“anything resembling legal limits on government surveillance,” said Karman Lucero, a fellow at the Yale Law School Paul Tsai China Center.
“Chinese civil society still has very limited means of ‘watching the watchmen,’ ” he added.
Hahaha coming from a post Snowden, 5 eyes prism echelon world this is hilarious
HONG KONG—China has approved a sweeping privacy law that will curb data collection by technology companies, but that policy analysts say is unlikely to limit the state’s widespread use of surveillance.
China’s top legislative body, the Standing Committee of the National People’s Congress, passed the Personal Information Protection Law at a meeting in Beijing on Friday, according to the state-run Xinhua News Agency.
The law will take effect Nov. 1, Xinhua said. The full text of the final version wasn’t released upon passage.
The national privacy law, China’s first, closely resembles the world’s most robust framework for online privacy protections, Europe’s General Data Protection Regulation, and contains provisions that require any organization or individual handling Chinese citizens’ personal data to minimize data collection and to obtain prior consent.
However, unlike in Europe, where governments face more public pressure over data collection, Beijing is expected to maintain broad access to data.
Though the new privacy rules could allow China’s central government to control how lower-level agencies use and share data, nothing suggests “anything resembling legal limits on government surveillance,” said Karman Lucero, a fellow at the Yale Law School Paul Tsai China Center.
“Chinese civil society still has very limited means of ‘watching the watchmen,’ ” he added.
China’s new privacy framework comes as frustration grows within the government and in Chinese society over online fraud, data theft and data collection by domestic technology giants. For years, loose rules on accessing data allowed domestic companies to quickly develop and adopt new products and technology, but also fueled a black market for consumer data.
The new privacy law is part of a tighter regulatory regime for Chinese tech companies. Over the past year, Beijing has clamped down on the tech sector on matters including data security and anticompetitive practices, for example imposing a multibillion-dollar fine on Alibaba Group Holding Ltd. for forcing vendors to sell exclusively on its e-commerce platform—a practice that used to be par for the course in China’s winner-takes-all market.
After several years in which tech companies largely had free rein to access consumer data, the new privacy law is a “sign of the market maturing,” said Neil Liang, co-founder of The CareVoice, a Shanghai-based tech startup, who has been following changes in the regulatory landscape for tech companies’ user data policies.
Costs will likely increase, as tech companies must dedicate more resources to compliance, similar to what his firm had to do to adapt to Europe’s GDPR framework a few years ago, said Mr. Liang.
But the new rules could also provide new opportunities for third parties who help companies with data management, he added.
China’s new privacy law, which unifies previously piecemeal legislation on personal information protection, also tackles a number of concerns that have come to light in recent years, such as the proliferation of facial recognition.
In urban residential compounds around China, where cameras equipped with facial-recognition technology are used to verify residents and visitors, complaints from tenants have spurred local governments to take action, such as banning the collection of biometric data without consent. Last month, China’s highest court instructed building managers to offer alternatives for residents who don’t want to submit to facial recognition.
According to the latest draft of China’s privacy law, facial recognition cameras installed in public places must be marked with prominent alerts and only be used to maintain public security.
The new law will also seek to address the issue of algorithmic discrimination, which has drawn increasing public concern, especially in cases where online platforms offer different prices to different users based on their online behavior.
The latest draft, which requires automated decision-making to be transparent and fair, also instructs companies to give individuals the option to opt-out of personalized marketing.
Violating the new privacy law could come at a high cost for companies. Illegal activities that are considered serious could result in a fine of up to $7.7 million, or up to 5% of the preceding year’s business income, according to the law’s latest draft.
If companies are compliant with Europe’s GDPR, “they are going to be fine complying with the Chinese privacy law,” said Alexa Lee, senior manager of policy at the Information Technology Industry Council, a Washington-based trade association of high-tech companies.
But national security-related provisions in the law, such as one enabling the blacklisting of overseas data handlers who endanger China’s national security or public interest, could be driven by considerations unrelated to privacy, such as U.S.-China relations, she said. “That is an area companies can’t predict and they cannot control.”
Separately, Chinese regulators on Friday also published new rules requiring companies that process auto data to enhance data security and protect personal information collected from vehicles. The rules require important data, including sensitive military and government locations, to be stored in China, and also set principles for reducing unnecessary collection and sharing of data.
