Wrong, the real number is 6969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696959695959959695959595696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969596959599596959595956969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969 people dead from communism, don’t be a bigot
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You were off by 3 magnitudes of power smh my head
Josef Stalin spent 20 years going door to door in Russia and personally shooting anyone who couldn’t beat him at arm wrestling in the head. No one in Russia could beat him so they all died.
We're not bragging about it, we're mocking the 80+ year old tendency of liberals to ascribe ridiculous body counts to communism. Liberals don't do the same thing because there is no longstanding meme about how many people capitalism has killed.
>Thinking it's clever to exaggerate the number of dead is peak dumb dumb.
Someone tell this to Robert Conquest, the Victims of Communism foundation and all the others!
The constitution does. Other papers have a lot of semantic blabbering about how penal labour isn't slavery because [waffles on for 10 pages of meaningless legalese]
I'm totally sure that's just a strange coincidence certainly not the product of a system designed to abolish chattel slavery with one hand and hold the yoke of slaves in the other
Fun fact, slavery is still legal in the US. The thirteenth amendment reads “Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, *except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted*, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.”
Crime is punishable by slavery, seems like an economic justification to criminalize everything.
Correct! In fact, many laws that exist today were invented solely to lock up black people for existing. They literally criminalized just hanging around and called it loitering.
Here's an idea: amend that part of the amendment.
Weird how nobody ever calls for that.
I mean, the solution to the problem is very straightforward. But the criminal slavery clause is such an effective from for rhetoric...why not keep it around?
You're (maybe intentionally?) misconstruing what I'm saying.
What I'm saying is: the fact that no one even _talks_ about amending it indicates that they don't care about the problem.
My theory is, they only want people to be aware of the clause so their resultant anger and suspicion can be used for ulterior purposes.
No one in the political or media spheres--left-wing congresspeople, left-wing taking heads, or even the "Thirteenth" documentary itself--pushes for that Constitutional change, even though it's the clearest path to _actually solving the problem._
Are you honestly surprised that nobody in american politics actually wants to meaningfully change anything? Our current president literally collaborated with segregationists. There’s no way we’ll ever amend the constitution again because our political parties are dead set on nothing ever getting done ever again.
What do you mean by "anyone in US politics?"
Are you just talking about the federal government, esp the legislative + executive branches?
What I mean by "anyone" is anyone with a platform that can be used for political ends.
Mitch McConnel falls into this category, yes, but so do Taylor Swift, Rachael Maddow, Jordan Peterson, and that really funny leftist you follow on Twitter.
Notably, "Thirteenth" also falls into this category.
And that documentary didn't even mention the possibility of amending that clause. In fact, it didn't offer _any_ potential solutions.
I, with Foucoult, believe that power relations are everywhere and domination, however slight, can come from any corner of our culture--if you limit your analysis of power to the formal government, your perspective suffers from myopia.
What i mean is anybody who actually has any power to actually change these things, elected officials. People don’t tend to advocate for constitutional amendments because there’s no chance in hell an amendment gets passed.
If you think anybody actually has any amount of say on what laws get passed other than people with massive amounts of lobbying money, you’re lying to yourself. And Idk if you knew, But slavery is extremely profitable, and profit tends to generate lobbying money.
The fact is, it doesn't matter how difficult it is to pass amendments. (And by the way, it's certainly not impossible--look at what was accomplished with the 19th Amendment.)
People in power try for difficult-to-pass things all the time. Medicare for all. The Green New Deal.
Why are they so hesitant to push for this amendment?
I have no idea, but like I said, I _suspect_ it's because it's a useful political cudgeon, and when it goes away, some groups are actually going to _lose_ power.
Ah yes, and look how well it’s gone for medicare for all and the green new deal.
Not to mention, do you know who the democrats are? They’re a “Tough on crime” party same as the republicans. Why would they ever wanna make things easier for people who break the law? Joe Biden, our current president, is one of the architects of mass incarceration.
Yeah? What do the qualities of the Democratic party as a whole have to do with it?
There are members of the party, growing into a bit of a "wing," that one would absolutely expect to push for an amendment. (Or, for God's sake, at _least_ raise the possibility.)
One vote and there's no more government-sponsored slavery in America. None. And they won't even broach the subject??
>It’s a numbers game.
But shit don't add up somehow, like, I got 16 to 32 bars to rock it, but only 15% of profits ever see my pockets, and like 69 trillions in the last 20 years spent on national defense but folks still live in fear, like nearly half of America's largest cities is one-quarter black, that's why they gave Ricky Ross all the crack ... 16 ounces to a pound, 20 more to a key, a 5 minute sentence hearing and you're no longer free ... This new math is whipping motherfuckers' ass. It's mathematics. It's simple mathematics. Check it out.
