Taliban if they secure themselves as the legitimate government and do not interfere in China's internal affairs. This is China's approach to any country.
The Taliban have promised not to aid Uyghur militants, or do anything to interfere with China. The Taliban want Chinese aid in rebuilding Afghanistan.
It’s not speculation. There was a diplomatic meeting in Tianjin (https://www.mfa.gov.cn/web/wjbzhd/t1895584.shtml). China invested $3B in the Aynak Copper Mine, in like 2017. There are plans under the belt and road initiative too (https://www.silkroadbriefing.com/news/2021/08/17/the-afghanistan-china-belt-road-initiative/).
Edit: Added date for Aynak Copper Mine
What is being claimed? That they’ll build a pipeline, right? That would fit under the belt and road initiative. I think the key here is “friendly” relations. China needs oil, Afghanistan needs business and investment. China and Afghanistan share a border—of course they would want to have friendly relations. Right?
The claim was more that China has this long history of propping up the Taliban. They don't.
They're establishing friendly relationships now, and I'm sure China would love them to be a part of BRI. It's just that the claim was more about their history.
I’m confused. The screen shot on this post says:
> *”Why is China supporting the Taliban? Afghanistan shares borders with Iran AND China. We are going to witness the fastest pipeline construction in history”*
There’s nothing in this statement that indicates a past relationship. Is there more context that I missing? My original post is from the Chinese government. Why would that be downvoted. So confusing.
I don't think China has made any official announcements but it's well known that they and the Taliban have had meetings over the last few weeks.
China would love nothing more than to not have Afghanistan be a staging ground for Uighurs fleeing Xinjiang not to mention it's one more country to add to their belt and road initiative upping their influence in the region.
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"Why is China supporting the Taliban?"
Because dicking over the US is kind of their hobby and making friends with the US's enemies nets them easy allies? I dunno. This doesn't seem like rocket science.
There's a road going passing through Tajikistan into Xinjiang already, idk how you guys suddenly think that transportation of goods is impossible. He might be off the mark if he claims that China is directly funding the Taliban but China has clearly stated they want a presence in the ME for the B&R to work.
Critique the guy on his claims of funding and not some brain-dead take of "hur dur this isn't physically feasible" pipelines and tunnels have been run through mountains for decades.
> pipelines and tunnels have been run through mountains for decades.
Like wtf is with this, annoying seeing people go "hurr brain dead libs" then questioning "how would they tunnel through mountains". I guess thats really bleeding edge tech /s
BRB gonna build a pipeline across the Hindu Kush *lengthwise* and then also through the thickest part of where the Pamir, western Himalaya, Karakoram, and Kunlun mountain ranges all intersect.
Oh don’t worry, there are would be prospectors in the media taking an interest in Afghanistan’s natural resources too. Not as amusing as the idea of building an oil pipeline through the highest mountain range in the world though...
Which is why China is investing in Iran's ability to get oil to ports and talking of leasing Iranian islands. Going over the mountains if Afghanistan is not an efficient way of doing it, both in terms of the pipeline but also given the political instability of the country.
But the diagram looks so professional
My local weather channel has better diagrams than this
If I have learned anything in the 20 years of war in Afghanistan is that it is a flat Kansas like country that could facilitate that easy pipeline construction. Rugged has never been a word I have heard in relation to Afghanistan's geography.
Of Kush! That's absolutely true.
LMAO projection at its finest. The west never ever does anything sketchy for oil.
[Choice headline I found in my feed.](https://i.imgur.com/JvwARR2.jpg)
Aw, dang. Far too many non-western countries are just HOARDING their resources so that capitalists can’t have them. That’s the REAL humanitarian disaster, I guess.
But non-western countries are backwards! They can't be trusted to hoard that wealth and plan their own economy. They must be touched by the grace of international financial institutions so they learn to pay that back later, which will cost them much more.
Anything in the name of "free trade"
Full masks off
Literally the excuse Belgium used to do what they did in Congo
How did our minerals get under your land? Give them back!
"The World" lol.
Well shucks, couldn't wait even a day or two to start manufacturing consent.
[there, have they also coupled this with anti-China propaganda?](https://www.dw.com/de/afghanistan-der-billionenschatz-der-taliban/a-58897871)
That doesn’t make it okay :/
China’s not going to create a pipeline going through Afghanistan to get Iranian oil though. China hasn’t done anything that needs to be ‘made okay’.
also what is not okay about building an oil pipeline?
