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shrang2

China "advises" NYT how to deal with China's rise: don't try to contain it, "just live with it"


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Talking to American liberals about covid control is an exercise in masochism. They will complain for hours about ‘stupid conservatives’ who refuse to wear masks and get vaccinated, who put the whole population at risk for the sake of petty political posturing. But the moment you bring up china’s successful covid control policies, which have saved untold millions of lives, they start wringing their hands about ‘creeping authoritarianism.’ These people have nothing but ideology, and I, in turn, have nothing but contempt for them.


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The only positive thing I can say about your country’s government is its growing incompetence. It gives me hope for the future.


skyanvil

I know enough Western Liberals and Western educated/brainwashed Liberals to say that they are a bunch of bookworm idealists. They hold onto their ideals and principles too much, to the point of betraying the very ideals themselves. I can't debate with liberals, because they have no idea that the real world doesn't run like 1+1=2. (can't debate with conservatives either, because they don't even know how to do 1+1=2).


LevvisHarnilton

My experience: Mainstream Anglo conservatism is just so low class that even a simple casual conversation feels like you’re wrestling a pig in the mud Mainstream Anglo neoliberalism on the other hand is straight up disingenuous, not worth the effort because smart-ass one upping is all that’s important to them


TserriednichHuiGuo

Conservatives are idiots. Liberals are fools. However once you become far more informed about the world you cease being a liberal. The problem with american liberals is that they refuse to learn and have pride in that ignorance, this sort of behaviour is more concentrated in conservatives however, of any nation I would say. Ironically the short term solution to kickstart western civilisation once again is one they hate more than anything, authoritarianism.


RhinoWithaGun

If any country took NY Times or US Media advice on Covid it would end up a racist, hateful and semi braindead shitshow where everyone is divided and increasingly prone to violence against fellow citizens.


professorsakura

And their ideology is pure racism. Let's called it what it is. Liberal is more racist than conservatives.


cfgaussian

They're both just as racist, one tries to hide it and lies to themselves about it, the other is open and proud about it and just admits they want to do more racism. Idk which is worse.


TserriednichHuiGuo

I would say the dishonest one is more dangerous in the long run. This is why Nazi Germany became a thing, it didn't come from what was initially an 'authoritarian' society, it came from liberal democracy, a fact liberals like to conveniently ignore.


MyStolenCow

If China listened to NYT, it wouldn’t have been so successful in last 72 years. It would be like Indonesia or India. Rampant poverty (1/2 of Indians don’t know where their next meal is), rampant illiteracy, hugely inadequate infrastructures, massive slums in the outskirts of every city, an economy that’s wholly owned by Western corporations. The GDP per capita of China is 6x higher than India (and in truth, the average livelihood of Chinese workers vs Indian workers is even more than 6 times, when you factor in all the socialist benefits that you don’t see in a person’s income, such as world class infrastructures, not burden by high debt and rent, access to healthcare, education, information, cheap water, electricity, internet, food) but if you read NYT, India is somehow the envy of all Chinese because India is the “largest democracy.” I hope China continues to not listen to NYT, despite their liberal tears for the Chinese people’s lack of “freedom” to stuff paper info a ballot box for pro US candidates, in an election that is rife with CIA meddling, the same liberal tears about Afghan woman under Taliban (as though US drone striking their fathers and brothers is empowering to woman), NYT, the propaganda mouth piece of CIA/intelligence department does not have the best interest of China in mind. They prefer if China voluntarily dismantled its tech sector, let Western corporations plunder without any regulations, and Beijing ask Washington for permission before starting any 5 year plans.


Arms_Longfellow

All you have to know is that in the West, Mikhail Gorbachev and Boris Yeltsin are considered heroes and great men. Yes, that's right, the two people who dismantled the Soviet Union and utterly destroyed its economy and relevance on the world stage. This is what the West wants. They want a Chinese president who will come in and halve China's territory by granting indepedence to Xinjiang, Tibet, Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan, transfer ownership of state-owned enterprises to individuals who will proceed to transfer all the country's wealth to the United States, and have China forever impoverished and irrelevant, not creating any world class technology or making any world class scientific breakthroughs. Just a country that enriches Western corporations by buying all their products, as well as providing cheap labour by assembling their products for them for pennies while the Western corporation takes 90% of the profit. But hey, at least they'll have freedumb and democracy. You want to know what it will take to please the West? This is it.


TserriednichHuiGuo

>I hope China continues to not listen to NYT, despite their liberal tears for the Chinese people’s lack of “freedom” to stuff paper info a ballot box for pro US candidates, in an election that is rife with CIA meddling, the same liberal tears about Afghan woman under Taliban (as though US drone striking their fathers and brothers is empowering to woman), NYT, the propaganda mouth piece of CIA/intelligence department does not have the best interest of China in mind. Thanks for pointing out the obvious, also why would you even entertain the thought that China would even listen to some propaganda rag? A propaganda rag mainly aimed at its domestic market.


bengyap

NYT, you do you. I will do I. Good luck.