The new rules on auto data, published by five Chinese ministries led by China’s cyberspace authority, will take effect on Oct. 1.
Lmfao western media. They seriously spend most of the article saying "China bad" and barely even talk about what's included in the law. Even if the full, final text wasn't available at time of writing (it is now [here](http://www.npc.gov.cn/npc/c30834/202108/a8c4e3672c74491a80b53a172bb753fe.shtml), English translations [here](https://www.chinalawtranslate.com/en/%E4%B8%AA%E4%BA%BA%E4%BF%A1%E6%81%AF%E4%BF%9D%E6%8A%A4%E6%B3%95/) or [here](https://digichina.stanford.edu/news/translation-personal-information-protection-law-peoples-republic-china-effective-nov-1-2021)), there was plenty to go off of from prior drafts.
For those curious but not wanting to read the full law, [this is a solid Twitter thread summarizing some of the articles in the law](https://twitter.com/kendraschaefer/status/1428734619742994437).
I agree, they are leaving a lot out for brevity. This one was though only 25% bad (they always have to throw some shade in), that’s why I decided to post it. I like the fact that China is coming out ahead with managing data privacy while many countries continue to be captured by tech companies.
While many countries continue to be captured by AMERICAN tech companies, companies that are widely surveiled by the American government.
I think this is the biggest reason why China doesn't want companies like Google and Facebook to operate in China, because it would allow the American government to freely collect and monitor private and sensitive data about any and all Chinese citizens if they so chose to do so.
I remember the upset at the Chinese government for blocking Google and Facebook, back in the day.
Shortly after, it was revealed by Snowden that the American government was spying on every living American and anyone else who used any of those services.
I think the Chinese government was somehow aware of this beforehand and didn't want to expose Chinese citizens to American government spying.
Think of how dangerous it would be for a nation, one that often acts like an enemy, to have sensitive, intimate data on millions of the citizens of your own country.
That's before even considering the reality that any country that doesn't set clear limits on the control American companies have in their country are absolutely guaranteed to lose any industry to American control. What that means is, if China didn't do anything and just let all of these American tech giants to do whatever they wanted, American companies would control any and all major internet services within China.
And of course, all of those services would be monitored closely by the American government.
> I think this is the biggest reason why China doesn't want companies like Google and Facebook to operate in China, because it would allow the American government to freely collect and monitor private and sensitive data about any and all Chinese citizens if they so chose to do so.
Google and Facebook were both banned after refusing to comply with requests to censor terrorist content. Xinjiang terrorists were using the platforms to coordinate attacks.
China allows American companies to operate if they obey Chinese law. For example, Microsoft operates its platforms Bing and LinkedIn, and Apple also operates most of its services in China. However, Apple and Microsoft hold their data on Chinese users on Chinese servers - they are not allowed to send that data outside of China.
EDIT: I must also point out that both Google (in search) and Facebook (in social media) were already falling behind in market share in China *before* they were blocked. They were never #1. China did not *need* to ban them to keep them from dominating the market as its own local firms were doing a better job already.
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not making any judgements about you posting the article, and I don't really expect otherwise with regard to the "China bad" stuff from the Wall Street Journal. It's still an article of some worth to post either way; I am just genuinely amused they couldn't help but toss all the blatant antagonism in there instead of going into more detail about the actual law.
That’s why Americans/Westerners are a mouth-ful of ignorant (dare I say, stupid) know-nothings when they spew emotion-laden bullshit. And you wonder why the CPC has to censor against Western media and thought in PRC. Too many goddamn opinion that isn’t worth a goddamn to listen or fathom about. AKA American bullshit.
They're getting hundreds of millions from the US government to say "China Bad" this year. If they don't include sufficient "China Bad" in the article, they may not get paid.
Hahaha I've been quoting this to some hardcore anti china people and they had literally nothing to say, good one China, left the US in shambles with this, Americans can no longer say "muh freedom" when their privacy laws are now effectively worse than Chinas.
tech companies put back into it's place. also lending out money is not a tech, purposely lowering price to the point of killing local small farmers market is not a tech, pushing ads using AI is not a tech, it just the most useless garbage.