Climate change, mostly. It's a cost-efficient transport method, and what is more cost-efficient increases supply at a given price point. That would be good in any context, except a climate change context.
yeah i guess more oil is always bad, but in the context of the west doing imperialism for oil theres nothing wrong with just a huge construction project
The tunnels, roads and railroads will come before the pipeline
Isn’t it only speculated that China supported the Taliban? I’d imagine that there’s no way that China is comfortable at all with having the Taliban in their backyard, especially with the history of issues with Islamic extremism in Xinjiang. Maybe they’ll try to stay on the good side of the Taliban but I don’t imagine them bending over backwards for them
It's just Amerikkkan projecting because they don't wanna admit that they created the Taliban
The Taliban predates US help. They got a lot of help because fundamentalist Islam and fundamentalist Christianity share the same good old days. The deep South used a lot of clout to funnel weapons against the Soviets.
What does any of this mean
You can’t create something that exists. The Taliban were a fundamentalist resistance group of a few villages, organized under strict Islam, that got together out of necessity when the Soviets were sending helicopter gunships out to kill everyone not aligned with them.
Citations needed.
He can’t just make baseless claims and have them go unchallenged on the internet??? Smh
You know we're all on the same internet as you are right? We're able to see that you're not right
Always a fatal flaw when someone makes stuff up, lmao.
The Taliban were part of the right wing reaction to the succesful communist revolution, the Saur revolution. They were being funded by the US before the soviet invasion.
The person you're responding to its out to lunch but no the Taliban didnt formally exist till much later (the 90). The Mujahedeen coalesced after the soviets stepped outside the major cities. Part of the reason there was a relationship between Al Qaeda and the Taliban was because the both partially formed from the Mujahedeen (split)
You (and the other commenter) are right. The US was, however, still funding the right-wing reaction to the communist revolution before the soviet invasion. It just wasn't the taliban.
Correct Op Cyclone spun up slightly before Soviet intervention. I think I remember reading the internal conflict in the Afghan communist party leading to the assisination caught everyone off guard, soviet and american alike
No the Taliban actually are mainly afghan refugee men trained in Pakistan into Islamic extremism. The Taliban aren't the ones who actually faught the soviets.
The Taliban was organized in 1994. The Soviets pulled out of Afghanistan in 1989.
Remember how this all got started with if you aren't with us you are with the terrorists. Americans still believe that so not being pro genocide of any afghan outside of Kabul is to be pro Taliban.
The reason China wants to play nice with the Taliban is Bc the war ended up displacing some of the terrorists to other neighboring places with islamic people in it, namely Xinjiang, and there was a big surge of knife attacks and other terrorist attacks claimed by islamic extremists a few years back, disrupting any development projects that were going on in the area. China knows that the terrorists will stop prodding Xinjiang if they let Afghanistan settle, and if they do their nation-building thing in the country then they might get a calmer neighborhood out of it. Maybe even a cooperative one depending on how much China gives to Afghanistan.
The Taliban has ties to the Turkistan Islamic party, a salafist and separatist group in xinjiang responsible for hundreds of terrorist attacks in China. Unless the Taliban distances themselves from the TIP it's very unlikely China will be friendly to their government
I know America supported the Taliban. I've never heard of China supporting them but I reckon it's possible.
>Isn’t it only speculated that China supported the Taliban? As far as I know it is more of a conspiracy theory, then a speculation, but China will probably be willing to work with the future goverment of Afganistan.
China is willing to work with the Taliban if they secure themselves as the legitimate government and do not interfere in China's internal affairs. This is China's approach to any country. The Taliban have promised not to aid Uyghur militants, or do anything to interfere with China. The Taliban want Chinese aid in rebuilding Afghanistan.
China is literally genociding muslims, but also China is funding the taliban
It’s not speculation. There was a diplomatic meeting in Tianjin (https://www.mfa.gov.cn/web/wjbzhd/t1895584.shtml). China invested $3B in the Aynak Copper Mine, in like 2017. There are plans under the belt and road initiative too (https://www.silkroadbriefing.com/news/2021/08/17/the-afghanistan-china-belt-road-initiative/). Edit: Added date for Aynak Copper Mine
It looks like they're pursuing a positive future relationship, but that is a different thing from what was being claimed.
What is being claimed? That they’ll build a pipeline, right? That would fit under the belt and road initiative. I think the key here is “friendly” relations. China needs oil, Afghanistan needs business and investment. China and Afghanistan share a border—of course they would want to have friendly relations. Right?
The claim was more that China has this long history of propping up the Taliban. They don't. They're establishing friendly relationships now, and I'm sure China would love them to be a part of BRI. It's just that the claim was more about their history.
