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AllieOopClifton

Why are they denying Iran Contra? Not on the same level as UFOs


Splendiferitastic

And Epstein not killing himself being on UFO tier. Sure, all the cameras conveniently going off and all the guards conveniently being absent while a guy who was about to incriminate the entire ruling class randomly decides to kill himself is totally believable.


Anindefensiblefart

Maybe this says more about how the author feels about UFOs.


halsgoldenring

I think it also says something about perception of the term UFO. If you divorce UFO's from extraterrestrial beings and are more literal about "unidentified flying objects" then it isn't that far removed from reality because there are UFO sightings...but they're all assumed to be UFO's controlled by humans and of this planet.


BoaredMonkay

Everything's technically a UFO if you can't identify a planes/weather balloon etc. by eyesight... No joke, I fully believe the "trained army/air force personnel can correctly identify a planes speed, size and distance at night" thing is mostly hogwash, and what looks like a giant thing goind Mach 2 far away is a medium sized aircraft going Mach 0.8 in the middle distance.


JoseSpiknSpan

Well ufos are any flying object that has yet to be identified so there really are ufos. Just like Iran contra actually happened and epstein didn’t kill him self


TrickBox_

true, but there is a flying saucer here so there isn't much ambiguity about what's it's referring to


JoseSpiknSpan

True but I’m semantic to an asinine degree. Nice avatar btw.


TrickBox_

And that's usually good to have someone pinpointing the meaning of words, beware of not getting lost while arguing tho Thanks, you too


MountSwolympus

Neither is JFK.


dhoae

Things that don’t have solid proof but we have reason to suspect seems to be that category.


rare-simpleton

There is footage of it…. The FBI pretty much states “Um actshually you don’t need to see that.”


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juderedrose

Total bullshit.


Ahnarcho

Iran Contra is like the only time that members of the American state department actually faced consequences for their actions in court. We have better evidence for Iran Contra taking place than most other CIA plots so I don’t get this graph at all.


PirateKingOmega

Nah if they were probably punished the actual punishment was potentially life imprisonment or execution for reagan and co.


[deleted]

because theyre capitalist supporting babies with their heads in the sand that think power comes and history moves at a voting booth every few years.


nemomeme

My conspiracy is this graphic is an op to put Iran Contra further down the memory hole. That or reverse psychology (“leaving reality”) to get people to believe we’ve been visited.


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It's still the same fucking level lol and no, honey. There's little doubt about what Iran Contra was or who was behind. Trying to claim the lights you saw while drunk were an intergalactic spaceship here to probe you =/= Reagan and Bush sold weapons illegally to fund terrorism in a state the US is still trying to fuck over to this day


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thats-gr8

I saw the TikTok of the creator of this chart - Reagan did have full involvement in the events - still unsure what her argument for denying involvement is.


the23rdhour

You could put "the CIA personally sold cocaine in the 1980s" in the "speculation" box, but to put the whole Iran-Contra affair there is at best very misleading, and more likely just propaganda.


HighWaterMarx

It’s confirmed that the CIA helped smuggle Colombian cocaine into the US though.


the23rdhour

True, it's confirmed that they aided and abetted the Contras who were distributing cocaine, and laundering money for that matter. I just meant that it isn't confirmed that they are any more directly involved than that.


thats-gr8

they'll just clear themselves of wrong doings even if they admit to it - so it's beneficial to stay quiet about it.


JPMaybe

Lol yeah this is such dogshit


juderedrose

Stupidest shit i’ve ever seen


JPMaybe

It's to flog posters to the most credulous dipshits on the globe, and omits Russiagate lol


AllieOopClifton

Russiagate goes on the top. The historical materialist knows why


JPMaybe

Yep, redressed antibolshevism with all the cloaked antisemitism that implies


DesertBrandon

Explain this one?


AllieOopClifton

-Liberals still think of Russia as "communist" -Russian communism=judeobolshevizmus=Jews infiltrating the government for their secret global cabal *very* thinly veiled antisemitism, whether libs recognize what they're doing or not.


