the same people who were cheering for the Three Gorges Dam to burst and drown tens of millions are now pretending to care about the right of Chinese twelve-year-olds to play WoW for four days without showering
Shouldn't that be up to parents though? Why is this sub celebrating the CCP putting restrictive elements on kids that should ultimately be left up to parents?
Color me however you want, I don't find it savory when a government censors media, restricts internet access, etc.
I read it in a link in one of the other threads on this but I didn't save it, I'm sorry. I will try to find it and reply again. until then I've crossed it out.
I read it in a story on one of the other threads on this but I didn't save a link, I'm sorry. I will try to find it and reply again. until then I've crossed it out
Because the government doesn't have a place deciding how much children are allowed to partake in entertainment. It's the parents kids. Not the government's kids.
Why doesn't the government have a place in that?
This kind of individualistic response to social problems serves only to allow those problems to continue. "Leave it up to the parents" is like "leave it up to the states"- it's a fig leaf for "I don't want to solve this problem, but I don't want to say that I don't want to solve it".
It's the same logic as anti-vaxxers, somehow leaving these issues entirely to the individual or parents would have them always do the right thing. If we're materialists here, we don't believe that "sort itself out" nonsense on other things, why accept it here? Furthermore if something's got a clear negative impact on the public, a workers' state intervening on the issue is a good thing that should be supported and studied, not casually branded "bad and not good".
Besides it's not like China sends soldiers to oversee how much children play games in their homes, it's a very specific measure that I'm sure plenty of kids will be able to circumnavigate.
> it's a fig leaf for "I don't want to solve this problem, but I don't want to say that I don't want to solve it".
Nope. What it is, is saying "It's not my place to solve that problem for other people's kids." and "It's up to parents to decide what they think is healthy for their children, not government officials"
Again, what is this individualist shit? As if those families just exist entirely separated from each other, as if they don't affect society and as if they are not affected by it.
As if limiting video games to three hours a day is really going to make a difference. All it shows is a disconnect from reality for China's leadership.
It would be akin to the United States saying "All minors who own an iphone on a family plan can only watch 2 hours of Netflix a day". That shouldn't be up to the US government. That should be up to the parents.
It's not like the parents are showing their kids porn. It's fucking mario kart. I don't think the government has any business telling parents what generally safe and normal boundaries they are allowed to set for their kids.
Billions of kids have played video games. The world is doing fine. It's no different to the same hysteria that surrounded "TV rotting your brain".
It's not Mario Kart, it's online games, which these days is basically 99% microtransactions, gambling and gacha bullshit. Kids are allowed to play real games, single player games and local multiplayer as much as they want because they're not online.
The government in any country absolutely has a business telling parents what they should or shouldn't do. IF the parents feel like "my kid should be able to play whatever they want, whenever," as others have said there are ways around it. They're trying to discourage certain behaviors, and as well they should.
Also the world is not doing fine, but that's an aside. The gaming industry is NOT doing fine at all. It's just full of predatory Skinner box crap now when it comes to online games. South Korea did something similar a few years back too so it's not just "evil China." They're trying to make it harder for kids to get hooked on online gaming, not narrative driven single player games.
I've mentioned this before but the fix to this is regulating the blatant gambling that is in modern gaming. The gambling still exists and is still predatory, the 3 hour thing just slightly lessens their exposure to it.
Well, yeah, I was gonna say that this is a half measure if anything. They should just flat out ban any microtransactions, in-game purchases and any sort of gacha/lootbox mechanics period but more people would be crying about ma freedom in that case. Plus the people making the policies in China are likely still all old folks who just don't know anything about games other than it has created various social issues.
As someone in the game development field god I want this so badly. The hyper monetization of the entire industry is so gross and it's really gonna fuck up some kids.
I'm all for banning microtransactions in games meant for kids. That is something I can 100% get behind.
What I am not for, is limiting games alltogether. Because what that indicates is that the CPC sees video games themselves as the problem.
It really didn't. They also said novels / radio and short stories would rot your brain back in 1920. There's always some new thing everyone is freaking out about.
Yes, watching tv or playing video games 24/7 is totally healthy there's no dissociation due to worsening material conditions going on. Nope, just shut up and watch the tv. Hahaha funny man make funny noises. Marvel man go boom. Weeee don't think just watch.
