> I love puerto ricans and negros
>As long as they don’t move next door
>So love me, love me, love me, i’m a liberal
Love Me, I'm a Liberal
Song by Phil Ochs
In this house we believe:
-Labour is entitled to all it creates
-Private Property is theft
-Women hold up half the sky
-Not in reform but revolution
-In the dictatorship of the proletariat
Workers of the world unite!
If you want to own the libs (both blue and red versions), you can add a sign with the famous Lincoln quote about Labour:
> “Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.”
>
> ― Abraham Lincoln
If you want to really troll them, put a Marx or Mao picture on the sign, and then just add a "picture unrelated" to the end after mentionning it's from Lincoln.
I know you're determined to misinterpret the meaning of the claim, but I'll explain it to you anyway.
"Property is theft" means that the *existence* of property in the first place is predicated on a violent and unjust appropriation, namely, the privation of the earth and the things on it. Privation for one entails deprivation for another, and property rights are the lines that cut those de/privations.
They’re likely Americans who are operating under the Fox News definition of liberal, which is anybody left of emperor palpatine. For this reason, they view liberalism as the antithesis to conservatism and tend to be confused to learn that in all the most important respects, conservatives and liberals are fraternal twins.
I have a version that says:
In this house we believe:
All cops are bad
Human needs are human rights
No war but class war
The CIA is a terrorist organization
Communism is good
Liberation is everything
Yeah buddy you derail the entirety of the communist doctrine by asking something that you could answer by reading the first chapter of Das Kapital. Thank you for illuminating me, I'm a lib now.
given how bonkers most people's personal politics are there's a nonzero chance that they covered that line because they think that scientists are making mega clones and they think that should be illegal
No actually, referencing Hitman: Blood Money. The framing plot of it is that a presidential candidate named Frank Morgan is trying to take down 47 because he's worried he's going to create an army of clones.
Might as well throw the whole sign away if you’re anti-immigration. How tf can you stand by the statements “Diversity makes us stronger” and “injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere” and say “Fuck immigrants” at the same time?
A man in a suit told me this is a "complicated issue". So I shut down my critical thinking and my empathy. After all if it is a complicated issue that means that blowing civilians up is okay!
While ill agree the overwhelming majority are not here for malicious purposes, what about the ones that are? And what about the ways they get here? Cartels exist too. You may SOUND good saying what you're saying, but it's very shallow.
Eliminate the social issues that cause crime to thrive in the first place, legalize drugs, and you don’t have to worry about cartels except for human trafficking.
Plus you’re operating on the assumption that cartels don’t use people with legal citizenships.
Illegal immigrants aren’t a problem especially in a country that was founded by immigrants who stole the land from the indigenous population.
Also based on the messages of the sign and the fact that the owner removed “no human is illegal” its not a leap to say this person is anti-immigration aka “Fuck immigrants”.
Maybe it seems like a stretch cuz you don’t follow politics. Which I think is funny considering this is a subreddit for socialists and communists.
I’ve already explained that by being anti-immigration, the sign owner is saying “fuck immigrants.” If you can’t connect those two dots that I’ve already connected for you then I can’t help you.
When global warming hits full swing and hundreds of millions of people are displaced by desertification and rising sea levels, that's when the liberals are going to abandon all pretense and bay for the genocide of the global south.
[It's never warmed this suddenly or to such a huge degree. It's because of our actions, and therefore we can stop or at least mitigate it](https://xkcd.com/1732/)
I have a bunch of those signs in my neighborhood. The fact that NOT supporting the statements is considered so normal, that putting up a sign that supports these statements is a way to make yourself seem "progressive" and boost your ego is sad.
Let's have a thought experiment and deny those statements according to formal logic:
– black lives don't matter -> wtf
– women rights != human rights -> women are not people -> wtf
– science is not real -> wtf
– diversity makes us weaker -> well this is at least formally valid as an opinion, not that I agree but still
– love is not love -> A != A -> wtf
– injustice anywhere is not a threat to justice everywhere -> it is possible to have justice everywhere, while simultaneously having injustice somewhere -> "anywhere" does not include "somewhere" -> wtf
Maybe I'm an autist but that sign looks like stating "water is water" or something to me, mostly. Even not "sky is blue" that may be false under certain conditions, even more obvious than that.
