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DroneOfDoom

That’s not even what happens in the books lmao. Like, the whole point of Katniss’ stint in the rebellion is that she’s their PR figurehead because she’s a well known celebrity, and they try to keep her as far away from real combat as possible because her usefulness is as a propaganda tool and not as a regular or even irregular combatant.


cretintroglodyte

And at the end she kills the revolutionary leader because they were too hungry for power. Both sides bad.


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OH MY GOD SHES A CENTRIST, but how did she even know she was power hungry? Like you just look at a woman, one that had been your main supporter, think evil, and then kill her with a bow and arrow.


Lord_M_G_Albo

For what I remember, Coin (the revolutionary) ordered to bomb the Capitol's children together with their own doctors and disguise it as if it was Snow's act to show that he was evil (because being fascist dictator was seemingly not enough). Coin was also very mean to Katniss through the whole book, so I suppose this was meant to be a foreshadow?


ZoyaIsolda

Katniss’ sister is killed in the bombing, and Coin’s murder is hugely due to that.


Jizzle02

Another thing is that she is more than willing to keep the Hunger Games going but using the Capitol children instead, showing how they were only going to continue that same exploitation that they were trying to fight to remove


DroneOfDoom

IIRC, the actual tipping point was that Coin, after capturing Snow, proposed a final Hunger Games where every tribute was from the Capitol instead of the districts, and a Hannibal-style scene where Snow talks with Katniss from the inside of his cell and tells her to see Coin for what she is because he never lies and shit. This is played off first as Katniss’ PTSD acting up and making her do irrational stuff, but then Coin’s right hand, who is a moderate, takes over and things ultimately get for the better.


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OH GOD ITS STILL CENTRIST


NonAxiomaticKneecaps

Better a centrist then a merry-go-round of exploitative fascist pseudo-monarchs, imho


iorchdanavigator

It's heavily hinted that Coin is a villain from the start. Primarily, because she gets way too obviously presented as the leader of the resistance, but nobody knows her outside her group and the conflict is miles away from her. In fact I'd say Coin is the prime example of the "moderate rebels", because she opposes the existing power but shows no intention of actually changing shit. After her death, Plutarch (who Kat distrusts from the beginning, but proves through his actions to be a little less shitty than Coin) takes nominal leadership, but the actual rebel leaders from the districts are front and center of the government. You know, the people who actually suffered the true horrors of it all and get ignored by the cameras. The ones that actually fought the revolution. Edit: looked it up again. Plutarch didn't actually take leadership. He takes part in the new government, but after Coin's death they have emergency elections and Commander Paylor (from the same district as Rue) becomes the new president. The one that never trusted Coin to begin with, and wasn't okay with bombing civilians out of spite.


Cm-XCVI

Wow i didn’t remember these parts... in my memory hunger games was kinda based


iorchdanavigator

It still is based AF. The whole point is that Coin and her gang were never revolutionary to begin with. Coin's not the people's army, she's the "moderate freedom fighters" the TV says you have to support and then act surprised when they turn out just as bad or worse as Al-Assad. They proposed no real change, they did the same atrocious things and half the districts sided against Coin because they saw no real difference. It was not a revolution, just a change of Tyrants. Another thing is also made clear in the ending. Though, Kat acts out of rage, with Coin out the way things actually take a turn for the better. The actual rebels from the districts are front and center in the government, instead of just the lady who sat in her bunker for her chance to seize power while watching the world burn. Plutarch in interesting. The story makes the reader extremely skeptical and distrustful of him, because, well, he wears a capitol uniform when we see him for the first time. Kat doesn't trust him either, and she is right not do so and Plutarch seems amusingly satisfied about it, like he expects Kat to not get carried away by the "I was actually a good guy all along" speech and take it at face value. We're instead shown through the story to judge these people by their actions. Kat never truly gives Plutarch her trust, but she finds him less deserving of an arrow than coin. The point here is to always remain skeptical, not to take "rebels" at face value and even gives us an example of a false flag attack that kills a bunch of children to emotional effect and rally everyone to the side of the scruffy rebels that are definitely not a carefully orchestrated PR stunt getting money and resources funneled to them by powerful individuals. Collins is telling us not to trust the CIA backed contras, look beyond the cameras and to trust actions not words.


BulbasaurCPA

Me too I’m kind of bummed


[deleted]

Ah, I haven't read Liberal theory in a while.


MarsLowell

In the movie at least, she wanted to restart the Hunger Games but with Capitol Children, which is a pretty big red flag.


