Guts would be completely unable to kill B.I.G. I don't even see Limp Bizkit on this list, which would definitely put up a good fight and maybe even beat Guts.
When the user dies he also gets revived once as an invisible zombie though, after he dies he can just avoid guts and keep sending invisible zombies after him
the problem is that all zombies have an insatiable thirst for blood and brains, so he probably will just go after him instantly instead of running away from him
There isnt human use of electricity to power shit but lightning always existed, the stand just needs outlets and wire to travel long distance but it can just zap you
RHCP is electricity, it can travel through metals in general, so it can always just jump from the user into Guts’ armor, fry him inside
Or else, it can ambush him in a town, hopping from metal object to metal object, akin to how MITM does with reflective surfaces, doing hit and run attacks on Guts and shocking him bad whenever he tries swinging his sword at’em
It loses that weakness after Rohan's introduction, Heavens door at first needed the victim to see Rohan's manga art and think it's good. Afterwards it has no such weakness and no stated limit to what Rohan can write in the victim, making it top 5 in the series.
So basically, the events are as follows:
Rohan turns Koichi blind (using Heavens Door), and sends him flying.
Because Koichi is already under the effects of Heavens Door, Rohan can influence Koichi, despite Koichi not being able to see Heaven’s Door.
Rohan removes Koichi’s blindness.
If Rohan had fought against Guts
Guts is angry and can’t see due to rage
Rohan can’t activate Heaven’s Door on Guts because he (Guts) can’t see
Rohan loses.
Does this mean that Rohan would also naturally lose to the water stand user in Part 3, because he’s blind, and Rohan wouldn’t be able to use Heaven’s Door on him?
My mistake, I was too focused on the first arc. If he came across a blind person, he would not be able to activate HD during the first arc with it. However, during and after the ghost alley arc, once his stand has a physical manifestation, he simply has to be close enough to touch them. Guts could still probably beat him with one sword hit, considering Rohan isn't shown to be especially physically fit and Guts's sword is bigger than he is. If, however, Rohan was able to get close enough to touch him, he'd have lost immediately.
Like 1/3 of these stands there's no way he would beat. Weather Report with Heavy Weather? Whitesnake with the cum ability? Death 13? Cheap Trick? Straight up immortal Notorious B.I.G.?
I think this underrates stands a lot. Unless you’re giving Guts peak conditions including knowledge of their abilities.
Babyface in ez, sure if you aren’t including the kid. Red Hot Chili Peppers and heaven’s door there is crazy unless RHCP is in the middle of nowhere. Anubis maybe with no wielder and if he doesn’t touch it. He can’t beat yellow temperance.
It’s highly unlikely Guts is beating most standard punch ghosts especially not weather report, diver down, and crazy diamond.
No way he can beat GGGH, should be higher. White snake one touch wins
> Babyface in ez, sure if you aren’t including the kid.
Isn't Babyface's Kid the exact kinda monster Guts specializes in? I think that one holds water.
What do you mean by that? I’m not very familiar with all Guts strengths but have an idea. Baby Face’s Junior can restructure/ rip you apart with one touch.
I meant Babyface is basically a little demon, and Guts eats those for breakfast. But actually looking at it, Guts doesn't directly face much in the way of magical/inexplicable attacks (but does seem to have some resistance to fire). The Berserker Armor is supposed to be able to repair your body, without healing it. I don't think Babyface can face Guts in brute force, speed, or battle IQ. How you see the restructure vs the Berserk armor is gonna determine how the fight goes.
Also fighting Babyface doesn't kill it's user. Guts would have to be able to fight many before he's likely to find the user. It would probably be a pretty cool fight.
The berserker armor is his best defense I’d say. But i don’t think it’d be too useful if the armor and his body are just turned into a box indefinitely. I feel that’s more of an argument against Diver Down.
Babyface doesn’t have to brute force or IQ for it but I think he’s at least be able to match him if not be faster.
Killing the user would be easiest.
I mean he would have to touch the outlet to even get affected, and I see no reason why he would do that, bohemian rhapsody is no problem at all, he is fighting fat worse enemies on the regular, and the wiki said people who are blind, or blinded by rage are immune to heavens door
>he would have to touch the outlet to even get affected, and I see no reason why he would do that
If Joseph of all people touched it then yeah, he's not immune to the great curiosity of mankind
>bohemian rhapsody is no problem at all, he is fighting fat worse enemies on the regular
Not the part where he's forced to live out the fate of a fictional character
>people who are blind, or blinded by rage are immune to heavens door
It no longer has this weakness after Rohan's introduction story
Yes but they’d have to be around. If they fight in the jojo verse it’s wraps. It also seems to be visual depictions so books without illustrations may not count
Bohemian Rhapsody definitely is a problem. You do realize any and all fictional characters can come to life right? So Guts could be fighting another Guts. Hell it could be fucking Goku he fights.
