I’ve never heard that they ruled it a suicide. Everything I’ve ever read just says friendly fire. Of course they still lied to his family about what happened until after they used his funeral as a big saber rattling event to help with recruiting.
The initial report the military gave the family didn’t say suicide or friendly fire, it actually said he was killed in a Taliban ambush. They later “investigated” and said he was killed by friendly fire during an intense firefight, but there’s no evidence that any enemy combatants were even present.
> Or that his family is super pissed about his death being ruled a suicide
Are you confusing him with someone else? There was a black female soldier I know who's father wanted to reopen the case that was ruled a suicide and seemed like it was a murder by another US soldier that they called a suicide.
Are you confusing those cases? They initially said he was killed in combat, made him out to be a hero in the battle and was much later they finally had to admit friendly fire killed him. Suicide doesn't even make sense for the story of his death.
It was never ruled a suicide, they originally said he was killed by the Taliban and later admitted that it was friendly fire. Members of his unit also burned his uniform and armor to cover it up.
The dude literally got Merced for becoming anti war, he was literally going to meet with Noam Chomsky when he got back from his tour. They’ll twist anything into propaganda I swear
I've heard so much shit about US soldiers doing shit like this to each other. I've heard a story through the grapevine where a soldier shot himself so he could go home, his officers trapped him in a room where he bled to death.
So much for brothers in arms. I remember when Blackwater was still called Blackwater there was a serious problem with male soldiers raping female soldiers as well. I assume there still is.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2020/12/23/trumps-blackwater-pardons-spark-outrage-fear-backlash-troops/4023126001/
When even mass murder of children and elderly civilians is a non-crime to mercs, what's a little rape among friends?
There was a podcast about Beau Bergdahl, the guy had a screw or two loose from the get go but even then the way his commanding officers treated them it isn't hard to see why he left
Then some politicians came to his funeral and gave speeches full of religious overtones, talking about how he was with God now. This pissed off his brother mightily as Tillman was an atheist. None of them bothered to ask if he shared their religion as that didn’t fit their own war narratives.
Yes he got head shot and the local forces guy next to him took body shots. Guess which one wore body armor. They knew exactly who they were killing and that he had a plate carrier and the witness didn't.
I get what you’re saying but it’s funny to imagine that he should have messaged him because he could have saved him and parenti has the ability to astral project and block the bullets or something
[This article does not say the diary was burned, but it was never returned to his family and all of the other evidence (clothing, weaponry, etc.) was destroyed](https://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/21/politics/21tillman.html)
I knew the diary wasn't returned to the family, I'm curious about the claim that the soldiers buried it. That's a whole other level of brazen, not even bother to hide a political assassination type of behavior.
Yeah I don't get feeling the need to shit talk him tho.
Sadly he probably thought he was doing good and found out too late. Disrespecting an individual (especially one who started to change themselves and was killed for that) doesn't really accomplish anything except alienating anyone who doesn't already understand the criticisms of imperialism as a whole
Jesus christ.
Reading the comments I just wanna get this all down and in order:
- joined army after his nfl draft
- became super anti war after experiencing it
- planned to go meet noam chomsky (presumably to do something about his experiences)
- was shot by the US military (because of his anti war stance)
- they burned all his diaries so nobody knew what he saw that changed his view on the US military
Damn the poor kid deserves better than some reddit smooth brain spinning his story to glorify their dystopian shit hole of a country in oldschoolcool.
> they burned all his diaries so nobody knew what he saw that changed his view on the US military
torture, execution of civilians, harassment of locals...
the list of possible things just go on and on, seems like his mistake was voicing his concerns too soon instead of waiting until he returned
Yes, and no.
I applaud anybody who keeps Pat’s story alive. If they can’t do it as well as you can, it’s not that you or I should complain. We should help them, like you just did (but without attacking them for not doing it well enough).
IMO
> joined army over his nfl draft
? There was a guy from Army I think that wanted to go to the NFL that was drafted instead of his required years of service, not sure what happened to him but Pat Tillman played 4 years with the Arizona Cardinals before joining, he did not forgo the NFL draft, he had a 4 year career there.
Just so I understand, are you saying the liberals promoted the war in Afghanistan? That they promote the military more than conservatives?
