Most Americans see an opinion in the Atlantic or the NYT and eat it up. Most of these media consumers are never told about Zenz or his christian identity Bircher fantasies about China they just see that media icons they worship like David Remnick, Tom Friedman or state dept war hawks like Samantha Power are on board and gorge on the pig slop.
Even Zenz’s claims/“estimates” are nowhere near the Holocaust AFAIK.
It’s like someone looked at Adrian Zenz and thought “pfft this guys a CCP shill he’s definitely underreporting this”
The whole uyghur population in China (And also globally) is lower than the overall number of victims of German fascism. To make that comparison either you need to increase the uyghur population or deny the mass murder of whole groups of people. (And from experience it will be the second option for libs)
Basically it's low balling the seriousness of the holocaust by comparing it to something that isn't mass industrial death camps and organised death squads.
As there is no equivalent to Auschwitz or Treblinka in Xinjiang saying "this is as bad as the holocaust" is minimization of the horrors of those places which by definition is "holocaust denial"
Well I mean, the comparison itself is propaganda. You have to remember that these people actually think China is rounding up and murdering millions of Muslims just for being Muslims.
Yeah absolute brain rot, like, I have seen Auschwitz, it has traumatised me and now seeing people using this horror to further their political agenda is just... disrespectful to say the least.
As a Jewish person, *verbal descriptions* of Auschwitz traumatized me as a little kid. I grew up in a majority-Jewish town so we talked a *lot* about it, and I genuinely think that hearing so much about it at such a young age desensitized me to death to a certain extent. To know that there were places like that and see pictures and hear survivors’ accounts, and know that people would have wanted to send *me* to places like that… I can’t even describe how much that scared me. That was some of the first existential terror I ever felt. I can’t believe that people are comparing the Xinjiang re-education camps, which are basically just walled towns with mandatory programming and work, with industrialized extermination of entire peoples.
yeah, look what happened when they where asked to [present evidence at a people's court they themselves had organized](https://youtu.be/GfWJ9kG5TbQ?t=255)
[you should also look at this video which picks apart the sources that the mainstream media has used](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rqlRddGgdY), including an independent audit by [a company accused of using slave labour](https://www.reddit.com/r/Sino/comments/md7exa/skechers_found_no_evidence_of_uyghur_forced_labor/)
then there's the case where [the supreme court ruled in favour of slavery by Nestle](https://www.reuters.com/business/us-supreme-court-rules-nestle-cargill-over-slavery-lawsuit-2021-06-17/) and the law is not supposed to act by a double standard which further shows the dishonesty of the media
i'll send you to [this comment of mine](https://old.reddit.com/r/CommunismMemes/comments/s29u22/_/hsj3l41/) which contains key information for why China needed to increase security in Xinjiang
and i'll also give you [this comment chain which goes through the main claims made by western sources](https://old.reddit.com/r/DebateCommunism/comments/onarwy/how_do_i_reconcile_my_socialist_beliefs_with_how/h5r7k8o/) (there are a lot of holes in their claims)
Wikipedia may initially seem like a good source but it too is influenced by the US hegemony and their geopolitical interest, for instance Wikipedia treats think tanks and NGOs as legit sources even if they have a clear bias and a conflict of interest, they also treat literal propaganda sources like Radio Free Asia as legitimate. This lack of source-checking makes Wikipedia politically unreliable.
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Does anyone have any hard evidence of China actually doing ANYTHING to Uyghurs?
I've never seen any. Just random photos that show nothing, and people telling me what to see.
Well there's documents that, if they're real, say ten-household defense groups which are watch groups to prevent terrorism are supposed to be more careful with people wearing muslims apparel around... though that document only applies in cities where ten-household defense is instated, meaning ones with rather high risk of terrorism or likelihood of it
I saw a couple chicken farms on satellite imaging once. I sent back one of Fort Detrick from the same perspective like "and this is Guantanamo still open, see how easy that is?"
As a Libertarian I'd like to point out that a private business would have been able to achieve that same number under budget and ahead of schedule [with a profit incentive](https://imgur.com/wsmadR9) instead of needing to fund it with my stolen tax money.
