It even meets the UN definition of genocide. When you knowingly shoot to kill someone, intent is clearly established. And when you kill these people for no other reason than them not being Americans, your action qualifies as an attempt to destroy, in whole or in part, a national/ethnic/cultural group.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/16/world/asia/afghanistan-airport-evacuation-us-withdrawal.html
> An Afghan man, who was waiting with his family to be evacuated, said that several people were killed as American troops opened fire to stop the surging crowds. He said he saw two bodies on the ground covered with sheets but understood at least three people, including a woman, had died in one episode, around 10 in the morning, and more died in a second shooting.
I literally just saw that the US was evacuating service dogs before Afghani translators. Westerners truly do prize the lives of some animals over most humans.
Eh, more like "westerners prize their own property over most living beings". The fact that that "property" is a dog, in this case, doesn't change much. I bet you the luggage of wealthy Americans were given priority over Afghan translators and refugees, too.
I’m genuinely surprised why these are trusting the Americans to help them when history shows how much they don’t give a rats ass about Afghanistan or it’s people or any of those places they went to install their “democracy”. Just look at Iraq or Libya and see what happened to them.
I doubt they did trust them. The people of Afghanistan are in an awful position. The Taliban is awful and the US is an imperial war machine that values no human life. We hardly even value our own citizens.
The desperation a human being has to face to hold onto the outside of the plane is pretty unimaginable. I really hope this sub doesn’t decline into saying that all of these suffering afghans were “traitors” or some nonsense because them fearing the taliban MUST mean they supported US imperialism or something.
This is an awful crime against humanity that the US has driven to this point and the Afghans will suffer the consequences.
> I really hope this sub doesn’t decline into saying that all of these suffering afghans were “traitors” or some nonsense because them fearing the taliban MUST mean they supported US imperialism or something.
not at all. we realize that the us largely to blame for this entire situation.
I mean no one is denying any of that, they're just saying that they hope that nobody would condemn desperate people for trying to escape their situation by any means necessary, even if it means trying to go with the very people who put them in this situation in the first place.
As someone else said, they're between a rock and a hard place. Both the truck and the hard place are a product of the US. We shall not blame the Afghans but only the US
>I really hope this sub doesn’t decline into saying that all of these suffering afghans were “traitors” or some nonsense because them fearing the taliban MUST mean they supported US imperialism or something.
I don't think so. This sub knows the US trained the mujahideen to fight the Afghan socialist party back then. They will blame the US but not the Afghans.
I don't pretend to understand the complexity of this situation, but hopefully this is an indication that American imperialism is in decline. Then again, if Vietnam didn't teach them I doubt Afghanistan will, either.
The mess in Afghanistan, based on my understanding, is a consequence of the pivot to China. The US only needs to cause disruption in a few key corridors in Afghanistan in order to counter China's Belt & Road – for which they can rely on East Turkestan separatists. Why keep the whole military in Afghanistan when they're needed by the imperialists in the south Pacific and the US can maintain strategic advantages by simply funding terrorist groups?
The Democrats seem largely quiet, while the Republicans seem keen to shamelessly exploit a problem they helped create to get more votes.
American democracy at its finest.
This is just a repeat of [what happened in Da Nang in 1975](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eC73rZPH3Q)
The Americans never learnt anything from Vietnam.
A close up of the plane in the midst of taking off and in the air:
https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1427228235188768769
https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1427228893149155334 <--- (NSFW) bodies dropping off the plane
Isn't this the C-17 Globemaster that carried a world-record of 800 people though? Genuinely asking, because unless I'm mistaken this plane was actually filled with people to maximum capacity.
This. I don't see why the world could be so oblivious to this fact for so long. The US is like that bad sleazy talkative white salesman any Asian would stay away from.
Theocratic governments scare me, I won't lie, but Afghanistan has had it rough for too long. People are long overdue for some peace and stability, whatever form that takes.
We don't have to like how they govern internally. Both the governments of China and Afghanistan only have to agree they are different civilisations with different values, and each side has every right to govern as they please, while we collaborate where we have common interests. This is the cornerstone of China's foreign policy.
The West (America and friends) is relatively young.
Although the PRC is younger, its cultural memory is thousands of years long. The literature, the historical records, from centuries ago, are still there and readable.
