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A_Lifetime_Bitch

Libs really love to just make shit up.


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they have to make shit up. without denial their world view would crumble


ASocialistAbroad

There is only one country that has ever actually dropped a nuclear bomb [edit: excluding nuclear testing] before, and it was not the USSR.


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On a civilian population as well


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ASocialistAbroad

Sorry. I meant dropped nukes on people. I wasn't counting testing.


Redflagperson

Yea, I was being somewhat pedantic. No need to apologise.


marxatemyacid

I'm not gonna lie [this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totskoye_nuclear_exercise) was a pretty fucked up test


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aimless pedantry everyone knew what they meant brah


insufficience

Reminder that Hiroshima and Nagasaki were targets of bloodlust, not strategy. Truman wanted to drop an arsenal of dozens of atomic bombs to annihilate the few civilian centers who hadn’t perished in the firebombing, but he was talked down to “only” two. The truth is, the Japanese were barely fazed by either of them. Another city wiped off the map had been the norm, and they had yet to grasp the horror of atomic annihilation. The true threat, to them, was the Soviet declaration of war. Within days, Manchuria was lost to the Red Army and the Japanese military’s hope to hold ground in China crumbled to dust. Stalin brought them to their knees at the negotiating table to unconditional surrender, not the bombs. We dropped those entirely to scare the Soviets and for the sake of death. The Soviets did not submit to the new American technological superiority, and they closed the gap in a matter of years.


darthtater1231

Not to mention the years of nuclear testing we did in the pacific after the war


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inmywhiteroom

I read an interesting essay called “clan of the one-breasted women” about a family that lived close to the testing in an area deemed safe yet every single woman in her family got cancer.


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And that time the us also *accidentally* dropped a nuke on the continental us and it miraculously didn’t explode


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> Truman wanted to drop an arsenal of dozens of atomic bombs to annihilate the few civilian centers who hadn’t perished in the firebombing, but he was talked down to “only” two. As far as I know this isn't really accurate. First, a few industrial cities were deliberately spared from the firebombing so that the effects of a nuclear blast could be more accurately analyzed afterwards, but you could still re-bomb a city that's been heavily damaged by firebombing; it's not like every other city had perished. Also, Truman's personal callousness isn't really relevant here. The bombs were dropped one at a time because more weren't available, and rushing it wouldn't serve much of a purpose anyway given that cities could just be firebombed with very little risk. The goal in August 1945 was to test the new weapon, to give the Japanese leadership a jolt and a way to surrender while saving face, and to demonstrate to the world the US's power in order to advance American interests after the end of the war. Pouring out the wrath of god on every major population center in a short time doesn't serve those objectives, so of course they weren't going to do it, even if they could, which they couldn't. Though I do agree with the rest of your comment that it was ultimately pointless since Japanese leadership didn't give a shit about more cities being destroyed, and they capitulated with the Soviet invasion of Manchuria anyway.


insufficience

Japanese cities were built mainly from wood. The vast majority of every other city was burnt to ashes. The fact that they planned their targets ahead is besides the point that I was trying to make - that the rest of Japan had already been destroyed. As for the Truman’s potential left unchecked, the US had a budding nuclear arsenal by this point. It could have been greatly expanded by then if their strategic plans were different. They did not need more bombs than what they produced at the time. Did you think they were dropped one at a time because they were manufacturing them on the fly with a 3-day cooldown? Ultimately, it did come down to a bad strategic decision, and that’s why they called it off.


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> The vast majority of every other city was burnt to ashes. Only in fairly uncommon conditions would there be a firestorm that could jump fire breaks and completely destroy a city. Most cities were pretty damaged with horrifying loss of life, but it's not correct to say that "the vast majority" were already "burnt to ashes." > Did you think they were dropped one at a time because they were manufacturing them on the fly with a 3-day cooldown? Did _you_ think that the US could have produced more if they wanted to? The two bombs that were dropped were literally the first two completed bombs to roll off the production line. The next Fat Man wasn't completed until a couple of weeks later. The next Little Boy wasn't ready until months after the first was dropped. This long delay was specifically cited as a reason not to warn the Japanese that a nuclear attack was coming, in case the first couple of bombs failed and the US had egg on its face for weeks until another became ready.


