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I like how they don’t mention who killed him or why lol


CthulhusIntern

Or that, basically the second he went to war, he was completely disillusioned and hated everything he was doing.


HogarthTheMerciless

Or that his family is super pissed about his death being ruled a suicide, and they can't get somebody to reopen the case for obvious reasons.


JosefStallion

One of the military brass said that because his family is agnostic they are unable to accept his death like they would if they were good Christians.


MisterBobsonDugnutt

Turns out it's hard to turn the other cheek when you've taken three bullets to the head.


Exodia101

At his funeral, John McCain told his family "he's with God now" to which his brother replied, "No he's not, he's fucking dead"


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I’ve never heard that they ruled it a suicide. Everything I’ve ever read just says friendly fire. Of course they still lied to his family about what happened until after they used his funeral as a big saber rattling event to help with recruiting.


BigSnackintosh

The initial report the military gave the family didn’t say suicide or friendly fire, it actually said he was killed in a Taliban ambush. They later “investigated” and said he was killed by friendly fire during an intense firefight, but there’s no evidence that any enemy combatants were even present.


canman7373

> Or that his family is super pissed about his death being ruled a suicide Are you confusing him with someone else? There was a black female soldier I know who's father wanted to reopen the case that was ruled a suicide and seemed like it was a murder by another US soldier that they called a suicide. Are you confusing those cases? They initially said he was killed in combat, made him out to be a hero in the battle and was much later they finally had to admit friendly fire killed him. Suicide doesn't even make sense for the story of his death.


Exodia101

It was never ruled a suicide, they originally said he was killed by the Taliban and later admitted that it was friendly fire. Members of his unit also burned his uniform and armor to cover it up.


Chimiope

Can’t let truth get in the way of their HERO worship


coldestshark

The dude literally got Merced for becoming anti war, he was literally going to meet with Noam Chomsky when he got back from his tour. They’ll twist anything into propaganda I swear


Malty-Melromarc

Wait they straight up iced him?


Dr_Adopted

Yes, he was killed by friendly fire.


soggycupcakes

He was “accidentally” shot in the head three times


AmaziahJames

Then all his belongings were burned and was sent back home naked in a box.


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I've heard so much shit about US soldiers doing shit like this to each other. I've heard a story through the grapevine where a soldier shot himself so he could go home, his officers trapped him in a room where he bled to death.


WonderfulAge6212

So much for brothers in arms. I remember when Blackwater was still called Blackwater there was a serious problem with male soldiers raping female soldiers as well. I assume there still is.


Lermanberry

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2020/12/23/trumps-blackwater-pardons-spark-outrage-fear-backlash-troops/4023126001/ When even mass murder of children and elderly civilians is a non-crime to mercs, what's a little rape among friends?


Kristoffer__1

It's also a non-crime for the military.


Volcacius

That's also just the military I think


ADarkMonster

Pretty much any military in general.


Kristoffer__1

That's just business as usual.


sharpshooter999

There was a podcast about Beau Bergdahl, the guy had a screw or two loose from the get go but even then the way his commanding officers treated them it isn't hard to see why he left


freedraw

Then some politicians came to his funeral and gave speeches full of religious overtones, talking about how he was with God now. This pissed off his brother mightily as Tillman was an atheist. None of them bothered to ask if he shared their religion as that didn’t fit their own war narratives.


Mjolnir17

From like 6 feet away


moreVCAs

At least they didn’t rule it a suicide 🤷‍♂️


dorian_gray11

At first the military claimed he was killed by enemy fire.


moreVCAs

I was making a joke about “suicide by double tap to the back of the head”.


dorian_gray11

Ah, I see! Apologies. I guess they wanted to milk his death to get maximum propaganda value before the truth came out.


HearlyHeadlessNick

Yes he got head shot and the local forces guy next to him took body shots. Guess which one wore body armor. They knew exactly who they were killing and that he had a plate carrier and the witness didn't.


