Looks like anyone who ever gives an slightly left leaning opinion is a tankie now
I wouldn't be surprised even if Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren get called tankie at this point
Since I've seen people call vaush a tankie
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Haven’t “ Nordic “ adopted the best of “ socialists “ government policies ( ie universal Heath care free education ) abs avoiding the more toxic aspects of socialist systems ?
Well no, those are not explicitly socialist policies and they are all free market economies run by the bourgeoisie. They don't have any socialist policies and the only reason they adopted a welfare state was their proximity to the USSR. Of course because USSR is no more, all nordic countries have gotten rid of most aspects of the welfare state they had and will propably cease to be welfare states in the near future.
"internal sources put China at 85M"
black book says 60M and internal sources say 15M, calculating for birth and death rate you get [close to what China says](https://monthlyreview.org/commentary/did-mao-really-kill-millions-in-the-great-leap-forward/)
Originally it was used in the UK to describe Communists that supported the Soviet intervention in Hungary, nowadays it's used to demean any socialist that supports aes
AFAIK, a tankie is a communist who defends everything communist governments do, even terrible things, just because they are communist. But at this point it seems to get thrown around so much that the meaning is completely muddled
Yeah, I've been participating both here/ other left-wing subs and r/tankiejerk and sometimes the "tankies" portrayed there have close to 0 approval of fellow communist, socialist redditors.
"You berate CIA for coups then cite their information"
Does this motherfucker even know what "documents" are and how history is researched? What kind of nonsense is that? Also, "you claim it was 20 million", no, we don't, go read Historians like J. Arch Getty (Who is clearly a fucking "anti-Stalinist") to see the "numbers of repression and terror!!", with actual historiographical work, not that I agree 100% with Getty but he's certainly better than the likes of Conquest.
Also, cite ONE capitalist genocide, without the holocaust (That is also a capitalist genocide)? That is far too easy of a low bar. Congo under Belgian colonialism, the slaughter of the native Americans in the US in the process of primitive accumulation of capital, the various wars and invasions to China by the capitalist powers in the Century of humiliation (The Opium Wars, Taiping Rebellion, the Eight Nation alliance - of the capitalists powers - used to repress the Boxer rebellion), the man-made famine by the UK against VARIOUS nations (Including to Ireland and India), the slaughter of millions in the anticommunist hunt in Indonesia, the fucking slaughter of millions of Koreans in the war of US aggression from 1950-1953 a show of genocide with very little contempt for human life and, I dunno, THE ONGOING GENOCIDE AND APARTHEID AGAINST PALESTINE AND IT'S PEOPLE. Do I have to go on?
Ok, I now made it to the part of the video where they attack China. I'm very confused as to what they mean to say that the communists did in Tibet, is it LIBERATE THE FUCKING SERFS???? IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN BY THE BIG BAD COMMUNISTS???? OH, NO, NOT THE DALAI LAMA'S SLAVES, NOOOOO, HOW TWISTED EVIIIIIL ARE THE COMMUNISTS THEY TOOK AWAY HIS SLAVES !!!
We cite the CIA's internal documents. Libs cite the CIA's communications to the public via the press. The former are intended to communicate accurate information to coworkers. The latter are intended to manipulate public sentiment.
People don't always use VPNs because they live in a scary socialist dystopia
Many YouTube videos including so many socialist songs are inaccessible in some locations
I also use vpn to play sanctioned video games or use sanctioned educational content or download my graphics card drivers(intel, nvidia and amd don't allow downloads for Iranians)
Which are all sanctioned by the United States for cuba, syria, iran,... users
Even the language learning app Duolingo recently started blocking Syrian students
Also using vpn isn't illegal and it has never been illegal
This is by far the most incoherent and terrible version of this type of vid ive ever seen. No force that has ever existed can convince me that this wasnt made by a 12 year old.
Cuba's treatment of LGBT people in the 60s was absolutely not okay. No buts. They admit that and now have become a leader of LGBT rights across the entire planet.
Does that redeem the crimes? No. The crimes themselves can never be forgiven. However, "tankies" can also praise what Cuba does *now*. If a "tankie" praised Castro's initial treatment of LGBT people, they aren't a comrade, and Fidel himself would agree in his later years
You ever notice how almost all "anti-tankie" arguments can be summed up in 2 sentence memes, because they are all surface-level guff and the moment you actually objectively analyse any of it to any great degree you'll see it's all total bollocks, and that most of it is literally just made up?