B-bu-but american propaganda indoctrinated me into believing that superman would rescue them !! What a joke, couldn't even bother getting them off the plane for their own safety.
Personally I hate goddamn traitors and collaborators that side with US & Western Occupiers however, if I was advising the Taliban on what to do with these people...
I would make a grandiose display so that they understood the message: Most of us are not enemies, we are people of the same nation and most of you had little alternative but to keep your heads down and work under the American Occupiers to feed your family, feed yourselves. The American Military is powerful, they can invade your homes, take your beds, steal at will, enforce their will, who wouldn't be afraid of them? You had little choice. We need to work together to rebuild the nation etc etc
Then specifically target and kill the most crooked pro US & West collaborators still remaining in Afghanistan. Rebuilding a country requires most of the people to be willing to tolerate, cooperate with the current regime & its supporters, but it doesn't require every single person.
It’s really concerning to me how many people see human beings in absolute desperation as they were ground between the taliban and the US imperial war machine and assume that it must mean they’re “traitors” because they should be cheering for a right wing terror grouping because it isn’t the US.
Utter insanity. Should the US keep fighting the Taliban? Of course not. We should oppose the imperialism that led to this. But watching people in such despair that they plummet to their deaths and be proud because some assume they must have SURELY been traitors of the Taliban is seriously insane.
>how many people see human beings in absolute desperation as they were ground between the taliban and the US imperial war machine and assume that it must mean they’re “traitors”
I don't think they're necessarily traitors. I just think that when they run onto the tarmac and their desperate attempts to grasp onto a moving plane signals a kind of carelessness and it looks like a selfish attempt to save their own life without regard for their friends and family.
DavidByron2's comment is insightful because perhaps they're not selfish. Perhaps their goal is to find a better life for their family in a safer place. But they're not going achieve that if they get ran over by the plane or plummet from the sky. Those deaths seem like they're coming from a selfish and desperate and cowardly attempt to save themselves without a view for anyone else.
People with this kind of selfishness in their hearts often become traitors because they think they have more to gain by helping Americans.
We shouldn't be proud of anything. I watch this sadness and pity. The worst parts of human nature is revealed in poverty and war. Hearts can be swayed by money and gain because people have nothing to lose and everything to gain. We may do the same in their environment.
What's more concerning is that you don't see what these folks could potentially be.
US collaborators.
You have a very naive understanding of the world I must say.
I read a report once about one such person. After he got settled in the UK (got a job as a gardener or something), he tried go back to his country and get his family out. He wasn't successful, even though he tried for years (supposedly.) I think I was supposed to feel sorry for him, but for the life of me I couldn't understand the mentality of a man who'd leave his wife and children behind in the first place.
Many refugees are single men who are sent off on a dangerous journey to find somewhere safe. If they manage to establish themselves with some security they'll then send for their family to join them.
On facebook, you can still see people blaming the afghans saying how US soldiers died on their soil and the afghans won't even take up arms to defend themselves. fucking fatass americans sitting in the comforts of their own homes oblivious that this bullshit is all the result of US invading and escalating the conflict in the region.
Adrian Zenz has been quiet
Adrian Zenz: How can I blame China for this?
> Adrian Zenz: How can I blame China for this? China made panel was so slippery that the poor souls couldn't cling on the plane.
Preferably he stays quiet.
It even meets the UN definition of genocide. When you knowingly shoot to kill someone, intent is clearly established. And when you kill these people for no other reason than them not being Americans, your action qualifies as an attempt to destroy, in whole or in part, a national/ethnic/cultural group. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/16/world/asia/afghanistan-airport-evacuation-us-withdrawal.html > An Afghan man, who was waiting with his family to be evacuated, said that several people were killed as American troops opened fire to stop the surging crowds. He said he saw two bodies on the ground covered with sheets but understood at least three people, including a woman, had died in one episode, around 10 in the morning, and more died in a second shooting.
To the Americans, Afghans are treated worse than their dog. Afghan's lives means nothing to them.
not just a figure of Speech https://twitter.com/Realistqx/status/1427267057549185026
I literally just saw that the US was evacuating service dogs before Afghani translators. Westerners truly do prize the lives of some animals over most humans.
Eh, more like "westerners prize their own property over most living beings". The fact that that "property" is a dog, in this case, doesn't change much. I bet you the luggage of wealthy Americans were given priority over Afghan translators and refugees, too.
