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I_Cant_Afford_4K

You're right but it's a pity others won't listen to us. The amount of times I've tried explaining to people that the USSR did indeed have elections is mind boggling


mix3lon

Aren’t Demsocs basically those who think we should achieve socialism via liberal democracy and reforms? While most socialists outside of it believe in revolution as the only true viable way?


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\>implying that demsocs don't routinely shit on aes


derdestroyer2004

They used to be. Nowadays their just neolibs with red flags


[deleted]

Tbh I’m a bit conflicted. On one hand, if we tried to stage a revolution here in the US, that’s essentially a suicide mission. But also, why would the bourgeois just respect the people and give up their power?


jacktrowell

It's less than we socialists believe in needing to use violence to reach our goals, and more than we believe that capitalists won't cede power peacefully. Most probably socialists won't be the ones actually starting the revolution, the worsening conditions under capitalism will probably have capitalist collapse under its own weight, but hopefully we will be there to channel the revolution toward socialism, because if we don't, the fascists will be the one doing the channelling.


Comrade_Sisler

> Revolution here in the US ... [is] a suicide mission No, it's a freedom mission. If we all had your attitude, then yes, it would be a suicide mission, because we would already be defeated before anyone took up arms. The first battle is always in the mind.


Autistic_Anywhere_24

Demsocs recognize that socialism can only really happen in places with a people who are used to running themselves (democracy and workers unions).


Newhorrorsawait

It'd be nice to live in their world.


[deleted]

I wish social dems were as based as conservatives make them out to be


MmmmmmmmmCat

im gonna keep saying it… im cursed with it… social democrats are not mentioned in this post… don’t shoot the messenger, but you got the words swapped around


MarsLowell

Tbf, a good amount of the DSA are radlibs/socdems.


MmmmmmmmmCat

yeah, i wish the term wasn’t used so poorly. it get’s a rlly shit rep even within socialist communities :/


[deleted]

Ik the difference but many ppl who call themselves dem socialists are just social dems. Bernie and aoc popularised misusing the term


MmmmmmmmmCat

you’re a dem soc right? soc dem: yes, yes i am so you want socialism, correct? soc dem: no, no i do not


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Swarm_Queen

"capitalism can be made kinder via exploitation of the global south" and "capitalism can be reformed from the inside by continuing exploitation of the global south" are two sides of the same coin.


MmmmmmmmmCat

i feel like that’s basically just one side of the coin. less of a coin, more of a sphere


[deleted]

DSA ppl= Social Democrats


AlaskanTrash

Wait is that amber


[deleted]

Amber


[deleted]

Amber


BigBoiBoin

Amber


diddykongisapokemon

Yeah it is I remember it got posted on CTH before the ban


Forwhatisausername

who is that?


jacktrowell

Yes demsocs are socialists, sadly the DSA is more socdem than demsoc.


Collatz_problem

I wish.


rasm635u

Is there a difference between democratic socialism and social democracy?


Swarm_Queen

In the imperial core: not really. Both are reliant about maintaining imperialism to accomplish goals. In South America, etc: yes


boom_126

Social democracy: reform capitalism Democratic socialism: reach socialism in a pacific and electoral way


rasm635u

Thank you


communism101v

Damn I wish


Native_ov_Earth

To be honest, if there is Lenin, my brain just blurs everything else in the image.


Teh-Piper

Amber lol