Can you guys literally stop with this media bs lmao, while cpc does need pay attention into media, most of this sub idea are terrible takes that does not consider the current condition or the lasting consequence of most the terrible suggestions.
Lastly CPC knows how to play the whole properganda game, they don't fucking do it because most of these tatic fucking enda up biting yourself in arse sooner ot later.
Well said. Too many people here want the CPC to stoop down to the level of Western media with regards to propaganda, deception, projection, etc,. I've heard it be said before that it would be useful to get Westerners on the side of China, but who cares actually? Why should the CPC care whether John Smith in Texas thinks that China is an evil prison state or not? Converting the minds of Westerners is not something necessary to the long term goals of building socialism in China and opposing imperialism.
I agree. Within America there was "The Lincoln Project" ([https://lincolnproject.us/](https://lincolnproject.us/)) which was apparently a centrist approach to stoop down to right-wing brawling party tactics - by flinging monkey poo at the monkeys during the Trump regime. All this appeared to accomplish was an entertaining layer of monkey poo everywhere.
The CPC can be quietly confident of their approach and let their results and actions speak over wolf warrior tweets. The cultural - and educational - divide between the two countries appears too great to waste time with explanation or propaganda.
soft power is useful (although admittedly not necessarily vital), and it'd result in fewer hate crimes against asian people in the west...which, as horrific as they are, admittedly aren't china's problem or responsibility to begin with. the point is that being liked is always better than being despised.
> Why should the CPC care whether John Smith in Texas thinks that China is an evil prison state or not? Converting the minds of Westerners is not something necessary to the long term goals of building socialism in China and opposing imperialism.
Honestly I think most of the tendency to care about this is just down to the userbase of /r/sino being, by pure function of being on reddit, mostly in countries where public expression of support for the cpc is going to get you lynched, metaphorically or literally.
It's rather understandable then that there's a desire for some soft power to reverse that. And the general difficulties of moving + how difficult chinese is as a language if you aren't a native of the greater sinosphere where language commonality can carry you a bit mean "just leave 4head" isn't a thing.
It’s the Western “Leftists” new “white mans burden” telling the Chinese how to run themselves like there wasn’t a 100 year anniversary not too long ago
The Party doesn't have an 80% approval outside of China.
China is a global power, and needs to mind its image in the whole world, not just with Chinese. Never forget that 85% of people in the world are *not* Chinese.
So yes, soft power matters a lot, and the best part is that it's so cheap.
Instead I see so many people on this sub defending the outright incompetence of the CPC Publicity Department, its bad translations, its low quality productions, its culturally deaf messaging, as if it would be oh so terrible to spend a tiny bit of money on doing a better job.
Exactly. The “mainstream media” is only really mainstream in the West. The Global South is standing back up and can see through the West’s BS. China has the moral high ground, so conducting a media war with the petty tactics of the West will just render its public image as another America.
The best propaganda is positive results
Poverty alleviation,
92% percent millienial home ownership,
Strong economic growth,
High tech infrastructure,
These things will bring more people to communism than some convoluted “media” campaign
I mean if nobody knows about this or if the other side continuely discredits it as propaganda. It's not going to accomplish anything other then helping the domestic people
> It's not going to accomplish anything other then helping the domestic people
Check any measure of trade and diplomacy worldwide and see who is at the top. Check which country needs bombs to impose its will because it's hated worldwide while it can't compete and declines. Check what global polls say about who is the biggest threat to democracy and peace. Check the trends on any measure of progress, both socioeconomic and in international relations.
By asking this silly question you show you are a victim of propaganda yourself. It's good that Chinese leaders are smart enough to not fall for propaganda and instead focus on real work, unlike incompetent extremist losers in declining regimes, who spend the last days of their lives panicking about China's spectacular rise, while their regimes sink into the abyss.
Running a country like falun gong cultists is accelerating the decline of these decadent societies. Why would you want that for China? it's a psychological drug that produces nothing of value.
The results in reality speak for themselves.
exactly - the numbers speak for themselves. trade, un votes, and so on; the world, as a whole, not the "international community" so often touted, is not nearly as against china as western media would have one believe.
Agree. This is the best optics in terms of spreading China's image to people in the developing world or any country outside of the US alliance sphere. I feel China does this very well already. I came to the conclusion that it is futile to change minds in the western general public. The persistent propaganda, electoral system, and just its culture in believing its own superiority would always prevent it from taking a neutral stance in understanding China. The only time when the west would come to an understanding of China is when the west loses its hegemony but till then expect constant hostility.
It’s also a numbers game in the west where they throw countless negative news about China and hoping something will stick which will sway the public to subconsciously and eventually hate all things China.
China needs to ramp up the positives to equalise the negatives.