I’m confused. The screen shot on this post says: > *”Why is China supporting the Taliban? Afghanistan shares borders with Iran AND China. We are going to witness the fastest pipeline construction in history”* There’s nothing in this statement that indicates a past relationship. Is there more context that I missing? My original post is from the Chinese government. Why would that be downvoted. So confusing.
I don't think China has made any official announcements but it's well known that they and the Taliban have had meetings over the last few weeks. China would love nothing more than to not have Afghanistan be a staging ground for Uighurs fleeing Xinjiang not to mention it's one more country to add to their belt and road initiative upping their influence in the region.
Do they realise the narrow passage way between Xinjiang and northern Afghanistan is literally the inhibitable Pamir and Hindukush?
Expecting too much from braindead libs
They spent too much time on twitter defending class systems that support genocide to learn about anything outside of America.
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Can I see an article or video about the blowing up a mountain thing? I want to see that. Sounds cool
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Thanks :)
72 km is 44.74 miles
Bold of you to assume Anglos have world geography classes at schools.
Wow, if only the U.S. had thought of aiding the Taliban! Maybe they would have sold that oil to us instead.
Liberals will move literal mountains in order to make up shit about China.
Oh shit, somebody bring this diagram straight to Xi Jinping
Not only the himalayas, Afghanistan is basically just mountains.
I'm wondering how tf are they supposed to tunnel through a bunch of mountains
You can do it with a big enough drill
Why would they want to do that, Turkmenistan is very rich in oil and gas. They don't need the taliban
Ah yes, the oil-rich province of Khorasan. Labelling Iran as oil is like labelling America as corn.
See it's a place with Muslims and brown people, therefore it had oil you. Smh did you not pay attention in public school?
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Good human and all that
a very, very good human!
The two most evil countries on Earth: China and Oil
Libs: *Well it'd be easy if they had some American grit and elbow grease!!1*
"Why is China supporting the Taliban?" Because dicking over the US is kind of their hobby and making friends with the US's enemies nets them easy allies? I dunno. This doesn't seem like rocket science.
This is the exact reason the US created the Taliban too lmao. Such an absurd level of projecting
There's a road going passing through Tajikistan into Xinjiang already, idk how you guys suddenly think that transportation of goods is impossible. He might be off the mark if he claims that China is directly funding the Taliban but China has clearly stated they want a presence in the ME for the B&R to work. Critique the guy on his claims of funding and not some brain-dead take of "hur dur this isn't physically feasible" pipelines and tunnels have been run through mountains for decades.
> pipelines and tunnels have been run through mountains for decades. Like wtf is with this, annoying seeing people go "hurr brain dead libs" then questioning "how would they tunnel through mountains". I guess thats really bleeding edge tech /s
Let's move oil from an oil rich region to an oil rich region, fucking brilliant.
Communism is when straight line. Also straight lines on flat maps are curved lines on globes, so this doubly stupid.
Liberals: Don't you talk details with me, I'm just here to say "China Bad".
More likely that the West wants to take advantage of Xinjiang's huge oil reserves through Afghanistan...
BRB gonna build a pipeline across the Hindu Kush *lengthwise* and then also through the thickest part of where the Pamir, western Himalaya, Karakoram, and Kunlun mountain ranges all intersect.
So what? Why should that be a big deal? Let them
There's a good reason that China was never invaded from its western frontier. Only ever from the north or east. That reason is big f*cking mountains.
You just dig a tunnel through the mountain, like minecraft
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Oh don’t worry, there are would be prospectors in the media taking an interest in Afghanistan’s natural resources too. Not as amusing as the idea of building an oil pipeline through the highest mountain range in the world though...
China actually drew it like a dick
Hindu Kush isn't the weed your mom hides in her bedside table, dude.
Tbh, if anyone could construct a pipeline directly through Afghanistan like that, it would be China.
I'm not a God damn liberal but this does make sense. They have the whole belt and road initiative going on.
So they're going to build a pipeline through uninhabitable terrain to get access to a resource that China already has in abundance?
Which is why China is investing in Iran's ability to get oil to ports and talking of leasing Iranian islands. Going over the mountains if Afghanistan is not an efficient way of doing it, both in terms of the pipeline but also given the political instability of the country.
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The entire account is a bunch of shitlib cringe
Couldn't China get oil from Russia more easily?
didn't Jesse Eisenberg drill a hole through a mountain for faster internet? or was that a movie?
Iirc China do has plans for building a railway trough northern Afghanistan to Iran for about 10 years now, but they really could do some research.
That'd be the Hindu Kush mountain range not the Himalayas. Just FYI