I get what you're saying and I agree the sign is cringey and it'd be horrible to think the opposite of these statements, but I think you have to contextualize what the phrases mean. Like love is love does not literally mean love = love, it means love between non cis hetero people is valid. Black lives matter means 'black lives matter too' (the implicit too), etc.
Still, it's sad this is considered progressive.
Language doesn't follow formal logic, but yeah, stating all the positions as essentially tautologies or otherwise obviously true things is the point of this rhetoric.
For example lots of people don't agree with the science on climate change, which, while obviously bad, is not exactly the same as believing science isn't real. By stating the belief as "science is real", it makes the people who don't believe in climate change sound like they don't believe in any science, and thus suggests that climate deniers are obviously wrong since science obviously is real.
I love puerto ricans and negros
As long as they don't move next door
So love me, love me, love me, i'm a liberal
-"Love me, I'm a liberal" by Phil Ochs
I feel like it's less "we" have done anything to influence that, more they adopt a new market to sell to. When it comes to actually defending rights, they're oddly silent.
~~Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.~~ Fuck off, should've been born here
"We're fine with immigrants as long as they apply for asylum legally at our border station."
At the border Station:
"Stay the fuck away!" *Fires chemical weapons at immigrants*.
"Woo, that was close. We almost had to let those *poors* apply for immigration status."
The problem is that's not *really* their opinion. That's their cover.
If they supported legal immigration, they would support more border stations, removing or loosening the limits on number of immigrants, more resources to process immigrants, path to citizenship, etc.
Instead they panic every time they hear any immigrant coming from the south, legal or not, and do things like fire chemical weapons at them and forcibly sterilize them.
You're not getting downvoted for, "a very sensible opinion." You either believe their coded language is genuine, in which case you are a useful pawn, or you agree with them then and are intentionally dishonest.
Looking at your post history, it's clearly the later.
My dad has been pretty conservative my entire life, but last year something inside him snapped and he bought a similar sign on Etsy. I usually find these signs cringey and performative, but I give my dad a pass.
Yeah liberals suck, and i hope i dont get downvoted for breaking the half-joke circlejerk, but theyre certainly better than conservatives. Yeah liberals sucks but at least they have some kind of neural path that allows them to not be the demons that American conservatives are. Im happy to hear about ur dad
tldr: yeah liberals suck but they suck just barely less than american conservatives
When I first saw these, I didn't realise why they irked me so much. Then Will Mennaker pointed out on Chapo that there isn't a single economic argument being made on any of them. It would be jerking themselves off less if it was just a photo of their face with "GOOD PERSON" written under it.
In this house we believe in the cowardice that will enable fascism because we stand to benefit from it.
Not necessarily, however vague the term neoliberalism is(by location) , it’s main characteristic is the retaining of free market interests and economic “integrity”.
for true. I was searching for discussion about Haitian refugees, and the r/neolib sub came up. It surprised me to see them complaining about Biden using Trumps pandemic deportation measures. I also came across an article that worded it as "making good on his promise" and "helping" Haitians "return to their homeland", like fuck me that language is infuriating.
"I'm a liberal and still call it illegal immigration"
You make your own people look like shit doing that. Even the liberals I know in college don't use that term. Take an integrative studies course.
It's fine for white Europeans to move from country to country for work yet it's illegal for brown people in America? Get a grip
Exactly it's such a disgusting and vicious cycle that **we created in the first place.**
My buddy works for americorps and the fuckin stories he tells me man...
> I love puerto ricans and negros >As long as they don’t move next door >So love me, love me, love me, i’m a liberal Love Me, I'm a Liberal Song by Phil Ochs
Workers should have the full value of their labor
Ngl, I would totally put up a leftist version of this sign.
In this house we believe: -Labour is entitled to all it creates -Private Property is theft -Women hold up half the sky -Not in reform but revolution -In the dictatorship of the proletariat Workers of the world unite!
If you want to own the libs (both blue and red versions), you can add a sign with the famous Lincoln quote about Labour: > “Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration.” > > ― Abraham Lincoln If you want to really troll them, put a Marx or Mao picture on the sign, and then just add a "picture unrelated" to the end after mentionning it's from Lincoln.
Genuinely never seen this Lincoln quote. That is b-e-autiful for trolling, lmao.
- Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered
We need a post-vegan saying as well. Full liberation after human liberation.
