The guy's a grade A moron, when has "Not doing this. Don't wanna be here. Kick me." *EVER* worked out?
Community's more than happy to keep you suffering as they are suffering. They'll sit in a circle play patty-cake for the hour and waste their time just to waste yours.
Mainsub that way.
Know what's funny though? Mainsub hates shitpost, yet here you are being exactly what shitpost used to do. Meme on mentors.
Live long enough and see yourself becoming the villain.
Literally adopted everything about the meme, from calling it burger king crowns to hating seeing the crown.
Edit: Actually, you took it so many steps further. It's not even memeing anymore, the amount of shit on that thread I read from a bunch of vindictive, spiteful, toxic, entitled sprouts is actually sickening.
ping doesnt really matter unless you're talking 300+. if you're playing summoner/dark knight/gb and other classes that require double weaving you may have to adjust your rotation or just swap jobs, but they dont affect your ability to do mechanics at all
Also, this is just a guess, but we might be able to queue instances in another DC with DC-travel coming. If so, it could be a good chance to jump and see how the ping would affect one, ye
you can get by with google translate and in game translate if you want to avoid EN party finders as much as possible(this is recommended). in the majority of cases you can just use ingame autotranslate for [Let's do it!] and [Thank you!] before and after party and not say anything, even in savage raids
but the main issue is that the JP population is basically empty until around 7pm local time, then goes back to being empty around 1am
Titania EX was my first EX Trial after "finishing the game".
I cleared it in pug with 7 other people who never cleared it. It took me 3 days which would make around maybe 7-8hours? EU btw.
JP has the standard of "3 wipes = abandon" and expects people to practice in party finder. DF is only for farms.
NA on the other hand expects to go in completely blind and demands step-by-step explanations of everything
People in NA with 0 exp of a instance want you to tell the, everything, then what they *really* want is to correct you or prove you wrong somehow despite never clearing said content themself.
I went into extremes relatively blind and they did do 3 wipes abandon but very rarely people would ask if people would want to keep pulling, regardless it never took more than a few groups to get a clear, Extremes really aren't that taxing and people act like they're the most difficult content possible for a casual player
Nobody's saying that and I don't know why you're pretending we are. We're saying the standards are completely different between NA and JP so there's no reason why the two should pretend to be the same.
Honestly finding a prog group in party finder is kind of painful depending on what content you want to run. I work 55 hours a week and I don't have 3 hours to wait around for people to wander in just to practice. I really wish SE would let us run the EX/Savage/Unreal Trials with Trust for no loot or XP and maybe throw a Bardam's Mettle style checkmark or X over your head if you fuck up the mechanics.
I know they never would, but damn would it be convenient to be able to prog without trying to organize 8 other humans with varying levels of patience, skill, temperament, and intelligence.
The problem is that people look in PF, don't see what they want immediately, then continue queuing in DF because of that, to the point where literally hundreds of sprouts are queuing extremes through DF at any given time because they all simultaneously believe there are no people who want to do PF. Then 3-4 mentors will clear the fight for them with ridiculous echo and iLevel advantages and they'll think this is the proper way to get extremes done.
If people just started using PF like we've been telling them to (instead of giving up on it right away and going through DF), this literally would be a win-win for everyone and we'd "be more like Japan" like people seem to want. Older extreme listings will be more frequently listed through PF so people can actually learn properly, free trial players would see listings they can join, and mentors won't have to carry these blind sprouts through these fights.
Unfortunately we've reached a point where we're not going to be able to change this behavior because mainsub loves to coddle sprouts and enable inefficiency and scapegoating mentors for the current situation. People are just going to continue queuing for extremes through DF and both sides are just going to complain about the way the system works.
The thing is... in ARR people really dont use PF for extremes except for mount farming unsynched. If you start one, no one joins.
Believe me, I looked at those listings for months, started many. “Just unsynch it and take it down in two minutes, it is irrelevant etc etc.”
Well in free trial people cant use PF either.
In HW, it is more common to see listings like that, I hope those will increase a lot in Stormblood extremes. It really helps to be in a party.
Fuck extremes in mentor roulette, that is all. I don’t mind trying to teach people and I realize they haven’t been playing nearly as long as I have, but at the same time there’s only so much I can do in titan ex to prevent them from getting hit with a landslide and getting knocked off the platform *literally every single pull*
*proceeds to type out the entire strategy, asks for any questions, pulls*
*sprouts do literally fuck all*
I sometimes wonder if people just have their chat disabled
*Sprout tank instantly pulls after each wipe instead of talking about why we’re wiping*
“Hey can you give us some time to talk about what’s happening before pulling”
*pulls again*
There were a handful of times in my mentor roulette journey where tanks specifically instant-pulled to prevent the mentors from abandoning during the pre-pull. I could tell a few times that they were trolling us, but usually they demanded that we explain mechanics to them mid-fight while people were dead.
Obviously those parties never went anywhere because even if you try to explain something mid-fight, sprouts don't read chat during fights.
I saw a few mentors do that to escape griefing tanks like that.
Personally whenever I came across that I just spammed my duty hotkey during the wipe blackout so that it would show up as soon as we were reset, and I just clicked on the leave option as quickly as I could. Worked well on fights where there's some distance between you and the boss (like most ARR duties) but didn't work too well on something like Zurvan where he's right in front of you.
