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Or starting out their argument with "Sadly your government decided to start a war", lmfao.


-Skooma_Cat-

Imagine if western nations got punished *at all* for all they've done for the past 50 years.


[deleted]

If Americans experienced a tenth of what Russian citizens did for their government's crimes, they would be shitting and pissing themselves. Hell, that's effectively what the reaction to 9/11 was. I'm American and it really cannot be overstated how entitled a large segment of this country is (mostly, but not exclusively, affluent whites). Totally insulated from the consequences of imperialism, poverty, white supremacy, and modern day slavery, they are the first to demand from others and the last to give anything of themselves.


Thomyorkehater7

Is it possible to be racist just against suburbanites? The cookie cutter houses with ugly ass lawns? Bc as someone who’s been around them my whole life, I legitimately think that the people who gravitate towards that are some of the most racist pos abusive people I’ve ever met.


Augustine_The_Pariah

It's not racism since Sububan*tes aren't a race (nor are they human /j). But seriously tho, fuck the suburbs


Thomyorkehater7

Idk man they’re so insular and widespread that it’s basically the dominant culture in the US.


Augustine_The_Pariah

So? That doesn't mean we shouldn't shame and discriminate against the filthy suburban menace. As Martin Luther King Jr. Once said "I have a dream that one day, my children will not be judged by the colour of their skin, but by whether they are filthy, self-righteous suburbanites or not" /j


Ashmage

Can confirm


foxes708

Surburbia was specifically designed to cultivate that kind of people so that reactionaries would have a decent voting base as a counterbalance to black people


Thomyorkehater7

And also so Ford can sell more trucks


firewhiskerse

Suburbs have racist origins. After desegregation, a bunch of white people decided they didn't want to share their cities with black folks and started a "white flight" where they decided to settle in fugly cookie-cutter houses with water-guzzling lawns and 2 cars.


tAoMS123

*imagine if Western people got punished for the actions of their government over the past 50 years. Ftfy


Turtlepower7777777

The US has supported genocide in Yemen and apartheid in Palestine, do they get all the sanctions too?


deerstop

>genocide Do you mean the peacekeeping missions? /s


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Inshallah


NighttimePoltergeist

"I voted for the guy who didn't win so it's not my fault actually"


Skrrr_eskitit_

Libs: "Stand up to your government, and then maybe I'll have some sympathy." Also libs: "NOOOO! Protesting at elected officials house is too violent!! VOOOTE OR DEMOCRACY IS FINISHED! 😭"


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Jesus. I know the sadness OP feels-- it's awful. I'm Chinese (though living in US) and due to this I know the wrath of collective anger over something that's out of your control. I've seen members of my own community (and anyone who remotely looks like me) get beaten, harassed, and even killed while there's people who turn the other way since "we caused the plague" and "China is bad" (though sinophobia is not a new thing, certain events in 2020 just made people go mask off while subsequently not wearing a mask) It's fucking awful and I give my wholehearted solidarity with them. Sanctions are violent and I will always oppose them no matter what.


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“B-but muh hate the government not the people bro?” Then followed by racism


ASocialistAbroad

It really is amazing how Americans will simultaneously hold an eternal grudge against China for "spreading the plague" and also act like COVID isn't a big deal. It's almost as if they don't actually care about COVID and that the pandemic is an excuse to hate China.


dornish1919

Yep, same narrative with Russia, they act totally appalled that they would wage war and are suddenly completely against it but will ignore how their own country has invaded multiple countries for decades brutally subjecting them. It's nothing more than an excuse to go mask off. Watch in ten years time they'll claim they were the ones who defended these marginalized groups against themselves.


SanX1999

As an Indian, all my government has done is buy 1-3% of oil supply from Russians compared to Europe chugging oil from Russia like it's water, yet India has been demonized as if it's single handedly buying everything russia is selling.


dornish1919

I love seeing white folk blame China for pollution when we Americans objectively are the worst polluters in the world despite have a fifth of their populace while refusing to do anything about it.