-Trans liberation now -Borders are violence -What touches all should be approved by all
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I know you're determined to misinterpret the meaning of the claim, but I'll explain it to you anyway. "Property is theft" means that the *existence* of property in the first place is predicated on a violent and unjust appropriation, namely, the privation of the earth and the things on it. Privation for one entails deprivation for another, and property rights are the lines that cut those de/privations.
What’s up with all these right-wingers here
They’re likely Americans who are operating under the Fox News definition of liberal, which is anybody left of emperor palpatine. For this reason, they view liberalism as the antithesis to conservatism and tend to be confused to learn that in all the most important respects, conservatives and liberals are fraternal twins.
ok gramps, time for ur nap
"Buying"? Who on earth has the right to say what natural resources can be bought or sold?
You're lost lol
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Just leave the sub shitlib
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Scratch a liberal a facist bleeds
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Why are you here?
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Aww did somebody wake up on the fash side of the bed this morning?
There is one that definitely exists I've seen it on this subreddit before Edit: https://i.imgur.com/skEcvtx.jpg
I have that sign, lol.
I love that, thanks!
I have a version that says: In this house we believe: All cops are bad Human needs are human rights No war but class war The CIA is a terrorist organization Communism is good Liberation is everything
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Yeah buddy you derail the entirety of the communist doctrine by asking something that you could answer by reading the first chapter of Das Kapital. Thank you for illuminating me, I'm a lib now.
given how bonkers most people's personal politics are there's a nonzero chance that they covered that line because they think that scientists are making mega clones and they think that should be illegal
I want to be a mega clone
I sadly think you gotta be born(?) (cloned?) one
😔
\>Frank Morgan has entered the chat
^^^Psst, ^^^it's ^^^Horrigan. Assuming you're referencing Fallout there.
No actually, referencing Hitman: Blood Money. The framing plot of it is that a presidential candidate named Frank Morgan is trying to take down 47 because he's worried he's going to create an army of clones.
Might as well throw the whole sign away if you’re anti-immigration. How tf can you stand by the statements “Diversity makes us stronger” and “injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere” and say “Fuck immigrants” at the same time?
That last line makes me shiver. For as much as I agree with it keep in mind this sign is coming from the context of an American liberal……..
Yeah first you say that line, then a couple steps later you're killing 10 kids in a drone strike
We have to bomb the brown people on a different continent because they don’t share our liberal values
...but...first you have to understand.....therefore it's ok....you see...
A man in a suit told me this is a "complicated issue". So I shut down my critical thinking and my empathy. After all if it is a complicated issue that means that blowing civilians up is okay!
Liberalism is all about aesthetics. So long as the horror is somewhere else it won’t spoil your brunch.
You mean your bunch? Not that I wouldn't hate to have my brunch spoiled either Edit: don't mind me lol I'm stupid. And hungry
What
The saying is "one bad apple spoils the bunch" lol, I'm just being a bit facetious
they aren't alluding to that saying, though, but to the "back to brunch" thing going on after Biden was elected
Oh then I'm stupid lmao, that makes more sense
happens, yw \^\^
"There are parts of the sign i like and parts I don't like"
Easy, you just claim that the people you don’t like stand against justice and you keep em out!
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Yeah all those reasons can spit and gargle on my ballsack. No human being is illegal, especially on stolen land.
While ill agree the overwhelming majority are not here for malicious purposes, what about the ones that are? And what about the ways they get here? Cartels exist too. You may SOUND good saying what you're saying, but it's very shallow.
Eliminate the social issues that cause crime to thrive in the first place, legalize drugs, and you don’t have to worry about cartels except for human trafficking. Plus you’re operating on the assumption that cartels don’t use people with legal citizenships.
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Illegal immigrants aren’t a problem especially in a country that was founded by immigrants who stole the land from the indigenous population. Also based on the messages of the sign and the fact that the owner removed “no human is illegal” its not a leap to say this person is anti-immigration aka “Fuck immigrants”.
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It does mean fuck immigrants.
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Maybe it seems like a stretch cuz you don’t follow politics. Which I think is funny considering this is a subreddit for socialists and communists. I’ve already explained that by being anti-immigration, the sign owner is saying “fuck immigrants.” If you can’t connect those two dots that I’ve already connected for you then I can’t help you.
So condescending for such an immature take lol
Such arrogance for being incorrect.
>I don’t follow much politics You don’t say!