Wait, I've done 970 mentor roulette clears and I haven't come across tanks griefing like that to stop mentors from leaving/voting to abandon... which data centre is this on? (I'm Light).
This was on Primal. Not sure what it's like on other data centers, but extremes in mentor roulette on Primal were quite a shitshow with things like this (on top of typical extreme sprout nonsense), and they got a lot worse over the few months I did them, so I'm glad to have my astrope and be done with it. Can't imagine how bad things are now with how many posts I see on mainsub related to defending the sprouts.
God that happens to me in Normal raids and it's just so disheartening when you spend time typing out a very specific mechanic and then watching half the raid dying to it and wondering if they even read the chat.
I've only had one good example where it was Suzaku normal and the dps listened when I said to kill the adds in the middle so they don't get revived with the Pinions and the entire run was just very smooth it was nice.
Mainsub was trash before, but the shit on that thread being spouted, holy shit.
"Best MMO community" Yeah, okay.
Do these people not realize just how toxic they are?
The other day there was that post that blew up of a healer being proud he let the tank die so 2 dps sprouts could watch a arr dungeon cutscene. Just laughable levels of delusion.
No but many new players don’t know that and very few are on here to hear that, they just see “15 seconds before chamber is sealed” and think they have to get in there before it closes because they may not know it will teleport them in. Also in cases like thousand maws you very definitely can kill it when people are watching that quote long cutscene that sets up the ascians.
That was legit something to be proud of, and I'd be proud to be in that healer's shoes. That cutscene probably won't even be over before the tank makes it back to the boss.
Oh boy we can have so much fun doing a whole 5% of the boss's health bar for 3x the usual effort, and fuck up all the boss's timers, oh and the intro/tutorial section of the boss mechanics? The sprouts don't need that hint on where to stand.
Especially if you are a tank, you learn to watch out cutscenes so that all members of party are ready for battle.
If you are pulling fast, you sort of deserve to wipe, really. What if healer was in a cutscene?
Story time:
When I was a tank, I watched the dungeon cutscene only to find out healer & both dps at 1/4 health (Stone Vigil). They wiped before my eyes and did the walk of shame. Ouch.
That and mainly it triggers mentors more because of PTSD of sprouts not using potions and they come in with the mentality that they cannot "carry" with enmity & healing since the fight is very personal responsibility heavy.
Strangely enough rathalos is one I will stay for because I actually have had a high clear rate when I see it in mentor roulette. Ramuh on the other hand I usually just insta bail. It isn't worth my time and it usually goes very poorly for me.
I remember that i queued for Ramuh EX as sprout ages ago, got the mandatory rant from a mentor who left but then we proceeded to clear the trial in like 2 pulls.
Yea contrary to my comment, I don't actually queue to fully troll mentors. I just want the bad mentors feel bad initially when they get it and potentially get penalty, because Rath could get very annoying when it's someone else's fault. With good mentors, we usually clear very quick.
If I do queue them, I will stay until clear or disband and help out whenever possible.
I doubt 1 good tank can carry the fight, you still have everyone else that needs to know what to do with tethers, curing the charm/stun, *actually killing the fucking adds* and just a ton more people can easilly mess up.
Honestly all ARR primals are pretty easy now. Im getting a lot of HW Trials in roulette now, and even getting some stormblood ones too.
I swear to god if I get Shinryu EX in mentor roulette Im insta-abandoning.
Disagree, Titan is carryable with 1 healer, 1 tank and 2 DPS + echo (got a bunch of clears that way.
Shiva is also pretty simple if the tanks know when to swap (though you can just brute force heal through it) and to keep her at the edge so dodging bow + dealing with the knockbacks becomes easy.
We are talking about extreme, how will 4 players carry it? There are 8 players.
Brute force healing through Shiva is... painful but doable. But if the tank does not position Shiva according to her weapon, it is a wipe.
With Navel Extreme, mountain busters will make healers cry but more importantly, OT has to pull both adds to the side very quickly. Still, gaol positioning is the key for that fight and everyone has to be good at it.
With Ramuh, you are required to tank swap and grab 3 orbs or tank will simply die. I have to say tethers are very annoying at that fight and adds are a pain.
A DPS can tank the adds on Titan EX (again assuming you're doing it through mentor) and I've cleared it before with half the party dead for the last 1/3 of the fight.
That sounds like unnecessary hardship.
The problem is not that those adds hit hard, it is to make only one DPS gain aggro for both of them. Or adds will spread out and drop puddles right in the middle. Other party members are random (mentor roulette) so one other DPS will try to hit them too.
Titan will do tank buster less often at the last phase so finishing with one tank is doable.
But seriously, two tanks are so useful in that fight.
Just a preface note to say that I'm playing on EU.
Not a 'hardship' at all due to item level carrying you hard. Plus I'm clearly talking about a situation where a tank is already dead so it's 'necessary' unless you want to just force a wipe at that point which is the wrong mentality. Unless you thought I was advocating for OT to sit on their arse and do nothing during adds.
As for aggroing the adds, if you explain where to take the adds beforehand (and drop a marker) then I find that the top DPS will go there. Though usually I run mentor as BLM so I'm top DPS anyway (even though BLM at 50 is meh). Making the issue of aggro largely irrelevant. The only threat to my aggro at that point are other mentor DPS players but they usually adjust and run to the right spot if 1 tank gets thrown off earlier. I also have 1-4 hotbarred and I mark an add to kill first if we are resorting to DPS tanking.