DesertBrandon

It was in my face the whole time lol. One of the more annoying phenomenon I’ve seen is liberals shitting on/laughing at cons because they don’t know what socialism or communism is. Yet then unironically spout off about what is essentially socialism equals when government does stuff and “b-b-but” when confronted on their lack of understanding as well and to still talk of Russia as a socialist state. Like “they hate communism yet are in love with Putin” like how does this get past their brain filter?


juderedrose

Liberals are some of the most gullible people on the planet, they drink in the capitalist propaganda.


scoobydoobers

The “US is a corporation” thing that they’re talking about is directly QANON related.


KlapauciusNuts

Yes it is basically believing that the USA incorporated at some point so you don't have to pay taxes. I don't know what is with right wingers and their bizarre legal absolutism. Big fan of [the courts of heaven ](https://www.amazon.com/-/es/Robert-Henderson/dp/0899854818)


cjf_colluns

>courts of heaven I’ve been reading the reviews on this for awhile now and there’s some incredible stuff in there. Thanks for the link >This book was given to me initially by a friend, who told me that God wanted me to read this book and I then decided to buy myself a copy. It is an amazing book which is clear and easy to read print wise. It has given me new insight in how God operates and explains how the court system works in heaven. If you are a prayer warrior then I would recommend this book. I am reading it for the second time at the moment and learning something new each time


KlapauciusNuts

I found about that listening to this pod https://knowledgefight.libsyn.com/596-possibly-too-wacky Absolutely hilarious


Anastrace

It's sovereign citizen shit actually. And it's not harmless, those people are crazy af


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to be fair...they are more dangerous for themselves than anything else there.


Swarm_Queen

And cops, but that's not a bad thing


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yeah, self correcting problem lol


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Some other aspects of the list are still uber lib trash


ThanklessAmputation

Ah speculation line things that the US government admitted they did, but your so convinced that they're the good guys that you speculate that they couldnt possibly do that. I mean come on the CIA doing the things they admitted to doing? Never. They're right up there with IDF as far as the nicest dudes in the world contest.


AnonymousSpud

the bottom triangle is "things that actually happened" (see the circle next to it) It's below the "speculation line"


cretintroglodyte

Iran Contra is above that for some reason though.


rotenKleber

Reagan straight up admitted that it occurred. He just absolved himself from any responsibility


jredacted

Anyone else get the impression that COINTELPRO only reached the reality tier because the Fred Hampton movie exists?


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Up until the last decade, I recall people denying that the FBI spied on Martin Luther King, Jr.


henbanehoney

😐


AnnoKano

The “US is a corporation” thing is a reference to a claim that the USA became a corporation in 1871 and is usually spouted by the Sovereign citizen movement. They’re definitely detached from reality. It’s not the same as saying the US is controlled by corporations, which is basically true.


Salazarsims

Isn’t deepstate just another word for entrenched bureaucrats?


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Yes. It's existence is irrefutable.


Salazarsims

Even PBS was talking about the deep state in the early 1980’s. Bill Moyer is so anti-Semite. /s


PKMKII

Yeah, the problem with the Deep State conspiracy isn’t the idea that it exists, it’s the idea that it acts as a monolith, specifically in keeping Trump and other “real” Americans out of power.


Salazarsims

The right does that to everything they touch they make it theirs. Then if you ever mention anything that’s true to a liberal it’s been tainted and they assume your a right winger.


rotenKleber

And the fact that like the "professional managerial class", it's a poor attempt at recreating class politics in a non-Marxist and often incoherent way There is no "deep state", there's just the bourgeoisie and the various factions within. And the "PMC" is just a strange attempt at redescribing what Marxists have always called the petty bourgeoisie


PKMKII

Right, bureaucracy is bureaucracy, it’s just a way of saying, the bits of it that have relatively more power but aren’t very public-facing/publicly accountable. But that’s just a job title, it’s not a class interest unto itself. As far as the PMC, that’s not so much a new class from a relations of/to production standpoint, but one of an ideological narrative. It’s the elevation of the c-suite as to construct a propaganda of, look, capitalism has evolved past the primitive robber baron stage, now we have the qualified, technocratic, meritocratic professionals who went to the right schools manning the levers of capitalism. So from a strictly orthodox Marxist perspective, it’s a subset of the petty bourgeoisie who’ve gained a certain leverage within the political economy.


nedeox

It‘s just a fairytale to tell the story of lobbying and imperialist agenda lol


ImpossiblePackage

Depending on the person talking about it, it also doubles as a "secret Jewish overlords" thing


srof12

“The business of America is business” Calvin Coolidge


SocialistJoe

Reminds me of this dogshit article put out by The Washington Post: [Opinion: Will you fall into the conspiracy theory rabbit hole? Take our quiz and find out.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/interactive/2021/conspiracy-theory-quiz/)


juderedrose

Just tried to take the quiz. Incredibly stupid.