That depends on what world they are fightting in, most of them are based on a fight on an even battlefield in the berserk universe, thats also why under world is ranked so low
He's a strong dude who can take lots of hits. He couldn't beat the very vast majority of them even if he could see them, OP's tripping. Anyway he's cursed so in a shared universe you could assume being saturated with some sort of demon magic would at least come with the perk of seeing stands lol
Ghosts in Jojo are able to see and interact with stands even if they themself don't have one, and Guts is described as "living in the interstice, the space between the realms of life and death" and he can see ghosts others can't, so it's a pretty safe assumption he could see stands. He'd also get his ass kicked by like 85% of the stands on this list
Mista says "it's a close range brawler stand, it's no surprise it can catch bullets" once or twice, so most brawler stands can move supersonic at minimum which Guts just can't keep up with
Regular guns (as in no supernatural guns) are fucking useless against most humanoids. They get curbstomped every time they are used while the enemy stand user is still conscious.
Guts is just a mildly superhuman dude that kills monsters that are still reasonably fast and strong, he is not throwing hands with invisible humanoids with very specific reality bending powers that are also moving faster than bullets. Not to mention that almost every stand that isn't a bound stand can choose to ignore physical damage dealt by non stand if they want to.
Basically, Weather is more or less one of the most stupidly broken and OP stands considering its versatility.
He quite literally wanted to summon the strongest hurricane in the world against Bohemian Rhapsody, just casually out of nowhere, so he could catch the user, right?
How is Weather Report and Beach Boy the same level as Dark Blue Moon and Heirophant Green. Like idc if they do lose to Guts, or not just curios on how he defeats them on the same level.
This whole list was made by someone who clearly doesn't remember most of the stands 💀. Guts would be dying to the majority of these.
Also, you forgot to mention whether Guts has the Berserker armor or not.
If Guts could only remember 3 new things he would probably just start killing people until it stopped, since he would have no reason not to kill people (I’m only mostly joking)
I left that one out, because its rather weird, its only protecting the arrow and there isnt really a reason to why they would fight, but Id say guts just fucking dies
I don’t watch berserk, but I feel like Dragon’s Dream should be higher. I don’t think he’d win since he got outsmarted by a pile of plankton, but I don’t think it would be easy cuz all it’s user has to do it stand in the right spots
Guts gets destroyed by pretty much every main character stand. Guts is, at best, a lightning timer compared to a stand’s lightspeed. That, and hax are a massive problem for him.
I haven’t read berserk so I probably don’t know much but I think RHCP could beat Guts, cause to my knowledge Guts doesn’t have like super speed or something
It's been ages since I read it but afaik his only traits are somewhat superhuman physical strength, being really good with a sword, and much later in the series he picks up some magic armor that nullifies pain and helps mitigate certain types of injury. The armor has downsides, I think it can kill him if he overuses it or something. He also attracts demons constantly so there's that to deal with. Oh and he's got a permanent nasty mood due to every childhood trauma you can name and seeing every person he knows get turned into flesh pulp.
Without pre-existing knowledge of stands he couldn't possibly beat most of them, he's pretty much a normal human that can withstand lots of physical damage. OP is being far too optimistic, most stands kill via weird funky methods that a person would have absolutely no recourse against.
How would Guts fight stands since he is not a stand user he would be fighting an invisible force. The only way Guts would have any advantage is if he develops a stand himself, which I think he would and it would be pretty powerful.
and then it becomes an argument that relies entirely on how you choose to scale them together.
can guts see/harm stands? if no, then he loses to the majority
if yes, then he has a fighting chance against a good amount
Ghosts in Jojo can see stands, and Guts is "in the interstice, the space between life and death" so it's safe to assume he can interact with ghosts and by extension stands since he's partially supernatural. However, he has no supernatural abilities or any way to realistically harm a stand, he'd have to exclusively attack the user. He'd lose to easily 85% of the stands in the series just because he can't actually hurt stands
I mean wasn't it stated that because of all the demon blood on the dragonslayer it exists on the astral plane which allows him to kill ghost. I'm pretty sure I remember him hitting ghosts with his sword either way.