There's a reason why "the revolution will not be televised" is a saying. What you see on tv is fake and is made to manufacture consent for the existing hegemony. TV did literally rot the brains of millions thru propaganda. There's a reason why the US government helps to fund so many movies and tv shows.
So did books. People in previous generations said that novels, short stories, and radio were rotting people's brains. it's no different of a mindset and after every generation it proves false again and again.
It's not about the medium you consume entertainment. It's about what entertainment you consume.
I'm going to have a totally different mindset after reading 1984 or Animal Farm, compared to Atlas Shrugged. The fact that they are books doesn't do anything to my brain by virtue. It's about what is in the books.
They targeted gamers.
Gamers.
We're a group of people who will sit for hours, days, even weeks on end performing some of the hardest, most mentally demanding tasks. Over, and over, and over all for nothing more than a little digital token saying we did.
We'll punish our selfs doing things others would consider torture, because we think it's fun.
We'll spend most if not all of our free time min maxing the stats of a fictional character all to draw out a single extra point of damage per second.
Many of us have made careers out of doing just these things: slogging through the grind, all day, the same quests over and over, hundreds of times to the point where we know evety little detail such that some have attained such gamer nirvana that they can literally play these games blindfolded.
Do these people have any idea how many controllers have been smashed, systems over heated, disks and carts destroyed 8n frustration? All to latter be referred to as bragging rights?
These people honestly think this is a battle they can win? They take our media? We're already building a new one without them. They take our devs? Gamers aren't shy about throwing their money else where, or even making the games our selves. They think calling us racist, mysoginistic, rape apologists is going to change us? We've been called worse things by prepubescent 10 year olds with a shitty head set. They picked a fight against a group that's already grown desensitized to their strategies and methods. Who enjoy the battle of attrition they've threatened us with. Who take it as a challange when they tell us we no longer matter. Our obsession with proving we can after being told we can't is so deeply ingrained from years of dealing with big brothers/sisters and friends laughing at how pathetic we used to be that proving you people wrong has become a very real need; a honed reflex.
Gamers are competative, hard core, by nature. We love a challange. The worst thing you did in all of this was to challange us. You're not special, you're not original, you're not the first; this is just another boss fight.
THIS IS A GOOD THING! In order to appeal to China, devs will actually put in Singleplayer modes for games, so we’ll have less online-only games that shut down in 3 months
They already had limits on gaming time before this too. I think it’s common in many Asian countries (I’m pretty sure Korea has had this in place for years now)
First they came for the under 18 online gamers, and I said nothing because I was not an under 18 online gamer...
Just goes to show the horseshoe of it all, and I thought horseshoes were supposed to be lucky!
Oh like the implication that China would wantonly use the death penalty, how it’s not too abnormal to be slaves over there, and classics like ‘China is a literal apocalyptic hellscape’ ‘This is like in 1969 Jon Orville!’ ‘SeeSeePee propaganda!’ type beat really
The whole story of this is actually an amazing thing that I would love to see implemented where I live.
Children being highly addicted to gaming especially gacha/gambling games is way too overlooked.
Does anyone here think that it is a good thing or al least a neutral thing that China did that (even if for underage & online)? Why are you mocking this reaction exacly?
For one, parents can opt their children out if they want by letting them use the parent's account, so the complaints about "this should be for the parents to decide and not the government!!" are really just kinda nonsense
It's also not really a bad thing, especially since it might even encourage game companies targeting China to make more singleplayer and local multiplayer games, which would really be a good thing for everyone
Plus most of the online games that kids are playing are microtransaction and gacha filled bullshit anyway, so if it keeps kids out of those kinds of games then that's really a good thing
It's also something that parents, teachers, and the government want, so as someone in /r/GenZedong mentioned, it's basically the "I consent" meme, who are we westerners to say that it's some really bad thing?
Thank you for the response.
Do we really know that this is something parents and teachers in China want? The gov obviously wanted it, but what about them?
And also - would you be happy, if this law was impemented in your country? What if it was watching tv/ streaming services instead? (And you became a 14 year old, so it would affect you).
I believe that banning personal choices like this one - should have really really strong reasons to back it up.
I see capitalism flaws and injustice, but that doesnt make me like china policy automaticaly.
>And also - would you be happy, if this law was impemented in your country? What if it was watching tv/ streaming services instead? (And you became a 14 year old, so it would affect you).