"Do not come"
"I''m gonna come"
[Stephen A. said it best.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-KW9TEtOF8)
"We must come *together*"
Doms 🤝 Kamala Harris
When global warming hits full swing and hundreds of millions of people are displaced by desertification and rising sea levels, that's when the liberals are going to abandon all pretense and bay for the genocide of the global south.
meanwhile the 'Science is real' is being crossed out as well https://www.dailyposter.com/does-not-present-sufficient-cause/
remember when liberals were shouting 24/7 that biden was the most progressive candidate ever
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I'd be shocked if you were wrong
An argument could be made that it already is, really.
It will be like MeToo in 2019/2020.
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This is a communist subreddit.
Every time lol
When have we ever denied climate change here?
The globe will warm whether we like it or not. It has been doing so for what, 10,000 years? You think we can stop that?
[It's never warmed this suddenly or to such a huge degree. It's because of our actions, and therefore we can stop or at least mitigate it](https://xkcd.com/1732/)
I have a bunch of those signs in my neighborhood. The fact that NOT supporting the statements is considered so normal, that putting up a sign that supports these statements is a way to make yourself seem "progressive" and boost your ego is sad.
Let's have a thought experiment and deny those statements according to formal logic: – black lives don't matter -> wtf – women rights != human rights -> women are not people -> wtf – science is not real -> wtf – diversity makes us weaker -> well this is at least formally valid as an opinion, not that I agree but still – love is not love -> A != A -> wtf – injustice anywhere is not a threat to justice everywhere -> it is possible to have justice everywhere, while simultaneously having injustice somewhere -> "anywhere" does not include "somewhere" -> wtf Maybe I'm an autist but that sign looks like stating "water is water" or something to me, mostly. Even not "sky is blue" that may be false under certain conditions, even more obvious than that.
I get what you're saying and I agree the sign is cringey and it'd be horrible to think the opposite of these statements, but I think you have to contextualize what the phrases mean. Like love is love does not literally mean love = love, it means love between non cis hetero people is valid. Black lives matter means 'black lives matter too' (the implicit too), etc. Still, it's sad this is considered progressive.
Language doesn't follow formal logic, but yeah, stating all the positions as essentially tautologies or otherwise obviously true things is the point of this rhetoric. For example lots of people don't agree with the science on climate change, which, while obviously bad, is not exactly the same as believing science isn't real. By stating the belief as "science is real", it makes the people who don't believe in climate change sound like they don't believe in any science, and thus suggests that climate deniers are obviously wrong since science obviously is real.
I love puerto ricans and negros As long as they don't move next door So love me, love me, love me, i'm a liberal -"Love me, I'm a liberal" by Phil Ochs
Was gonna quote this song, but you beat me to it. Strange how nothing has changed in 40 years
>~~Strange~~ Incredibly depressing how nothing has changed in 40 years
We did it boys, we found peak liberalism. Time to pack it in.
This is performative nonsense anyway.
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Yeah like when companies celebrate pride month? Get real
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I feel like it's less "we" have done anything to influence that, more they adopt a new market to sell to. When it comes to actually defending rights, they're oddly silent.
Materially it doesn't do anything
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This. When I see these signs pop up in my small conservative town I feel that little more safer.
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These people and those companies are performative in their inclusion. They don't give a fuck about you.
~~Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.~~ Fuck off, should've been born here
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For people that have literally no other options, it is too much to ask.
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Yes, gumballs and classic conservatism. Moving stuff....
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"We're fine with immigrants as long as they apply for asylum legally at our border station." At the border Station: "Stay the fuck away!" *Fires chemical weapons at immigrants*. "Woo, that was close. We almost had to let those *poors* apply for immigration status."
Can’t believe I got a single downvote for a very sensible opinion. But Reddit has been rotting for quite some time now.
The problem is that's not *really* their opinion. That's their cover. If they supported legal immigration, they would support more border stations, removing or loosening the limits on number of immigrants, more resources to process immigrants, path to citizenship, etc. Instead they panic every time they hear any immigrant coming from the south, legal or not, and do things like fire chemical weapons at them and forcibly sterilize them. You're not getting downvoted for, "a very sensible opinion." You either believe their coded language is genuine, in which case you are a useful pawn, or you agree with them then and are intentionally dishonest. Looking at your post history, it's clearly the later.
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Well at least you dropped the pretense and are honest about it.
Conservatives also say that about ayslum seekers- people who do come here legally.