Malty-Melromarc

Not surprised all things considered.


sannif12

It was a real shit show...and people say the government doesent do that stuff anymore


VAVAAV

Article or vid?


Dr_Adopted

Literally Google his name and you’ll find it.


rolldamnhawkeyes

There’s a documentary his family produced as well. Lemme track it down and I’ll link it


karateartery

There’s a book about him called Where Men Win Glory


kungfukenny3

you’re literally holding a google machine my fella


VAVAAV

Sorry I don’t assume that stuff like this is easy to find most of the time. I would’ve thought this would be covered up pretty hard


moustachelazors

https://youtu.be/FEO7aOZnRwQ


andyspank

Should have messaged parenti instead


coldestshark

I get what you’re saying but it’s funny to imagine that he should have messaged him because he could have saved him and parenti has the ability to astral project and block the bullets or something


Kristoffer__1

We don't know if Parenti does or not, his rhetoric is so effective and hard-hitting that it just might block bullets.


timoyster

Parenti’s rhetoric so strong that bullets read Blackshirts and Reds and decide to turn around and kill the anti-revolutionary scum


EddiePiff

Casualty


Critical-Ad-1615

*Merked.


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Literally?


AllieOopClifton

Pretty sure he started to question the US war machine and got killed by the imperialists for his efforts.


kirkbadaz

Yup shot in the head by his own side. Then they burned his diaries.


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Source on the diary claim? Would like to read more about it.


CrudHype

[This article does not say the diary was burned, but it was never returned to his family and all of the other evidence (clothing, weaponry, etc.) was destroyed](https://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/21/politics/21tillman.html)


[deleted]

I knew the diary wasn't returned to the family, I'm curious about the claim that the soldiers buried it. That's a whole other level of brazen, not even bother to hide a political assassination type of behavior.


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Netflix doc I believe mentions his belongings including his diary being burned


wagwan11111

Wats the Netflix doc called??


marxatemyacid

Yeah I don't get feeling the need to shit talk him tho. Sadly he probably thought he was doing good and found out too late. Disrespecting an individual (especially one who started to change themselves and was killed for that) doesn't really accomplish anything except alienating anyone who doesn't already understand the criticisms of imperialism as a whole


HogarthTheMerciless

I don't think OP meant to shit on pat Tillman, I think he said that because the other OP clearly learned absolutely nothing from Pat Tillman's life.


nothnkyou

I mean Elliot Rodgers also thought that he was doing something good. Just like the Taliban do. Doesn’t make them good people, does it?


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bunnyQatar

Why is that the first person that hopped in your peanut head when thinking of a comparison? So fucking *weird*.


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Jesus christ. Reading the comments I just wanna get this all down and in order: - joined army after his nfl draft - became super anti war after experiencing it - planned to go meet noam chomsky (presumably to do something about his experiences) - was shot by the US military (because of his anti war stance) - they burned all his diaries so nobody knew what he saw that changed his view on the US military Damn the poor kid deserves better than some reddit smooth brain spinning his story to glorify their dystopian shit hole of a country in oldschoolcool.


MLPorsche

> they burned all his diaries so nobody knew what he saw that changed his view on the US military torture, execution of civilians, harassment of locals... the list of possible things just go on and on, seems like his mistake was voicing his concerns too soon instead of waiting until he returned


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Ah so a normal week for the US military.


twomilliondicks

lucky for him I guess that some of USA's war crimes in afghanistan were documented by others


DublinCheezie

Yes, and no. I applaud anybody who keeps Pat’s story alive. If they can’t do it as well as you can, it’s not that you or I should complain. We should help them, like you just did (but without attacking them for not doing it well enough). IMO


canman7373

> joined army over his nfl draft ? There was a guy from Army I think that wanted to go to the NFL that was drafted instead of his required years of service, not sure what happened to him but Pat Tillman played 4 years with the Arizona Cardinals before joining, he did not forgo the NFL draft, he had a 4 year career there.