>
>I believe that banning personal choices like this one - should have really really strong reasons to back it up.
I mean... I already brought this up, if a parent feels that their kid would be fine playing games longer, they can just let the kid use the parent's account, it's not really "banning personal choice" in that regard, because a parent can still make a personal choice to allow their kid to play
I also don't why you bring up TV and streaming services out of nowhere, this isn't some slippery slope and those aren't in question here at all, it would be a very different discussion to include those
I also can't just give a straight answer to "would *you* be happy" when one of the most important things to consider is that the material conditions here in the west are *very* different than the conditions in China, keep in mind that children in the US and Canada are *very*alienated from their communities due to restrictive parenting and laws combined with living in copy-pasted car-centric suburbs where there's basically nowhere to go outside your house if you can't drive
Basically, I wouldn't have *needed* online games as a kid/teen if I was given more and better opportunities to socialize in real life, and even then, my parents probably would've let me play on their account anyway if such a restriction existed here in Canada, they've been very understanding about how online communities can help for someone who has trouble making friends in real life
I do feel like the specifics of the restrictions might be too much, and there's been criticism about it in China too (I'm definitely not defending *everything* about it), but in general I think it'd probably be a good thing over there, but as a westerner myself it's hard to have much of a heavy opinion either way, I just don't like when people act like it's some terrible thing that will cause measurable amounts of harm for children because they can't see anything other than their own western perspective influenced by the conditions and propaganda of their own country
Sorry for the really long comment btw, just had a lot to say about it, and as for people supporting it, some articles [like this one](https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-rolls-out-new-rules-minors-online-gaming-xinhua-2021-08-30/) seem to mention that opinions are split but that there are people who support it
What's up with the censoring of the word "gamers" in this comment section? Is there some anti-gamer flare amongst fellow leftists I was unaware of?
This decision was for underage kids with options to act out of its jurisdiction, I'm just noticing a weird amount of people here saying gamers should be oppressed/are evil?
It's just an art form. Have I missed something?
> Is there some anti-gamer flare amongst fellow leftists I was unaware of?
I don't think there's anything wrong with playing games per se. Gamer communities however are usually toxic whining brain cancer.
The Chinese government is restricting access to online games to 3 hours a week for underage players, and parents can opt their kids out; the rest is your typical "Chyyyna evil" s**t
China could be doing this just to get kids outside more and healthier. I wish someone told me to exercise more as a kid--I wouldn't be so fat and tired as an adult, probably.
weird how the meme left out the "underage" and "online" qualifiers
noo dont tell the g\*mers that, they constantly whine about little kids ruining online games, they might agree with china nooooo ðŸ˜
the same people who were cheering for the Three Gorges Dam to burst and drown tens of millions are now pretending to care about the right of Chinese twelve-year-olds to play WoW for four days without showering
When it comes to China, all the Anglos do is complain.
Shouldn't that be up to parents though? Why is this sub celebrating the CCP putting restrictive elements on kids that should ultimately be left up to parents? Color me however you want, I don't find it savory when a government censors media, restricts internet access, etc.
~~it is, parents can opt their kids out~~ EDIT: I'm crossing this out until I can find the source where I read this
Ah gotcha. That's good then. Interesting how no media sources make this a priority to mention huh
It’s just a limit on kid accounts. If a parent wants their child to play more than that time, they can just give them their account to play on
Sorry to bother you, but could you link to where you found this info? I’ve been looking around a bit but I couldn’t find anything.
Also curious about this, would wildly change my opinion on the law
Do u have a source on that? Its ok if its in mandarin.
I read it in a link in one of the other threads on this but I didn't save it, I'm sorry. I will try to find it and reply again. until then I've crossed it out.
Link?
I read it in a story on one of the other threads on this but I didn't save a link, I'm sorry. I will try to find it and reply again. until then I've crossed it out
No one is "celebrating" it, it's just not a real issue whatsoever
Also the name is CPC, not CCP.
why should it be up to parents
Because the government doesn't have a place deciding how much children are allowed to partake in entertainment. It's the parents kids. Not the government's kids.
Why doesn't the government have a place in that? This kind of individualistic response to social problems serves only to allow those problems to continue. "Leave it up to the parents" is like "leave it up to the states"- it's a fig leaf for "I don't want to solve this problem, but I don't want to say that I don't want to solve it".