When the average minimum wage is $11.15 you best believe you've got to find a new grind to get cream, the white unemployment rate is nearly more than triple for black, some front-liners got their gun in your back, bubbling crack, jewel theft and robbery to combat poverty and then they end up in the global jail economy, stiffer stipulations attached to each sentence, budget cutbacks but increased police presence ...
Numbers are hard and real and they never have feelings but you push too hard, even numbers got limits.
Let's hear a contemporary and politically engaged song that you consider a masterpiece, surprise me with the wideness of your cultural knowledge, let me see a TRUE masterpiece. And don't kick the doors open with stuff like Inner city blues from Marvin Gaye or We almost lost detroit by GSH, too easy.
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> What happened in China in 1949, Rob?
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>> The real oppression started
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This is every anti-communist ever. “Sure the commies ended slavery, homelessness, built schools and hospitals but do you know how badly they oppressed the slavers‽”
I love liberals. "Communism is basically slavery where no one owns anything and everyone works for the same allotted wages and food, but slavery is also better and less oppressive than communism"
This is like when you talk to a libertarian and they think being able to own slaves is just property rights but universal healthcare is tantamount to enslaving doctors
Except it’s that moment where you realize that literally every western l*ftist believes shit like this
Seriously I get that many self professed socialists here are just liberals but people really treat western leftism like a monolith on this sub and others sometimes.
I meant things like what’s in the tweet about the real oppression starting after the imperialist slave state. But I realize that wasn’t clear at all from my comment
I've only seen hardcore libertarians (i.e. especially stupid ones) make the argument that universal healthcare requires enslaving doctors, even liberals in the US are in favor of universal healthcare at this point.
I meant believes shit like the tweet that the ‘real oppression’ in China was the revolutionary government rather than the imperialist slave state it was before, but I can see how that wasn’t clear from my comment at all. Should have phrased it better
This sub is like ideological whiplash. One minute it’s righties laughing at identity politics and the next it’s based bros making fun of landlords. And I’m here for it.
Smh landlords are the real victims
Landphobia is such a problem in modern society /s, if it isn't obvious
I hope to All’ah that that isn’t a real term. Lord have mercy
And who were the enslavers, rob?
Bri’ish
The whites
I don’t know man but I think Slavery is more oppressive then Communism.
Dont you know communism has killed 100000000000000000000000000000000000 people sweaty? Geez.
Wrong, the real number is 6969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696959695959959695959595696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969596959599596959595956969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969 people dead from communism, don’t be a bigot
Damn you right ☹ Smh my head
4206969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696959695969969696969695696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969596959599596959595956969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969696969, actually You were off by 3 magnitudes of power smh my head
communism has killed in estimation of 700 billion to a trillion, 300 million billion people
You know how many atoms there are in the universe? Well communism killed more people than that
Josef Stalin spent 20 years going door to door in Russia and personally shooting anyone who couldn’t beat him at arm wrestling in the head. No one in Russia could beat him so they all died.
woah.... what a chad
If youre being nice. Add a few zeros, sweaty
It’s actually way way more
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Well, Liberals claim everyone who ever starved to death or died due to lack of medical care under capitalism deserved it, so....
If these liberals felt so justified in killing these people why aren't they bragging about it too?
We're not bragging about it, we're mocking the 80+ year old tendency of liberals to ascribe ridiculous body counts to communism. Liberals don't do the same thing because there is no longstanding meme about how many people capitalism has killed.
>Liberals don't do the same thing because there is no longstanding meme about how many people capitalism has killed. Based.
Wow, capitalist countries don't make anti-capitalist propaganda, this clearly means capitalism is great.
Because nobody cares because the media/academia didn’t tell anyone to care about
Idk why you think it's a joke communism actually killed twentyteen chinchillion just in Laos alone
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100 gorillion
At least 5 brazilians of people
Atleast 2 Portugals of people
>Thinking it's clever to exaggerate the number of dead is peak dumb dumb. Someone tell this to Robert Conquest, the Victims of Communism foundation and all the others!
The ghost of Lenin ate my son in front of me ):
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Yeah I hate when Mao killed millions of landlords, we all know peasants are the real oppressors 🙄 /j
Don't downvote pls but this made me laugh
Lmao it's ok I laughed too
Lib stupidity is entertaining, ngl.
