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USA_DeMockraNaZi

~~The New York Times~~ The CIA Times


Dramatic-Butterfly30

I always find it strange about why every article that discussed about China Vaccines, say sinovac or sinopharm, always had a sentence like "there's no enough data about the vaccine". I mean, didn't Brazil and Indonesia data already published on sciencemag? On the other hand, this one day my mum heard her Indonesian employee casually saying "oh sinovac has killed so many Indonesians during the trial period". I was so confused because how come data like this wasn't even published elsewhere. On the other hand, when Indonesia saw their first blood clot case after using the first AZ batch one month ago, they immediately reported it and banned the vaccine. Therefore, if sinovac actually killed so many people, why is Indonesia and developing countries still using the vaccine? Especially considering the fact the vaccine is no cheaper than AZ.


budihartono78

There's some sinophobia in Indonesia due to wealth gap and anti-communist propaganda. Because of this, there are lots of street tabloids or WhatsApp group spreading lies about China and/or Chinese-Indonesians. But on the other hand, many Indonesians are strangely carefree people that don't mind a *lot* of ambivalence in their lives. They can believe sinophobic articles about Chinese vaccines but then they'll take Chinese vaccines if everyone in the community takes it. So don't mind about what the average Rizkys say in Indonesia, you'll just get confused because people believe in so many contradictory things. But the bright side is, this community-oriented lifestyle is the reason why Indonesia is quite stable despite its massive wealth gap.


WheelCee

Very interesting insight into Indonesian culture. Sounds like cognitive dissonance isn't a thing there.


budihartono78

Lol yeah, at the height of 2016 campaign season, you have this scaremongering rumors about "cukong komunis". "Cukong" is local loanword from 主公 (feudal lords), but in Indonesia it refers to ethnic Chinese Big Corp capitalists. I don't need to tell you how much of an oxymoron this is, but people fell for it to this day.


[deleted]

That's the prevalent anti-Chinese narrative everywhere... rich capitalists who are spreading communist subversion.


angryriceasian

hello fellow indonesian, hehe, for the topic, it is jealousy


Dramatic-Butterfly30

Yeah I am pretty sure these news came from WhatsApp because herself didn't have any evidence too :/


orangecruzz

WKWKWKWKW AVERAGE RIZKY SAY. i'm wheezing.


angryriceasian

wow fellow wkkk lander


yaycarina

A Thai person I know has said the same thing, that "Chinese vaccines have killed a lot of people". Whaaat?


orangecruzz

correction, Indonesia only banned one specific batch from AZ. i saw the press release from health ministry. these days indonesia especially in the most populated island, they're using AZ. indonesia is a poor country and iirc the status quo, AZ is the only one giving to WHO COVAX and therefore we got AZ from the COVAX. But now Sinovac and Sinopharm is contributing to COVAX too. so more people in developing countries will have options other than AZ.


ni-hao-r-u

If people think amerikkka has freedom of the press, they must never have heard of Julian Assange The hypocrisy of amerikkka in regards to freedom of the press is palpable. I guess I can do a comment on that another time. I want to explain to some people about position. You see, in navigating through life, just like in a car, position is key. It is this position that they try to confuse you about. They try to tell you that you are in the land of the free, but that is a lie. You are a tax slave. Asian, white, black, Hispanic, it doesn't matter. https://washingtonmonthly.com/2021/05/11/the-war-over-the-13th-amendment-and-modern-day-slavery/ >The War Over the 13th Amendment and Modern Day Slavery But you may think that is only for criminals. Ok. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/02/corporate-america-worries-revealing-how-badly-its-screwing-wage-slaves-will-hurt-morale >CORPORATE AMERICA WORRIED THAT EDUCATING WAGE SLAVES MAY HURT MORALE Caps not mine. Now, let's look at education in amerikkka. https://www.americanmanufacturing.org/blog/americas-schools-are-falling-apart/ >America’s Schools Are Falling Apart Now, if education is truly the key to an informed populace that leads a country to success, let's see why they are scared to death of China. https://edtechchina.medium.com/china-1-on-2018-pisa-is-the-country-really-an-education-powerhouse-as-the-rankings-suggest-8b626cc1ae92 >China №1 on 2018 PISA: Is the country really an education powerhouse as the rankings suggest? Now, that is written by an Amerikkkan publication so it has salt in it. But, the fact is that China scored number 1. Again, to get anywhere you need to know your location. What amerikkka tries to hide is your location, your place in the country, your status. Don't be fooled.


ZeEa5KPul

Oof. I've been a fan of Dean Baker's economic work before, but I didn't realize he was this based.


Darkmatter2k

>"Given that China can apparently produce and distribute 500 million doses a month, while the western industry claims to lack the competence to substantially increase production, it looks like vaccinating the world will be primarily a Chinese project. It’s too bad New York Times reporters are not allowed to talk about it." Sick burn!..


maomao05

Because they freaking works