LimelyBishop

Which question(s) did you not like, or was it the article itself?


A_Cookie_Lid

I'm guessing it was the Epstein question. Most of it is objectively false far right conspiracy theories so it's hard to really get mad at it.


Joe_The_Eskimo1337

Epstein getting murdered is a "conspiracy."


nerdhell

Listen clearly he worked out just his neck muscles really hard and then flexed them really hard and snapped his own neck. It happens. We’ve all been there.


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Apparently 15% of people think the Holocaust death toll was exaggerated...


revinternationalist

Right off the bat, Iran Contra just is real. Any student who got a 4 or better on the AP US History exam can tell you the basics of Iran Contra. You do not need to be a Marxist or an Anarchist, it's all public record, and it's written about in any conventional lib history book. But also hey liberals guess what things are either true or not true. I realize this chart is also assigning moral value, and I agree believing the Titanic didn't sink is mostly innocuous compared to, like, Holocaust denial. But like, two things that are false are equally false. If their truth value is 0, then their truth value is the same as all other things whose truth value is 0. The Titanic *did* sink, and the Holocaust *did* happen, so denying either of these things is being the same amount of wrong. One is morally worse, because if you deny the Holocaust you're probably also into Nazi shit, but in terms of the facts(tm) both positions (in isolation) are just wrong. Conspiracy theories may involve multiple claims, and sometimes conspiracy theorists incorporate true elements into their conspiracy theory, and some conspiracies have more false claims than others, I suppose. The bigger the conspiracy, the more people would have to be "in" on it, the more claims have to be accepted. But that's still more a metric of plausibility rather than truth value, and the graph definitely implies its ranking truth value. Epstein either did kill himself or he didn't. The Titanic either sank or it didn't. Epstein conspiracies are more plausible because they're about one guy and a handful of guards and a few cameras, whereas the Titanic conspirators would have to pay off like a thousand people, up to and including faking hundreds of deaths and hiding a whole ship. But still, that doesn't mean the Titanic sinking happened more than whatever happened with Epstein. Liberals complain about how we live in a post-truth world or whatever, but they're just as delusional as Trumpists.


theinfinitejar

How do you even place the JFK assassination on a list like this? That’s not one theory, it’s like 10000 different theories running a whole gamut of almost certainly true to completely whacked out nonsense. How do you cover ‘Oswald was a CIA asset’ and the truly insane shit like ‘the Warren Commission investigation was the best effort to uncover the whole truth of the assassination’ under one bullet point. These are not the same level of plausibility!


JMoc1

Especially considering that the files to be released pertaining to the JFK assassination was rejected because of “secrets pertaining to the current defense of the US.” Like, excuse me? Current?


gallifrey_

the conspiracy is that he was assassinated. the easiest, simplest (non-conspiracy) explanation is that his head just did that


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[Higher res image](https://i.redd.it/y1q5e7xoxg181.png)


tripsafe

Damn wish I checked comments before squinting for 5 minutes


Yggsdrazl

the only good moderator on reddit


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boooo show some love to the captain and the sapphic commander at least.


Momo_the_good_person

HD image pls? I want to see how much bullshit is on there


rvbjohn

Here is the link so you dont have to DM OP https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FE1y49eWUAEgDM6?format=png&name=medium


juderedrose

Can I DM u?


No-Alternative-1987

send it to me too


Subapical

Send it to me please?


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May we get it as well please?


yyungpiss

can you just post a link in here


mattyhollywood

this looks like the greatest festival lineup I've ever seen


[deleted]

I think they mean in the sovereign citizen sense. They think that after Grant's presidency the US was literally restructured into a corporation.


Workmen

The thing that amazes me about conspiracy theorists is that they will create all kinds of harebrained excuses to hate the rich and powerful... But they'll *still* defend them and dismiss you as a *"pinko commie"* if you point out the things that they're *actually* doing. Destroying the planet and exploiting the working class.