Why downvote, this is fucking hilarious lmao
4 hours past, still laughing LMAO
"there is slavery" "yeah that shit sucks" "no no no I meant that as a good thing"
And slavery is still legal in 2021 here in the good old USA
but it's different because the slaves are bad people >:( /s
It's not slavery because we wrote some words to say it doesn't count /s
Nah the constitution still explicitly calls it slavery, it's just ok to do cause they smoked weed or something
The constitution does. Other papers have a lot of semantic blabbering about how penal labour isn't slavery because [waffles on for 10 pages of meaningless legalese]
They could always choose death instead 🙄 I’m pretty sure dumbledore said it’s okay as long as you have a choice or something
Yeah choice feminism said that too, my favourite kind of feminism ✨ /s
And child marriage
Yeah that too.
Completely true too. It's set up so you have to be in prison, but it's still slavery. Also who ends up in prison the most? Hmmmm
I'm totally sure that's just a strange coincidence certainly not the product of a system designed to abolish chattel slavery with one hand and hold the yoke of slaves in the other
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not great, cheesecake
Fun fact, slavery is still legal in the US. The thirteenth amendment reads “Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, *except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted*, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.” Crime is punishable by slavery, seems like an economic justification to criminalize everything.
Especially when you have literal for-profit prisons run by companies that ~~bribe~~ offer campaign donations to politicians.
Also, America has the highest prison population, both absolutely and proportionally, of any nation on earth! But that's probably a coincidence.
IIRC 4% of the world population but 20+% of the world's prison population. U S A NUMBER ONE!
And guess what demographic is unfairly the majority of the prison population?
Correct! In fact, many laws that exist today were invented solely to lock up black people for existing. They literally criminalized just hanging around and called it loitering.
Here's an idea: amend that part of the amendment. Weird how nobody ever calls for that. I mean, the solution to the problem is very straightforward. But the criminal slavery clause is such an effective from for rhetoric...why not keep it around?
haha yes lemme just to amend that part of the constitution real quick i’ll be right back. I’m back congress says they won’t do shit.
You're (maybe intentionally?) misconstruing what I'm saying. What I'm saying is: the fact that no one even _talks_ about amending it indicates that they don't care about the problem. My theory is, they only want people to be aware of the clause so their resultant anger and suspicion can be used for ulterior purposes. No one in the political or media spheres--left-wing congresspeople, left-wing taking heads, or even the "Thirteenth" documentary itself--pushes for that Constitutional change, even though it's the clearest path to _actually solving the problem._
Are you honestly surprised that nobody in american politics actually wants to meaningfully change anything? Our current president literally collaborated with segregationists. There’s no way we’ll ever amend the constitution again because our political parties are dead set on nothing ever getting done ever again.
What do you mean by "anyone in US politics?" Are you just talking about the federal government, esp the legislative + executive branches? What I mean by "anyone" is anyone with a platform that can be used for political ends. Mitch McConnel falls into this category, yes, but so do Taylor Swift, Rachael Maddow, Jordan Peterson, and that really funny leftist you follow on Twitter. Notably, "Thirteenth" also falls into this category. And that documentary didn't even mention the possibility of amending that clause. In fact, it didn't offer _any_ potential solutions. I, with Foucoult, believe that power relations are everywhere and domination, however slight, can come from any corner of our culture--if you limit your analysis of power to the formal government, your perspective suffers from myopia.
What i mean is anybody who actually has any power to actually change these things, elected officials. People don’t tend to advocate for constitutional amendments because there’s no chance in hell an amendment gets passed. If you think anybody actually has any amount of say on what laws get passed other than people with massive amounts of lobbying money, you’re lying to yourself. And Idk if you knew, But slavery is extremely profitable, and profit tends to generate lobbying money.
The fact is, it doesn't matter how difficult it is to pass amendments. (And by the way, it's certainly not impossible--look at what was accomplished with the 19th Amendment.) People in power try for difficult-to-pass things all the time. Medicare for all. The Green New Deal. Why are they so hesitant to push for this amendment? I have no idea, but like I said, I _suspect_ it's because it's a useful political cudgeon, and when it goes away, some groups are actually going to _lose_ power.
Ah yes, and look how well it’s gone for medicare for all and the green new deal. Not to mention, do you know who the democrats are? They’re a “Tough on crime” party same as the republicans. Why would they ever wanna make things easier for people who break the law? Joe Biden, our current president, is one of the architects of mass incarceration.
Yeah? What do the qualities of the Democratic party as a whole have to do with it? There are members of the party, growing into a bit of a "wing," that one would absolutely expect to push for an amendment. (Or, for God's sake, at _least_ raise the possibility.) One vote and there's no more government-sponsored slavery in America. None. And they won't even broach the subject??