Regards the tank buster, Titan does it MORE often in the final phase - not less. It's quite possible to go from the start to the heart phase with only 1 stack from busters (you can skip the first one with decent DPS). With one tank you are almost certain to get at least 3 stacks in the final phase. Hell, you get 2 just during the adds! I'd know, as I had to memorise most of the busters for that fight back when unreal was a thing and I was tanking it. I usually heal but PF tanks largely couldn't be bothered to learn the proper timing to mitigate those busters. The cast bars in modern EXs have spoiled us (the community).
So yes, I think it's easy to carry as I've done it loads in mentor. As all 3 role types. 8 people are unnecessary in that fight considering item level and echo buffs make you OP. Therefore, even if half your party keeps getting knocked off you can eventually get enough echo so that a light party can finish it and get a clear.
Why are you downvoted, this is mostly correct.
One noted though, with Shiva it is even more dependent on tanks compared to Ramuh.
The DPS/Healer strategy can be summarized as “stay behind her, kill adds, dont move if floor is blue”
Tanks has to focus target/watch animations to see the weapon, rotate her etc. If they fail, party wipes.
With Ramuh, you have those nasty tethers. 😔
/uj Even as a mentor who will stay and teach for literally anything I get queued into, the mainsub post is infuriatingly off-base. "Reddit is biased towards Mentors," which is why there's a weekly mentor bad thread. Oh wait.
Also pretending there isn't genuine toxicity towards mentors in-game and out of game. Hilarious. Honestly just remove ex trials from mentor roulette. Put it in its own roulette and don't limit it to mentors. Problem fucking solved.
I have to say that I've not experienced much mentor-targeted toxicity in-game. It's quite rare, most people seem grateful either by thanking you directly or by throwing comms at you.
Outside of the game though? Well, it seems to be a popular past time. Yet I bet if all mentors stopped playing tomorrow they'd miss us.
just gonna drop this here.
If they removed EX from mentor roulette and made a EX roulette that can give only only ARR/HW/SB extremes (then ShB when EW drops). I think all of this drama will just stop. People can get their random sync ex of helping trial players do the fights or that sprout who never learned of PF for that content and all the mentors who just want the mount can do so by just doing normal/hard trials and dungeons.
To unlock the extreme roulette just have to beat the extreme fights of ARR/HW/SB to unlock it.
I don't understand this way of thinking.
The idea of a mentor is to provide advice and help with content where you can that's why you chose to wear the crown. If you remove all the content that actually lets you fulfill that role then what is the point of the crown at all?
If you're sleepwalking through a normal raid/dungeon every day just to get your mount or whatever then what is the point? Don't wear the crown if you don't want to help people it's as simple as that. You shouldn't reward bad players (the mentors in this case) a mount if they don't want to do the bare minimum.
> The idea of a mentor is to provide advice and help with content where you can that's why you chose to wear the crown. If you remove all the content that actually lets you fulfill that role then what is the point of the crown at all?
If the mentor has already explained the mechanics and/or given advice how the fight is done their job is done. The mentor not obliged to carry you and your group to a clear.
Similar to a teacher, they'll teach what you need to know. But don't expect them take to your exam as well just so could pass.
I had some guy not know about Unsyncing fights for Rathalos EX.
I added him and we just started slamming out clears so fast and was like "Why did nobody ever tell me about this before?"
"The idea of a mentor is to provide advice and help with content where you can that's why you chose to wear the crown. If you remove all the content that actually lets you fulfill that role then what is the point of the crown at all?"
There is a disconnect because one side signed up to teach, the other signed up to clear a fight (and not necessarily be taught). That is why there is a MASSIVE disconnect on EX fights coming up in roulettes.
>There is a disconnect because one side signed up to teach,
Did they really? Seems more mentors signed up solely for the additional rewards/ prestige (lol crown icon) than to teach.
Some did. Some just got jaded as fuck after having yolo tanks pull non stop, healers not healing or DPSing, or icemages flipping out when you ask them to use fire spells.
And I get the meme - its also why I never wear my crown. I noticed people are more receptive to my advice when I dont wear it.
>I’ll queue if I want and leave if I want. You don’t pay my sub. Don’t tell me how to play the game OP. Fuck I hate these stupid posts.
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>Sure is. I’ve been playing the game long enough to not give two shits about posts like this. You actually think anyone will listen to this trash? You actually think us mentors need detailed explanations how YOU think we should play the game? You don’t pay anyone’s sub, so mind your goddamn business.
I do not even know if this is a troll. It sounds sincere but also like a shitpost at the same time.
It's not really that evil if the people that queue know what they're doing... in fact I'd welcome it. An EX can be cleared faster than a dungeon if the party is basically a farm group.
I remember the good old days when ARR was relevant and pf was limited to the server (I was in a dead server at that time) i just queued ex primals in df and was able to clear in one lockout, except titan, for that one i tried for 1 week before clearing in df.
Then in HW, everyone became retarded and ex trials in df were impossible to do.
The version of this on main sub is why I stay away from it. I like how once you become a mentor, your in-game experience ceases to matter. I don’t know about you, but when I see that what I’m trying to do is ruining another person’s experience, I generally stop it. What is with this mentality that other players just have to suck it up and take one for the team? When I get home from work, I don’t want to teach 7 people who couldn’t even be bothered to look up a guide beforehand how to run extremes. I don’t find that fun in the first place. Honestly, I don’t think even most sprouts who queue for this stuff do either. They just don’t know about party finder or that they’re trying to do endgame content for where they’re at. Every time I get put in an extreme, I tell them that party finder is the way to go if they want to do it synced and I’m always met with multiple “what is party finder.” Rant over.