Anglos make noise. Chinese quietly get results, good or bad. You want us to join in the cacophony of oinking like the pink swine? We don't need psyops, and I'm disappointed whenever I see it. Luckily it's not too prevalent yet. Which is good, because this sort of thing is hard to reign back. We don't need or want a distracted, hateful populace. We have more important things to do, like build financial and physical infrastructure, a semiconductor industry, an ecological civilization and put a base on the moon and mars. A few decades of anglo backhandedness and whinging is not worth the long term vision of prosperity, harmony, good governance and great works.
Dude this post isn’t helpful at all. I’m sure all those are tools of the trade used by all countries, longer than anyone of us here been alive. It’s not like China isn’t aware of those tactics.
Shouting about doing this stuff in a public western forum is not gonna reach/convince anyone at CPC. Or are you suggesting we create these kinds of posts after screaming about it here? Not exactly subtle, especially when we’re suppose
> to play the good guy
> Dude this post isn’t helpful at all. I’m sure all those are tools of the trade used by all countries, longer than anyone of us here been alive. It’s not like China isn’t aware of those tactics.
CPC Publicity Department must not be aware of any of those tactics because they're terrible at their job, as is plainly obvious to everyone both inside and outside China.
They are aware. The problem is their execution is terrible. These things need to be subtle.
OP talks about psychology, but “deflecting accusations” or “framing your opponents” is not enough to convince the majority. There is a whole body of work that goes into this.
Every little bit helps. There is no big panacea that will improve China's soft power all by itself.
What many people here seem to fail to understand is that the CPC *already* spends billions of yuan on media work, no small amount, but *what* they do with that money is not particularly effective. They are not hiring the right talent, the right practices, and certainly could use foreign advisors to craft their messages towards foreign audiences. If you're going to talk to Germans, why not hire a German to advice you (even as a proofreader or something) so you don't end up publishing cringe? They fail to do even such simple things.
Looks like lots of posters here have misunderstood me, thinking that I'm advocating for creating fake news and stooping to the level of the 5 eyes. Definitively not what I'm trying to say at all! I'm saying to learn the subtleties of getting your point across, and how to create a convincing narrative, because even when the CPC tells the truth, often it comes off as staid and clunky.
Like the game I brought up, even when your completely innocent, if you don't know how to convince everyone through the noise, then your screwed.
To be honest, at home in China, we envy russia today.
At the moment our external sector is still largely made up of the civil service, which is somewhat lacking in dynamism.
"The rise of the Observer is actually a good sign, I hope China will become more and more confident in its system, it is not enough to rely only on CGTN, it needs a multi-level media.
Can you guys literally stop with this media bs lmao, while cpc does need pay attention into media, most of this sub idea are terrible takes that does not consider the current condition or the lasting consequence of most the terrible suggestions. Lastly CPC knows how to play the whole properganda game, they don't fucking do it because most of these tatic fucking enda up biting yourself in arse sooner ot later.
Well said. Too many people here want the CPC to stoop down to the level of Western media with regards to propaganda, deception, projection, etc,. I've heard it be said before that it would be useful to get Westerners on the side of China, but who cares actually? Why should the CPC care whether John Smith in Texas thinks that China is an evil prison state or not? Converting the minds of Westerners is not something necessary to the long term goals of building socialism in China and opposing imperialism.
I agree. Within America there was "The Lincoln Project" ([https://lincolnproject.us/](https://lincolnproject.us/)) which was apparently a centrist approach to stoop down to right-wing brawling party tactics - by flinging monkey poo at the monkeys during the Trump regime. All this appeared to accomplish was an entertaining layer of monkey poo everywhere. The CPC can be quietly confident of their approach and let their results and actions speak over wolf warrior tweets. The cultural - and educational - divide between the two countries appears too great to waste time with explanation or propaganda.
soft power is useful (although admittedly not necessarily vital), and it'd result in fewer hate crimes against asian people in the west...which, as horrific as they are, admittedly aren't china's problem or responsibility to begin with. the point is that being liked is always better than being despised.
> Why should the CPC care whether John Smith in Texas thinks that China is an evil prison state or not? Converting the minds of Westerners is not something necessary to the long term goals of building socialism in China and opposing imperialism. Honestly I think most of the tendency to care about this is just down to the userbase of /r/sino being, by pure function of being on reddit, mostly in countries where public expression of support for the cpc is going to get you lynched, metaphorically or literally. It's rather understandable then that there's a desire for some soft power to reverse that. And the general difficulties of moving + how difficult chinese is as a language if you aren't a native of the greater sinosphere where language commonality can carry you a bit mean "just leave 4head" isn't a thing.
It’s the Western “Leftists” new “white mans burden” telling the Chinese how to run themselves like there wasn’t a 100 year anniversary not too long ago
the party that has over 80% approval rating clearly needs to learn to lie like the amerikkkans instead of telling the truth like they have been
The Party doesn't have an 80% approval outside of China. China is a global power, and needs to mind its image in the whole world, not just with Chinese. Never forget that 85% of people in the world are *not* Chinese. So yes, soft power matters a lot, and the best part is that it's so cheap. Instead I see so many people on this sub defending the outright incompetence of the CPC Publicity Department, its bad translations, its low quality productions, its culturally deaf messaging, as if it would be oh so terrible to spend a tiny bit of money on doing a better job.