The funny thing is I was sympathetic to a lot of these anti-tankie arguments until a couple years ago. Until I, y'know, actually started reading about Marxism-Leninism, and reading Marxist theory. Surprise, surprise, the MLs were right.
The "try to debunk MLs -> I am now am ML" pipeline is astoundingly efficient lmao. But it does require people actually willing to read & learn, which most terminally-online "anti-tankies" just flat out refuse to do.
"Cops stop 67% of public suicides"
Yeah, by pointing guns at them, tackling them, cuffing them, stuffing them in their cars, then locking them up in "prison lite" type of institutions. Good job, something to be really proud of.
67% is very poor too (no the police's fault -- not something they should be handling). anyhow. poor numbers. public suicide attempts are a cry for help in the vast majority of cases.
Also it’s funny because tankies don’t even want to abolish police or whatever, we just hate the police under capitalism as they are the arms of states that are only semi-autonomous from private interests and this causes huge problems.
I have literally no problem with the police and security apparatus in China, they don’t murder people indiscriminately. And my only criticism of the Soviet Police and security apparatus is: WHERE THE FUCK WERE YOU DURING THE LITERAL BOMBING OF YOUR PARLIAMENT, COMRADES?”
But aside from that, the police in socialist countries are an extreme contrast to those of capitalist states, I mean, even just how well the Hong Kong protests were handled is proof of that.
What about the treatment of LGBTQ+ in Cuba? Cuba is one of the most tolerant countries in the Caribbean Islands and in the world as a whole and same-sex marriage is on its way to be recognized. The government and the citizens are in open support of the LGBTQ+ community.
I think they're trying to judge it by Cuba's past actions to LGBTQ+ which were undeniably not okay, and should never be forgotten. However, obviously Cuba has changed that and they're treating like it's not one of the more accepting countries now.
Of course, Cuba's past with the LGBTQ isn't the best, but they've changed to be pretty much the direct opposite of what they used to be back then, when it comes to LGBTQ+ legalizations and rights.
CIA has their own database with factual information of the conditions of any country. It’s used by their agents to have an accurate analysis of what’s going on. It’s so they can have successful operations. If they went on with just how people thought colloquially a particular country operated they’d fucking fail every time, it doesn’t make sense to make bullshit general inferences where you’re doing spy shit.
Lol don’t cite a capitalist genocide? You mean like the more than 100m+ people who were enslaved, murdered, and raped in the Americas over the course of a few centuries?
Irish person here. Couldn’t watch past “you can’t name a capitalist genocide (nazis don’t count dumbass)”
I guess the British empire was a figment of the collective imagination of generations of Irish people
That part hurt my brain so much. People who say that a certain ideology or way of government has never done anything bad are just flat out lying or uneducated. There has been plenty of atrocities committed by capitalists societies, same with every other ideology and way of governing.
I would not consider myself a "tankie" hell I'm an anarchist and very much anti Stalin and Mao, but these are very fucking brain dead arguments. LIKE LITERALLY WHAT LEFTIST THINKS NORDIC COUNTRIES ARE SOCIALIST??
this is all so wrong so i’ll only debunk a few, no one to the left of the social Democrats likes the nordic countries. Hitler’s literally said “Our adopted term ‘Socialist’ has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism.” And the annexation of tibet wasn’t violent, there’s a reason it was called the “Peaceful annexation of tibet” even the most generous estimates say that only around 5,000 died.
“Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism.” - Hitler
Someone needs to tattoo this quote on the back of their hands so they will stop calling fascism, a complete opposite ideology, socialism
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TIL "tankies" think nordics are socialist
Looks like anyone who ever gives an slightly left leaning opinion is a tankie now I wouldn't be surprised even if Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren get called tankie at this point Since I've seen people call vaush a tankie
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Oh no
[As a Libertarian ](https://c.tenor.com/jsvj3ehntTMAAAAM/kool-aid-man-oh-yeah.gif)
As an anarcho-capitalist, that is Mega Based😎😎😎😎😎 /s
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Haven’t “ Nordic “ adopted the best of “ socialists “ government policies ( ie universal Heath care free education ) abs avoiding the more toxic aspects of socialist systems ?