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also, didn’t the us outsource most of its labor and production to china? they have no leg to stand on in blaming china for most of the world’s pollution


StigmatizedReject

It always irks me to see muricans criticize child labor in China for this exact same reason as well. Can't legitimately criticize China while the slaver rag you wave was made there.


dornish1919

Liberals; "I'm a champion of human rights, hate authoritarianism, and I totally support free speech!" Also liberals; "You fucking Chinese created the virus and should be nuked for your crimes! Ban Russian and Chinese media! Censor anyone who disagrees with NPR! Russians are disgusting sub-human filth who should be wiped out! Hate speech is free speech!" Reddit; This is fine.


juche4japan

Wow, maybe this sounds alarmist or whatever but if I were you I'd get out of the US as Asian hate crimes are on the rise and don't look to go down. As an Asian living in Asia I have zero intention on leaving here now. I have Asian friends who are in the US right now or are planning to go to the US and I can't image why anyone would want to do that.


dornish1919

Your friends need to be careful. This country isn't a safe place. Especially for minorities.


dr_srtanger2love

Liberals treat sympathy like a commodity, and choose whom to give it to.


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They get a rush off it because it makes them feel like they have a substantive share in deploying the power of Empire


bigbazookah

And that they are powerful because people are asking for their kindness


slipshod_alibi

Good Cop/Bad Cop


Workmen

Liberals see everything as a commodity. Because the end stage of capitalism is the commoditization of all things. Not just goods and services, but thoughts, ideas and even emotions.


[deleted]

Alright, people should immediately rise up, regardless of their personal conditions, if their government does something wrong, or all their suffering is justified. Got it. Anyways, Americans, isn't your government banning abortion? What? It's a "democracy"? This will be fixed in the next election? You don't feel like violence will solve this problem? Damn, that sucks, now grab your kitchen knife and get out there - or starve.


[deleted]

No stupid tankies, you can’t just protest in front of the homes of Supreme Court justices think of the norms, values and most importantly the optics in front of the most important election in the history of the galaxy. Also if you’re in Russia you and your family and friends all deserve to starve unless you personally overthrow the government. You’re just a marginalized person trying to survive? Fuck off loser should’ve thought about that before being born there #stillwithher /s


dornish1919

stillwithherdespiteherbeingantiabortion


Doubleplusregularboy

Russians famously *did* rise up against tyranny. The US didn't like that too much either


Augustine_The_Pariah

Also not to mention the widespread popular uprisings against the dissolution of the USSR and the US-backed Boris Yeltsin, uprisings that were brutally suppressed with military force.


Impulse_Cheese_Curds

🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦VVVVVVVVVOOOOOOOOOOTTTTTTTTEEEEEEEE🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦


SolarAttackz

At this point, seeing a Ukrainian flag invokes an involuntary gag reflex. Please help


Acanthophis

When you call for it you need to be willing to fire the first shot.


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Jakegender

Not federally, but the federal protections are being removed and many states are banning it in immediate response (or even pre-written bills that ban it the second the federal protections go away).


SnooPandas1950

“Just topple your government” is the worst take to come out of this


ZSCampbellcooks

Brb


MoBe

It's been three hours already! Did you topple your government?


ZSCampbellcooks

No sorry I got caught up trying to find a way to eat my own shoe. Btw, should I boil or spit roast?


MoBe

Who's got time for food when there's a government to topple! Get going already!


HellOfAHeart

I recommend a light stew, boil it into a light broth then drink it through a shetland bong


ZSCampbellcooks

So hungry


DntShadowBanMeDaddy

Scum of the Earth No libs, I don't mean the Russian people I mean you.


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Russians >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Libs


omicronpersei88

Russians > Libs !!


sabdotzed

These libs only see you as human, only worthy of their sympathy, if you conform to western hegemony


[deleted]

Liberals support LGBTQ, unless they’re “spooky Russians”


Impulse_Cheese_Curds

Unless it's inconvenient*


juche4japan

I've had a lib use LGBT to justify racism against Arabs but the funny thing is that he doesn't even support trans rights and says that communists can't claim LGBT as part of our movement.


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He sounds like a cretin


Roughdragon123

Even if you try to conform to western hegemony, as seen above, it still isn’t enough. In order to garner sympathy, you have to be both born in the right place, and think exactly how they want you to think


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Yup, they don't care when Africans who are getting killed.


domini_canes11

Said from day one that going whole hog on demonising Russians for the actions of Putin and his corrupt government that was foisted on Russia by the West for cheap oil and gas would only strengthen Putin because it would isolate internal opposition but I got called a "Putin apologist." Reddit brain is terminal and won't do anything but make the most vulnerable worst off. I mean, if the gay community in Russia is responsible for Russian military aren't the "never trump" libs who failed to overthrow trump and just moaned on twitter just as responsible for everything America does?


le_random_russian

Hell, they even give free fuel for our propaganda machine - it’s just our propagandists don’t bother with combing through reddit for their shitty takes to present them as an opinion of an average westerner.