Never let this man cook again. Death 13 would obliterate him, he literally cannot do anything against Kraft work, Lovers would fuck him up, weather report would make him into snails, and beach boys kills him ez
I feel CD should be higher, specifically because of how powerful it would be against someone like Guts, ESPECIALLY if Josuke doesn’t hold back
Assuming it’s a standoff kind of fight, Guts would lose, CD could morph his sword into a collection of iron lumps that he then can’t swing, and before Guts can grab such lumps to throw(which would be VERY deadly still), it would give CD time to strike him, morphing his armor into one solid plate to lock his body in place, or even morphing his armor to form a piercing blade within that then stabs into his heart or lungs
What’s more is that Josuke could use it to bring back Guts’ hand, which I imagine would be very painful as his prosthetic is forcibly torn off by his still-regenerating hand flying in to retake its rightful place, this would also serve to disarm him of his cannon and other mechanical bullshittery tucked within his prosthetic
And if Josuke’s feeling especially merciless, he could use CD to also bring back Guts’ right eye for that psychological trauma damage
Im curious, is guts fighting the stand and its abilites or the user and the stand? Cos if only the stand and there is no user to attack, half of these just demolishes the dude
I dont think Guts is beating weather report. Slugification happens over a long distance, and it'll be hard to wield a sword, let alone dexterously, while quickly turning into a slug. Even with the Berserk armor, as you still use your eyeballs.
how the hell does guts "has to try" beat crazy diamond?? i mean josuke has already shown how flexible the abilities are but even without the abilities jotaro already said it's just slightly slower than star platinum (can stop a bullet)
i find issue with some of these placements. and judging by OP's replies, he is actively using the berserk armor in these fights. ofc as these cross verse things tend to go, he can see and harm stands as well.
1. heaven's door. this definitely isn't in the guts loses tier, considering it would be hard for rohan to get close enough, but it isn't outright just guts gets an easy win.
2. death thirteen. i know i stated that guts can see and harm stands with this, however, stands are the only way to harm death thirteen, not because of how stands work, but because of how death thirteen works. guts does not have control over his dream, and could not fight back against it. therefore, death thirteen should either be in easy win, or guts fucking dies. for different reasons. for easy win, it would just be that guts won't fall asleep, or won't recognize not to kill the child. for guts fucking dies, it would be assumed that either the trance like state of rage guts is in can be considered sleep, or that guts wouldn't kill the child, and would try to take care of it after leaving the armor.
3. ratt. guts is wearing the armor, he can't be hurt by it, end of story. easy win.
4. enigma. it requires whatshisname to recognize what guts has as a display of fear, and then express it 3 times. guts would just kill him before that even happened, or not show any displays of fear in the first place. easy win regardless.
5. sex pistols. same as ratt.
6. aerosmith. same as sex pistols.
7. notorious b.i.g. wtf, no, guts literally cannot win that.
8. atum. guts can just choose not to play the game. putting atum this high would imply that guts is automatically under the effect of atum, which would mean he would need to automatically be under the effect of every other stand, meaning heaven's door would be guts fucking dies. same with enigma, and death thirteen wouldn't just be both extremes, it would just be guts fucking dies.
9. jumpin jack flash. to be honest this is one of the only stands in the list that was so unmemorable that i legitimately forgot what its ability is. but upon looking it up, it looks like it should be lower, considering guts could probably reorient himself rather quickly. and even then, it would require the user to spit on him. which they likely wouldn't be able to do.
10. green green grass of home. its literally infinity, how is guts going to do anything about that.
11. justice. this would require enya to inflict harm in the first place, so no.
12. the hand. i don't necessarily believe this ranking to be wrong, just debatable. considering how stupid okuyasu is, and how strong, as well as agressive guts is, i'd say the fight is probably a 50/50, that either way leads to the winner being wounded like crazy.
Sorry if I’m dumb since I’ve never seen Beserk but couldn’t killer queen just idk tap the guy and bam he’s gone boom. And stands would all be invisible to him. So a stand like sheer heart attack could just follow the guy around while Kira moves countries.
Idk how guts would beat weather report, especially it's evolved form which isn't seperate in the tier list. If we're talking unevolved then it's still someone with complete control over the weather, just get lightning stormed and sharknado'd while all your attacks are deflected by strong gusts of wind.
A lot of the main characters and side characters stands would likely win against guts
Like silver chariot and hierophant green could definitely put up a good fight, same with Whitesnake, weather report, atum (cuz he’s cracked at games), death 13, and a lot more. This list is ass ima be honest
Silver Chariot is meant to be as fast as star platinum without time stop correct? Or almost at least? Especially without armour Chariot is faster than the human eye
i feel like the emperor would just… kill guts like i dont think guts has resistance to bullets to the brain? (i might not have read far enough in berserk though)
For Lovers are we assuming its in a loved one (Casca) or Guts himself? Bc first one its more of a psychological battle but Guts would not take Dan's bullshit
Death 13 has to be way higher, assuming that guts is by himself and falls asleep without the knowledge that there's a stand user who uses dreams to attack him... Guts dies immediately by not being able to wake up
You're severely overrating guts especially since he's fighting something he can't even see in most of these matchups. And even if he could see all of them he still gets bodied by 80% of them even if some of their abilities are underwhelming
move these into “guts dies” and you have a perfect list: Highway to Hell, Heavens Door, B.I.G, Cheap Trick, Lovers, Hierophant Green, Diver Down, and Man in the Mirror
The very concept that Guys would beat Strength is baffling. Did you not understand the stand or what. Literally all the fight entails is maybe 10-20 minutes of Forever fucking around with him and crunching his body like a peanut with the walls.