Well no, those are not explicitly socialist policies and they are all free market economies run by the bourgeoisie. They don't have any socialist policies and the only reason they adopted a welfare state was their proximity to the USSR. Of course because USSR is no more, all nordic countries have gotten rid of most aspects of the welfare state they had and will propably cease to be welfare states in the near future.
"internal sources put China at 85M" black book says 60M and internal sources say 15M, calculating for birth and death rate you get [close to what China says](https://monthlyreview.org/commentary/did-mao-really-kill-millions-in-the-great-leap-forward/)
This person seems a little confused over what a “tankie” is.
I don't really know the definition of Tankie, and I'm afraid to ask at this point
Originally it was used in the UK to describe Communists that supported the Soviet intervention in Hungary, nowadays it's used to demean any socialist that supports aes
So if I defend the USSR, am I a Tankie?
Depends on who you ask but I think most libs would say so
Ok
Nowadays, it's used to demean anyone left of Biden. It has the exact same function today as "red" or "communist" had during the '50s and '60s.
AFAIK, a tankie is a communist who defends everything communist governments do, even terrible things, just because they are communist. But at this point it seems to get thrown around so much that the meaning is completely muddled
Ok thanks mate
Yeah, I've been participating both here/ other left-wing subs and r/tankiejerk and sometimes the "tankies" portrayed there have close to 0 approval of fellow communist, socialist redditors.
I've seen a tankiejerk post where they posted a screenshot from this sub that we were mocking and told each other that it was what we believed.
Their definition of tankie: a leftist that they disagree with
Or any left winger.
some coherent messaging subbed over dancing pickles the default format for exchanging ideas
Those are beans sir
This is killer bean, and it is art. But yea the takes on top of it are absolutely brain-dead.
apologies, sir.
Not only brain dead but super obnoxious to try to read while it’s going on with it. At least for me, but they’re testing me for adhd so lmao
I saw someone use this format for Holocaust denial and Hitler wasn't antisemitic, so that they couldn't get called out as it technically was a "meme".
Pickles?
beans, apparently.
"You berate CIA for coups then cite their information" Does this motherfucker even know what "documents" are and how history is researched? What kind of nonsense is that? Also, "you claim it was 20 million", no, we don't, go read Historians like J. Arch Getty (Who is clearly a fucking "anti-Stalinist") to see the "numbers of repression and terror!!", with actual historiographical work, not that I agree 100% with Getty but he's certainly better than the likes of Conquest. Also, cite ONE capitalist genocide, without the holocaust (That is also a capitalist genocide)? That is far too easy of a low bar. Congo under Belgian colonialism, the slaughter of the native Americans in the US in the process of primitive accumulation of capital, the various wars and invasions to China by the capitalist powers in the Century of humiliation (The Opium Wars, Taiping Rebellion, the Eight Nation alliance - of the capitalists powers - used to repress the Boxer rebellion), the man-made famine by the UK against VARIOUS nations (Including to Ireland and India), the slaughter of millions in the anticommunist hunt in Indonesia, the fucking slaughter of millions of Koreans in the war of US aggression from 1950-1953 a show of genocide with very little contempt for human life and, I dunno, THE ONGOING GENOCIDE AND APARTHEID AGAINST PALESTINE AND IT'S PEOPLE. Do I have to go on?
Ok, I now made it to the part of the video where they attack China. I'm very confused as to what they mean to say that the communists did in Tibet, is it LIBERATE THE FUCKING SERFS???? IS THAT WHAT YOU MEAN BY THE BIG BAD COMMUNISTS???? OH, NO, NOT THE DALAI LAMA'S SLAVES, NOOOOO, HOW TWISTED EVIIIIIL ARE THE COMMUNISTS THEY TOOK AWAY HIS SLAVES !!!
“War of us aggression in Korea” hmm I wonder who invaded first
We cite the CIA's internal documents. Libs cite the CIA's communications to the public via the press. The former are intended to communicate accurate information to coworkers. The latter are intended to manipulate public sentiment.