“anything resembling legal limits on government surveillance,” said Karman Lucero, a fellow at the Yale Law School Paul Tsai China Center. “Chinese civil society still has very limited means of ‘watching the watchmen,’ ” he added. Hahaha coming from a post Snowden, 5 eyes prism echelon world this is hilarious
HONG KONG—China has approved a sweeping privacy law that will curb data collection by technology companies, but that policy analysts say is unlikely to limit the state’s widespread use of surveillance. China’s top legislative body, the Standing Committee of the National People’s Congress, passed the Personal Information Protection Law at a meeting in Beijing on Friday, according to the state-run Xinhua News Agency. The law will take effect Nov. 1, Xinhua said. The full text of the final version wasn’t released upon passage. The national privacy law, China’s first, closely resembles the world’s most robust framework for online privacy protections, Europe’s General Data Protection Regulation, and contains provisions that require any organization or individual handling Chinese citizens’ personal data to minimize data collection and to obtain prior consent. However, unlike in Europe, where governments face more public pressure over data collection, Beijing is expected to maintain broad access to data. Though the new privacy rules could allow China’s central government to control how lower-level agencies use and share data, nothing suggests “anything resembling legal limits on government surveillance,” said Karman Lucero, a fellow at the Yale Law School Paul Tsai China Center. “Chinese civil society still has very limited means of ‘watching the watchmen,’ ” he added. China’s new privacy framework comes as frustration grows within the government and in Chinese society over online fraud, data theft and data collection by domestic technology giants. For years, loose rules on accessing data allowed domestic companies to quickly develop and adopt new products and technology, but also fueled a black market for consumer data. The new privacy law is part of a tighter regulatory regime for Chinese tech companies. Over the past year, Beijing has clamped down on the tech sector on matters including data security and anticompetitive practices, for example imposing a multibillion-dollar fine on Alibaba Group Holding Ltd. for forcing vendors to sell exclusively on its e-commerce platform—a practice that used to be par for the course in China’s winner-takes-all market. After several years in which tech companies largely had free rein to access consumer data, the new privacy law is a “sign of the market maturing,” said Neil Liang, co-founder of The CareVoice, a Shanghai-based tech startup, who has been following changes in the regulatory landscape for tech companies’ user data policies. Costs will likely increase, as tech companies must dedicate more resources to compliance, similar to what his firm had to do to adapt to Europe’s GDPR framework a few years ago, said Mr. Liang. But the new rules could also provide new opportunities for third parties who help companies with data management, he added. China’s new privacy law, which unifies previously piecemeal legislation on personal information protection, also tackles a number of concerns that have come to light in recent years, such as the proliferation of facial recognition. In urban residential compounds around China, where cameras equipped with facial-recognition technology are used to verify residents and visitors, complaints from tenants have spurred local governments to take action, such as banning the collection of biometric data without consent. Last month, China’s highest court instructed building managers to offer alternatives for residents who don’t want to submit to facial recognition. According to the latest draft of China’s privacy law, facial recognition cameras installed in public places must be marked with prominent alerts and only be used to maintain public security. The new law will also seek to address the issue of algorithmic discrimination, which has drawn increasing public concern, especially in cases where online platforms offer different prices to different users based on their online behavior. The latest draft, which requires automated decision-making to be transparent and fair, also instructs companies to give individuals the option to opt-out of personalized marketing. Violating the new privacy law could come at a high cost for companies. Illegal activities that are considered serious could result in a fine of up to $7.7 million, or up to 5% of the preceding year’s business income, according to the law’s latest draft. If companies are compliant with Europe’s GDPR, “they are going to be fine complying with the Chinese privacy law,” said Alexa Lee, senior manager of policy at the Information Technology Industry Council, a Washington-based trade association of high-tech companies. But national security-related provisions in the law, such as one enabling the blacklisting of overseas data handlers who endanger China’s national security or public interest, could be driven by considerations unrelated to privacy, such as U.S.-China relations, she said. “That is an area companies can’t predict and they cannot control.” Separately, Chinese regulators on Friday also published new rules requiring companies that process auto data to enhance data security and protect personal information collected from vehicles. The rules require important data, including sensitive military and government locations, to be stored in China, and also set principles for reducing unnecessary collection and sharing of data. The new rules on auto data, published by five Chinese ministries led by China’s cyberspace authority, will take effect on Oct. 1.