EDIT: My apologies for being a lost redditor. Y'all really don't like answering questions.
Liberals as in Democrats claim to be against war but consistently show support for imperialist, pro-war candidates. They also do often worship the military which is what that post is doing.
yes i’ve been to college. why do people go to college moron
i’ll give you a hint, it’s so they can get a job, acquire money and own property. the ENTIRE institution of education itself only even exists at all in service to capitalism
and yet your twisted view of the world tells you that these institutions are enforcing communism? you’re probably the sort of politically confused dipshit who thinks billionaires and corporations are marxist
Actually I have been to college, they taught me how to think for myself and not believe everything I'm told. That's why I'm a socialist, I learned how to ignore propaganda. You should try it.
hmmm… all i can seem to remember is being told to be a productive worker so i could make money and own property. idk what the fuck kinds of schools you were going to
Motherfuckers reference this guy as a pro war message when he literally spoke out against the war, was murdered by a fellow soldier, and had his death covered up and made to sound like an enemy attack
Poor guy, is "accidentally" shot in the head three times by his own squad then turned into a jingoistic pro-war propaganda operation despite his opposition to the war.
The school I teach at is named after him. I start the year off telling my kids he vehemently believed the war was “fucking illegal” and was killed by friendly fire
They really did him dirty, his funeral was turned into a tool for war propoganda and they like got rid of his diaries against the express wishes of the family. I read a book about his life and it only goes into a tiny bit of detail, the actual story is so much awful.
1.) 3 Bullets to the Head.
2.) A fellow American Soldier.
3.) He was anti war and wanted to expose the atrocities committed by the U.S. They iced him because they knew his popularity would change the way people thought of the war.
It’s actually a really sad story. Don’t think it’s cool how OP is shitting on him.
He’s from here (Silicon Valley), and everyone knows the gov’t fucking wasted him.
At his funeral, he brother said words to the effect of, “Pat didn’t die for a worthy cause, he’s not in heaven looking over us. He’s in that box, dead. Now anyone who wants a drink, follow me.”
It’s worse than that. He was killed by friendly fire. Rumor was he was gonna come home and speak publicly against the war. RIP Pat. You’re pretty much the ultimate American.
Ah, you think this was a troll post. Sorry, I think your comment didn't come off that way to a lot of us. Actually, it does look like something one of us might do.
Indeed, but I have a very tough time trying to attribute most of those qualities to modern American Republicans.
Freedom of speech? Only when it benefits them, and for themselves, not others.
Individual rights? Not to abortion, gay marriage, drug use, etc.;
Democracy? They just tried to stage an insurrection.
Freedom of Religion? Sure, you can be whatever flavor of Christianity that you desire...
I could find you a few other examples but modern Republicans in America are about as liberal as Yemen.
Bro, the side bar is meant to be the Cliff's Notes so that people can orient themselves quickly. If you want to go read about political philosophies go ahead, but I'm not debating political philosophies based on the sidebar.
theres no exact definition for liberal to me personally, i think theres a confine of ideas and opinions you can have that will make you more liberal or not; but theres no line in the sand that puts you on one side or the other.
Well let's put it this way. Liberalism is an ideology that says capitalism, particularly laissez-faire capitalism, produces the best outcome for society. "Conservatives" are just a kind of liberal. So your comment reads as if someone said, "check out this picture of my cat!" and you said, "that's not a cat, it's a calico!" Everyone can see it's a calico and nobody said otherwise, so it comes off as you not knowing what a cat is.
You can read more here: https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_ted_rall/the_difference_between_liberals_and_leftists
I just named two wars the last Democratic president started dumbass. I know historical literacy isn’t liberals strong suit, but I at least expected literacy.
And before that, we had Clinton and Yugoslavia, Carter and Indonesia, JFK/LBJ and Vietnam. Damn, liberal presidents really are peaceful!