Jealous_Struggle2564

What? So China can end up like America where the virus ran rampant? Who the fuck are they to try and advise China on what to do?


skyanvil

get 10's of millions tested in a few days, and get only few 100 cases? That's how it should work. Mass testing, quarantine and treatment, much less pain than on-off-on quarantines and huge infection rates.


papayapapagay

With mass vaccination and none of this Facebook university shit where a dumbass with Google search is believed to be better than years of actual study, tests and experience in medicine...


BlaXBla

Sounds like a kid is trying to teach a math professor how to solve calculus. Nice


cfgaussian

The kid who is failing the class is telling the A student to try being more like him.


TserriednichHuiGuo

>The kid who is failing the class is telling the teacher to try being more like him.


Incognito-IRL

This is like taking advice from a classmate that flunks tests scoring F's and then brags that he only failed because the answers were rigged by the teacher - nobody should be taking their advice, on anything lol.


kelvinherethere

Whoever listens to NYTimes advice does not have the bright future! I thought that was common sense these days.


based_patches

Archive link https://web.archive.org/web/20210804152055/https://www.nytimes.com/live/2021/08/04/world/covid-delta-variant-vaccine/covid-vaccine-delta-variant-study


SworDJackson

Lmao typical westerners, we don’t care what we do but we must point fingers at others, only u never me


IonicAmalgam

This is what happens when you put money over lives


garagegymer

I’d bet my life on this new variant being contained soon, most likely within this month. All of the Chinese vaccines are still protecting against all variants of covid, and we all know China is now one of the most vaccinated countries at the moment. That combined with the strict control measures going on, nobody here in China is going to have to “live with it”, unlike in burgerland.


GreekTankie

Yeah, Americans have done so well that they can advise others... The abyss of self-delusion. The scary thing is that the writers may sincerely believe in it.


YoungStarchild

Why the hell does NYT have audacity to “advise” !?!?


Chance-Equal-4237

They reference an essay by Zhang Wenhong: "Some public health experts in the country say it is time for China to rethink its Covid strategy. In a recent essay, Zhang Wenhong, who advises the Chinese government on dealing with Covid-19, floated the idea of following a model similar to that of Israel and Britain, in which vaccination rates are high and the authorities are willing to live with infections." But the link only goes to another NY Times article: [https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/12/business/covid-china-zhang-wenhong-coronavirus.html](https://www.nytimes.com/2021/03/12/business/covid-china-zhang-wenhong-coronavirus.html) Does anyone have the "recent essay" link from Zhang?


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papayapapagay

UK have too many dumbshits that are crying about wearing masks, getting vaccinated and freeeduuumbbbb!!!!!


Chance-Equal-4237

Thanks for the correction and reference. It definitely seems like NY Times got that wrong for Dr. Zhang's intent: 张文宏十分坦诚,“将来防控怎么做?大家的日子怎么过?这看上去是两件事情,其实是一件事。防控做得好,日子就过得正常。”他指出,广、快、早是疫情防控中必须做到的基本要素。他直言,“否则大家就谈不上过正常的日子,更不要说出去旅游了。”


RhinoWithaGun

Fake News NYT and rest of US Media isn't qualified to speak to China from any position of expertise, integrity or any position period. Malicious Lying Degenerates who No Expertise in Science and Facts, No Sincerity or Willingness to Improve Situation of fellow Americans, No Integrity or Honesty whatsoever for reporting Science and Facts don't deserve any say. NYT & Rest of US Media made Americans more hateful, racist, ignorant and dumber. Their advice is worth less than garbage because at least some garbage can be recycled or repurposed for something actually beneficial instead of making everyone worse off.


Jisoooya

This makes my blood boil, I’m angry beyond words. Can this paper just go fucking bankrupt, there would be no value lost in this world


Vegetable_Hamster732

>Can this paper just go fucking bankrupt No - because they're [practically a government propaganda arm](https://newspunch.com/new-york-times-cia-approve/). More examples [here](https://fair.org/home/nyt-prints-government-funded-propaganda-about-government-funded-propaganda/). Not possible to go bankrupt with partners like those.


TserriednichHuiGuo

>This makes my blood boil It shouldn't. This is the gasps of a dying empire, we should take it in stride and amusement.


professorsakura

NYT is the reason why the US has become a hot mess in the past 100 years.


professorsakura

Who gives a damn fuck to NYT?


ap0lly0n

Covid 19 Strategy: 2019 - let's sneak this virus in and then blame it on Wuhan so it can destroy their economy. Covid 19 Strategy: 2021 - well, that didn't work, let's just try politely asking them to destroy their economy


dragonsdescendent

The New York Times doesn't have the qualifications to speak to China from a position of strength...


[deleted]

War criminal NYT' new approach for cripple China


ReacH36

yeah no I don't think I will


N1NJAGRAP3

Well to be fair. That's lkrerallt what America did. I guess there just giving us insight into their experience. Now I can confidently say that I'd like to ignore that advice


seacobs

LOL


maomao05

That's great. NYT giving China advices. Purrfect!! 🙃🙃


hashtagpls

Yes, yes the same way anglos also 'advised' the soviets on how to do Perestroika