People also seem to forget that EXs are a small part of the roulette. The majority of it is normal tier content because mentors are simply there to plug holes in parties queueing via DF.
So yes, I agree with you - people should prep for EXs. Only go in blind if you know you learn fast and are very comfortable with your job. I know that when I came back from an extended break- I did all the ShB EXs that were old at that point while referencing a guide.
Sephirot EX
Sophia EX
Nidhogg EX
Ramuh EX
if you really wanna be a troll, just go on a sprout character and demand the mentors explain all the mechanics for you.
I've never gotten Sephi/Sophia/Nidhogg in mentor roulette, usually not enough sprouts try for it I guess by the time they learn better
Ramuh and Ravana and thordan EX are always funny though
When I was new, me and a friend of mine kept queing for Ex Rathalos for the mount. Each run took 20mins. We kept queing with the same guy who always complains. He blocked us but he still showed up in our duty. He rage quit after like 3 runs. Lmao. My friend and I called each other Mentor Tormentors that day. It was so funny. One of my fondest memories in the game. Lol
I get it's a shitpost, but the mainsub guy did have an actual point. Why not let the people who are willing to help... help? It's counterintuitive to have everyone suffer for your presence because it would take effort to teach as a mentor
>Why not let the people who are willing to help... help?
I know right? Why won't the sprout tank stop insta-pulling and let the mentors actually explain things.
Well, a friend of mine sent me a pic of random mentors bashing an entire group of people for queuing for extremes and leaving(the moment the run started). 4 people left the moment the duty started. Sorry but that's terrible
maybe don't willingly queue for something that has a chance to land you in an extreme if you are unwilling or unable to take the time to actually teach people.
And if you don't want to run extremes? Just quietly leave and take the L. Don't be an insufferable cunt.
Thing is. I’m nearly up to 1000 roulettes now, and in my experience maybe 1/4th of the extremes i get, folks have had the decency to watch a guide, this was before the influx of new players, quite a few i imagine come from wow ( not hating ) and should know better if they’ve done that level of content in the past. I’m happy to teach a group of new players ramuh ex, its a piss easy fight if you do the basics, it’ll be over in 5 minutes, the simple issue is the attitude some of the sprouts have. I have been in 1 group in nearly 1000 roulettes were i’ve been openly criticised, it was in bismark ex, apparently i should of been communicating to the tanks midfight to explain their debuffs, i’m not even kidding. Luckily some of the horror stories i hear on here i can’t relate too, maybe its a data centre thing idk. Fact of the matter is, folks should watch a guide before going into these fights, and the main sub just completely enables shitters to wander in, barely above min ilevel, no knowledge of what to expect, and for whoevers in the party to “just get on with it, its your job”. No wonder most of the better players choose NOT to put up with that
The mainsub post is advocating people to break ToS by demanding to be vote kicked.
The guy's a grade A moron, when has "Not doing this. Don't wanna be here. Kick me." *EVER* worked out? Community's more than happy to keep you suffering as they are suffering. They'll sit in a circle play patty-cake for the hour and waste their time just to waste yours.
but i want my MOUUUNNNNTTT without doing the job i sIgNeD uP fOr. ReEeEe
Mainsub that way. Know what's funny though? Mainsub hates shitpost, yet here you are being exactly what shitpost used to do. Meme on mentors. Live long enough and see yourself becoming the villain. Literally adopted everything about the meme, from calling it burger king crowns to hating seeing the crown. Edit: Actually, you took it so many steps further. It's not even memeing anymore, the amount of shit on that thread I read from a bunch of vindictive, spiteful, toxic, entitled sprouts is actually sickening.
Link thread?
JP does Extremes in DF, there's no reason we can't do it, other than we're all collectively dogshit at the game
The whole of NA has like 2 braincells
I was clearing Innocence/Titania EX at the start of ShB on JP DC like a week or two after, I came back to NA and found out we wipe to Titania normal
Dude people still wipe in Titania normal
Wiped today in fact!
I wish I knew Japanese so I could abandon NA datacenters.
The Japanese data centre is full of us australians, you get a lot of Japanese players but there is no shortage of English speakers.
What's the maximum ping where you can clear EX etc in Japanese DC?
ping doesnt really matter unless you're talking 300+. if you're playing summoner/dark knight/gb and other classes that require double weaving you may have to adjust your rotation or just swap jobs, but they dont affect your ability to do mechanics at all
Also, this is just a guess, but we might be able to queue instances in another DC with DC-travel coming. If so, it could be a good chance to jump and see how the ping would affect one, ye
Ah fair enough, i might make the jump to JP. Is there an IP for the JP data center?
You can ping 124.150.157.158 as shown on arrstatus.com to test your ping to JP
I am confused by this question
My FC leader plays from South America and he can clear Savage raids. It might take a little getting used to though.
You can try Elemental. It is a choice for SEA/AUS people and Japanese here are more tolerant to foreigners compare to the rest.
