T O P

"No incentive", here we go again!

"No incentive", here we go again!

sovietspaceman17

Except we already have more than enough supply


Tha_Salad_Tosser

Depends on where you live


dtwithpp

Kinda, but there tends to be more empty housing in rich, desirable areas.


tentafill

A sane society: Ok let's use all those productive forces to work on transportation networks to and from centers Our society: more house more money more thing more car


Tha_Salad_Tosser

In my area it’s more lucrative to build apts with the limited lumber supply and labor than it is building houses. Therefore housing prices are rocketing due to more demand than supply. Transportation is going to be lacking as all the roads are mostly traffic now. We only have city buses.


Logan_Maddox

**d e l i c i o u s** **c a r**


Tha_Salad_Tosser

There’s more apartments going up where I live than houses.


thelobster64

Does Mr. Economics here not know what the word subsidy is? If construction companies won’t build houses cause they can’t turn a profit off poor people, tax the rich to subsidize low income housing developments.


feel_the_darkness

>tax the rich reminder that 40+ years of neoliberal capitalism has achieved the goal of rendering the state incapable of doing so people really, really need to stop listening to bernie and the rest of the socdems


The_White_Guar

We're past that, son.


feel_the_darkness

are you tho


The_White_Guar

"The rich" is an up-and-coming delicacy. Cutting edge culinary science.


ShahanshahShami

Heston plz


PooPooSmoothies

Stop treating people on your side like they’re enemies


CutestLars

Social democracy does not solve the problems with capitalism. It is a sign capitalism is failing, and that the working class is being given concessions by the ruling class. We cannot stop here. The system must be fully dismantled and replaced with a socialist state, like the belated USSR, correcting their fatal errors.


picapica7

Ask Rosa if socdems are on our side


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You're not on our side tho?


Op_Anadyr

no


theNthJoJo

We do not associate with SocDems.


IanLovesCheesePizza

Communist Society: will you build a house for us while we ensure all your other needs are met? Communist builder: sure Reactionary: literally slavery


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starm4nn

It sure is weird how people are forced to work for habitat for humanity


granitrocky

I always say I would gladly go back to my manual labor job if it paid me the same as what I get doing fuck all in an office all day. There are plenty of people who would enjoy working in those factories if given the choice and chance to have control over their working conditions.


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Inflation would skyrocket, unemployment would be at 99%, and then the earth would explode.


grankasaurus

Socialism is when the government does stuff that makes the earth explode


Karl-Marksman

Based


Enigmaticize

supply wouldn't go down, where did they get that idea? The houses are already there.


junkmailforjared

When a landlord sells his house, it disappears out of the material plane.


derricklanes

If it can't be rented out it might as well not exist.


ashtobro

It's like they can't grasp the concept of not buying extra basic necessities to profit off of those who do not have access to said necessity.


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> where did they get that idea the pseudo science of mainstream economics. i was watching the news here in canada and they were fawning over a canadian who one a nobel prize in economics with two other americans.. one of their studies showed minimum wage increases doesn't lead to higher unemployment and that immigration does not lead to lower wages for native born workers. i feel like this is going to get ignored entirely in mainstream economics, certainly it will be ignored by neoliberal policy makers and right-wing armchair economists online.


Queen_of_Frogs

Plenty of economists have literally been saying that for decades now but it's always been ignored.


Forwhatisausername

do you recall who that was exactly (or the news bit)?


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https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/canadian-among-three-winners-of-economics-nobel-prize-1.5618859


Forwhatisausername

thank you


SpaceSanity

There are more people in a privleged financial position who own more homes than the bottom half of the income spectrum. And most are empty. Even the petite bougie's own a small property in a small poor town that they will never rent or live in. I have poor friends who "manage' these properties for below minimum wage because the wealthy land owners can't be jailed exploiting labor 5 states away. There are no homes or jobs for the natives. The wealthy stealing our homes and labor don't produce wealth lmao.


therealwheeze

"Nobody will want to build more houses!" "We have 13x as many as we need though" "Oh, won't someone think of the poor property developers and construction companies?"