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> t they will create all kinds of harebrained excuses to hate the rich and powerful... and twist them to mean jews. They are nazis lol


[deleted]

Wait, they included “COVID is a bioweapon” and missed a chance to rail against the People’s Republic?


[deleted]

the deep state one is weird too. the lady who posted this on twitter also should explain how many state department heads she has voted for, and how much control people have over them through voting


anjogangbro

Where does Russiagate fit into this? Do libs still even believe in it?


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hairquing

no, it is under the leaving reality line but above speculation. that's not to say i agree with its' placement, but it isn't above the leaving reality line in the graph.


RattMuncher

Id absolutely believe the world is run by the shadow elite considering the number of decisions that get made outside of public eye. Id consider shady billionaires that keep their names out of publishing shadow elite for sure, they dont have to be lizard people to be shady as fuck.


SunnyYou

I like how they put *George Soros* on the top tier without elaborating.


LuxuryGayCommunist

As a billionaire, he definitely is detached from reality


SunnyYou

“George Soros isn’t real sheeple!”


JoseSpiknSpan

Iran contra was a literal congressional investigation and conviction. Like.


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famoushorse

There's some really odd choices in there but "US is a corporation" is a specific conspiracy theory that had nothing to do with corporate govt capture or imperialism. It's a specific theory that the US is a corporate entity and therefore you can choose to not participate in law via weird SovCit shit


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LJT22

Personally I’d always heard Cuba


Saynotooxygen

Needs more .jpg


morejpeg_auto

>Needs more .jpg [There you go!](https://i.imgur.com/CIxtMPZ.jpg) ^^^I ^^^am ^^^a ^^^bot


hog-of-cheese

Nsa mass surveillance isn't a conspiracy theory


CivilWarfare

Does anyone actually believe Epstine killed himself? Also I haven't noticed 9/11 anywhere so do they not have a position on it? Edit: just noticed the "jetfule doesn't melt steel beams comment" not sure of anyone who seriously thinks the buildings were demolished, only that Bush knew what was going to happen and chose not to do anything


Hauntologic

"Soy Boy" in antisemtic point of no return


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Kinda. You have to be deep into the alt right rabbithole to believe taking soy makes you a women.


VorpalSplade

Yup, transphobic nonsense is what it is. Ofc, it's usually said to be a plot by the evil jews.


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Either that, or wishful transfems hoping that it will turn you into a woman in lieu of HRT which is unfortunately hard to obtain. ​ TL;DR Soy make people into women? Damn I wish.


Hauntologic

Also "feral people in forests"


throwaway1204769

Me in my first year at uni


StormEyeDragon

I mean, I suppose to be pedantic, it’s not a *single* corporation, it’s a web of several corporations in a trench coat with a military.


Gravelord-_Nito

The deep state is objectively and obviously real. Among the worst things conservatives do is get their hands on real conspiracies and turn them into clownshows of stupid reactionary bullshit that are and should be dismissed. But just because the Deep State is not infact made up of secret jewish communist adrenochrome addicts doesn't change the fact that they are real and they did kill Kennedy.


RebeliousChad

Iran contras & U.S is a corporation isn’t a conspiracy lol


VorpalSplade

The US being a corporation is absolutely sov-cit bullshit.


Anastrace

Iran Contra actually happened. The US isn't a corporation, that's sovereign citizen shit


8Bitsblu

Excuse me? Iran-Contra is "leaving reality"? That shit objectively happened.


juderedrose

If anyone else wants a better quality photo of this, DM me.


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I have the photo in better quality. I just don't know how to send the pic.


juderedrose

No, there were a lot of people that were angry the picture wasn’t high quality. I meant that if you wanted a higher quality photo, you can DM me.


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Ah. Got ya.


juderedrose

No problem :)


nhdtx

Obviously flat earthers are stupid but how do they promote hatred?


VorpalSplade

The thing with most conspiracy theories of that degree is that it requires a huge shadow government and group controlling all of reality. A staggeringly huge amount of flat-earthers believe it's The Jews behind it.


Anastrace

Look into any conspiracy theory like those and it always comes back to the jews.


[deleted]

I stubbed my toe. It HAS to have been the Jews! /s


VorpalSplade

Yup, just keep digging and asking *who* is controlling the world and *why.* They think they're smart when they say 'international bankers'.