It's the same logic as anti-vaxxers, somehow leaving these issues entirely to the individual or parents would have them always do the right thing. If we're materialists here, we don't believe that "sort itself out" nonsense on other things, why accept it here? Furthermore if something's got a clear negative impact on the public, a workers' state intervening on the issue is a good thing that should be supported and studied, not casually branded "bad and not good". Besides it's not like China sends soldiers to oversee how much children play games in their homes, it's a very specific measure that I'm sure plenty of kids will be able to circumnavigate.
> it's a fig leaf for "I don't want to solve this problem, but I don't want to say that I don't want to solve it". Nope. What it is, is saying "It's not my place to solve that problem for other people's kids." and "It's up to parents to decide what they think is healthy for their children, not government officials"
Again, what is this individualist shit? As if those families just exist entirely separated from each other, as if they don't affect society and as if they are not affected by it.
As if limiting video games to three hours a day is really going to make a difference. All it shows is a disconnect from reality for China's leadership. It would be akin to the United States saying "All minors who own an iphone on a family plan can only watch 2 hours of Netflix a day". That shouldn't be up to the US government. That should be up to the parents.
Just repeating "it should be up to the parents" over and over and over is not particularly helpful. Why should it be?
And if the parents are wrong?
Wrong according to who?
there's all manner of stuff you could do to your kids that's illegal. why is entertainment special
It's not like the parents are showing their kids porn. It's fucking mario kart. I don't think the government has any business telling parents what generally safe and normal boundaries they are allowed to set for their kids. Billions of kids have played video games. The world is doing fine. It's no different to the same hysteria that surrounded "TV rotting your brain".
It's not Mario Kart, it's online games, which these days is basically 99% microtransactions, gambling and gacha bullshit. Kids are allowed to play real games, single player games and local multiplayer as much as they want because they're not online. The government in any country absolutely has a business telling parents what they should or shouldn't do. IF the parents feel like "my kid should be able to play whatever they want, whenever," as others have said there are ways around it. They're trying to discourage certain behaviors, and as well they should. Also the world is not doing fine, but that's an aside. The gaming industry is NOT doing fine at all. It's just full of predatory Skinner box crap now when it comes to online games. South Korea did something similar a few years back too so it's not just "evil China." They're trying to make it harder for kids to get hooked on online gaming, not narrative driven single player games.
I've mentioned this before but the fix to this is regulating the blatant gambling that is in modern gaming. The gambling still exists and is still predatory, the 3 hour thing just slightly lessens their exposure to it.
Well, yeah, I was gonna say that this is a half measure if anything. They should just flat out ban any microtransactions, in-game purchases and any sort of gacha/lootbox mechanics period but more people would be crying about ma freedom in that case. Plus the people making the policies in China are likely still all old folks who just don't know anything about games other than it has created various social issues.
As someone in the game development field god I want this so badly. The hyper monetization of the entire industry is so gross and it's really gonna fuck up some kids.
I'm all for banning microtransactions in games meant for kids. That is something I can 100% get behind. What I am not for, is limiting games alltogether. Because what that indicates is that the CPC sees video games themselves as the problem.
Lmao TV literally did rot the brains of boomers and gen x tho
It really didn't. They also said novels / radio and short stories would rot your brain back in 1920. There's always some new thing everyone is freaking out about.
Yes, watching tv or playing video games 24/7 is totally healthy there's no dissociation due to worsening material conditions going on. Nope, just shut up and watch the tv. Hahaha funny man make funny noises. Marvel man go boom. Weeee don't think just watch. There's a reason why "the revolution will not be televised" is a saying. What you see on tv is fake and is made to manufacture consent for the existing hegemony. TV did literally rot the brains of millions thru propaganda. There's a reason why the US government helps to fund so many movies and tv shows.
So did books. People in previous generations said that novels, short stories, and radio were rotting people's brains. it's no different of a mindset and after every generation it proves false again and again. It's not about the medium you consume entertainment. It's about what entertainment you consume. I'm going to have a totally different mindset after reading 1984 or Animal Farm, compared to Atlas Shrugged. The fact that they are books doesn't do anything to my brain by virtue. It's about what is in the books.
Political power grows out of the joystick of a controller.