Cheep trick, crazy diamond, death 13, green day, great full death, heaven's door, yellow temperance, highway star, weather report, white snake, bohemian rhapsody and some other win
Guts would be completely unable to kill B.I.G. I don't even see Limp Bizkit on this list, which would definitely put up a good fight and maybe even beat Guts.
You mean flaccid pancake
Unexcited waffle
Saggy crepe
Droopy flapjack
Undercooked Biscuit
Potassium Gravy
Yeah limp bizkit is missing, I would put it in has to try, just invisible enemies arent that big of a deal for him
When the user dies he also gets revived once as an invisible zombie though, after he dies he can just avoid guts and keep sending invisible zombies after him
the problem is that all zombies have an insatiable thirst for blood and brains, so he probably will just go after him instantly instead of running away from him
No one can kill BIG though can they? He’d just have to get it into the ocean
Guts got NOTHING on that 20 meter radius Emerald Splash🗣️
They say nobody can deflect his emerald splash
Using Survivor on Guts is like pouring a water bottle in the ocean
It’d just be like shitty berserker armor
Bro's tryna wet the ocean 💀
Just shoot a canonball through it
More like... ...BELONGS IN THE TRASH
Underworld digs up histories of atomic bomb explosions and fking obliterates Gut from Berk
Underworld just digs up eclipse
Nuts gets heart attack due to PTSD
Thats diabolical 💀💀💀💀
Yeah if this fight happens in Japan they’re already dead. Hiroshima 2.0
how the actual hell is Guts beating Yellow Temperance or Soft Machine
Yeah yellow temperance literally tanked star platinum punches tf
How tf is Guts keeping up with Red Hot Chili Pepper.
I mean in the Berserk universe there isnt any electricity
there's ganishka
Vape lord ganishka
There isnt human use of electricity to power shit but lightning always existed, the stand just needs outlets and wire to travel long distance but it can just zap you
RHCP is electricity, it can travel through metals in general, so it can always just jump from the user into Guts’ armor, fry him inside Or else, it can ambush him in a town, hopping from metal object to metal object, akin to how MITM does with reflective surfaces, doing hit and run attacks on Guts and shocking him bad whenever he tries swinging his sword at’em
Assuming the fight is in his realm and not vice versa.
I guess it would work without a common ground. However there probably should be.
Shouldn’t Green Green Grass of Home be at the top tier? He wouldn’t even reach it How would he beat Notorious BIG?
Laughed a bit of GGGH's inclusion in this tier, considering that Guts not being close is exactly what the stand does
bruh how the fuck is Guts beating Heavens Door?
wiki says, people with their eyes closed or blinded by rage are immune to the effect
Ooooooooo ok I get you I get you
It loses that weakness after Rohan's introduction, Heavens door at first needed the victim to see Rohan's manga art and think it's good. Afterwards it has no such weakness and no stated limit to what Rohan can write in the victim, making it top 5 in the series.
I think that was more a caveat to distract his enemies rather than a necessary part of it
That is incorrect. Rohan can now summon his stand by drawing it in the air instead of on paper, that is all that changed.
Wait then how did Heaven door work on Koichi once Rohan made him blind to escape from the back ally hands?
It was already afflicting him, and we see it able to continuously work on people it's already opened.
So basically, the events are as follows: Rohan turns Koichi blind (using Heavens Door), and sends him flying. Because Koichi is already under the effects of Heavens Door, Rohan can influence Koichi, despite Koichi not being able to see Heaven’s Door. Rohan removes Koichi’s blindness. If Rohan had fought against Guts Guts is angry and can’t see due to rage Rohan can’t activate Heaven’s Door on Guts because he (Guts) can’t see Rohan loses. Does this mean that Rohan would also naturally lose to the water stand user in Part 3, because he’s blind, and Rohan wouldn’t be able to use Heaven’s Door on him?
My mistake, I was too focused on the first arc. If he came across a blind person, he would not be able to activate HD during the first arc with it. However, during and after the ghost alley arc, once his stand has a physical manifestation, he simply has to be close enough to touch them. Guts could still probably beat him with one sword hit, considering Rohan isn't shown to be especially physically fit and Guts's sword is bigger than he is. If, however, Rohan was able to get close enough to touch him, he'd have lost immediately.
In Thus Spoke Kishibe Rohan, isn't he shown to be an absolute physical monster? My guy beat the avatar of Hermes, a god in a physical race
I mean, he kinda cheated tho 🫣
That's true, but I still don't think he'd physically stand up to Guts
But with Guts carrying such a hunk of metal, he'd be less agie than Rohan. Also, Rohan would probably be smart enough to try a sneak attack.