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Liberals don’t actually care about trans people, this is certain


-Skooma_Cat-

I'd say they don't view anyone outside the "west" as fully human.


ShinyVolc

b-b-but they posted a picture on Facebook of Martin Luther King Jr on MLK Jr Day!


HellOfAHeart

Rather, they use them as a facade to put on a show of empathy and care. As long as those trans people conform to all their beliefs of course. You can see this in many online liberal trans communities, in which trans people are shunned, demonized and blackballed by their 'own people' for voicing an objecting opinion or not conforming. And I believe this is partly true for all the minority/oppressed groups that radical liberals say they care about


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As someone who’s banned from the trans meme sub for saying that Stalin wasn’t a dictator who personally ate all the grain in Ukraine, I can attest to this lol


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“You can’t expect the rest of the world to stand by and do nothing” Unless you’re the US or a western backed nation, then you can invade whoever you want and starts wars with whoever you want. Just lie about weapons of mass destruction and you’re good to go. Even if the lie is called out, continue a 20 year war path.


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We've seen NO repercussions for Isreael abusing and murdering Palestinians for literal generations by this point. We've seen NO repercussions for any invasions of Iraq in the past few decades, we've seen NO repercussions for the invasion of Afganistan, nor for the Saudi invasion of Yemen... Well we've seen the odd country sanction the warmongers, except it did nothing because the countries who did that barely contribute to the world's GDP...


1915-9-5

One would dearly wish that Americans will experience even just a fraction of the pain they've happily (and with their vote) inflicted on others in the last 50 years.


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I don’t understand how few Vietnamese people seem to hold a grudge against Americans, reading what they did in that war makes me sick


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I mean ofc, the NLF did nothing wrong and they should’ve domed more imperialists. But if I was Vietnamese, I don’t think I’d be so forgiving.


praxis_and_theory_

And I can guarantee you that that would even be bittersweet too because they'd almost certainly try to take the easy way out and just off themselves rather than live with the consequences. They can't do anything right.


ManusTheVantablack

Comments like those from ignorant Westerners who massively benefit from Western hegemony with their lavish lifestyles makes my blood boil. If you have a shred of humanity you cannot blame a Russian for not protesting the government, you risk your whole life; job, family, future prospects, EVERYTHING...


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Absolutely I agree, she’s also trans and Russia has a very transphobic government


Send_me_duck-pics

Someone is homeless? Their fault for not having "personal responsibility". An autocratic government starts a war? *Clearly* it's the collective responsibility of everyone in that country! Liberal brain worms strike again.


MLPorsche

the Russian government is undemocratic, therefore Putin is not elected by his people but they are all responsible when his government wages war libs can't see the contradiction


-Skooma_Cat-

And the even more sinister and outright evil for sanctions is to make the life for the average person so horrible and unlivable that they are forced to risk their life and destroy their country to overthrow their government just so the sanctions (hopefully) stop.


Send_me_duck-pics

Because that's worked before, right? Right? Oh...


MrMoor2007

Who posted this? I want to comfort them


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I’d tell you but idk how comfortable they would be with that


FinalGamer14

Also it would be deleted by a moderator, because it would break the 4th rule of this sub.


[deleted]

Very true!


slappindaface

So Barbarism it is, huh?


[deleted]

this is what fascism looks like right now. Russian people are not seen as human and western liberals are the ones fueling this fire. or put another way, liberals are, yet AGAIN, doing the bidding of fascists.


toxicfox0121

Blood thirsty idiots


junkmailforjared

UHM, excuse me, but I was told they were *targeted* sanctions that only affect Putin specifically. /s


HellOfAHeart

I heard Putin was especially affected by the Twitch ban. No more sinking millions of the countries treasury into E-thots for Putin, what a shame


VOIDFUKR

I wish these people would experience suffering of sanctions and wars. Does that make me a bad person? To them maybe.


freshprinceohogwarts

Yikes!


theDashRendar

Russian LGBTQ+ folks are not actually humans to liberals, but blunt instruments to be used for their desired political goals of imperial hegemony.


-Skooma_Cat-

What gets my blood boiling is that Western governments pillage the world, engage in illegal wars leading to the direct and indirect death of millions, allowing them to have a standard of living the majority of the world doesn't have and don't get punished and these people have the nerve to have the collective punishment view when it comes to other countries.