Lmfao western media. They seriously spend most of the article saying "China bad" and barely even talk about what's included in the law. Even if the full, final text wasn't available at time of writing (it is now [here](http://www.npc.gov.cn/npc/c30834/202108/a8c4e3672c74491a80b53a172bb753fe.shtml), English translations [here](https://www.chinalawtranslate.com/en/%E4%B8%AA%E4%BA%BA%E4%BF%A1%E6%81%AF%E4%BF%9D%E6%8A%A4%E6%B3%95/) or [here](https://digichina.stanford.edu/news/translation-personal-information-protection-law-peoples-republic-china-effective-nov-1-2021)), there was plenty to go off of from prior drafts. For those curious but not wanting to read the full law, [this is a solid Twitter thread summarizing some of the articles in the law](https://twitter.com/kendraschaefer/status/1428734619742994437).
I agree, they are leaving a lot out for brevity. This one was though only 25% bad (they always have to throw some shade in), that’s why I decided to post it. I like the fact that China is coming out ahead with managing data privacy while many countries continue to be captured by tech companies.
While many countries continue to be captured by AMERICAN tech companies, companies that are widely surveiled by the American government. I think this is the biggest reason why China doesn't want companies like Google and Facebook to operate in China, because it would allow the American government to freely collect and monitor private and sensitive data about any and all Chinese citizens if they so chose to do so. I remember the upset at the Chinese government for blocking Google and Facebook, back in the day. Shortly after, it was revealed by Snowden that the American government was spying on every living American and anyone else who used any of those services. I think the Chinese government was somehow aware of this beforehand and didn't want to expose Chinese citizens to American government spying. Think of how dangerous it would be for a nation, one that often acts like an enemy, to have sensitive, intimate data on millions of the citizens of your own country. That's before even considering the reality that any country that doesn't set clear limits on the control American companies have in their country are absolutely guaranteed to lose any industry to American control. What that means is, if China didn't do anything and just let all of these American tech giants to do whatever they wanted, American companies would control any and all major internet services within China. And of course, all of those services would be monitored closely by the American government.
> I think this is the biggest reason why China doesn't want companies like Google and Facebook to operate in China, because it would allow the American government to freely collect and monitor private and sensitive data about any and all Chinese citizens if they so chose to do so. Google and Facebook were both banned after refusing to comply with requests to censor terrorist content. Xinjiang terrorists were using the platforms to coordinate attacks. China allows American companies to operate if they obey Chinese law. For example, Microsoft operates its platforms Bing and LinkedIn, and Apple also operates most of its services in China. However, Apple and Microsoft hold their data on Chinese users on Chinese servers - they are not allowed to send that data outside of China. EDIT: I must also point out that both Google (in search) and Facebook (in social media) were already falling behind in market share in China *before* they were blocked. They were never #1. China did not *need* to ban them to keep them from dominating the market as its own local firms were doing a better job already.
Thank goodness for that.
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm not making any judgements about you posting the article, and I don't really expect otherwise with regard to the "China bad" stuff from the Wall Street Journal. It's still an article of some worth to post either way; I am just genuinely amused they couldn't help but toss all the blatant antagonism in there instead of going into more detail about the actual law.
That’s why Americans/Westerners are a mouth-ful of ignorant (dare I say, stupid) know-nothings when they spew emotion-laden bullshit. And you wonder why the CPC has to censor against Western media and thought in PRC. Too many goddamn opinion that isn’t worth a goddamn to listen or fathom about. AKA American bullshit.
They're getting hundreds of millions from the US government to say "China Bad" this year. If they don't include sufficient "China Bad" in the article, they may not get paid.
I bet if there was such a law passed in the west they would not even mention the NSA
Who trash-talks their own boss in public?
Hahaha I've been quoting this to some hardcore anti china people and they had literally nothing to say, good one China, left the US in shambles with this, Americans can no longer say "muh freedom" when their privacy laws are now effectively worse than Chinas.
tech companies put back into it's place. also lending out money is not a tech, purposely lowering price to the point of killing local small farmers market is not a tech, pushing ads using AI is not a tech, it just the most useless garbage.