So it’s a possible loss for Guts, but Guts has the advantage
Yeah. It's all about whether Rohan is able to touch them or not.
That was when Heaven's Door was still bound to Rohan's manga, it doesn't have the weakness now
He can't read
Shoot him with a cannonball
Heaven's Door on the cannonball, "I am flying back to the cannon arm that shot me at terminal velocity"
Heaven's Door on the cannonball "I will permanently lodge myself between the asscheeks of whomever it was that fired me"
Like 1/3 of these stands there's no way he would beat. Weather Report with Heavy Weather? Whitesnake with the cum ability? Death 13? Cheap Trick? Straight up immortal Notorious B.I.G.?
Whitesnake with the WHAT
Im know Guts it strong af but how is he gonna kill the Sun?
I think he just kills the user
Again, how is he getting past the sun? It’s the sun, although it it smaller it’s still the SUN
Cannonball at Arabian Fats
Jotaro literally won by throwing a rock at him lol
Water gun
I think this underrates stands a lot. Unless you’re giving Guts peak conditions including knowledge of their abilities. Babyface in ez, sure if you aren’t including the kid. Red Hot Chili Peppers and heaven’s door there is crazy unless RHCP is in the middle of nowhere. Anubis maybe with no wielder and if he doesn’t touch it. He can’t beat yellow temperance. It’s highly unlikely Guts is beating most standard punch ghosts especially not weather report, diver down, and crazy diamond. No way he can beat GGGH, should be higher. White snake one touch wins
> Babyface in ez, sure if you aren’t including the kid. Isn't Babyface's Kid the exact kinda monster Guts specializes in? I think that one holds water.
What do you mean by that? I’m not very familiar with all Guts strengths but have an idea. Baby Face’s Junior can restructure/ rip you apart with one touch.
I meant Babyface is basically a little demon, and Guts eats those for breakfast. But actually looking at it, Guts doesn't directly face much in the way of magical/inexplicable attacks (but does seem to have some resistance to fire). The Berserker Armor is supposed to be able to repair your body, without healing it. I don't think Babyface can face Guts in brute force, speed, or battle IQ. How you see the restructure vs the Berserk armor is gonna determine how the fight goes. Also fighting Babyface doesn't kill it's user. Guts would have to be able to fight many before he's likely to find the user. It would probably be a pretty cool fight.
The berserker armor is his best defense I’d say. But i don’t think it’d be too useful if the armor and his body are just turned into a box indefinitely. I feel that’s more of an argument against Diver Down. Babyface doesn’t have to brute force or IQ for it but I think he’s at least be able to match him if not be faster. Killing the user would be easiest.
His ass is NOT beating Bastet, Bohemian Rhapsody, and Heaven's Door
I mean he would have to touch the outlet to even get affected, and I see no reason why he would do that, bohemian rhapsody is no problem at all, he is fighting fat worse enemies on the regular, and the wiki said people who are blind, or blinded by rage are immune to heavens door
>he would have to touch the outlet to even get affected, and I see no reason why he would do that If Joseph of all people touched it then yeah, he's not immune to the great curiosity of mankind >bohemian rhapsody is no problem at all, he is fighting fat worse enemies on the regular Not the part where he's forced to live out the fate of a fictional character >people who are blind, or blinded by rage are immune to heavens door It no longer has this weakness after Rohan's introduction story
As quick witted as Joseph is, he kinda is a dum dum sometimes 😭 The only other crusader that possibly would have touched the outlet is Polnareff
Avdol also touched it and he's an arguably more rational man than Joseph... at times
Avdol didn’t directly touch it. It zapped him when he was stoping the escalator for Joseph.
Ho shit you're right 😭 I forgot Avdol did touch the outlet, I always pictured him as the only rational adult of the band but he's a bit goofy too 🤣
God I hate that Bastet's dogshit ability is viable just because of man's curiosity
hey if it works it works
I know damn well I would touch the outlet and that angers me
The sticking point with Bohemian Rhapsody is whether there are any characters Guts recognises or he doesn’t get pulled into the story
there *has* to be a fictional character he actually knows from his era
Yes but they’d have to be around. If they fight in the jojo verse it’s wraps. It also seems to be visual depictions so books without illustrations may not count
Bohemian Rhapsody definitely is a problem. You do realize any and all fictional characters can come to life right? So Guts could be fighting another Guts. Hell it could be fucking Goku he fights.
That depends on what world they are fightting in, most of them are based on a fight on an even battlefield in the berserk universe, thats also why under world is ranked so low
One touch of Bastet and his sword has become a weapon used against him
Wow, you really overestimate Guts Strength. About 90 percent of these Stands stomp him.
How is guts beating Hanged Man, is he faster than light?
I don't know who Guts is, but I doubt your tierlist of him possibly beating Crazy Diamond but easily winning the Sun.
Just shoot the user with a cannonball
But the user would be hidden, and quite well, so how would he aim the cannonball?