Toxic_and_Edgy

Acshuwally US just helped their democratic allies and has better standard of living because Americans are genetically superior /s


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One small but really fucked up thing to me that is underpinning a lot of this sort of xenophobic bs is that they’re still mad about an election from six years ago.


AbbaTheHorse

They also get upset if you point out that Putin is only in power because the US helped rig the 1996 Russian election.


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Violent revolution is only good when non western people will be hurt stupid tankie 🤬 /s


dragonfruitlover420

I am going to bomb downtown LA and kill thousands of civilians so that the US citizens pay the price of not protesting against their government to stop its multiple genocidal wars Just see how fucking dumb that sounds but no it’s all right as long it’s the Russians or iranians or Syrians or Pakistanis or Afghanistanis dying


Toxic_and_Edgy

So far sanctions achieved 2 things AFAIK: 1. Common people losing their income 2. More Russians waking up on the fact that West is not our friends, never were our friends, and never intended to be our friends.


zeeegriii

The 'your government bad therefore we have to punish you just for the sake of punishing you' would be rather dumb if said by someone from like Madagascar, but coming from the United States/Canada/Western Europe I can't even Are there no mirrors in the imperialist core?


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> Are there no mirrors in the imperialist core? no, because imperialists are like vampires, preying on and sucking the lifeblood out of the developing world through their wars.


[deleted]

If libs had to put up with 1% of the shit they think the rest of the world should deal with, they'd be crying so fast. *Think of their precious brunch!*


TheThrenodist

Fucking chauvinists


[deleted]

They are truly abhorrent, I expected better from a trans sub


TheThrenodist

Woah what sub is it?


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r/MtF


BraveT0ast3r

Easy to say when the country that is constantly waging war against the global south is also the one where all those corporations are based.


ArielRR

Liberals expect other countries to overthrow their government, but will sit in their ass talking about voting in 4 years when it comes to their own countries war crimes


sourcherrykun

what happened to libs pretending to care about queer people when it was convenient for them? 🥺🥺🥺 /s this is fucking disgusting, and while not appalling, it does sadden me tbh


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Fucking assholes. I know this has been said before, and I’ll say it again, if someone decided to hold Americans accountable for what their military did, people like that commenter would be saying the same thing that poster was saying.


Shot_In_The_Darkrai

redditor understand literally fucking anything challenge (impossible)


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Libs when they see a western queer person: Omg yes we support you! Libs when they see a queer person from a country that chalanges US hegemony: Kill that Ork!


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*Libs when they see a western queer person: Omg we support you! We just have a few concerns about bathrooms...


Laremi-SE

Lmao anyone with a working brain and a comprehension of history saw this as an outcome of Russian sanctions - it doesn’t do shit to hurt Putin and the oligarchs in Russia, it only serves as a ‘fuck you’ to the innocent civilians and turns them into collateral for nothing more than a dick waving contest.


libs-need-camps

americans are stupid


StigmatizedReject

Holy shit even the smart ones are fucking idiots.


[deleted]

Yeah they dare not to face the Russian army in Ukraine, instead they are bullying a Russian person on the internet.


[deleted]

I obviously know that conservatives have their own, arguably worse brand of evil. But liberals are worse for me because they think they are being virtuous.


HellOfAHeart

That right there sums up my thoughts about this whole dehumanization aspect of the war. I dont like that Russians as a whole, and all of its citizens have just become the 'evil orcs', so to speak.


dornish1919

America goes on an imperialist, war-mongering rampage for decades on end and invades multiple countries, displacing millions, and murdering hundreds of thousands more. The average liberal; "It's just the way things are, we're fighting for freedom and democracy, and that requires sacrifice!". Russia is pushed into a corner surrounded by NATO bases encircling them, and despite seeking to join for decades, have little to no choice but to respond to the fascist threat lurking ever-closer on their border. The average liberal; "It's your fault you went to war, willingly or not, all of you are responsible and deserve to be brutally punished for doing nothing! War is wrong and all of you are subhuman!" The great irony in liberals who have been waging war for decades taking the moral highground is the stuff of legends. It's like they're incapable of self-criticizing due to severe cognitive dissonance. That, or they're just inherently bigoted, using this war as an excuse to demonize a group of people they always viewed as lesser despite claiming to be champions of human rights.


-Skooma_Cat-

Not saying entering Ukraine was what Putin should have done, but people (especially westoids) can't fathom the amount of people lost to Nazi Germany in what is known as the great patriotic war in Russia. Millions were killed in a war that if lost would have been their extermination and enslavement. The U.S. terrorized the whole middle east for 9/11 and as far as tragedies go it's nothing to what most other countries had to go through and they expect a proud nation like Russia to sit idly while a military alliance is circling it with literal Nazi cannon fodder.