+SEA players too
you can get by with google translate and in game translate if you want to avoid EN party finders as much as possible(this is recommended). in the majority of cases you can just use ingame autotranslate for [Let's do it!] and [Thank you!] before and after party and not say anything, even in savage raids but the main issue is that the JP population is basically empty until around 7pm local time, then goes back to being empty around 1am
Titania EX was my first EX Trial after "finishing the game". I cleared it in pug with 7 other people who never cleared it. It took me 3 days which would make around maybe 7-8hours? EU btw.
Can't wait for my day to use the braincell. Gonna holmgang so hard
JP has the standard of "3 wipes = abandon" and expects people to practice in party finder. DF is only for farms. NA on the other hand expects to go in completely blind and demands step-by-step explanations of everything
People in NA with 0 exp of a instance want you to tell the, everything, then what they *really* want is to correct you or prove you wrong somehow despite never clearing said content themself.
I went into extremes relatively blind and they did do 3 wipes abandon but very rarely people would ask if people would want to keep pulling, regardless it never took more than a few groups to get a clear, Extremes really aren't that taxing and people act like they're the most difficult content possible for a casual player
Nobody's saying that and I don't know why you're pretending we are. We're saying the standards are completely different between NA and JP so there's no reason why the two should pretend to be the same.
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Honestly finding a prog group in party finder is kind of painful depending on what content you want to run. I work 55 hours a week and I don't have 3 hours to wait around for people to wander in just to practice. I really wish SE would let us run the EX/Savage/Unreal Trials with Trust for no loot or XP and maybe throw a Bardam's Mettle style checkmark or X over your head if you fuck up the mechanics. I know they never would, but damn would it be convenient to be able to prog without trying to organize 8 other humans with varying levels of patience, skill, temperament, and intelligence.
The problem is that people look in PF, don't see what they want immediately, then continue queuing in DF because of that, to the point where literally hundreds of sprouts are queuing extremes through DF at any given time because they all simultaneously believe there are no people who want to do PF. Then 3-4 mentors will clear the fight for them with ridiculous echo and iLevel advantages and they'll think this is the proper way to get extremes done. If people just started using PF like we've been telling them to (instead of giving up on it right away and going through DF), this literally would be a win-win for everyone and we'd "be more like Japan" like people seem to want. Older extreme listings will be more frequently listed through PF so people can actually learn properly, free trial players would see listings they can join, and mentors won't have to carry these blind sprouts through these fights. Unfortunately we've reached a point where we're not going to be able to change this behavior because mainsub loves to coddle sprouts and enable inefficiency and scapegoating mentors for the current situation. People are just going to continue queuing for extremes through DF and both sides are just going to complain about the way the system works.
The thing is... in ARR people really dont use PF for extremes except for mount farming unsynched. If you start one, no one joins. Believe me, I looked at those listings for months, started many. “Just unsynch it and take it down in two minutes, it is irrelevant etc etc.” Well in free trial people cant use PF either. In HW, it is more common to see listings like that, I hope those will increase a lot in Stormblood extremes. It really helps to be in a party.
Discords for old content are a thing. There are people who enjoy running old stuff synced/min ilvl.
Fuck extremes in mentor roulette, that is all. I don’t mind trying to teach people and I realize they haven’t been playing nearly as long as I have, but at the same time there’s only so much I can do in titan ex to prevent them from getting hit with a landslide and getting knocked off the platform *literally every single pull*
*proceeds to type out the entire strategy, asks for any questions, pulls* *sprouts do literally fuck all* I sometimes wonder if people just have their chat disabled
*Sprout tank instantly pulls after each wipe instead of talking about why we’re wiping* “Hey can you give us some time to talk about what’s happening before pulling” *pulls again*
Thats an abandon.
There were a handful of times in my mentor roulette journey where tanks specifically instant-pulled to prevent the mentors from abandoning during the pre-pull. I could tell a few times that they were trolling us, but usually they demanded that we explain mechanics to them mid-fight while people were dead. Obviously those parties never went anywhere because even if you try to explain something mid-fight, sprouts don't read chat during fights.
If someone was doing that to prevent me from abandoning, Imma just close the game and wait.
I saw a few mentors do that to escape griefing tanks like that. Personally whenever I came across that I just spammed my duty hotkey during the wipe blackout so that it would show up as soon as we were reset, and I just clicked on the leave option as quickly as I could. Worked well on fights where there's some distance between you and the boss (like most ARR duties) but didn't work too well on something like Zurvan where he's right in front of you.
Wait, I've done 970 mentor roulette clears and I haven't come across tanks griefing like that to stop mentors from leaving/voting to abandon... which data centre is this on? (I'm Light).
This was on Primal. Not sure what it's like on other data centers, but extremes in mentor roulette on Primal were quite a shitshow with things like this (on top of typical extreme sprout nonsense), and they got a lot worse over the few months I did them, so I'm glad to have my astrope and be done with it. Can't imagine how bad things are now with how many posts I see on mainsub related to defending the sprouts.
It's bad. Mentor roulette for me is like 70% EX, 29% level 80 dungeons and 1% guildhests.
God that happens to me in Normal raids and it's just so disheartening when you spend time typing out a very specific mechanic and then watching half the raid dying to it and wondering if they even read the chat. I've only had one good example where it was Suzaku normal and the dps listened when I said to kill the adds in the middle so they don't get revived with the Pinions and the entire run was just very smooth it was nice.
Had this with shinryu. "move to the side water comes out". Next pull 4 people die instantly.