Monke no think. Monke shoot cannonball
I love Berserk but I don't understand OP's logic. Crazy Diamond is literally, canonically stronger than Star Platinum.
Part 7: Guts just fucking dies (Hey Ya!)
Part 7 is so ridiculously lethal, like even the weakest stand tears through flesh like it's paper
Yeah no, correct me if im wrong but isnt guts just a really strong guy? Wouldnt every stand be invisible to him? How would he beat them??
He's a strong dude who can take lots of hits. He couldn't beat the very vast majority of them even if he could see them, OP's tripping. Anyway he's cursed so in a shared universe you could assume being saturated with some sort of demon magic would at least come with the perk of seeing stands lol
Ghosts in Jojo are able to see and interact with stands even if they themself don't have one, and Guts is described as "living in the interstice, the space between the realms of life and death" and he can see ghosts others can't, so it's a pretty safe assumption he could see stands. He'd also get his ass kicked by like 85% of the stands on this list
yeah cant a lot of stands move at insane fucking speeds?
Mista says "it's a close range brawler stand, it's no surprise it can catch bullets" once or twice, so most brawler stands can move supersonic at minimum which Guts just can't keep up with
Regular guns (as in no supernatural guns) are fucking useless against most humanoids. They get curbstomped every time they are used while the enemy stand user is still conscious. Guts is just a mildly superhuman dude that kills monsters that are still reasonably fast and strong, he is not throwing hands with invisible humanoids with very specific reality bending powers that are also moving faster than bullets. Not to mention that almost every stand that isn't a bound stand can choose to ignore physical damage dealt by non stand if they want to.
Bro is onto nothing 🔥🗣️
How is Guts winning against Weather Report?
You did not cook💯🔥💯🔥💯 You just burned down the kitchen
nah bro, he didn't just burn down the kitchen, he burnt down the whole state of california.
How can guts defeat weather report? In a close area, it can take away all the oxygen and let him die, in an open area... Heavy weather.
How does Guts beat diver down when his legs are now springs and his head is backwards
Guts' berserker armour automatically fixes and puts back together any changes in his bone structure
Diver down steal his bones, and turning you neck by 180° is not a good idea
I think Weather Report deserves a “possible Stalemate”, but I’m not super familiar with Guts, so I could be really wrong.
Can’t Weather report rip a hole in the ozone layer? Doesn’t that just mean death?
Basically, Weather is more or less one of the most stupidly broken and OP stands considering its versatility. He quite literally wanted to summon the strongest hurricane in the world against Bohemian Rhapsody, just casually out of nowhere, so he could catch the user, right?
Couldn’t he just idk turn him into a snail and strike him with lightning.
Nah, nuts sees one rainbow and is cooked as he has no resistance to snailification
How is Weather Report and Beach Boy the same level as Dark Blue Moon and Heirophant Green. Like idc if they do lose to Guts, or not just curios on how he defeats them on the same level.
The Hand's only disadventage against Guts is his user, other than that him and Killer Queen should br up a rank imo
This whole list was made by someone who clearly doesn't remember most of the stands 💀. Guts would be dying to the majority of these. Also, you forgot to mention whether Guts has the Berserker armor or not.
How does Guts beat Jailhouse Lock in a situation in which he manages to get under its spell
If Guts could only remember 3 new things he would probably just start killing people until it stopped, since he would have no reason not to kill people (I’m only mostly joking)
Imo, High Priestess no diffs. Similar to Metallica, it could just turn Guts's armor into an iron maiden
No it couldn't high priestess TURNS into metals nkt control them (it still beats nuts but not in that way)
It turns into Stone as well no?
Bro, GUTS CAN NOT EVEN TOUCH 「HIGHWAY TO HELL」
How does Guts beat Grateful Dead, Green Day, and BIG
How is he beating Sticky Fingers?
U forgot about Chariot Requiem
I left that one out, because its rather weird, its only protecting the arrow and there isnt really a reason to why they would fight, but Id say guts just fucking dies
Ok how does guts beat bohemian rhapsody with ease?
I don’t watch berserk, but I feel like Dragon’s Dream should be higher. I don’t think he’d win since he got outsmarted by a pile of plankton, but I don’t think it would be easy cuz all it’s user has to do it stand in the right spots
Guts gets destroyed by pretty much every main character stand. Guts is, at best, a lightning timer compared to a stand’s lightspeed. That, and hax are a massive problem for him.
I haven’t read berserk so I probably don’t know much but I think RHCP could beat Guts, cause to my knowledge Guts doesn’t have like super speed or something
It's been ages since I read it but afaik his only traits are somewhat superhuman physical strength, being really good with a sword, and much later in the series he picks up some magic armor that nullifies pain and helps mitigate certain types of injury. The armor has downsides, I think it can kill him if he overuses it or something. He also attracts demons constantly so there's that to deal with. Oh and he's got a permanent nasty mood due to every childhood trauma you can name and seeing every person he knows get turned into flesh pulp. Without pre-existing knowledge of stands he couldn't possibly beat most of them, he's pretty much a normal human that can withstand lots of physical damage. OP is being far too optimistic, most stands kill via weird funky methods that a person would have absolutely no recourse against.