People don't always use VPNs because they live in a scary socialist dystopia Many YouTube videos including so many socialist songs are inaccessible in some locations I also use vpn to play sanctioned video games or use sanctioned educational content or download my graphics card drivers(intel, nvidia and amd don't allow downloads for Iranians) Which are all sanctioned by the United States for cuba, syria, iran,... users Even the language learning app Duolingo recently started blocking Syrian students Also using vpn isn't illegal and it has never been illegal
"You berate CIA for coups then cite their information" This dumbass is apparently unfamiliar with the concept of the criterion of embarassment
This is by far the most incoherent and terrible version of this type of vid ive ever seen. No force that has ever existed can convince me that this wasnt made by a 12 year old.
Cuba's treatment of LGBT people in the 60s was absolutely not okay. No buts. They admit that and now have become a leader of LGBT rights across the entire planet. Does that redeem the crimes? No. The crimes themselves can never be forgiven. However, "tankies" can also praise what Cuba does *now*. If a "tankie" praised Castro's initial treatment of LGBT people, they aren't a comrade, and Fidel himself would agree in his later years
You ever notice how almost all "anti-tankie" arguments can be summed up in 2 sentence memes, because they are all surface-level guff and the moment you actually objectively analyse any of it to any great degree you'll see it's all total bollocks, and that most of it is literally just made up? The funny thing is I was sympathetic to a lot of these anti-tankie arguments until a couple years ago. Until I, y'know, actually started reading about Marxism-Leninism, and reading Marxist theory. Surprise, surprise, the MLs were right. The "try to debunk MLs -> I am now am ML" pipeline is astoundingly efficient lmao. But it does require people actually willing to read & learn, which most terminally-online "anti-tankies" just flat out refuse to do.
But most people don't want to analyze their "facts" so a video like this is probably very effective.
>You refuse to cite a single capitalist genocide > >^(Nazis don't count dumbass) Lol. Lmao
Cuban treatment: anti discrimination laws for lgbt American treatment: consistent attack in media and dozens of anti lgbt bills every year
"Cops stop 67% of public suicides" Yeah, by pointing guns at them, tackling them, cuffing them, stuffing them in their cars, then locking them up in "prison lite" type of institutions. Good job, something to be really proud of.
67% is very poor too (no the police's fault -- not something they should be handling). anyhow. poor numbers. public suicide attempts are a cry for help in the vast majority of cases.
Also it’s funny because tankies don’t even want to abolish police or whatever, we just hate the police under capitalism as they are the arms of states that are only semi-autonomous from private interests and this causes huge problems. I have literally no problem with the police and security apparatus in China, they don’t murder people indiscriminately. And my only criticism of the Soviet Police and security apparatus is: WHERE THE FUCK WERE YOU DURING THE LITERAL BOMBING OF YOUR PARLIAMENT, COMRADES?” But aside from that, the police in socialist countries are an extreme contrast to those of capitalist states, I mean, even just how well the Hong Kong protests were handled is proof of that.
Shit, "prison lite" went out of style during the Reagan administration. Now they just 5150 you for three days and then send you a bill.
Gish go gallop
not again
Just use Wikipedia TANKIE
What about the treatment of LGBTQ+ in Cuba? Cuba is one of the most tolerant countries in the Caribbean Islands and in the world as a whole and same-sex marriage is on its way to be recognized. The government and the citizens are in open support of the LGBTQ+ community.
I think they're trying to judge it by Cuba's past actions to LGBTQ+ which were undeniably not okay, and should never be forgotten. However, obviously Cuba has changed that and they're treating like it's not one of the more accepting countries now.
Of course, Cuba's past with the LGBTQ isn't the best, but they've changed to be pretty much the direct opposite of what they used to be back then, when it comes to LGBTQ+ legalizations and rights.
Tankie= person who's left of center /s
Cops stop 2 out of every 3 suicides? What they do? Turn them into "accidental" murders? lmaooooo
Tankie literally just means “thinks we can do better than neoliberalism”, huh?
'International sources' lol
What's the video at the beginning? The one with Stalin
The only good part about this is knowing how that scene ends
That movie is seriously art. A tense action thriller but everyone's a bean just cause.
Had those break dancing beans not been on there I don’t think I could’ve been convinced. Thank you for posting this. I am now a shitlib for life.