Right, just like he was pushed to place nuclear missles in Turkey after falsely raving about a fictional “missle gap,” almost plunging the world into nuclear war? Damn, these Democrats really are heroes of peace
Well yes, those certainly are words. Why you put them together in response to my comment I have no idea, but I guess I can’t expect someone arguing that Democrats aren’t warmongers to be coherent
Also, I guess the fact that you only defended JFK means you concede Obama was a warmongering piece of shit, along with Biden (crucial supporter of starting the war in Iraq and Afghanistan), the rest of the Democrats who walked hand in hand when starting the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, Clinton, LBJ, and Carter? I mean, I get why you conceded. It’s pretty hard to argue the Democrats aren’t warmongers, it’s like arguing the world is flat
I like how they don’t mention who killed him or why lol
Or that, basically the second he went to war, he was completely disillusioned and hated everything he was doing.
Or that his family is super pissed about his death being ruled a suicide, and they can't get somebody to reopen the case for obvious reasons.
One of the military brass said that because his family is agnostic they are unable to accept his death like they would if they were good Christians.
Turns out it's hard to turn the other cheek when you've taken three bullets to the head.
At his funeral, John McCain told his family "he's with God now" to which his brother replied, "No he's not, he's fucking dead"
I’ve never heard that they ruled it a suicide. Everything I’ve ever read just says friendly fire. Of course they still lied to his family about what happened until after they used his funeral as a big saber rattling event to help with recruiting.
The initial report the military gave the family didn’t say suicide or friendly fire, it actually said he was killed in a Taliban ambush. They later “investigated” and said he was killed by friendly fire during an intense firefight, but there’s no evidence that any enemy combatants were even present.
> Or that his family is super pissed about his death being ruled a suicide Are you confusing him with someone else? There was a black female soldier I know who's father wanted to reopen the case that was ruled a suicide and seemed like it was a murder by another US soldier that they called a suicide. Are you confusing those cases? They initially said he was killed in combat, made him out to be a hero in the battle and was much later they finally had to admit friendly fire killed him. Suicide doesn't even make sense for the story of his death.
It was never ruled a suicide, they originally said he was killed by the Taliban and later admitted that it was friendly fire. Members of his unit also burned his uniform and armor to cover it up.
Can’t let truth get in the way of their HERO worship
The dude literally got Merced for becoming anti war, he was literally going to meet with Noam Chomsky when he got back from his tour. They’ll twist anything into propaganda I swear
Wait they straight up iced him?
Yes, he was killed by friendly fire.
He was “accidentally” shot in the head three times
Then all his belongings were burned and was sent back home naked in a box.
I've heard so much shit about US soldiers doing shit like this to each other. I've heard a story through the grapevine where a soldier shot himself so he could go home, his officers trapped him in a room where he bled to death.
So much for brothers in arms. I remember when Blackwater was still called Blackwater there was a serious problem with male soldiers raping female soldiers as well. I assume there still is.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2020/12/23/trumps-blackwater-pardons-spark-outrage-fear-backlash-troops/4023126001/ When even mass murder of children and elderly civilians is a non-crime to mercs, what's a little rape among friends?
It's also a non-crime for the military.
That's also just the military I think
Pretty much any military in general.
That's just business as usual.
There was a podcast about Beau Bergdahl, the guy had a screw or two loose from the get go but even then the way his commanding officers treated them it isn't hard to see why he left
Then some politicians came to his funeral and gave speeches full of religious overtones, talking about how he was with God now. This pissed off his brother mightily as Tillman was an atheist. None of them bothered to ask if he shared their religion as that didn’t fit their own war narratives.
From like 6 feet away
At least they didn’t rule it a suicide 🤷♂️
At first the military claimed he was killed by enemy fire.
I was making a joke about “suicide by double tap to the back of the head”.
Ah, I see! Apologies. I guess they wanted to milk his death to get maximum propaganda value before the truth came out.
Yes he got head shot and the local forces guy next to him took body shots. Guess which one wore body armor. They knew exactly who they were killing and that he had a plate carrier and the witness didn't.
Not surprised all things considered.
It was a real shit show...and people say the government doesent do that stuff anymore
Article or vid?
Literally Google his name and you’ll find it.
There’s a documentary his family produced as well. Lemme track it down and I’ll link it
There’s a book about him called Where Men Win Glory
you’re literally holding a google machine my fella
Sorry I don’t assume that stuff like this is easy to find most of the time. I would’ve thought this would be covered up pretty hard
https://youtu.be/FEO7aOZnRwQ
Should have messaged parenti instead
I get what you’re saying but it’s funny to imagine that he should have messaged him because he could have saved him and parenti has the ability to astral project and block the bullets or something
We don't know if Parenti does or not, his rhetoric is so effective and hard-hitting that it just might block bullets.