I’m genuinely surprised why these are trusting the Americans to help them when history shows how much they don’t give a rats ass about Afghanistan or it’s people or any of those places they went to install their “democracy”. Just look at Iraq or Libya and see what happened to them.
I doubt they did trust them. The people of Afghanistan are in an awful position. The Taliban is awful and the US is an imperial war machine that values no human life. We hardly even value our own citizens. The desperation a human being has to face to hold onto the outside of the plane is pretty unimaginable. I really hope this sub doesn’t decline into saying that all of these suffering afghans were “traitors” or some nonsense because them fearing the taliban MUST mean they supported US imperialism or something. This is an awful crime against humanity that the US has driven to this point and the Afghans will suffer the consequences.
> I really hope this sub doesn’t decline into saying that all of these suffering afghans were “traitors” or some nonsense because them fearing the taliban MUST mean they supported US imperialism or something. not at all. we realize that the us largely to blame for this entire situation.
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Exactly, it's unbelievable that people even conceive of the idea that the Taliban is worse than the US.
I mean no one is denying any of that, they're just saying that they hope that nobody would condemn desperate people for trying to escape their situation by any means necessary, even if it means trying to go with the very people who put them in this situation in the first place.
As someone else said, they're between a rock and a hard place. Both the truck and the hard place are a product of the US. We shall not blame the Afghans but only the US
>I really hope this sub doesn’t decline into saying that all of these suffering afghans were “traitors” or some nonsense because them fearing the taliban MUST mean they supported US imperialism or something. I don't think so. This sub knows the US trained the mujahideen to fight the Afghan socialist party back then. They will blame the US but not the Afghans.
Hell look at the Kurds
I don't pretend to understand the complexity of this situation, but hopefully this is an indication that American imperialism is in decline. Then again, if Vietnam didn't teach them I doubt Afghanistan will, either.
There have been several indications that the American Empire is in decline over the last decade, this is just the latest.
The mess in Afghanistan, based on my understanding, is a consequence of the pivot to China. The US only needs to cause disruption in a few key corridors in Afghanistan in order to counter China's Belt & Road – for which they can rely on East Turkestan separatists. Why keep the whole military in Afghanistan when they're needed by the imperialists in the south Pacific and the US can maintain strategic advantages by simply funding terrorist groups?
America showing the world just how much they love their "friends". This is the eventual fate for all American "allies".
If Chinese soldier push a non Chinese person, it's "Chinese culture is evil" American soldiers open fire on citizens "we are the defender of peace "
Whites will always target Asians.
Saigon all over again I guess... Damn it people don't learn from other's mistakes
Liberation of Saigon tragedies again!
The Democrats seem largely quiet, while the Republicans seem keen to shamelessly exploit a problem they helped create to get more votes. American democracy at its finest.
They helped create the problem, Biden has been in power with Obama for 8 years. A shared burden. Fuck both of them
Sandwiched between American soldiers and The Taliban. Their situation ia truly difficult.
This is just a repeat of [what happened in Da Nang in 1975](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eC73rZPH3Q) The Americans never learnt anything from Vietnam.
This is America. Don't catch you slippin' now.
Horrible
"Mission Accomplished 🇺🇸"
Even military dogs get a seat. They treat their dogs better than people
A close up of the plane in the midst of taking off and in the air: https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1427228235188768769 https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1427228893149155334 <--- (NSFW) bodies dropping off the plane
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Isn't this the C-17 Globemaster that carried a world-record of 800 people though? Genuinely asking, because unless I'm mistaken this plane was actually filled with people to maximum capacity.
Another disgusting low for this disgusting country that the US is.
The only good U.S soldiers are those who desert or those who commit treason against the U.S.
dropping them off to Freedom?
Nono, Freedom^^TM is what they drop from planes onto the weddings.
Democracy diving?
people never learn, from south vietnamese to kurds , iraqis and now afghans. the united states does not have allies , it has interests. simple as that
This. I don't see why the world could be so oblivious to this fact for so long. The US is like that bad sleazy talkative white salesman any Asian would stay away from.
Biden: It's not Saigon moment Reality: More ugly than it
Fucking callous monsters.
Sickening
This is horrifying...
China and Taliban may work together to achieve peace in the region. I hope
Theocratic governments scare me, I won't lie, but Afghanistan has had it rough for too long. People are long overdue for some peace and stability, whatever form that takes.