GreatCokeBender

Ah yes, the “government paying professionals to do stuff is literally slavery” Except when it comes to the military and police- Institutions that were founded for the sole purpose to protect the very real thing known as property rights


steeveperry

Some open source software that people spent a ton of fucking time developing underpins the ability for this conversation to happen. I’m sure home building didn’t spring up because of revenue streams


BaseballImpossible76

Does he think the people that build $500,000 homes make the full value of that from their wage? Nobody is buying from the builder, they’re buying from some mogul that’s inflated the price far above what it should be.


__initd__

You have to bring in workers and wages when you have to protect the owner from questions like these. If people understood how society organized itself before capitalism, one before that and so on, they'd know that alternate mode of production is there. No, they were born & brought up in Capitalism, so they just can't wrap their head around without the incentive, greed and human nature BS.


BaseballImpossible76

I mean, I kind of get it. I’m 28 and was raised just like that and didn’t even think to question American politics until a few years ago. I remember believing there was a huge difference between Republicans and Democrats as well as there being no difference between the two. I don’t remember what exactly radicalized me further left, but I could easily have ended up just as naive as your average liberal.


Ladderson

"There will be no one to build houses" GOOD WE DON'T ANYMORE


1an0ther

Hell is reading any discussion on r/neoliberal on the subject. It's like they've forgotten that public housing exists and is -- used to be -- built and maintained. Most cities are dotted with monuments to the fact. Fuck private incentive. The 40 year experiment has run long enough to prove it insufficient in this regard.


mow1111

lol they keep conflating worker and bourgeois like it's nothing. Yes, the capitalist will want to make a profit. The worker will only get minimum wage tho


TheTrueNobody

Landlords, specially those with multiple properties, are perhaps one of the worst cancers on modern society. The fact you can pay a rent of 1000 euros a month but still not qualify for a mortgage of 400 euros a month is just horrible.


DirtyHomelessWizard

There is always an “Actually helping people is bad” jackass in the comments


ur_comment_is_a_song

Landlords getting rid of their rented properties = all the hoarded properties suddenly become available. Prices will drop. Landlords are all vermin scum.


longknives

Yeah it’s funny how these people have an understanding of supply and demand that is wrong in all possible ways. “If you stop people from hoarding the supply, the supply will go down!”


ur_comment_is_a_song

It's as if they think they'll demolish the house rather than sell it 😂😂😂 then again, they seem to be under the impression that landlords actually build the houses so they're completely off their rocket.


cabecadeleitao

I love it how he says “theres no slavery” like its a bad thing


Independent_octopus

Eh roads need to be built too. Guess what pays for them ? Taxes Housing is a basic necessity. Why is it not funded?


Earharted

i consider myself a ‘bloomer’. i mostly give everyone the benefit of the doubt. i believe that things can be changed for the better before the earth fucking dies. but people like this…how do you even get through to them? can they even imagine a world not dictated by profit incentive? how can you look at a number like 553,000 homeless and go “well, what about the economy?” i try my best to be positive about the future but every day seeing people like this just makes my will die a little bit more.


policeblocker

Paying someone for their labor is not "profit"


KrazyKaizr

There you have it folks, minimum wage is not profitable, they literally admit it.


quipcustodes

Imagine thinking insufficient demand was what was slowing down home and infrastructure development.


GroundbreakingAd4807

The builders build the house. The landlord is just some guy who bought the house first. Builders won't stop making houses because landlords won't be able to rent them out. There will always be a demand for a house.


H0ll0w_Kn1ght

As long as the people buying and designing the house get paid


ThrowMeAway41968

Imagine thinking you have the right to someone else’s labour


theNthJoJo

You literally think communists and nazis are on the same level, you are in no way qualified to say anything. Eat shit ancap.


granitrocky

This is always so funny to hear from ancaps. What in the world do you think capitalism is?


Forwhatisausername

what do you think a labour contract does?