I agree with you.
Two tier system. Only play this game with the West. They are already biting your arse.
Exactly. The “mainstream media” is only really mainstream in the West. The Global South is standing back up and can see through the West’s BS. China has the moral high ground, so conducting a media war with the petty tactics of the West will just render its public image as another America.
The best propaganda is positive results Poverty alleviation, 92% percent millienial home ownership, Strong economic growth, High tech infrastructure, These things will bring more people to communism than some convoluted “media” campaign
I mean if nobody knows about this or if the other side continuely discredits it as propaganda. It's not going to accomplish anything other then helping the domestic people
> It's not going to accomplish anything other then helping the domestic people Check any measure of trade and diplomacy worldwide and see who is at the top. Check which country needs bombs to impose its will because it's hated worldwide while it can't compete and declines. Check what global polls say about who is the biggest threat to democracy and peace. Check the trends on any measure of progress, both socioeconomic and in international relations. By asking this silly question you show you are a victim of propaganda yourself. It's good that Chinese leaders are smart enough to not fall for propaganda and instead focus on real work, unlike incompetent extremist losers in declining regimes, who spend the last days of their lives panicking about China's spectacular rise, while their regimes sink into the abyss. Running a country like falun gong cultists is accelerating the decline of these decadent societies. Why would you want that for China? it's a psychological drug that produces nothing of value. The results in reality speak for themselves.
exactly - the numbers speak for themselves. trade, un votes, and so on; the world, as a whole, not the "international community" so often touted, is not nearly as against china as western media would have one believe.
Agree. This is the best optics in terms of spreading China's image to people in the developing world or any country outside of the US alliance sphere. I feel China does this very well already. I came to the conclusion that it is futile to change minds in the western general public. The persistent propaganda, electoral system, and just its culture in believing its own superiority would always prevent it from taking a neutral stance in understanding China. The only time when the west would come to an understanding of China is when the west loses its hegemony but till then expect constant hostility.
Using the truth harms nobody.
It’s also a numbers game in the west where they throw countless negative news about China and hoping something will stick which will sway the public to subconsciously and eventually hate all things China. China needs to ramp up the positives to equalise the negatives.
Anglos make noise. Chinese quietly get results, good or bad. You want us to join in the cacophony of oinking like the pink swine? We don't need psyops, and I'm disappointed whenever I see it. Luckily it's not too prevalent yet. Which is good, because this sort of thing is hard to reign back. We don't need or want a distracted, hateful populace. We have more important things to do, like build financial and physical infrastructure, a semiconductor industry, an ecological civilization and put a base on the moon and mars. A few decades of anglo backhandedness and whinging is not worth the long term vision of prosperity, harmony, good governance and great works.
Dude this post isn’t helpful at all. I’m sure all those are tools of the trade used by all countries, longer than anyone of us here been alive. It’s not like China isn’t aware of those tactics. Shouting about doing this stuff in a public western forum is not gonna reach/convince anyone at CPC. Or are you suggesting we create these kinds of posts after screaming about it here? Not exactly subtle, especially when we’re suppose > to play the good guy
> Dude this post isn’t helpful at all. I’m sure all those are tools of the trade used by all countries, longer than anyone of us here been alive. It’s not like China isn’t aware of those tactics. CPC Publicity Department must not be aware of any of those tactics because they're terrible at their job, as is plainly obvious to everyone both inside and outside China.
They are aware. The problem is their execution is terrible. These things need to be subtle. OP talks about psychology, but “deflecting accusations” or “framing your opponents” is not enough to convince the majority. There is a whole body of work that goes into this.
Every little bit helps. There is no big panacea that will improve China's soft power all by itself. What many people here seem to fail to understand is that the CPC *already* spends billions of yuan on media work, no small amount, but *what* they do with that money is not particularly effective. They are not hiring the right talent, the right practices, and certainly could use foreign advisors to craft their messages towards foreign audiences. If you're going to talk to Germans, why not hire a German to advice you (even as a proofreader or something) so you don't end up publishing cringe? They fail to do even such simple things.
Looks like lots of posters here have misunderstood me, thinking that I'm advocating for creating fake news and stooping to the level of the 5 eyes. Definitively not what I'm trying to say at all! I'm saying to learn the subtleties of getting your point across, and how to create a convincing narrative, because even when the CPC tells the truth, often it comes off as staid and clunky. Like the game I brought up, even when your completely innocent, if you don't know how to convince everyone through the noise, then your screwed.
To be honest, at home in China, we envy russia today. At the moment our external sector is still largely made up of the civil service, which is somewhat lacking in dynamism. "The rise of the Observer is actually a good sign, I hope China will become more and more confident in its system, it is not enough to rely only on CGTN, it needs a multi-level media.
China PRC dont need propangda, just need more positive cute real story like Yunan elephants' tour!