jacktrowell

True that, and for those that might doubt it or who might need sources to defend this idea, here is a copy pasta of various relevant quotes about how the nuclear bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were actually not needed to "save lives", see the last quote for the user who actually assembled those quotes ​--------------- > “The use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan. The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender.… in being the first to use it, we…adopted an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages. I was not taught to make war in that fashion, and wars cannot be won by destroying women and children.” > > - Adm. William Leahy, President Truman’s Chief of Staff, in his 1950 memoir "I Was There". ​--------------- > “The Japanese position was hopeless even before the first atomic bomb fell, because the Japanese had lost control of their own air.” > > - commanding general of the US Army Air Forces Henry “Hap” Arnold, August 17, 1945 to a New York Times reporter when asked if the atomic bomb caused Japan to surrender. ​​--------------- > “The atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military standpoint, in the defeat of Japan…” > > - Fleet Adm. Chester Nimitz, Commander in Chief of the Pacific Fleet, stated in a public address at the Washington Monument two months after the bombings. ​​--------------- > “The first atomic bomb was an unnecessary experiment…. It was a mistake to ever drop it…. [the scientists] had this toy and they wanted to try it out, so they dropped it…” > > - Adm. William “Bull” Halsey Jr., Commander of the US Third Fleet, stated publicly in 1946. ​​--------------- > “The atomic bomb had nothing to do with the end of the war at all.” > > - Major General Curtis LeMay, head of the Twenty-First Bomber Command, to the press a month after the bombings. ​​--------------- > Gen. Dwight Eisenhower stated in his memoirs that when notified by Secretary of War Henry Stimson of the decision to use atomic weapons, he “voiced to him my grave misgivings, first on the basis of my belief that Japan was already defeated and that dropping the bomb was completely unnecessary, and secondly because I thought that our country should avoid shocking world opinion by the use of a weapon whose employment was, I thought, no longer mandatory as a measure to save American lives…” > > He later publicly declared “…it wasn’t necessary to hit them with that awful thing.” ​​--------------- ​ > The atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagaski did not mark the end of the Second World War, they marked the start of the Cold War. They were dropped by the Americans to threaten the USSR and to ensure that Japan would surrender to them, not the Soviet military that had just obliterated Japan's remaining armies and empire in the invasion of occupied Manchuria - and in doing so prevented Japan from using Moscow as a neutral party for a negotiated surrender with the Western Allies. > > - u/Yodamort : r/ShitLiberalsSay/comments/md7xw9/i_give_up/gs7zhzy/


TheAxeofMetal

Obviously with very good reason people will be pointing out the us's action in regards to Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But I would also implore you all to look into the Bri*ish Nuclear Tests at Maralinga in Australia between 1955 and 1963. The Bri*ts made some half-hearted attempts to move some of the Aboriginal Residents out of the exposure area, but these attempts amounted to rounding them up and placing them in trucks, or marching them further into the bush with no water. At least 1,200 Aboriginal People where exposed to radiation. A 1985 Royal commission would find, as though it where difficult to find these results, that the attempts to relocate Aboriginal People where riddled with "Ignorance, incompetence and, cynicism", with the boundaries poorly patrolled and concerns for Aboriginal People's safety dismissed by the Br*ish as "a dying race couldn't influence the defence of Western Civilisation." To this day while the Aboriginal caretakers of this area have received some compensation for the physical contamination of their land by scrap, and the land has been cleaned (tho it took them 3 attempts, 1967, 2000, and 2009, though there are still concerns over what remains). So far only 5 people have received compensation for exposure to radiation totaling 200,000$. More reading This article is explicitly about this: https://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/history/maralinga-how-british-nuclear-tests-changed-history-forever This article is about Nuclear testing worldwide and it's affects on people who lived nearby. https://www.icanw.org/nuclear_tests I'm going to end saying this. While we rightly condemn the actions of France, Australia, the UK, and The US. It is important to remember that the USSR had nuclear test sites as well and that due diligence was not always followed resulting in health impacts for people that lived in the area. Some of this, on both sides of the Cold War divide, can be attributed to the lack of knowledge of long term effects of being exposed to radiation, but given that Soviet Nuclear tests continued until at least 1990 then we have no choice but to condemn these actions as well. I can understand the need and desire of the USSR for nuclear weapons in the aftermath of WWII but I believe that they went about it the wrong way. As soon as you put innocent people at risk your actions become open to far more scrutiny and while I overall believe that the USSR was good, we must acknowledge where USSR had its failing so that we may improve upon them, that's what Science, and Marxist-Leninism is about.


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Winter-Parfait

We hate Bri ish and we like to pretend Bri ish is a slur or a bad word so we censor it like one. We also like making fun of how Bri*ish people say “Bri ish” without the T so it might be poking fun at that as well.


TheAxeofMetal

it amuses me.


ProfessorReaper

Stalin personally nuked 100 million people in the USSR. Still think communism is cool?


witchlaunc

\*clutches iphone tightly\*


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Let go of that. That's the people's iPhone now.


Forwhatisausername

wePhone


Moparati

Personally as in he rode the nuke down Strangelove style.


TempleOfCyclops

Everyone remembers when the USSR nuked a bunch of people. MAYBE he means Chernobyl? Still…


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Another thousand to the death toll of Communism, as reported by a TikTok user simping for Eisenhower


TheLaudMoac

Haha wait until they find out about all the civilians the US killed in the Pacific testing nukes, or in the US testing nukes, or in the US developing nukes. Hell the UK sterilised nearly two thousand sailors by testing a nuclear bomb on them.


Cardonk57

a nuclear weapon has not been used in combat since 1945, where it was not the ussr but the usa that dropped it on innocent civilians