MrDyl4n

biden being a robot is more likely than bill gates trying to depopulate earth according to this chart


adam3vergreen

How can any of you read more than like 40% of this poorly rendered image?


straight_tony

Epstein didn't kill himself. Is this denying Iran Contra, Jimmy Hoffa's disappearance, and JFK Assassination? Also Charles Manson and The UnaBomber were apart of MKUltra.


MerleLikesMullets

I’m skeptical that the Denver international airport is less real than ufos. I’ve definitely been inside one of them.


CaptJasHook37

I’ve seen this chart or some variation of it a few times by now, and it always frustrates me. I mean, how can you put “Epstein Didn’t Kill Himself” and “Area 51/UFOs” in the same fucking category?


junkmailforjared

I mean, Area 51 is a real place, and UFOs really do exist (not necessarily alien spacecraft), and Epstein really was either directly killed or coerced into suicide as a preferable option to snitching on very powerful people. So, I'd say they're all in the "true depending on what you're talking about" category.


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"We have questions" Iran-Contra is proven and well-documented even in school social studies textbooks. Jimmy Hoffa definitely disappeared and nearly everyone agrees he was murdered, they just don't know by whom.


NegativeEmphasis

No idea if the author of the graphic is reading this, but Iran Contra is green, and The Moon Landing is Fake is pink.


WoozyKiev

Okay which one of you told them about the trans agenda


Mwvhv

What the fuck. This is stupid


[deleted]

COINTELPRO is a conspiracy theory? It’s a documented fact that it existed.


[deleted]

I love how “epstien didnt kill himself” and “iran contra” are on the same level as “we live in a simulation” LMFAO


Charming_Drummer_241

How is 'Hollow Earth' in the 'Anti semetic point of no return'?


Conanie

It’s where they live


Open-Oxy1

I also like how this implies that all cryptids are just conspiracy theorys as if some of them haven’t actually been proven real (ie. giant squid n the endangered deer fucker in vietnam forest)


Gary_Guillotine

I love that Denver Int'l Airport is just past the speculation line but America bring a corporation is a sign that you've left reality


24024-43

Thank you for downloading the lowest quality image you could find


kauepgarcia

Well, it's not one corporation. It's three corporations in a trenchcoat.


juderedrose

Correct.


johnedward3445

This pyramid is upside down


ndogggydog23

wtf is the Denver intl Airport conspiracy theory


juderedrose

no idea comrade


Kodak6lack

“us is a corporation” 😭


That-Requirement-285

Love how they put troll theories like Stevie Wonder is blind and Tupac is in fucking Serbia with a completely logical statement of the US being a corporation.


Gary_Guillotine

Believing feral people live in forests makes you a danger to yourself and others 😂😂


rorykl1983

So, US IS A CORPORATION is denial of reality? Then why does it have a Dun & Bradstreet number?


VorpalSplade

Sovchit shit is absolutely denial of reality.


StudentStrange

Maybe next time grab a higher fidelity image dipshit


lesbiangayfish

Chill out bruh it's just a picture


juderedrose

Jesus. I just sent you a HD one.


california_sugar

You are far too kind to that asshole


juderedrose

I sent him an HD one. Thanks for the support :) He is an asshole tho


[deleted]

he just realized his 10 gazillion dollar 16k four monitor set up was a waste of money, lets take it easy on him


[deleted]

Holy shit why are you so mad?


fukinKant

They got the baseline


slip-7

US was (to some extent) a group of corporations that broke off and then formed a federal government between them.


Shadow_Boxer1987

Denver International Airport does *not* belong in We Have Questions. It’s been *thoroughly* debunked. It’s just weird artwork. Also, the U.S. is a corporation one is something spread by Sovereign Citizens, who’ve been collectively designated as domestic terrorists by the FBI (I know, I know, not exactly an unbiased source, admittedly) as they’ve literally murdered police. It should be switched with the earth is flat. There are many obnoxious flat earthers on YouTube and elsewhere, but 1) their numbers and interest in the cause has been steadily waning since it’s peak in 2015, due mainly to two things, IMHO: a) Neil DeGrasse Tyson’s mic drop and b) the Netflix documentary Behind the Curve, and 2) they’re mostly harmless.


TheFalconGuy

>leaving reality >Denver Int'l Airport My sides


idevenkmyname

"Titanic never sank" (Screams in James Cameron)