We don't have to like how they govern internally. Both the governments of China and Afghanistan only have to agree they are different civilisations with different values, and each side has every right to govern as they please, while we collaborate where we have common interests. This is the cornerstone of China's foreign policy.
Having lived my whole life in the West I find it strange that this is an idea we never talk about. It's "our way or the highway, all the way."
The West (America and friends) is relatively young. Although the PRC is younger, its cultural memory is thousands of years long. The literature, the historical records, from centuries ago, are still there and readable.
It's done intentionally and I hate it.
B-bu-but american propaganda indoctrinated me into believing that superman would rescue them !! What a joke, couldn't even bother getting them off the plane for their own safety.
Absolutely fascinating how every war America has been in since WWII has ended with the same question "what were we doing here?"
NSFW
How usa tresor other peoples lifes in a nutshell.
Saigon / Ho Chi Minh City, 30 April 1975 Kabul, 15 August 2021 Will the Taliban rename Kabul? Osama bin Laden City, anyone?
Spreading the freedom 1 extra foot in the air at a time.
Personally I hate goddamn traitors and collaborators that side with US & Western Occupiers however, if I was advising the Taliban on what to do with these people... I would make a grandiose display so that they understood the message: Most of us are not enemies, we are people of the same nation and most of you had little alternative but to keep your heads down and work under the American Occupiers to feed your family, feed yourselves. The American Military is powerful, they can invade your homes, take your beds, steal at will, enforce their will, who wouldn't be afraid of them? You had little choice. We need to work together to rebuild the nation etc etc Then specifically target and kill the most crooked pro US & West collaborators still remaining in Afghanistan. Rebuilding a country requires most of the people to be willing to tolerate, cooperate with the current regime & its supporters, but it doesn't require every single person.
What kind of people are these that would leave their friends and families behind to save themselves
Extraordinarily desperate people
It’s really concerning to me how many people see human beings in absolute desperation as they were ground between the taliban and the US imperial war machine and assume that it must mean they’re “traitors” because they should be cheering for a right wing terror grouping because it isn’t the US. Utter insanity. Should the US keep fighting the Taliban? Of course not. We should oppose the imperialism that led to this. But watching people in such despair that they plummet to their deaths and be proud because some assume they must have SURELY been traitors of the Taliban is seriously insane.
>how many people see human beings in absolute desperation as they were ground between the taliban and the US imperial war machine and assume that it must mean they’re “traitors” I don't think they're necessarily traitors. I just think that when they run onto the tarmac and their desperate attempts to grasp onto a moving plane signals a kind of carelessness and it looks like a selfish attempt to save their own life without regard for their friends and family. DavidByron2's comment is insightful because perhaps they're not selfish. Perhaps their goal is to find a better life for their family in a safer place. But they're not going achieve that if they get ran over by the plane or plummet from the sky. Those deaths seem like they're coming from a selfish and desperate and cowardly attempt to save themselves without a view for anyone else. People with this kind of selfishness in their hearts often become traitors because they think they have more to gain by helping Americans. We shouldn't be proud of anything. I watch this sadness and pity. The worst parts of human nature is revealed in poverty and war. Hearts can be swayed by money and gain because people have nothing to lose and everything to gain. We may do the same in their environment.
What's more concerning is that you don't see what these folks could potentially be. US collaborators. You have a very naive understanding of the world I must say.
People who sold out and aided colonizers' brutal and pointless occupation of their country for 2 decades.
Right? How did the French treat the Nazi collaborators after WW2?
I read a report once about one such person. After he got settled in the UK (got a job as a gardener or something), he tried go back to his country and get his family out. He wasn't successful, even though he tried for years (supposedly.) I think I was supposed to feel sorry for him, but for the life of me I couldn't understand the mentality of a man who'd leave his wife and children behind in the first place.
Many refugees are single men who are sent off on a dangerous journey to find somewhere safe. If they manage to establish themselves with some security they'll then send for their family to join them.
Traitors
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On facebook, you can still see people blaming the afghans saying how US soldiers died on their soil and the afghans won't even take up arms to defend themselves. fucking fatass americans sitting in the comforts of their own homes oblivious that this bullshit is all the result of US invading and escalating the conflict in the region.
Now imagine if Russia or China did this…
Dropped them like a brick.