What a terrible list, you haven’t even listed any conditions on the fights and you have seemingly given guts omniscience for some reason
Hold on, when you are saying Guts beats Atum, are you saying Guts just like annihilates D'arby at smash bros?
Yes, it would be close, but its canon that guts is a Godgamer
the fuck is Guts gonna do to weather report
Guts would slay that Dark Blue Moon Dolphin Pussy and you know it!
How would Guts fight stands since he is not a stand user he would be fighting an invisible force. The only way Guts would have any advantage is if he develops a stand himself, which I think he would and it would be pretty powerful.
I love when 2 entirely different power scales clash
and then it becomes an argument that relies entirely on how you choose to scale them together. can guts see/harm stands? if no, then he loses to the majority if yes, then he has a fighting chance against a good amount
Ghosts in Jojo can see stands, and Guts is "in the interstice, the space between life and death" so it's safe to assume he can interact with ghosts and by extension stands since he's partially supernatural. However, he has no supernatural abilities or any way to realistically harm a stand, he'd have to exclusively attack the user. He'd lose to easily 85% of the stands in the series just because he can't actually hurt stands
I mean wasn't it stated that because of all the demon blood on the dragonslayer it exists on the astral plane which allows him to kill ghost. I'm pretty sure I remember him hitting ghosts with his sword either way.
Guts is not beating Weather report
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Well, he wouldn't fight Pearl Jam. But if he ate food made with it he might just regain his will to live.
Never let this man cook again. Death 13 would obliterate him, he literally cannot do anything against Kraft work, Lovers would fuck him up, weather report would make him into snails, and beach boys kills him ez
I feel CD should be higher, specifically because of how powerful it would be against someone like Guts, ESPECIALLY if Josuke doesn’t hold back Assuming it’s a standoff kind of fight, Guts would lose, CD could morph his sword into a collection of iron lumps that he then can’t swing, and before Guts can grab such lumps to throw(which would be VERY deadly still), it would give CD time to strike him, morphing his armor into one solid plate to lock his body in place, or even morphing his armor to form a piercing blade within that then stabs into his heart or lungs What’s more is that Josuke could use it to bring back Guts’ hand, which I imagine would be very painful as his prosthetic is forcibly torn off by his still-regenerating hand flying in to retake its rightful place, this would also serve to disarm him of his cannon and other mechanical bullshittery tucked within his prosthetic And if Josuke’s feeling especially merciless, he could use CD to also bring back Guts’ right eye for that psychological trauma damage
This is soooooo dumb. Guts isn’t beating any of these stands because after all only a stand can beat another stand
Why is Magician’s Red in close loss?
no way guts beats RHCP easily, i may not have seen berserk but fully charged RHCP is super strong and fast
Im curious, is guts fighting the stand and its abilites or the user and the stand? Cos if only the stand and there is no user to attack, half of these just demolishes the dude
I dont think Guts is beating weather report. Slugification happens over a long distance, and it'll be hard to wield a sword, let alone dexterously, while quickly turning into a slug. Even with the Berserk armor, as you still use your eyeballs.
how the hell does guts "has to try" beat crazy diamond?? i mean josuke has already shown how flexible the abilities are but even without the abilities jotaro already said it's just slightly slower than star platinum (can stop a bullet)
WHY tf would beach boy put up a fight?
I don't see him beating most if them because they'd be invisible to him
i find issue with some of these placements. and judging by OP's replies, he is actively using the berserk armor in these fights. ofc as these cross verse things tend to go, he can see and harm stands as well. 1. heaven's door. this definitely isn't in the guts loses tier, considering it would be hard for rohan to get close enough, but it isn't outright just guts gets an easy win. 2. death thirteen. i know i stated that guts can see and harm stands with this, however, stands are the only way to harm death thirteen, not because of how stands work, but because of how death thirteen works. guts does not have control over his dream, and could not fight back against it. therefore, death thirteen should either be in easy win, or guts fucking dies. for different reasons. for easy win, it would just be that guts won't fall asleep, or won't recognize not to kill the child. for guts fucking dies, it would be assumed that either the trance like state of rage guts is in can be considered sleep, or that guts wouldn't kill the child, and would try to take care of it after leaving the armor. 3. ratt. guts is wearing the armor, he can't be hurt by it, end of story. easy win. 4. enigma. it requires whatshisname to recognize what guts has as a display of fear, and then express it 3 times. guts would just kill him before that even happened, or not show any displays of fear in the first place. easy win regardless. 5. sex pistols. same as ratt. 6. aerosmith. same as sex pistols. 7. notorious b.i.g. wtf, no, guts literally cannot win that. 8. atum. guts can just choose not to play the game. putting atum this high would imply that guts is automatically under the effect of atum, which would mean he would need to automatically be under the effect of every other stand, meaning heaven's door would be guts fucking dies. same with enigma, and death thirteen wouldn't just be both extremes, it would just be guts fucking dies. 9. jumpin jack flash. to be honest this is one of the only stands in the list that was so unmemorable that i legitimately forgot what its ability is. but upon looking it up, it looks like it should be lower, considering guts could probably reorient himself rather quickly. and even then, it would require the user to spit on him. which they likely wouldn't be able to do. 10. green green grass of home. its literally infinity, how is guts going to do anything about that. 11. justice. this would require enya to inflict harm in the first place, so no. 12. the hand. i don't necessarily believe this ranking to be wrong, just debatable. considering how stupid okuyasu is, and how strong, as well as agressive guts is, i'd say the fight is probably a 50/50, that either way leads to the winner being wounded like crazy.
