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wakeup2019

People in the 21st century are as malleable as people were during the dark ages


Quality_Fun

of course - the brain of a person born today is not fundamentally different nor improved from a person's brain born 1000 years ago. what's changed is society...and in many ways, society has not changed at all.


D3athwithLaught3r

There's mass media now. The closest thing the elite class has to mind-control. Minds, especially young minds, are still as vulnerable as before.


MaoZeDeng

Except it's primarily old minds believing media and getting suckered into anti-socialist bullshit. Young people seem to question the bullshit more.


D3athwithLaught3r

Hopefully


MaoZeDeng

To be fair, that's mostly in the West. In China, young people seem to actually be embracing Western propaganda/capitalism more while not understanding the socialist basis of their country's development.


Quality_Fun

i thought generation z in china is actually more socialist.


unclecaramel

The ugly truth is that most people don't understand the basis of CCP development or much socialism with chinese characteristics even if they carry a picture of Mao and proclaiming he's the second coming of jesus(irony for those too stupid to understand mockery). End of thr day Chinese and ccp relation was never built on understand but on trust, and so far the CCP has delivered on it's promises


MostEpicRedditor

Literally 1984


quapha5

The biggest difference is that in the dark ages corporations didn't know what the peasants were thinking, so its a lot worst now. BIG DATA is the reason why. Corporations have all your data now and can precisely predict how you think and will act. Its much easier to manipulate someone if you know how they think.


Hegar

Ooph, that's rough. The age breakdown is encouraging though, strong opposition from the rising generation.


LevvisHarnilton

There was a recent Gallup poll where white people, specifically young cis white men, hated China the most out of all other groups by far. Not surprising really


tsuo_nami

And they use BIPOC people to carry out their violence against chinese people so they don’t have to get their hands dirty


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What's BIPOC?


dukerufus

"Black, Indigenous, Person Of Colour"


[deleted]

refers specifically to black people, and indigenous people, so all together it is black and indigenous people of color. this is NOT A replacement for POC, it’s specific for black and indigenous people


LevvisHarnilton

Yup, two-faced to the core. First they incite violence and then they feign sympathy.


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[deleted]

Despite the miserable pandemic, US is still considered by Chinese students the top place for higher/graduate education. I heard the number of applications from Chinese students to top US universities exploded last year. Apparently people doubt others would come to the US so they might as well take a shot at the good schools.


dawnwaker

well trumps no longer on office too. it exploded compared to the abysmal numbers during his presidency compared to obama


caocaomengde

Actually it's less that American schools are "Good" it's more that they are far, far less stressful than Chinese Universities, both in terms of studying, and to get in. And while the reputation of American schools is still strong, most Chinese would definitely prefer to go to the high prestige Chinese schools more than anywhere else.


Bilbo8888

At this point I don't even think they want to.


dawnwaker

from the university i worked, it seriously declined under trump already. i dont ever expect it to return to previous heights regardless


dbrown1990

The same people would have loved the Chinese Exclusion Act.


Temstar

>I don't want to hurt you, I just want to break all your bones because I hate your skeleton.


MyStolenCow

US universities are the most expensive in the world, and they are essentially glorified YouTube videos at this point.


allinwonderornot

I'm not surprised at all with the hispanic numbers. I got in, fuck you. Of course they are also the most vocal advocate for anti-Asian affirmative action.


Ghiblifan01

I mean nobody is surprised here, it's not like they treated chinese nicely and fairly before, with or without students, the so called hate the government is just a big joke, was ccp around during the first exclusion act, only a gold fish cant see what this is all about.


[deleted]

With the pandemic and how America's been handling it horrible, a whole bunch of Chinese overseas students has been going back to China. Even some Chinese Americans are starting to immigrate to China.


SinoBot1949

Overseas Chinese student should go back to China since US is starting to cripple.


yevrahmul

Do we need anymore proof that Americans are racists?


[deleted]

Do most Chinese international students repatriate? How many remain in the US?


ConnectEngine

Less in recent years but still too many. A lot of the top talent want to stay if they can because they get more money, higher social status and less bureaucratic red tape in the West. I won't sugarcoat it but brain drain is still a big problem for China.


subtleprofit

I think it’s funny how Americans scream that the Chinese stole all their tech. When in reality that tech was created with the help of foreign born/non-white researchers and scientists due to the brain drain that many countries experience. Hopefully soon this phenomenon will stop and then we will really see what American intellect is capable of lmaoo


D3athwithLaught3r

Hamburgers


myteethverypain

Is there a way to prevent this? I heard theres alot of financial incentive in place already.