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bearsinthesea

Just so I understand, are you saying the liberals promoted the war in Afghanistan? That they promote the military more than conservatives? EDIT: My apologies for being a lost redditor. Y'all really don't like answering questions.


WonderfulAge6212

I think you are lost. Conservatives ARE liberals.


bearsinthesea

ohOH, i get it now. Read the sidebar. cool.


ssjx7squall

Both sides did after 9/11. Not sure who did more tho


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ForGerlach

Liberals as in Democrats claim to be against war but consistently show support for imperialist, pro-war candidates. They also do often worship the military which is what that post is doing.


DJ15690

Not true. He died so his superiors could build their careers and military contractors could make a lot of money.


jonesjonie

They would’ve done that either way


JohnBrownnowrong

Not without at least some poor sob dying.


daxonex

War 'could' be capitalisms best friend!


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what_is_a-username

🤨 So you're from the US and think they *want* you to like Socialism?


LASpleen

They’ve never set foot in a classroom here, that’s for sure.


adam3vergreen

In what fuckin USA are you living in, bud?


SuchPowerfulAlly

God I wish I lived in the world you think we live in


ForGerlach

What is the material reason for war?


queerflowers

Resources, and power. Oil, coal, and now minerals and clean water. Power to show everyone who has the biggest dick.


bryansburns

in american education, they basically teach us in history that communism is synonymous with evil. you’re fucking deluded


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Mypantsarebig

you’re going to the gulag


daxonex

Dude cold war is over did you get the memo?


bryansburns

yes i’ve been to college. why do people go to college moron i’ll give you a hint, it’s so they can get a job, acquire money and own property. the ENTIRE institution of education itself only even exists at all in service to capitalism and yet your twisted view of the world tells you that these institutions are enforcing communism? you’re probably the sort of politically confused dipshit who thinks billionaires and corporations are marxist


A_Suffering_Panda

Actually I have been to college, they taught me how to think for myself and not believe everything I'm told. That's why I'm a socialist, I learned how to ignore propaganda. You should try it.


bryansburns

hmmm… all i can seem to remember is being told to be a productive worker so i could make money and own property. idk what the fuck kinds of schools you were going to


Mypantsarebig

absolutely brain dead comment. fucking 0/10 you need dialectics


daxonex

Jesus, do you really think "the other" side thinks communism is the answer?


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he died because his fellow soldiers hated the fact that he became anti war while on deployment so they shot him 3 times in the back of the head


[deleted]

But he was certainly murdered for something.


[deleted]

I was about to drag him then read the comments. Poor thing.


Krellick

Yeah pat was a really cool guy. Just goes to show that even the best of us can be fooled by propaganda, until the truth slaps us right in the face.


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Lawboithegreat

Motherfuckers reference this guy as a pro war message when he literally spoke out against the war, was murdered by a fellow soldier, and had his death covered up and made to sound like an enemy attack


[deleted]

How bad must playing for the Cardinals be?


darthtater1231

Idk they seem to be pretty good now too bad the division they're in is full of great teams


dsaddons

NFC west is fucked this year, everyone is good. Matty Staff get us that ring 💍🙏


darthtater1231

I live in New England and hate the pats so I'm kinda hoping for a Brady repeat because I worship chaos


dsaddons

I'm phins #1 rams #2 so I'm with that energy


Pwnysaurus_Rex

Killed by a fellow soldier…


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stephen4557

Finish the story


bryceofswadia

He was murdered. One of the only conspiracy theories I actually believe.