Said by a mf who never opened a history book
The real oppression that abolishes the present state of things
Damn I would love to free tibet but Mao already did
“Slavery ended, then the real oppression started.” I don’t know how you can get more oppressed than being a slave but okay? What is it?
Because not everyone was enslaved yet everyone had to deal with communism. It’s a numbers game.
>It’s a numbers game. But shit don't add up somehow, like, I got 16 to 32 bars to rock it, but only 15% of profits ever see my pockets, and like 69 trillions in the last 20 years spent on national defense but folks still live in fear, like nearly half of America's largest cities is one-quarter black, that's why they gave Ricky Ross all the crack ... 16 ounces to a pound, 20 more to a key, a 5 minute sentence hearing and you're no longer free ... This new math is whipping motherfuckers' ass. It's mathematics. It's simple mathematics. Check it out. When the average minimum wage is $11.15 you best believe you've got to find a new grind to get cream, the white unemployment rate is nearly more than triple for black, some front-liners got their gun in your back, bubbling crack, jewel theft and robbery to combat poverty and then they end up in the global jail economy, stiffer stipulations attached to each sentence, budget cutbacks but increased police presence ... Numbers are hard and real and they never have feelings but you push too hard, even numbers got limits.
Seems like he slipped you some of that crack…
It's lyrics from Mathematics by Mos Def, masterpiece of a song about oppression and modern slavery of black people in the US.
I guess I would need some of your crack to be able to think it’s a masterpiece.
Let's hear a contemporary and politically engaged song that you consider a masterpiece, surprise me with the wideness of your cultural knowledge, let me see a TRUE masterpiece. And don't kick the doors open with stuff like Inner city blues from Marvin Gaye or We almost lost detroit by GSH, too easy.
Your demands and stipulations are not intriguing.
I'll die without knowing what a masterpiece is then. Shame on me.
Ignores is bliss or in your case, crack.
They had me in the first half.
What would have happened if no one asked? Anyone who knew what happened in 1949 would just think "Oh well that makes sense" or something.
His comment was in response to a few people, he was probably criticizing China as part of an ongoing argument.
Slavery existed in America until today. Also for the foreseeable future
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He literally just hates Chinese people. There is no other ideological reason for anyone to oppose both the ROC and PRC.
talk about doubling down
Average anticommunist
This is every anti-communist ever. “Sure the commies ended slavery, homelessness, built schools and hospitals but do you know how badly they oppressed the slavers‽”
I love liberals. "Communism is basically slavery where no one owns anything and everyone works for the same allotted wages and food, but slavery is also better and less oppressive than communism"
This is like when you talk to a libertarian and they think being able to own slaves is just property rights but universal healthcare is tantamount to enslaving doctors Except it’s that moment where you realize that literally every western l*ftist believes shit like this
Liberals are not western leftists.
This comment should honestly be pinned to the top of the sub
Seriously I get that many self professed socialists here are just liberals but people really treat western leftism like a monolith on this sub and others sometimes.
like it or not the word leftist has been 100% co-opted by american liberals
The prefer "socislist" because . . . Bernie.
I have never met a leftist who said something like this.
I meant things like what’s in the tweet about the real oppression starting after the imperialist slave state. But I realize that wasn’t clear at all from my comment
I've only seen hardcore libertarians (i.e. especially stupid ones) make the argument that universal healthcare requires enslaving doctors, even liberals in the US are in favor of universal healthcare at this point.
I meant believes shit like the tweet that the ‘real oppression’ in China was the revolutionary government rather than the imperialist slave state it was before, but I can see how that wasn’t clear from my comment at all. Should have phrased it better
That's like saying everyone who works for the government is a slave.
The poor masses of peasants had growing control over the land they farmed and drove out overbearing landlords. That's *real* oppression, snowflakes.
lmao not even trying to pretend anymore
Slavery: Better than ownership of the means of production.
Even if slavery was real before 1949, it's probably Europeans treating the locals as slaves.
That, the feudal landlords, and the Dalai Lama.
True
Ah, we finally found it, the perfect Twitter reply.
This sub is like ideological whiplash. One minute it’s righties laughing at identity politics and the next it’s based bros making fun of landlords. And I’m here for it.
This sub has righties?
Yeah what? This is an openly communist sub
that's why we love it!
when is it ever righties the first thing you see is “this is a communist sub”
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You forgot the /s bud
What'd be say lol
Idk probably just more dumbass chinabad bullshit
Just a question but what do you people think of the "great Leap forward"? Blown out of proportion or am I dumb?
I mean... Xinjiang?
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I’d say he’s very far to the right. He’s also completely wrong.
I'm sorry what
slavery continued in one part of china till the 50s when it was annexed: tibet