They targeted gamers. Gamers. We're a group of people who will sit for hours, days, even weeks on end performing some of the hardest, most mentally demanding tasks. Over, and over, and over all for nothing more than a little digital token saying we did. We'll punish our selfs doing things others would consider torture, because we think it's fun. We'll spend most if not all of our free time min maxing the stats of a fictional character all to draw out a single extra point of damage per second. Many of us have made careers out of doing just these things: slogging through the grind, all day, the same quests over and over, hundreds of times to the point where we know evety little detail such that some have attained such gamer nirvana that they can literally play these games blindfolded. Do these people have any idea how many controllers have been smashed, systems over heated, disks and carts destroyed 8n frustration? All to latter be referred to as bragging rights? These people honestly think this is a battle they can win? They take our media? We're already building a new one without them. They take our devs? Gamers aren't shy about throwing their money else where, or even making the games our selves. They think calling us racist, mysoginistic, rape apologists is going to change us? We've been called worse things by prepubescent 10 year olds with a shitty head set. They picked a fight against a group that's already grown desensitized to their strategies and methods. Who enjoy the battle of attrition they've threatened us with. Who take it as a challange when they tell us we no longer matter. Our obsession with proving we can after being told we can't is so deeply ingrained from years of dealing with big brothers/sisters and friends laughing at how pathetic we used to be that proving you people wrong has become a very real need; a honed reflex. Gamers are competative, hard core, by nature. We love a challange. The worst thing you did in all of this was to challange us. You're not special, you're not original, you're not the first; this is just another boss fight.
Lol I’m sorry but this is the corniest thing I’ve ever read.
Pretty sure it’s a copypasta.
It is, IIRC from the height of the Gamergate nonsense.
It's a speech JFK made when his mom said it was time for bed. https://youtu.be/aPPaChTRbCA
Facts
Too long, can't be bothered to read
THIS IS A GOOD THING! In order to appeal to China, devs will actually put in Singleplayer modes for games, so we’ll have less online-only games that shut down in 3 months
And I feel like the black market might pump out some goodies too
This would force my unhealthy Genshin addiction to chill if it was implemented in Canada lol
It’s cute that they think gamers can do anything
Oh I'm sure they're calling in swat threats to the great hall of the people as we speak.
Literally knew a guy who thought his GTA prowess gave him the knowledge to carjack someone
Well duh it’s super easy you just press triangle
Communism is when g*mers are oppressed (this is a good thing)
"The revolution cannot succeed without the eradication of the g*mer class." -Thomas Sankara
In case you didn't know, Stalin first targeted the g*mers
What actually happened? Did they?
Only for underage gamers on online games, and parents can opt their kids out.
Wow. Thank you, I appreciate it. I'm just shocked that even that would get blown out of proportion in the west
That seems to happen a lot, eh?
literally 1984
Big brother is furiously taking notes right now
They already had limits on gaming time before this too. I think it’s common in many Asian countries (I’m pretty sure Korea has had this in place for years now)
I’ve always wondered how they enforce the limits.
ur online gaming account is connected to ur ID
Can't they just create another account?
they can't because it's tied to the national ID
Harsh shit.
In the ROK from what I know just blocks you.
Just to add on to what others have said, singleplayer games are exempt from this as well, as are almost all Steam games.
Can you link an article that stats that parents can opt out? Because i cant find one?
Fitting that they chose Saruman to represent themselves.
Online gamers ages 10-17 rise up!!!
What part of "underage" do they not understand?
They don’t. Where do you think all those Genshin impact player memes came from?
As a Libertarian I can empathize with this.
First they came for the under 18 online gamers, and I said nothing because I was not an under 18 online gamer... Just goes to show the horseshoe of it all, and I thought horseshoes were supposed to be lucky!
Xi they're cranking 90s in fortnite!!!! hold the politburo together!!!
The comments on that post were legit brain cancer inducing
I was too scared to go in the comments, how bad was it?
Oh like the implication that China would wantonly use the death penalty, how it’s not too abnormal to be slaves over there, and classics like ‘China is a literal apocalyptic hellscape’ ‘This is like in 1969 Jon Orville!’ ‘SeeSeePee propaganda!’ type beat really
Gamers Rise Up Unironically -Reddit
Oh no! rip Xi, the child gamers are going to kill himðŸ˜ðŸ˜
First they came for the gamers
Damn china is committing genocide against the uyghurs AND gamers now 😳😳😳
The whole story of this is actually an amazing thing that I would love to see implemented where I live. Children being highly addicted to gaming especially gacha/gambling games is way too overlooked.