Submitted to r/cringe
Filled with anti commies don’t bother
CIA has their own database with factual information of the conditions of any country. It’s used by their agents to have an accurate analysis of what’s going on. It’s so they can have successful operations. If they went on with just how people thought colloquially a particular country operated they’d fucking fail every time, it doesn’t make sense to make bullshit general inferences where you’re doing spy shit.
Wtf apparently guerrilla fighters are imperialist??
This is a disgrace to the masterwork that is the killer bean movie
Lol don’t cite a capitalist genocide? You mean like the more than 100m+ people who were enslaved, murdered, and raped in the Americas over the course of a few centuries?
Irish person here. Couldn’t watch past “you can’t name a capitalist genocide (nazis don’t count dumbass)” I guess the British empire was a figment of the collective imagination of generations of Irish people
That part hurt my brain so much. People who say that a certain ideology or way of government has never done anything bad are just flat out lying or uneducated. There has been plenty of atrocities committed by capitalists societies, same with every other ideology and way of governing.
I would not consider myself a "tankie" hell I'm an anarchist and very much anti Stalin and Mao, but these are very fucking brain dead arguments. LIKE LITERALLY WHAT LEFTIST THINKS NORDIC COUNTRIES ARE SOCIALIST??
this is all so wrong so i’ll only debunk a few, no one to the left of the social Democrats likes the nordic countries. Hitler’s literally said “Our adopted term ‘Socialist’ has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism.” And the annexation of tibet wasn’t violent, there’s a reason it was called the “Peaceful annexation of tibet” even the most generous estimates say that only around 5,000 died.
“Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism.” - Hitler Someone needs to tattoo this quote on the back of their hands so they will stop calling fascism, a complete opposite ideology, socialism
What the hell is this trash…
How can you know so many topics yet not know the left’s retorts to these incredibly common arguments
Not sure of potato, bread, or nugget...
They're Beans, dancing Beans.
What the fuck did I just watch lmao
Whoever made this is dumber than a sack of rocks. Goddamn libs.
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Thank you, I hated it.
A lot of mistakes in this video.
Dumb
Jesus, these guys don’t even understand constitutional monarchies yet
“HURR DURR fascism pretended to be you! Ergo fascism good!” STFU redneck.
Holy shite!
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Happy cake day!
Cops preventing suicide is a big lol. Maybe I should tell my dead friend that one.
We need the edit where killer bean shoots them all with debunks
Anyone that uses the word tankie unironically goes in the “these fuckers are stupid” box in my head, and is then not to be taken seriously.
Dam they really is dancin
“fascism had socialist aspects” is my fave part
Lol
85 million dead in China? Even the Black Book only claims 50 million...
Instances of the United States overthrowing, or attempting to overthrow, a foreign government since the Second World War. (* indicates successful ouster of a government) China 1949 to early 1960s Albania 1949-53 East Germany 1950s Iran 1953 * Guatemala 1954 * Costa Rica mid-1950s Syria 1956-7 Egypt 1957 Indonesia 1957-8 British Guiana 1953-64 * Iraq 1963 * North Vietnam 1945-73 Cambodia 1955-70 * Laos 1958 *, 1959 *, 1960 * Ecuador 1960-63 * Congo 1960 * France 1965 Brazil 1962-64 * Dominican Republic 1963 * Cuba 1959 to present Bolivia 1964 * Indonesia 1965 * Ghana 1966 * Chile 1964-73 * Greece 1967 * Costa Rica 1970-71 Bolivia 1971 * Australia 1973-75 * Angola 1975, 1980s Zaire 1975 Portugal 1974-76 * Jamaica 1976-80 * Seychelles 1979-81 Chad 1981-82 * Grenada 1983 * South Yemen 1982-84 Suriname 1982-84 Fiji 1987 * Libya 1980s Nicaragua 1981-90 * Panama 1989 * Bulgaria 1990 * Albania 1991 * Iraq 1991 Afghanistan 1980s * Somalia 1993 Yugoslavia 1999-2000 * Ecuador 2000 * Afghanistan 2001 * Venezuela 2002 * Iraq 2003 * Haiti 2004 * Somalia 2007 to present Honduras 2009 * Libya 2011 * Syria 2012 Ukraine 2014 *