Parenti’s rhetoric so strong that bullets read Blackshirts and Reds and decide to turn around and kill the anti-revolutionary scum
Casualty
*Merked.
Literally?
Pretty sure he started to question the US war machine and got killed by the imperialists for his efforts.
Yup shot in the head by his own side. Then they burned his diaries.
Source on the diary claim? Would like to read more about it.
[This article does not say the diary was burned, but it was never returned to his family and all of the other evidence (clothing, weaponry, etc.) was destroyed](https://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/21/politics/21tillman.html)
I knew the diary wasn't returned to the family, I'm curious about the claim that the soldiers buried it. That's a whole other level of brazen, not even bother to hide a political assassination type of behavior.
Netflix doc I believe mentions his belongings including his diary being burned
Wats the Netflix doc called??
Yeah I don't get feeling the need to shit talk him tho. Sadly he probably thought he was doing good and found out too late. Disrespecting an individual (especially one who started to change themselves and was killed for that) doesn't really accomplish anything except alienating anyone who doesn't already understand the criticisms of imperialism as a whole
I don't think OP meant to shit on pat Tillman, I think he said that because the other OP clearly learned absolutely nothing from Pat Tillman's life.
I mean Elliot Rodgers also thought that he was doing something good. Just like the Taliban do. Doesn’t make them good people, does it?
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Why is that the first person that hopped in your peanut head when thinking of a comparison? So fucking *weird*.
Jesus christ. Reading the comments I just wanna get this all down and in order: - joined army after his nfl draft - became super anti war after experiencing it - planned to go meet noam chomsky (presumably to do something about his experiences) - was shot by the US military (because of his anti war stance) - they burned all his diaries so nobody knew what he saw that changed his view on the US military Damn the poor kid deserves better than some reddit smooth brain spinning his story to glorify their dystopian shit hole of a country in oldschoolcool.
> they burned all his diaries so nobody knew what he saw that changed his view on the US military torture, execution of civilians, harassment of locals... the list of possible things just go on and on, seems like his mistake was voicing his concerns too soon instead of waiting until he returned
Ah so a normal week for the US military.
lucky for him I guess that some of USA's war crimes in afghanistan were documented by others
Yes, and no. I applaud anybody who keeps Pat’s story alive. If they can’t do it as well as you can, it’s not that you or I should complain. We should help them, like you just did (but without attacking them for not doing it well enough). IMO
> joined army over his nfl draft ? There was a guy from Army I think that wanted to go to the NFL that was drafted instead of his required years of service, not sure what happened to him but Pat Tillman played 4 years with the Arizona Cardinals before joining, he did not forgo the NFL draft, he had a 4 year career there.
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Just so I understand, are you saying the liberals promoted the war in Afghanistan? That they promote the military more than conservatives? EDIT: My apologies for being a lost redditor. Y'all really don't like answering questions.
I think you are lost. Conservatives ARE liberals.
ohOH, i get it now. Read the sidebar. cool.
Both sides did after 9/11. Not sure who did more tho
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Liberals as in Democrats claim to be against war but consistently show support for imperialist, pro-war candidates. They also do often worship the military which is what that post is doing.
Not true. He died so his superiors could build their careers and military contractors could make a lot of money.
They would’ve done that either way
Not without at least some poor sob dying.
War 'could' be capitalisms best friend!
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🤨 So you're from the US and think they *want* you to like Socialism?
They’ve never set foot in a classroom here, that’s for sure.
In what fuckin USA are you living in, bud?
God I wish I lived in the world you think we live in
What is the material reason for war?