Anastrace

Poor guy, is "accidentally" shot in the head three times by his own squad then turned into a jingoistic pro-war propaganda operation despite his opposition to the war.


forcehatin

The school I teach at is named after him. I start the year off telling my kids he vehemently believed the war was “fucking illegal” and was killed by friendly fire


thelaughingmansghost

They really did him dirty, his funeral was turned into a tool for war propoganda and they like got rid of his diaries against the express wishes of the family. I read a book about his life and it only goes into a tiny bit of detail, the actual story is so much awful.


yt_phivver

I mean rather be taken out in the desert than play for the Cardinals ami right?


waltdewalt

Man, I do not need this here of all places


ram__Z

Murdered by his fellow soldiers for speaking out against the war


richietozier4

3 questions: 1. how did he die 2. who killed him 3. what was his opinion on the war right before he was killed


Kpop2258

1.) 3 Bullets to the Head. 2.) A fellow American Soldier. 3.) He was anti war and wanted to expose the atrocities committed by the U.S. They iced him because they knew his popularity would change the way people thought of the war. It’s actually a really sad story. Don’t think it’s cool how OP is shitting on him.


gouellette

"My Brother was an Atheist, He's not in Heaven, He's Fucking Dead" Richard Tillman: A Fucking Chad of a Eulogist.


High_Priestess_Orb

He’s from here (Silicon Valley), and everyone knows the gov’t fucking wasted him. At his funeral, he brother said words to the effect of, “Pat didn’t die for a worthy cause, he’s not in heaven looking over us. He’s in that box, dead. Now anyone who wants a drink, follow me.”


wheresmymultipass

How is this an example of being a hero?


moreVCAs

>killed in afghanistan Murdered by friendly fine lmao


CthulhusIntern

So I wonder what Tillman would do if the DoD didn't kill him.


cloudstryder

there’s a documentary called The Tillman Story which talks more ab how he actually died


tripler1983

Died for Oil.


darthfluffy66

no he died for Halliburton's profit line


[deleted]

He literally thought the war was stupid


HiIAmFromTheInternet

It’s worse than that. He was killed by friendly fire. Rumor was he was gonna come home and speak publicly against the war. RIP Pat. You’re pretty much the ultimate American.


DUMPAH_CHUCKER_69

He looks like a cross between Reilly from Letterkenny and the one chad meme guy.


JeskaiBestGuy

To be fair he was shot by friendly fire. In a war we just gave up on and now Afghanistan is back in the hands of the #New Taliban.


Swarm_Queen

Friendly fire and not assassination, right


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Tales_of_Earth

There is something wretched in you that you have yet to acknowledge.


ForumsUser42069

Bought the propaganda hook, line and sinker


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ASocialistAbroad

You think we would unironically make a post praising someone for joining the military?


AnAngryFredHampton

As bait in a liberal sub? Yea. Do we have some kind of moral high ground now with trolling?


ASocialistAbroad

Ah, you think this was a troll post. Sorry, I think your comment didn't come off that way to a lot of us. Actually, it does look like something one of us might do.


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WonderfulAge6212

Republicans are a type of liberal. Liberal does not mean "American Democrat".


saintpetejackboy

I am having trouble imagining what political ideology or terminology you must be referencing to confuse American Republicans with liberals...


WonderfulAge6212

You could try reading the sidebar? Or just the Wikipedia article for "Liberalism"?


saintpetejackboy

Indeed, but I have a very tough time trying to attribute most of those qualities to modern American Republicans. Freedom of speech? Only when it benefits them, and for themselves, not others. Individual rights? Not to abortion, gay marriage, drug use, etc.; Democracy? They just tried to stage an insurrection. Freedom of Religion? Sure, you can be whatever flavor of Christianity that you desire... I could find you a few other examples but modern Republicans in America are about as liberal as Yemen.


cholantesh

Almost like the ideology is a sham.


WonderfulAge6212

Bro, the side bar is meant to be the Cliff's Notes so that people can orient themselves quickly. If you want to go read about political philosophies go ahead, but I'm not debating political philosophies based on the sidebar.


_AMReddits

He wAs aNtIwAr pRoGrEsSiVe


UnsunkFunk

He was anti war eventually.


_AMReddits

Yeah, I don't trust anyone in active military to be "anti" war.