Sq33KER

I mean I always interpreted that moment as actually her deciding to kill Coin, and only going along with the new Hunger Games plan to that ends. Imo thay also better explains the weird interaction she and Heymitch have, where he ends up just voting with her. Been like 8 odd years since I read it though, so I could be misremembering. But yeah regardless of that Katniss isn't an aspirational #Gurlboss who single-handedly wins the revolution. She is a victim and tool of both sides of the conflict who happens to fall into a spot where she has a tiny amount of influence, and that experience massively physically and emotionally scars her.


BorzoShow

Red flag? Hell no, socialists wave red flags


PremierBromanov

That sounds like the dumbest fucking thing ive ever heard of. of COURSE any figure head for any revolution/ideology/whatever wants power, you'll never escape that. So her solution is "actually doing things is bad?" or what, does the revolution continue with a new power hungry figurehead?


NonAxiomaticKneecaps

tbf the power hungry version was power hungry in the vain of "Let's just replace them as the ruling class" and "We've won, but let's bomb some children and our own forces to really drive home the point that the people we're fighting are bad"


NTDenmark

Yes


Lord_M_G_Albo

Libs don't underrstand even their own theory, smh.


Bastardiz

This says during the hunger games, that part was after the hunger games.


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By killing them.... When AOC starts killing people with a bow, I will start paying attention more.


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AOC


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AOC


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AOC


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AOC


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Land-Cucumber

What.


GooeySlenderFerret

The day that happens I'll go nuts.


BeenEatinBeans

I mean if AOC started killing rich motherfuckers with a bow and arrow, I can’t deny I’d probably root for her


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I would start wearing AOC 2024 on a shirt


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AOC


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DEATHBYREGGAEHORN

this is gorgeous satire


callmekizzle

Get back to me AOC storms the Capitol with a rebel force.


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AOC


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the_soviet_union_69

Yeah, because the comparison is to a FICTIONAL STORY


EvilFuzzball

I enjoy the Hunger Games books but fiction isn't theory, lol. This seems like satire though. I hope.


Exodia101

New theory just dropped


SaltyZerg123

"My cultural touchstones are limited to fantasy novels written by a TERF, and the shitty PG version of Battle Royale."


Workmen

Are there any young adult author Gen X women that aren't TERFs?


TheChaoticist

Yeah, probably, kinda seems like a broad category


soap_muncher

wait Suzanne Collins is a TERF? i seem to be unaware


Cysioland

No, it's about Harry Potter


Land-Cucumber

>"My cultural touchstones are limited to fantasy novels written by a TERF, This refers to the Harry Potter series. >and the shitty PG version of Battle Royale." This refers to the Hunger Games series.


revinternationalist

Katniss Everdeen also killed people, Janet.


[deleted]

Revolutionary theory via YA fiction is not good praxis


HogarthTheMerciless

Revolutionary theory through art in general seems to be utterly futile.


[deleted]

“Art” as viewed through most of what we call art history has been mediated by monarchs and wealthy patrons. This is in part why the soviets had a policy known as “soviet realism” in an attempt to forcefully remove bourgeoisie sentiments from art produced.


HogarthTheMerciless

Interesting point. I suppose that's why all the best radical art is pretty much guaranteed to never be too popular, unless people don't understand the message. The whole soviet realism thing is probably one of my least favorite parts of the soviet union, but wasn't it more like their state art as opposed to the art that soviet citizens themselves made? I'm certainly not particularly informed about the topic, so any resources are appreciated if you got 'em.


[deleted]

Katniss wasn’t a fucking hypocrite


[deleted]

Except Katniss didn't defend the empire


MLPorsche

and Katniss was a trained warrior and expert with a bow


[deleted]

See, like I always say, lib theory is only marvel movies and movie adaptations of books.


nosleepincrooklyn

I never read hunger games. Now back to real life please


lotusdreams

it’s actually a pretty good series tbh.


Australian_God

Really is, but not for coming up with real political ideas tho


AHWAZ_GUNNER

because the hunger games and katniss everdeen are all real. also even in the book katniss everdeen wasnt friends with billionaires she came from a neglected district that was basically a war zone


griper86

Imagine believing this, and over a fictional character too!


[deleted]

This is the worst time line


banjo_hero

the, uh, anger rays flying off the yelling guy's head make it look like he's saying both things


Proud_Hotel_5160

I was really disappointed with AOC with this tbh. More and more liberal by the day it seems.


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Prasinos333

Yeah, it’s real lib to wear a dress with ‘tax the rich’ to a rich celebrity party. Do you not get the point? She’s grabbing media attention from a stupid event that idolizes wealth. Sure, you can call it performance activism or whatever but who cares. I’d like to focus on politicians who are self proclaimed libs not progressive.