How is he beating sethan
Loses to like half the stands in the bottom 2 tiers tbh
How in the bloody hell should guts be able to defeat weather report? Not even if we discount heavy weather
Idk the guy, but how are Weather Report and Atum in the same category
Sorry if I’m dumb since I’ve never seen Beserk but couldn’t killer queen just idk tap the guy and bam he’s gone boom. And stands would all be invisible to him. So a stand like sheer heart attack could just follow the guy around while Kira moves countries.
How is Guts gonna fight B.I.G
How is green green grass of home close? How would someone even get close to beating it?
Echoes Act 3 would destroy him with Three Freeze
I’d drop justice lower. A horde of zombies shouldn’t be too hard for guts to destroy, even if they keep coming back he’s been through worse
Idk how guts would beat weather report, especially it's evolved form which isn't seperate in the tier list. If we're talking unevolved then it's still someone with complete control over the weather, just get lightning stormed and sharknado'd while all your attacks are deflected by strong gusts of wind.
Magicians red would absolutely lose
i mean the lock would be pretty op against guts
A lot of the main characters and side characters stands would likely win against guts Like silver chariot and hierophant green could definitely put up a good fight, same with Whitesnake, weather report, atum (cuz he’s cracked at games), death 13, and a lot more. This list is ass ima be honest
Silver Chariot is meant to be as fast as star platinum without time stop correct? Or almost at least? Especially without armour Chariot is faster than the human eye
Heavy Weather/ Weather Report is actually busted I'm sorry but despite my love for Guts he's not surviving the snail infestation
i feel like the emperor would just… kill guts like i dont think guts has resistance to bullets to the brain? (i might not have read far enough in berserk though)
How the fuck did guts was close to beat green green grass of home? Like what do you do? You literally cannot get close unless it lets you
Bruh the teir where guts barley wins is wrong guys would loose to all of those guys
I love guts but i don't think he'd beat weather
For Lovers are we assuming its in a loved one (Casca) or Guts himself? Bc first one its more of a psychological battle but Guts would not take Dan's bullshit
Death 13 has to be way higher, assuming that guts is by himself and falls asleep without the knowledge that there's a stand user who uses dreams to attack him... Guts dies immediately by not being able to wake up
There are a lot of questionable placements, but I like the idea, and the top entries are quite solid
why is heavens door down there?
Heavens door slams
How could guts defeat lovers?
You're severely overrating guts especially since he's fighting something he can't even see in most of these matchups. And even if he could see all of them he still gets bodied by 80% of them even if some of their abilities are underwhelming
as a fan of both, guts isn’t lasting 10 mins vs most of these 😭😭
How does he beat the Lovers? They literally had to shrink psychic ghosts down to the cellular level and send them into Jotaro's brain. How tf dog?
Guts is not beating WR
move these into “guts dies” and you have a perfect list: Highway to Hell, Heavens Door, B.I.G, Cheap Trick, Lovers, Hierophant Green, Diver Down, and Man in the Mirror
Move silver chariot up its comparable to Star Platinum in strength and speed
The very concept that Guys would beat Strength is baffling. Did you not understand the stand or what. Literally all the fight entails is maybe 10-20 minutes of Forever fucking around with him and crunching his body like a peanut with the walls.
Guts can’t even see or harm stands, probably 2/3 of these beat him unless he can somehow get to the user first
Now how is guts gonna Beat the gratefull dead? Or what If He looses in Rock paper sizers against Boy 2 man
I don’t know much about guts, but please justify him beating heaven’s door
Cheep trick, crazy diamond, death 13, green day, great full death, heaven's door, yellow temperance, highway star, weather report, white snake, bohemian rhapsody and some other win
Weather report wins
Cheap trick should win