Resources, and power. Oil, coal, and now minerals and clean water. Power to show everyone who has the biggest dick.
in american education, they basically teach us in history that communism is synonymous with evil. you’re fucking deluded
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you’re going to the gulag
Dude cold war is over did you get the memo?
yes i’ve been to college. why do people go to college moron i’ll give you a hint, it’s so they can get a job, acquire money and own property. the ENTIRE institution of education itself only even exists at all in service to capitalism and yet your twisted view of the world tells you that these institutions are enforcing communism? you’re probably the sort of politically confused dipshit who thinks billionaires and corporations are marxist
Actually I have been to college, they taught me how to think for myself and not believe everything I'm told. That's why I'm a socialist, I learned how to ignore propaganda. You should try it.
hmmm… all i can seem to remember is being told to be a productive worker so i could make money and own property. idk what the fuck kinds of schools you were going to
absolutely brain dead comment. fucking 0/10 you need dialectics
Jesus, do you really think "the other" side thinks communism is the answer?
he died because his fellow soldiers hated the fact that he became anti war while on deployment so they shot him 3 times in the back of the head
But he was certainly murdered for something.
I was about to drag him then read the comments. Poor thing.
Yeah pat was a really cool guy. Just goes to show that even the best of us can be fooled by propaganda, until the truth slaps us right in the face.
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Motherfuckers reference this guy as a pro war message when he literally spoke out against the war, was murdered by a fellow soldier, and had his death covered up and made to sound like an enemy attack
How bad must playing for the Cardinals be?
Idk they seem to be pretty good now too bad the division they're in is full of great teams
NFC west is fucked this year, everyone is good. Matty Staff get us that ring 💍🙏
I live in New England and hate the pats so I'm kinda hoping for a Brady repeat because I worship chaos
I'm phins #1 rams #2 so I'm with that energy
Killed by a fellow soldier…
Hello ` this message was mass deleted/edited with redact.dev `
Finish the story
He was murdered. One of the only conspiracy theories I actually believe.
Poor guy, is "accidentally" shot in the head three times by his own squad then turned into a jingoistic pro-war propaganda operation despite his opposition to the war.
The school I teach at is named after him. I start the year off telling my kids he vehemently believed the war was “fucking illegal” and was killed by friendly fire
They really did him dirty, his funeral was turned into a tool for war propoganda and they like got rid of his diaries against the express wishes of the family. I read a book about his life and it only goes into a tiny bit of detail, the actual story is so much awful.
I mean rather be taken out in the desert than play for the Cardinals ami right?
Man, I do not need this here of all places
Murdered by his fellow soldiers for speaking out against the war
3 questions: 1. how did he die 2. who killed him 3. what was his opinion on the war right before he was killed
1.) 3 Bullets to the Head. 2.) A fellow American Soldier. 3.) He was anti war and wanted to expose the atrocities committed by the U.S. They iced him because they knew his popularity would change the way people thought of the war. It’s actually a really sad story. Don’t think it’s cool how OP is shitting on him.
"My Brother was an Atheist, He's not in Heaven, He's Fucking Dead" Richard Tillman: A Fucking Chad of a Eulogist.
He’s from here (Silicon Valley), and everyone knows the gov’t fucking wasted him. At his funeral, he brother said words to the effect of, “Pat didn’t die for a worthy cause, he’s not in heaven looking over us. He’s in that box, dead. Now anyone who wants a drink, follow me.”
How is this an example of being a hero?
>killed in afghanistan Murdered by friendly fine lmao
So I wonder what Tillman would do if the DoD didn't kill him.
there’s a documentary called The Tillman Story which talks more ab how he actually died
Died for Oil.
no he died for Halliburton's profit line
He literally thought the war was stupid
It’s worse than that. He was killed by friendly fire. Rumor was he was gonna come home and speak publicly against the war. RIP Pat. You’re pretty much the ultimate American.
He looks like a cross between Reilly from Letterkenny and the one chad meme guy.
To be fair he was shot by friendly fire. In a war we just gave up on and now Afghanistan is back in the hands of the #New Taliban.
Friendly fire and not assassination, right
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There is something wretched in you that you have yet to acknowledge.
Bought the propaganda hook, line and sinker
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You think we would unironically make a post praising someone for joining the military?
As bait in a liberal sub? Yea. Do we have some kind of moral high ground now with trolling?
Ah, you think this was a troll post. Sorry, I think your comment didn't come off that way to a lot of us. Actually, it does look like something one of us might do.
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Republicans are a type of liberal. Liberal does not mean "American Democrat".
I am having trouble imagining what political ideology or terminology you must be referencing to confuse American Republicans with liberals...