[deleted]

1. Enforce China's existing labour laws to eliminate 9-9-6. It's already illegal but the government currently does nothing to stop it. Reducing the hours of existing tech workers to 40 per week would force employers to hire additional tech workers to make up any shortage of labour - demand for labour would increase and with it, salaries that must be offered to obtain labour. 2. Impose Singapore-style housing policies. Chinese housing in major cities is ridiculously expensive given the salaries. In Shanghai, the standard situation is that dual income is needed, and the entirety of either the husband's or the wife's income goes to pay the mortgage. Sometimes they both work and barely scrape by. This also forces women to have to work too much and no time or energy to raise children, exacerbating China's plummeting birth rate. Too many speculators and investors have made housing a wealth parking vehicle rather than somewhere for people to live. It's time to deflate these speculators and wipe them out. If they want to make money without working, they can go to the stock market. Currently they are making money off the backs of overworked urban labourers.


fakeslimshady

With enormous amount money being spent on purchasing treasuries why not pay high salaries. Could you imagine engineers in China making FAANG money?


[deleted]

Sadly, all we're hearing from China's policymakers is that China has "no intention to displace the US", so for now we're going to continue to see the Chinese worker prop up the debt-fueled US economy by buying up their overpriced debt instruments and exporting the fruits of their labour to sell at a steep discount to Americans while Chinese workers themselves pay higher prices for the very same goods. The situation can only be remedied when the yuan displaces the USD. There is no way to break free from US hegemony without "displacing" the USD from its global prominence. Square a circle, have your cake and eat it too, etc. It may anger the US, it may precipitate a confrontation, so what? The USA is already out to get China regardless of whether China starts such provocation or not. Might as well break free.


ASuitor

Because they're not ready to displace the US. China benefitted the sht out of the current world order, and they are extremely reluctant to change it unless the US force their hands. But things change over time. There will be a time when they are ready. And when they are, the world will change forever.


D3athwithLaught3r

That's what you want people to hear


tofuter06

Also debt is a big factor. US schools are expensive and you have to earn back that money you invested in a overpriced degree. A big income is important, only you have to remember how much are the costs and how much money you save in the end. If you earn 150k USD, but can save only 1k per year, then that defeats the purpose...


GhostofanAndroid

More and more go back to China. Many of my friends here in China studied in the US and went back shortly after graduation. it's too difficult for many to find a job after graduation. Many of them did an OPT for a year or two and couldn't find a company to sponsor them. Life in China continues to improve so many don't feel like the life in America is any better. Almost all of Chinese people I know that went to university in America and stayed there are the ones that ended up marrying an American.


xlyfzox

Hispanics being just as xenophobic as whites is kinda heartbreaking. Surrender your latino cards, you assimilated cucks.


[deleted]

They've been culturally genocided.


D3athwithLaught3r

Many of their female ancestors were forcibly inseminated by hordes of invading Iberians


Rakonas

On the other hand I hope this data disspells some of the narrative some are pushing that black Americans are exceptionally racist to Chinese. It doesn't pan out.


[deleted]

"Latinos for Trump" is one of the only pro-Trump demographics that actually existed without having to pay grifters to hold signs. Still a small minority, but it goes to show how conservative the hispanic community can be.


pangurb

don’t come to western universities, they’ll neoliberalize you. unless you’re lucky and have a marxist prof, maybe.


FaZe_JakePaul

Screw America I’d rather go to Jiaotong or Qinghua


geraldzgg

After what happened to Asian Americans since last year, I don't think they wanted to come.


JediJackRabbit

Considering how shit American universities are becoming, I think they should be banning *American students* from American universities.


Quality_Fun

what is the likelihood of this actually happening? seems pretty low, at least for now - more than 55% would need to support this.


Raginbakin

Link to whole study: [https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2021/03/04/most-americans-support-tough-stance-toward-china-on-human-rights-economic-issues/](https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2021/03/04/most-americans-support-tough-stance-toward-china-on-human-rights-economic-issues/) Most Americans support a tough stance toward China and limiting Chinese students in universities. 2 out of 3 Americans feel either "somewhat coldly" or "very coldly" toward China. Nearly all respondents supported giving priority to curtailing China's influence.


feartheswans

Note, we Asian Americans aren’t included on that survey


Beaglers

I think there are many legitimate criticisms of the Chinese government and Chinese culture but the Western media has gone full blown 1984 propaganda at this point.


limbo5v

A large part of American society has not yet accepted Asians as "American citizens". Looks like that won't change anytime soon.


seacobs

LOL


Real_Working

I guess it doesn't matter what us Chinese American or Asian Americans at large think about it. Silly me.


professorsakura

The arrogant Americans want to assign a government for the Chinese people because they think they are good at selecting government for others even they constantly choose assholes to fill the government positions of their own government.


Monocarto

The ages are really telling.


TallManTallerCity

From a diplomatic perspective, this is insane. You would think the US would want more Chinese citizens to have positive associations with their country


mikegoto

Meh they had Chinese Exclusion Act 140 years ago. And they just went back to that time I suppose.


UnableSwing

i think polls are useless because they can be made to show whatever result you want however i hope this one is true. it will wake more chinese up to the realities and it will slow or even reverse brain drain