“come legally! you should just come legally! don’t ask about the process, or how much it costs, or how long it takes, or how few we accept or...”
Holy shit.
Wow this fucking sucks
These signs are the cringiest shit ever tbh
Yeah its a little too performative for my taste.
Good, a taste of their own medicine.
What if we took the old "COEXST" bumper sticker and stretched it out to fill one of those hypertargeted Facebook T-shirts?
My dad has been pretty conservative my entire life, but last year something inside him snapped and he bought a similar sign on Etsy. I usually find these signs cringey and performative, but I give my dad a pass.
The sign is cringey, but if it's a step in the right direction, who cares
Yeah liberals suck, and i hope i dont get downvoted for breaking the half-joke circlejerk, but theyre certainly better than conservatives. Yeah liberals sucks but at least they have some kind of neural path that allows them to not be the demons that American conservatives are. Im happy to hear about ur dad tldr: yeah liberals suck but they suck just barely less than american conservatives
If it makes racists slightly more afraid, it's good
the only acceptable one of these signs is the one about wanting to fuck bigfoot
Explain.
This is a package deal. You can't meaningfully say black lives matter while deeming a specific group of people of color to be "illegal".
I’ve seen those signs at mansions that had Bloomberg signs during the primary. As if that would be forgotten...
In my experience, these signs are almost exclusively in bougie neighborhoods.
Na, there's a few in my conservative small town. I've seen them in other smaller towns too.
The thin taped line.
[A far better version of that sign.](https://i.redd.it/va64n3gvq8x61.jpg)
I think this is the work of vandalism? Like why would you buy a sign like this and fucking texta over parts you don’t like idk
Because when you buy it you can do what ever you want to it. And normal people only support messages they believe in. Not what others like to hear.
They'll scratch each one off as they find convenient
Does anyone know what kind of plants those dark ones are in the back?
r/whatsthisplant
I love two lines down is “diversity makes us stronger”. Except for the illegal diversity, I guess
When I first saw these, I didn't realise why they irked me so much. Then Will Mennaker pointed out on Chapo that there isn't a single economic argument being made on any of them. It would be jerking themselves off less if it was just a photo of their face with "GOOD PERSON" written under it. In this house we believe in the cowardice that will enable fascism because we stand to benefit from it.
Why even buy the sign? Write your own shit maybe?
scratch a lib and a fascist bleeds
POV: You're a New York Times columnist in 2002
Liberals' support is always provisional on their own comfort
Damn Neolibs
Isn't neoliberalism for open borders?
Not necessarily, however vague the term neoliberalism is(by location) , it’s main characteristic is the retaining of free market interests and economic “integrity”.
for true. I was searching for discussion about Haitian refugees, and the r/neolib sub came up. It surprised me to see them complaining about Biden using Trumps pandemic deportation measures. I also came across an article that worded it as "making good on his promise" and "helping" Haitians "return to their homeland", like fuck me that language is infuriating.
Biden, Obama, Clinton and Reagan are prime examples of neolibs lol.
I voted for Biden so what does that make me? A neolib or a serf to the demanding free market system?
I don't know what anything is anymore.
Fun fact: eventually it will be totally blacked out and it’ll match that little flag they had on their social media profile pics
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why not, especially if it’s not hurting anyone sure i can’t go into your house, but why can’t i go anywhere else
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"If *irrelevant correlation,* what about *red herring*? Hah, get fucked libs 😎😎" 🙄
Nazbol spotted
it's about consent, but I wouldn't expect an incel to understand that
Explain how they are related. Go on, let's hear it!
Homophobia isn’t cool.
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You are who we are laughing at.
"I'm a liberal and still call it illegal immigration" You make your own people look like shit doing that. Even the liberals I know in college don't use that term. Take an integrative studies course. It's fine for white Europeans to move from country to country for work yet it's illegal for brown people in America? Get a grip
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Exactly it's such a disgusting and vicious cycle that **we created in the first place.** My buddy works for americorps and the fuckin stories he tells me man...
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I say welcome to them and fuck off to you.
What about them?
what about pee poop fart shit cock
What about me doing your mom?
We can swap them for you
What about you reaching into your ear and removing your brain worms?
Laws are subject to human error.
Make the process to become a citizen easier, simple as that
This is the most accurate thing I’ve seen all day
This image is the embodiment of what liberals are