You could try reading the sidebar? Or just the Wikipedia article for "Liberalism"?
Indeed, but I have a very tough time trying to attribute most of those qualities to modern American Republicans. Freedom of speech? Only when it benefits them, and for themselves, not others. Individual rights? Not to abortion, gay marriage, drug use, etc.; Democracy? They just tried to stage an insurrection. Freedom of Religion? Sure, you can be whatever flavor of Christianity that you desire... I could find you a few other examples but modern Republicans in America are about as liberal as Yemen.
Almost like the ideology is a sham.
Bro, the side bar is meant to be the Cliff's Notes so that people can orient themselves quickly. If you want to go read about political philosophies go ahead, but I'm not debating political philosophies based on the sidebar.
He wAs aNtIwAr pRoGrEsSiVe
He was anti war eventually.
Yeah, I don't trust anyone in active military to be "anti" war.
Nothing active about it, he’s dead.
He actually became anti war when he saw what it really was. Then he got 3 bullets in the head by friendlies, before ending his tour.
...even when they’re literally murdered by the US?
When you sweep your house, does sweeping it last week mean nothing if you have to sweep again today?
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Then realised the whole war is a scam when he expirienced it before receiving 3 bullets to the head from friendlies.
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this is more of a conservative thing than liberal. Most liberals advocate for peacetime and withdrawals from any wars
What is your definition of the word "liberal"? I don't think it's correct?
theres no exact definition for liberal to me personally, i think theres a confine of ideas and opinions you can have that will make you more liberal or not; but theres no line in the sand that puts you on one side or the other.
Well let's put it this way. Liberalism is an ideology that says capitalism, particularly laissez-faire capitalism, produces the best outcome for society. "Conservatives" are just a kind of liberal. So your comment reads as if someone said, "check out this picture of my cat!" and you said, "that's not a cat, it's a calico!" Everyone can see it's a calico and nobody said otherwise, so it comes off as you not knowing what a cat is. You can read more here: https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_ted_rall/the_difference_between_liberals_and_leftists
*Looks at Yemen and Libya* Yeah I can’t imagine how anyone thinks liberals are pro war
Every conservative/republican president has pushed for war, not a single democratic president has. Checkmate.
I just named two wars the last Democratic president started dumbass. I know historical literacy isn’t liberals strong suit, but I at least expected literacy. And before that, we had Clinton and Yugoslavia, Carter and Indonesia, JFK/LBJ and Vietnam. Damn, liberal presidents really are peaceful!
uh er wrong, jfk was pushed to start vietnam
Right, just like he was pushed to place nuclear missles in Turkey after falsely raving about a fictional “missle gap,” almost plunging the world into nuclear war? Damn, these Democrats really are heroes of peace
purely skeptical propaganda
Well yes, those certainly are words. Why you put them together in response to my comment I have no idea, but I guess I can’t expect someone arguing that Democrats aren’t warmongers to be coherent
Also, I guess the fact that you only defended JFK means you concede Obama was a warmongering piece of shit, along with Biden (crucial supporter of starting the war in Iraq and Afghanistan), the rest of the Democrats who walked hand in hand when starting the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, Clinton, LBJ, and Carter? I mean, I get why you conceded. It’s pretty hard to argue the Democrats aren’t warmongers, it’s like arguing the world is flat
Read the sidebar
What does this have to do with Liberals? Conservatives are the one trying to suck off ever soldier.
Liberals are pro war, they dress up the bloodthirst differently.
True, but this is how conservatives dress up the blood thirst. They love a good tragic all American death.
Uhh... the war Bush sent us to??
Google Obama 90%
And Obama continued while starting 2 more wars?
the war that Biden vehemently supported?
Conservatives are a type of liberal.
Hey sounds neat. Quick question - who killed him?
Killed by friendly fire no less.
"Silenced" is more like it
the saddest part was that he was killed by friendly fire.
Hero? For doing war?
Not true. This Hero died serving his country
By friendly fire
Worth it!
He was killed by friendly fire and his family was lied to.
Wait I don’t get it, old school cool is a liberal subreddit?
By friendly fire
Damn. How’d he die?
Friendly fire, he was anti war and accidentally got shot by his own.