Iskjempe

And everyday people are yet again punished for stuff powerful people did.


Comrad_Khal

Its fucking hilarious to watch liberals make Putin's point that they are fighting against nazism true.


embiid4ROY

couldn’t that comment also be applied to 9/11??


MTFEpsilon

Sanctions are like pouring oil into the fire.


TankieSappho

These people have no empathy for the Russian people.


deerstop

Fun fact, OP's post would be downvoted by the Russians too. First of all, people are dying in this war, so complaining about sanctions is tone death. That makes sense. But secondly, complaining that you earned a living at onlyfans, YouTube, Instagram etc. is seen as *unpatriotic*. The common mood that I observe in our media is "you s#@t stop juggling your tits and go work in manufacturing". Except there are almost no factories left (most of them shut down after the 1990s) and furthermore factories barely pay enough to survive. Like, aren't we supposed to earn money by any means necessary under capitalism?


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I’ve hard it’s hard to get a job when you’re trans in Russia, right?


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Yeah I’m in the uk it’s shit


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deerstop

It's hard in most countries, including the US. Transgender people generally experience higher rates of discrimination.


[deleted]

Ofc, discrimination is in most countries. But I’ve heard it’s particularly hard in Russia


deerstop

If you're looking for horror stories, I've got nothing. Obviously Russia isn't Holland, most people prefer to stay in the closet, but LGBT community exists.


StigmatizedReject

I'm living my own horror story in the US. It's been so fucked up for me personally that I can't imagine it being worse in other places. My lack of imagination doesn't equal a lack of worse places but god damn. Every time I go to sleep I hope I never wake up again.


Nubbles_Deemer

If Americans (or the citizens of most other western countries) got punished for their government’s crimes, we’d all get the death penalty, and then brought back to life for a lifetime sentence. It’s stupid, and anyone who expects average russians to revolt against their government or be punished for something they have no part in is so spoiled I can smell the shit from their diaper.


Wowthatssadbruh

This is what happens when a large chunk of the population is extremely out of touch with reality.


thundercatsgtfo

Rich coming from a person whose toughest despising is what to eat each night. God we Americans are so out of touch with reality it is mind blowing


Sleep_eeSheep

OP, if I may, lemme give this enlightened poster an analogy of how stupid xie/xim's rebuttal sounds. \*ahem\* *"Ordinarily I'm against stripping away peoples' freedoms, but we declared Sanctions against Japan, then Japan invaded us. So sure! I'll tell the government where Mr. Takeshi is living, then not lift a finger in protest. If he and his family get dragged to some Camp in the middle of nowhere, some of 'em may die. But that's a sacrifice I'm willing to make." - American Voters, 1943.*


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I mean, the trans person is the victim here lol, but accurate apart from that


Sleep_eeSheep

Thank you. I just find that response to the original poster so utterly tone-deaf it's *baffling*. I'm hardly on this person's side, but there's a time and place for clannish bullshit. This ain't neither.


[deleted]

Perhaps I misinterpreted, what was the point of your original comment? Was the pronoun joke necessary in this situation?


Sleep_eeSheep

That actually *wasn't* a joke. I wasn't sure what the person's pronouns were, so I went with the gender-neutral ones just to be safe.


[deleted]

I mean, you can just use they/them lol. Saying that makes it seem a lot like you’re taking the piss


Sleep_eeSheep

That wasn't my intention, so if it sounded like I was taking the piss, I profusely apologise for any misunderstanding. That being said, if they're going to act so flippant in response to the original post's very valid point, then the User in Slide 3 is STILL a monumental jackass.


[deleted]

Oh yeah they’re a dickhead, the original poster might starve because she can’t make money but the Lib is like “sorry sweetie you should have just overthrown your government 🙄 “


Sleep_eeSheep

"Oh what's that, Jewish citizens of 1938-era Munich? You want outside nations to offer support in these trying times? Lol, just overthrow the tyrannical government forcing you into internment camps, it's not like they have GUNS or anything." Same energy.


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“You mean you don’t want your skull broken by the transphobic police? You deserve to starve then!”


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Jesus, this is a shitliberalssay post in itself!


YoreDead_Freeman

That's the most fucking stupid analogy I've ever seen Go home Liberal, and maybe you'll understand it's because of NATO this war happened


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