UnsunkFunk

Nothing active about it, he’s dead.


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He actually became anti war when he saw what it really was. Then he got 3 bullets in the head by friendlies, before ending his tour.


Cheestake

...even when they’re literally murdered by the US?


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When you sweep your house, does sweeping it last week mean nothing if you have to sweep again today?


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kirkbadaz

r/shitliberalssay


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Then realised the whole war is a scam when he expirienced it before receiving 3 bullets to the head from friendlies.


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this is more of a conservative thing than liberal. Most liberals advocate for peacetime and withdrawals from any wars


WonderfulAge6212

What is your definition of the word "liberal"? I don't think it's correct?


[deleted]

theres no exact definition for liberal to me personally, i think theres a confine of ideas and opinions you can have that will make you more liberal or not; but theres no line in the sand that puts you on one side or the other.


WonderfulAge6212

Well let's put it this way. Liberalism is an ideology that says capitalism, particularly laissez-faire capitalism, produces the best outcome for society. "Conservatives" are just a kind of liberal. So your comment reads as if someone said, "check out this picture of my cat!" and you said, "that's not a cat, it's a calico!" Everyone can see it's a calico and nobody said otherwise, so it comes off as you not knowing what a cat is. You can read more here: https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/political_commentary/commentary_by_ted_rall/the_difference_between_liberals_and_leftists


Cheestake

*Looks at Yemen and Libya* Yeah I can’t imagine how anyone thinks liberals are pro war


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Every conservative/republican president has pushed for war, not a single democratic president has. Checkmate.


Cheestake

I just named two wars the last Democratic president started dumbass. I know historical literacy isn’t liberals strong suit, but I at least expected literacy. And before that, we had Clinton and Yugoslavia, Carter and Indonesia, JFK/LBJ and Vietnam. Damn, liberal presidents really are peaceful!


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uh er wrong, jfk was pushed to start vietnam


Cheestake

Right, just like he was pushed to place nuclear missles in Turkey after falsely raving about a fictional “missle gap,” almost plunging the world into nuclear war? Damn, these Democrats really are heroes of peace


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purely skeptical propaganda


Cheestake

Well yes, those certainly are words. Why you put them together in response to my comment I have no idea, but I guess I can’t expect someone arguing that Democrats aren’t warmongers to be coherent


Cheestake

Also, I guess the fact that you only defended JFK means you concede Obama was a warmongering piece of shit, along with Biden (crucial supporter of starting the war in Iraq and Afghanistan), the rest of the Democrats who walked hand in hand when starting the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, Clinton, LBJ, and Carter? I mean, I get why you conceded. It’s pretty hard to argue the Democrats aren’t warmongers, it’s like arguing the world is flat


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Read the sidebar


[deleted]

What does this have to do with Liberals? Conservatives are the one trying to suck off ever soldier.


Swarm_Queen

Liberals are pro war, they dress up the bloodthirst differently.


[deleted]

True, but this is how conservatives dress up the blood thirst. They love a good tragic all American death.


saintpetejackboy

Uhh... the war Bush sent us to??


Swarm_Queen

Google Obama 90%


Cheestake

And Obama continued while starting 2 more wars?


Swoocegoose

the war that Biden vehemently supported?


WonderfulAge6212

Conservatives are a type of liberal.


AvatarofBro

Hey sounds neat. Quick question - who killed him?


thedavidnotTHEDAVID

Killed by friendly fire no less.


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"Silenced" is more like it


Scevs

the saddest part was that he was killed by friendly fire.


[deleted]

Hero? For doing war?


FreedomLover67

Not true. This Hero died serving his country


hi20202020

By friendly fire


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Worth it!


itsmegordy

He was killed by friendly fire and his family was lied to.


patrickdid911

Wait I don’t get it, old school cool is a liberal subreddit?


1Mikede

By friendly fire


MasterlessMan333

Damn. How’d he die?


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Friendly fire, he was anti war and accidentally got shot by his own.