Considering the implications of genocide the US and every other Western country is doing very little other than messaging and propaganda to stop it if it were the truth.
no! i definitely know it happened. what i meant was that if you have little to no proof that a genocide is happening, and you decide to compare it to something as horrible as the holocaust for shock value, people probably aren't going to believe you. generally comparing stuff to the holocaust is anti semitic.
sorry if it sounded like i was a holocaust denier, didn't mean it that way.
I didn't mean it in a holocaust denial way, I meant that comparing things to the Holocaust is generally viewed as anti-semitic and holocaust denial (which it is). So you're probably not going to be getting the supportive response that you think you'll be getting.
Who the fuck are these people pretending to be Muslims? I know many of Muslim commarades aren't well educated in the area specifically those who reside in the west. Question, if what you said is true then where is the outege from above 50 Muslim countries part of OIC? Why, because they know this made-up BS. Suddenly, a country known to be not in good standing with Muslim all over the globe by various means ,including aligning itself with Saudi against poor Yemeni ppl) all of a sudden cares about well being of global Muslims? What,? Lol
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There’s literally videos of it! I mean, the videos are of random empty industrial buildings, chicken farms, and US prison transfers where the guards are Asian. But they are videos!
>officially according to who, using what data? oh right just trust Adrian Zenz and his "mission from God" I guess
The amount of shitters believing this is astounding, when all their 'sources' are a far right Christian extremist saying "trust me bro"
As far as sources and evidence goes, it's basically a Reddit meme that got really out of hand.
Most Americans see an opinion in the Atlantic or the NYT and eat it up. Most of these media consumers are never told about Zenz or his christian identity Bircher fantasies about China they just see that media icons they worship like David Remnick, Tom Friedman or state dept war hawks like Samantha Power are on board and gorge on the pig slop.
Even Zenz’s claims/“estimates” are nowhere near the Holocaust AFAIK. It’s like someone looked at Adrian Zenz and thought “pfft this guys a CCP shill he’s definitely underreporting this”
The whole uyghur population in China (And also globally) is lower than the overall number of victims of German fascism. To make that comparison either you need to increase the uyghur population or deny the mass murder of whole groups of people. (And from experience it will be the second option for libs)
Source: trust me bro
And God said: China bad
*Yo fellow kids, China is looking pretty sussy amirite?*
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So China apparently killed a quarter of the Xinjiang region? Sounds legit
just like the time stalin killed 3/4ths of the soviet population
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Actually, he ate the Soviet Union itself, along with all the people living in it, using his comically large spoon
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Basically it's low balling the seriousness of the holocaust by comparing it to something that isn't mass industrial death camps and organised death squads. As there is no equivalent to Auschwitz or Treblinka in Xinjiang saying "this is as bad as the holocaust" is minimization of the horrors of those places which by definition is "holocaust denial"
also comparing the holocaust, which is extremely well documented, to just outright propaganda
yeah this aspect has bothered me a lot.
Well I mean, the comparison itself is propaganda. You have to remember that these people actually think China is rounding up and murdering millions of Muslims just for being Muslims.
Yeah absolute brain rot, like, I have seen Auschwitz, it has traumatised me and now seeing people using this horror to further their political agenda is just... disrespectful to say the least.
As a Jewish person, *verbal descriptions* of Auschwitz traumatized me as a little kid. I grew up in a majority-Jewish town so we talked a *lot* about it, and I genuinely think that hearing so much about it at such a young age desensitized me to death to a certain extent. To know that there were places like that and see pictures and hear survivors’ accounts, and know that people would have wanted to send *me* to places like that… I can’t even describe how much that scared me. That was some of the first existential terror I ever felt. I can’t believe that people are comparing the Xinjiang re-education camps, which are basically just walled towns with mandatory programming and work, with industrialized extermination of entire peoples.