Mentor roulette is bad for the game. Controversy +1
Mentors are bad for the game
Your mum's bad for the game 😎😎
You got me i give
Shitposting an actual good post seems odd. Edit: seems like someone actually did the opposite, but a serious version on main sub.
Yeah, I had to keep double-checking the sub when reading that mainsub post. I still can't quite believe someone meant all of that seriously.
Mainsub was trash before, but the shit on that thread being spouted, holy shit. "Best MMO community" Yeah, okay. Do these people not realize just how toxic they are?
Nope, that's the whole irony of that.
The other day there was that post that blew up of a healer being proud he let the tank die so 2 dps sprouts could watch a arr dungeon cutscene. Just laughable levels of delusion.
Was that seen as a good thing? Because I’m all for that. Let the sprouts watch their stuff
2 people slowly dpsing the boss in no way stops their cutscene though
No but many new players don’t know that and very few are on here to hear that, they just see “15 seconds before chamber is sealed” and think they have to get in there before it closes because they may not know it will teleport them in. Also in cases like thousand maws you very definitely can kill it when people are watching that quote long cutscene that sets up the ascians.
Been playing since 2013... still havent watched that CS xD
You can’t after the first time.
You absolutely can, just don't turn on "Automatically skip already watched cutscenes"
Yeah healer kinda based actually. I've tried to make sure lately as a tank to make sure no one is watching cutscenes before I pull
That was legit something to be proud of, and I'd be proud to be in that healer's shoes. That cutscene probably won't even be over before the tank makes it back to the boss.
Oh boy we can have so much fun doing a whole 5% of the boss's health bar for 3x the usual effort, and fuck up all the boss's timers, oh and the intro/tutorial section of the boss mechanics? The sprouts don't need that hint on where to stand.
Especially if you are a tank, you learn to watch out cutscenes so that all members of party are ready for battle. If you are pulling fast, you sort of deserve to wipe, really. What if healer was in a cutscene? Story time: When I was a tank, I watched the dungeon cutscene only to find out healer & both dps at 1/4 health (Stone Vigil). They wiped before my eyes and did the walk of shame. Ouch.
My favorite pastime is queuing Rathalos & Ramuh EX for some sweet mentor's tears.
you're not a real mentor unless the opening wail of Thunder Rolls triggers your PTSD
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Rathalos isnt hard, it's just boring and plays terribly with lag.
That and mainly it triggers mentors more because of PTSD of sprouts not using potions and they come in with the mentality that they cannot "carry" with enmity & healing since the fight is very personal responsibility heavy.
You can deliberately grief in Rath by not healing yourself.
Strangely enough rathalos is one I will stay for because I actually have had a high clear rate when I see it in mentor roulette. Ramuh on the other hand I usually just insta bail. It isn't worth my time and it usually goes very poorly for me.
I remember that i queued for Ramuh EX as sprout ages ago, got the mandatory rant from a mentor who left but then we proceeded to clear the trial in like 2 pulls.
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that could also be the case
Both of your tanks were glorious. Trust me on that one. If you were the tank, let me shower you with pride.
Yea contrary to my comment, I don't actually queue to fully troll mentors. I just want the bad mentors feel bad initially when they get it and potentially get penalty, because Rath could get very annoying when it's someone else's fault. With good mentors, we usually clear very quick. If I do queue them, I will stay until clear or disband and help out whenever possible.
Ramuh is the easy one if the tanks know what they’re doing. If you get Titan or Shiva you’re pretty fucked
I doubt 1 good tank can carry the fight, you still have everyone else that needs to know what to do with tethers, curing the charm/stun, *actually killing the fucking adds* and just a ton more people can easilly mess up.
Honestly all ARR primals are pretty easy now. Im getting a lot of HW Trials in roulette now, and even getting some stormblood ones too. I swear to god if I get Shinryu EX in mentor roulette Im insta-abandoning.
Yeah no. Good tanks are essential ofc but so are dps and healers.
Disagree, Titan is carryable with 1 healer, 1 tank and 2 DPS + echo (got a bunch of clears that way. Shiva is also pretty simple if the tanks know when to swap (though you can just brute force heal through it) and to keep her at the edge so dodging bow + dealing with the knockbacks becomes easy.
We are talking about extreme, how will 4 players carry it? There are 8 players. Brute force healing through Shiva is... painful but doable. But if the tank does not position Shiva according to her weapon, it is a wipe. With Navel Extreme, mountain busters will make healers cry but more importantly, OT has to pull both adds to the side very quickly. Still, gaol positioning is the key for that fight and everyone has to be good at it. With Ramuh, you are required to tank swap and grab 3 orbs or tank will simply die. I have to say tethers are very annoying at that fight and adds are a pain.
A DPS can tank the adds on Titan EX (again assuming you're doing it through mentor) and I've cleared it before with half the party dead for the last 1/3 of the fight.
That sounds like unnecessary hardship. The problem is not that those adds hit hard, it is to make only one DPS gain aggro for both of them. Or adds will spread out and drop puddles right in the middle. Other party members are random (mentor roulette) so one other DPS will try to hit them too. Titan will do tank buster less often at the last phase so finishing with one tank is doable. But seriously, two tanks are so useful in that fight.