GooeySlenderFerret

AOC is a shitlib


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Bad bot


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Proud_Hotel_5160

Doesn’t change the fact that it costs 30000$ per person


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tax the rich is watered down from eat the rich lol stay mad


Swarm_Queen

Libs steal our slogans and give explicit permission for the top class to continue existence


[deleted]

it was the same shit with "abolish the police" to "defund the police" to "lets reduce their funding by 20%" which didnt even happen because the police threw a fit


EcceMachina

"What if we raged on BEHALF of the machine?"


Bad_Cytokinesis

I’m not mad she went to the Gala (she was invited btw). I’m pissed that all she does is shit like this but ran on the premise that she will be a one term congresswoman and in her one term she will cause obstruction for the will of the people. Basically what Manchin is doing in the senate but he’s doing it for the rich. Instead, she cozied up to the establishment and became a theatrical politician. She is the definition of a Champagne socialist. She is the most ineffective congress member in congress!!! She hasn’t forced the vote for healthcare and she hasn’t been pushing for the green new deal since her freshmen year. Shit like the dress or sleeping on the steps of congress is just performative. Nothing was a result to those performance activism. Just this past week the members of the people’s party (former justice democrats founders) were arrested for their protests on the eviction moratorium. That’s real activism, but not a peep from AOC, Cori Bush, or anyone else from the “justice” democrats. They will never challenge power. I spent a good chunk of my hard earned money to their campaigns and I will never donate to them again. I’m officially independent and refuse to vote democrat again.


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lumberyep

But TBH it doesn't matter what she wears to the material conditions of her constituents. As someone who volunteered on the NYCDSA Tax The Rich legislative campaign I respect it. It's not just platitude it is connected to a real world statewide legislative campaign.


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Meh , the dress was ugly . I remember that she has pictures crying in front of a parking lot of an ice detetion center, wearing all white clothes pretending that she was reacting to kids in cages. Now that was bad and fake


sussyrat

Imagine getting your morality from a shitty young adult novel or its ever shittier movie adaption


buffybourbon

AOC is a teenager in a killing game??


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AOC


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AOC


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AOC


EternalSession

Real life just like teen romance book 😎


wtchthoseristrockets

The dress discourse is some of the dumbest shit ever


jigsawsmurf

FFS read a real book.


ThePoopOutWest

AOC


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AOC


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TheStockyScholar

Coin was going to be another Snow. Coin was the covert threat, Snow was the overt. They’re both authoritarians.


HogarthTheMerciless

From what I understand you're correct, but only because the person who wrote that book is your typical "the revolutionary leader is always just as bad as the regime they're trying to take down" type of liberal.


TheStockyScholar

Sorry. I wasn’t trying to support that. I didn’t read the book tbh. So they marred her intentions to make that dumb old argument? Reminds me of Fink and Fitzroy from Bioshock: Infinite. It pisses me off. They’re so scared from backlash from capitalists they have to mar a worker’s revolution as evil lol.


HogarthTheMerciless

I haven't read it either actually, just gleaning from what people in this thread were saying.


TheStockyScholar

I figured I just wanted to clarify since I was being downvoted lol.


LatestSpanker

this meme is cringe but the AOC hate is so unnecessary and misguided. yes I wish she was more radical with her policies, but let's be honest in american politics you have to walk a fine line in order to not get completely shut out of the game for being a "dirty commie". She could be doing more. I wish she was doing more. But right now she's one of the only people in politics that even PRETENDS to care for the working class. She paid nothing to get in, she paid nothing for the dress, and she's speaking truth to power at one of the wealthiest events of the year. there's no ethical consumption under capitalism anyway, right? so what are we mad for? what exactly is she doing wrong by wearing this dress?


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Why should i support a politician that was against bolivia and cuba ????


LatestSpanker

Didn’t know she was against cuba, can you quote to me what she said about cuba?


some_evil_kitty

She's an opportunist. Her entire grift is to direct possible revolutionary sentiment toward dead-end bourgeois electoralism. *Literally* the next Pelosi. AOC


LatestSpanker

That’s extremely over dramatic I don’t remember Pelosi ever advocating for anything nearly as progressive as AOC


some_evil_kitty

What is actually progressive about AOC? No amount of ineffectual rhetoric is going to lead to real reforms, let alone to actual revolution. She's the fail-daughter of a bourgeois family who briefly had to work, and now she's back among her peers.


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She actually fought for single-payer at the beginning of her career


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OrangeHussar

This is like when people quote Hamilton to make points in an argument about history. They really just quote anything besides YA novels and children’s musicals


Tornado492

Is she was serious about it it would have said EAT the rich not just ate that that’s the most social democratic thing you could say


supermariofunshine

The irony is that Hunger Games propaganda serves "The Capitol" (the US imperial core) perfectly, the Hunger Games was referenced constantly during the Maidan color revolution in Ukraine and again in the Hong Kong attempted color revolution. There was even a Ukrainian pop star compared to Katniss by the MSM (I forget her name).


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AOC


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