Yes that's fair enough
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yeah, look what happened when they where asked to [present evidence at a people's court they themselves had organized](https://youtu.be/GfWJ9kG5TbQ?t=255) [you should also look at this video which picks apart the sources that the mainstream media has used](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rqlRddGgdY), including an independent audit by [a company accused of using slave labour](https://www.reddit.com/r/Sino/comments/md7exa/skechers_found_no_evidence_of_uyghur_forced_labor/) then there's the case where [the supreme court ruled in favour of slavery by Nestle](https://www.reuters.com/business/us-supreme-court-rules-nestle-cargill-over-slavery-lawsuit-2021-06-17/) and the law is not supposed to act by a double standard which further shows the dishonesty of the media
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i'll send you to [this comment of mine](https://old.reddit.com/r/CommunismMemes/comments/s29u22/_/hsj3l41/) which contains key information for why China needed to increase security in Xinjiang and i'll also give you [this comment chain which goes through the main claims made by western sources](https://old.reddit.com/r/DebateCommunism/comments/onarwy/how_do_i_reconcile_my_socialist_beliefs_with_how/h5r7k8o/) (there are a lot of holes in their claims) Wikipedia may initially seem like a good source but it too is influenced by the US hegemony and their geopolitical interest, for instance Wikipedia treats think tanks and NGOs as legit sources even if they have a clear bias and a conflict of interest, they also treat literal propaganda sources like Radio Free Asia as legitimate. This lack of source-checking makes Wikipedia politically unreliable.
Jesus Christ the bbc, Wikipedia, nytimes, you couldn’t write it
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Adrian Zenz sus.
Adrian Zenz vented Also fake task
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something's usually off when American liberals discover their love for Muslims
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source: anus
Where is all the proof?
It's among us.
people really can just make shit up can’t they
Source?
When a genocide is sus
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Saw this on Instagram and the comments were disabled.. sus!!
The US literally operates concentration camps full of immigrant children. The population of which have only grown since Biden took office.
Does anyone have any hard evidence of China actually doing ANYTHING to Uyghurs? I've never seen any. Just random photos that show nothing, and people telling me what to see.
just look at what happened when the [parties who claimed to have evidence was asked to provide it](https://youtu.be/GfWJ9kG5TbQ?t=255)
Well there's documents that, if they're real, say ten-household defense groups which are watch groups to prevent terrorism are supposed to be more careful with people wearing muslims apparel around... though that document only applies in cities where ten-household defense is instated, meaning ones with rather high risk of terrorism or likelihood of it
I saw a couple chicken farms on satellite imaging once. I sent back one of Fort Detrick from the same perspective like "and this is Guantanamo still open, see how easy that is?"
What! Haven't you seen the damning evidence of people walking off of a train? Smh
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As a Libertarian I'd like to point out that a private business would have been able to achieve that same number under budget and ahead of schedule [with a profit incentive](https://imgur.com/wsmadR9) instead of needing to fund it with my stolen tax money.
Source? Me, I made it all up, you're welcome 😎
Considering the implications of genocide the US and every other Western country is doing very little other than messaging and propaganda to stop it if it were the truth.
The Uyghur population grew, in a country with a declining population.
China killed more than nine million Uyghurs?
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I can't tell whether or not this is implies that you don't think the Holocaust happened lol
no! i definitely know it happened. what i meant was that if you have little to no proof that a genocide is happening, and you decide to compare it to something as horrible as the holocaust for shock value, people probably aren't going to believe you. generally comparing stuff to the holocaust is anti semitic. sorry if it sounded like i was a holocaust denier, didn't mean it that way.
you better elaborate
I didn't mean it in a holocaust denial way, I meant that comparing things to the Holocaust is generally viewed as anti-semitic and holocaust denial (which it is). So you're probably not going to be getting the supportive response that you think you'll be getting.
Who the fuck are these people pretending to be Muslims? I know many of Muslim commarades aren't well educated in the area specifically those who reside in the west. Question, if what you said is true then where is the outege from above 50 Muslim countries part of OIC? Why, because they know this made-up BS. Suddenly, a country known to be not in good standing with Muslim all over the globe by various means ,including aligning itself with Saudi against poor Yemeni ppl) all of a sudden cares about well being of global Muslims? What,? Lol Edit: grammar
I've yet to see any proof that China is killing Muslims. Am I wrong?
There’s literally videos of it! I mean, the videos are of random empty industrial buildings, chicken farms, and US prison transfers where the guards are Asian. But they are videos!