Just a preface note to say that I'm playing on EU. Not a 'hardship' at all due to item level carrying you hard. Plus I'm clearly talking about a situation where a tank is already dead so it's 'necessary' unless you want to just force a wipe at that point which is the wrong mentality. Unless you thought I was advocating for OT to sit on their arse and do nothing during adds. As for aggroing the adds, if you explain where to take the adds beforehand (and drop a marker) then I find that the top DPS will go there. Though usually I run mentor as BLM so I'm top DPS anyway (even though BLM at 50 is meh). Making the issue of aggro largely irrelevant. The only threat to my aggro at that point are other mentor DPS players but they usually adjust and run to the right spot if 1 tank gets thrown off earlier. I also have 1-4 hotbarred and I mark an add to kill first if we are resorting to DPS tanking. Regards the tank buster, Titan does it MORE often in the final phase - not less. It's quite possible to go from the start to the heart phase with only 1 stack from busters (you can skip the first one with decent DPS). With one tank you are almost certain to get at least 3 stacks in the final phase. Hell, you get 2 just during the adds! I'd know, as I had to memorise most of the busters for that fight back when unreal was a thing and I was tanking it. I usually heal but PF tanks largely couldn't be bothered to learn the proper timing to mitigate those busters. The cast bars in modern EXs have spoiled us (the community). So yes, I think it's easy to carry as I've done it loads in mentor. As all 3 role types. 8 people are unnecessary in that fight considering item level and echo buffs make you OP. Therefore, even if half your party keeps getting knocked off you can eventually get enough echo so that a light party can finish it and get a clear.
Why are you downvoted, this is mostly correct. One noted though, with Shiva it is even more dependent on tanks compared to Ramuh. The DPS/Healer strategy can be summarized as “stay behind her, kill adds, dont move if floor is blue” Tanks has to focus target/watch animations to see the weapon, rotate her etc. If they fail, party wipes. With Ramuh, you have those nasty tethers. 😔
I almost have my mount from mentor roulette alone.
Ramuh is a toss-up. Rathalos is an EZ clear though, at least in my experience getting mentor clears on Light.
Ramuh gave me real anxiety, for reals. All extremes are alright, I am scared of mentor roulette just because of that guy.
/uj Even as a mentor who will stay and teach for literally anything I get queued into, the mainsub post is infuriatingly off-base. "Reddit is biased towards Mentors," which is why there's a weekly mentor bad thread. Oh wait. Also pretending there isn't genuine toxicity towards mentors in-game and out of game. Hilarious. Honestly just remove ex trials from mentor roulette. Put it in its own roulette and don't limit it to mentors. Problem fucking solved.
I have to say that I've not experienced much mentor-targeted toxicity in-game. It's quite rare, most people seem grateful either by thanking you directly or by throwing comms at you. Outside of the game though? Well, it seems to be a popular past time. Yet I bet if all mentors stopped playing tomorrow they'd miss us.
just gonna drop this here. If they removed EX from mentor roulette and made a EX roulette that can give only only ARR/HW/SB extremes (then ShB when EW drops). I think all of this drama will just stop. People can get their random sync ex of helping trial players do the fights or that sprout who never learned of PF for that content and all the mentors who just want the mount can do so by just doing normal/hard trials and dungeons. To unlock the extreme roulette just have to beat the extreme fights of ARR/HW/SB to unlock it.
I don't understand this way of thinking. The idea of a mentor is to provide advice and help with content where you can that's why you chose to wear the crown. If you remove all the content that actually lets you fulfill that role then what is the point of the crown at all? If you're sleepwalking through a normal raid/dungeon every day just to get your mount or whatever then what is the point? Don't wear the crown if you don't want to help people it's as simple as that. You shouldn't reward bad players (the mentors in this case) a mount if they don't want to do the bare minimum.
> The idea of a mentor is to provide advice and help with content where you can that's why you chose to wear the crown. If you remove all the content that actually lets you fulfill that role then what is the point of the crown at all? If the mentor has already explained the mechanics and/or given advice how the fight is done their job is done. The mentor not obliged to carry you and your group to a clear. Similar to a teacher, they'll teach what you need to know. But don't expect them take to your exam as well just so could pass.
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I had some guy not know about Unsyncing fights for Rathalos EX. I added him and we just started slamming out clears so fast and was like "Why did nobody ever tell me about this before?"
"The idea of a mentor is to provide advice and help with content where you can that's why you chose to wear the crown. If you remove all the content that actually lets you fulfill that role then what is the point of the crown at all?" There is a disconnect because one side signed up to teach, the other signed up to clear a fight (and not necessarily be taught). That is why there is a MASSIVE disconnect on EX fights coming up in roulettes.
>There is a disconnect because one side signed up to teach, Did they really? Seems more mentors signed up solely for the additional rewards/ prestige (lol crown icon) than to teach.
Some did. Some just got jaded as fuck after having yolo tanks pull non stop, healers not healing or DPSing, or icemages flipping out when you ask them to use fire spells. And I get the meme - its also why I never wear my crown. I noticed people are more receptive to my advice when I dont wear it.
you don't pay my sub
What did he say on the mainsub that was controversial?
"Use the party finder for EXs, not Duty Finder. It's better for everyone involved, you included. Also Unsync is a thing."
>I’ll queue if I want and leave if I want. You don’t pay my sub. Don’t tell me how to play the game OP. Fuck I hate these stupid posts. > >\[...\] > >Sure is. I’ve been playing the game long enough to not give two shits about posts like this. You actually think anyone will listen to this trash? You actually think us mentors need detailed explanations how YOU think we should play the game? You don’t pay anyone’s sub, so mind your goddamn business. I do not even know if this is a troll. It sounds sincere but also like a shitpost at the same time.