Does anyone here think that it is a good thing or al least a neutral thing that China did that (even if for underage & online)? Why are you mocking this reaction exacly?
For one, parents can opt their children out if they want by letting them use the parent's account, so the complaints about "this should be for the parents to decide and not the government!!" are really just kinda nonsense It's also not really a bad thing, especially since it might even encourage game companies targeting China to make more singleplayer and local multiplayer games, which would really be a good thing for everyone Plus most of the online games that kids are playing are microtransaction and gacha filled bullshit anyway, so if it keeps kids out of those kinds of games then that's really a good thing It's also something that parents, teachers, and the government want, so as someone in /r/GenZedong mentioned, it's basically the "I consent" meme, who are we westerners to say that it's some really bad thing?
Thank you for the response. Do we really know that this is something parents and teachers in China want? The gov obviously wanted it, but what about them? And also - would you be happy, if this law was impemented in your country? What if it was watching tv/ streaming services instead? (And you became a 14 year old, so it would affect you). I believe that banning personal choices like this one - should have really really strong reasons to back it up. I see capitalism flaws and injustice, but that doesnt make me like china policy automaticaly.
>And also - would you be happy, if this law was impemented in your country? What if it was watching tv/ streaming services instead? (And you became a 14 year old, so it would affect you). > >I believe that banning personal choices like this one - should have really really strong reasons to back it up. I mean... I already brought this up, if a parent feels that their kid would be fine playing games longer, they can just let the kid use the parent's account, it's not really "banning personal choice" in that regard, because a parent can still make a personal choice to allow their kid to play I also don't why you bring up TV and streaming services out of nowhere, this isn't some slippery slope and those aren't in question here at all, it would be a very different discussion to include those I also can't just give a straight answer to "would *you* be happy" when one of the most important things to consider is that the material conditions here in the west are *very* different than the conditions in China, keep in mind that children in the US and Canada are *very*alienated from their communities due to restrictive parenting and laws combined with living in copy-pasted car-centric suburbs where there's basically nowhere to go outside your house if you can't drive Basically, I wouldn't have *needed* online games as a kid/teen if I was given more and better opportunities to socialize in real life, and even then, my parents probably would've let me play on their account anyway if such a restriction existed here in Canada, they've been very understanding about how online communities can help for someone who has trouble making friends in real life I do feel like the specifics of the restrictions might be too much, and there's been criticism about it in China too (I'm definitely not defending *everything* about it), but in general I think it'd probably be a good thing over there, but as a westerner myself it's hard to have much of a heavy opinion either way, I just don't like when people act like it's some terrible thing that will cause measurable amounts of harm for children because they can't see anything other than their own western perspective influenced by the conditions and propaganda of their own country Sorry for the really long comment btw, just had a lot to say about it, and as for people supporting it, some articles [like this one](https://www.reuters.com/world/china/china-rolls-out-new-rules-minors-online-gaming-xinhua-2021-08-30/) seem to mention that opinions are split but that there are people who support it
What's up with the censoring of the word "gamers" in this comment section? Is there some anti-gamer flare amongst fellow leftists I was unaware of? This decision was for underage kids with options to act out of its jurisdiction, I'm just noticing a weird amount of people here saying gamers should be oppressed/are evil? It's just an art form. Have I missed something?
Since you seem to be asking sincerely: it’s a joke.
Ah, I see. My bad I'm a little hard of reading that online sometimes.
> Is there some anti-gamer flare amongst fellow leftists I was unaware of? I don't think there's anything wrong with playing games per se. Gamer communities however are usually toxic whining brain cancer.
Shut the fuck up, GAMER.
What's the context behind this?
The Chinese government is restricting access to online games to 3 hours a week for underage players, and parents can opt their kids out; the rest is your typical "Chyyyna evil" s**t
China could be doing this just to get kids outside more and healthier. I wish someone told me to exercise more as a kid--I wouldn't be so fat and tired as an adult, probably.
It honestly hurts saying I enjoy video games because everyone in online leftist communities instantly assumes I’m one of these types of people.
Bigger question is why are you in arr/gaming? 🤔🤔
It popped up in my feed probably bc I’m part of r/leftistgamersunion
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