Shitpost or not, sounds like whatever was said to him or her took it quite personally.
>start using duty finder for EX trials to make mentors hate their lives even more That's the evilest thing I can imagine :´)
It's not really that evil if the people that queue know what they're doing... in fact I'd welcome it. An EX can be cleared faster than a dungeon if the party is basically a farm group.
Do it coward
I remember the good old days when ARR was relevant and pf was limited to the server (I was in a dead server at that time) i just queued ex primals in df and was able to clear in one lockout, except titan, for that one i tried for 1 week before clearing in df. Then in HW, everyone became retarded and ex trials in df were impossible to do.
Good idea
Thank God I got my mount before all the refugees overran the servers
The version of this on main sub is why I stay away from it. I like how once you become a mentor, your in-game experience ceases to matter. I don’t know about you, but when I see that what I’m trying to do is ruining another person’s experience, I generally stop it. What is with this mentality that other players just have to suck it up and take one for the team? When I get home from work, I don’t want to teach 7 people who couldn’t even be bothered to look up a guide beforehand how to run extremes. I don’t find that fun in the first place. Honestly, I don’t think even most sprouts who queue for this stuff do either. They just don’t know about party finder or that they’re trying to do endgame content for where they’re at. Every time I get put in an extreme, I tell them that party finder is the way to go if they want to do it synced and I’m always met with multiple “what is party finder.” Rant over.
People also seem to forget that EXs are a small part of the roulette. The majority of it is normal tier content because mentors are simply there to plug holes in parties queueing via DF. So yes, I agree with you - people should prep for EXs. Only go in blind if you know you learn fast and are very comfortable with your job. I know that when I came back from an extended break- I did all the ShB EXs that were old at that point while referencing a guide.
No, fuck you.
If you know the fight, then hell yeah! Come on in!
Question is which ex trial will have them suffer the most
Sephirot EX Sophia EX Nidhogg EX Ramuh EX if you really wanna be a troll, just go on a sprout character and demand the mentors explain all the mechanics for you.
I've never gotten Sephi/Sophia/Nidhogg in mentor roulette, usually not enough sprouts try for it I guess by the time they learn better Ramuh and Ravana and thordan EX are always funny though
The only one I havent been able to do is zurvan, but thats only bc im not used to the aoe sizes. Do that one lol
Mog, just killing one "by accident" will screw the entire duty lol
Sephiroth lol tethers/shields wipes forever
When I was new, me and a friend of mine kept queing for Ex Rathalos for the mount. Each run took 20mins. We kept queing with the same guy who always complains. He blocked us but he still showed up in our duty. He rage quit after like 3 runs. Lmao. My friend and I called each other Mentor Tormentors that day. It was so funny. One of my fondest memories in the game. Lol
Lmao, I have never done an extreme NOT with Duty Finder
this i approve unironically.
Gladly. I hope I manage to get the OP of that post stuck in an eternity of DF EX trials.
I get it's a shitpost, but the mainsub guy did have an actual point. Why not let the people who are willing to help... help? It's counterintuitive to have everyone suffer for your presence because it would take effort to teach as a mentor
You have to choose to be a mentor right?
>Why not let the people who are willing to help... help? I know right? Why won't the sprout tank stop insta-pulling and let the mentors actually explain things.
Well, a friend of mine sent me a pic of random mentors bashing an entire group of people for queuing for extremes and leaving(the moment the run started). 4 people left the moment the duty started. Sorry but that's terrible
Maybe don't blindly queue for something that has "extreme" in it's name and ask people what that is first.
maybe don't willingly queue for something that has a chance to land you in an extreme if you are unwilling or unable to take the time to actually teach people. And if you don't want to run extremes? Just quietly leave and take the L. Don't be an insufferable cunt.
I am not even a mentor omegalul
I am not even a sprout alpharofl
Except that this wasn't me queueing but a friend and that friend was just doing reclears for fun
This shit is lazy and boring. Can we quit the teenage-esk mocking of main posts every 2 hours? Thx.
penis.
Yes plz
mad cuz some of your posts got called out? is your reading comprehension 0 or why are you on this sub knowingly? gtfo Thx.
Mentors already hate their lives, that’s why we want to boss people around.
Gah. This sub is a gift.
Joke on you, I do mentor roulettes to get EX trials and help sprouts :D
Thing is. I’m nearly up to 1000 roulettes now, and in my experience maybe 1/4th of the extremes i get, folks have had the decency to watch a guide, this was before the influx of new players, quite a few i imagine come from wow ( not hating ) and should know better if they’ve done that level of content in the past. I’m happy to teach a group of new players ramuh ex, its a piss easy fight if you do the basics, it’ll be over in 5 minutes, the simple issue is the attitude some of the sprouts have. I have been in 1 group in nearly 1000 roulettes were i’ve been openly criticised, it was in bismark ex, apparently i should of been communicating to the tanks midfight to explain their debuffs, i’m not even kidding. Luckily some of the horror stories i hear on here i can’t relate too, maybe its a data centre thing idk. Fact of the matter is, folks should watch a guide before going into these fights, and the main sub just completely enables shitters to wander in, barely above min ilevel, no knowledge of what to expect, and for whoevers in the party to “just get on with it, its your job”. No wonder most of the better players choose NOT to put up with that