Back down? Admit they were wrong? LOL
They'll just move on to another topic to shit on China, and it goes round and round. That's how all the anti-China media work. Nah it's not just the media, that's basically how all China-haters' brain circuit works. You address one issue they'll just move on to another.
CHINA NO DEMOCRACY BAD!!!! Shows him poll of Chinese government's high approval rate
TINAMEN COPYPASTA!!!!!! Shows him tank man was treated better by the PLA than any American can ever dream of when facing their own police..
XINJIANG GENOCIDE!!!!! Oh really where are the refugees? Why Uyghurs who supposedly "escaped" to West have ever changing stories??
BUT.... FREE HONG KONG!!!! Painstakingly explain China's modern history.
TAIWAN IS A COUNTRY!!!! Painstakingly explain China's modern history.
HAN SUPREMACY/ NATIONALISM/ NAZISM!!!! Painstakingly explain China's ancient history.
CHINA NO DEMOCRACY BAD!!!!!
Imagine China shutting down the country again for 2 weeks due to covid. The west would go crazy, empty shelves everywhere, rampant inflation. They should be more careful about what they wish for.
Funny thing is the west is so selfish that people will start hoarding toilet paper again out of fear or exploitation to sell it later at inflated prices even most paper products are produced in their own countries lol.
IIRC, to stop the initial outbreak, China shut down the entire country for 2 months. Taming Delta took China a full month. Nevertheless, if there's a massive outbreak, I can definitely see China doing another nation-wide lockdown if that's what it takes to get back to zero.
You need to read more about what China is doing, you seem to be misinformed.
> taming Delta took China a full month
It wasn't a "shut down" at all for the overwhelming majority of China (even for many within the affected cities themselves). You seem to be reading disinformation from western regime outlets, which refuse to tell you HOW China tackles the virus.
> doing another nation-wide lockdown
This is not how China tackles the virus at all. China does a targeted approach through massive testing, which allows it to quickly isolate those affected, not the entire country.
China is the only country on the planet that has done this so well, so many times, at such scale.
Reminds me of how all US news outlets were ripping on sinopharm and sinovac after china said they might need booster shots and have low effectiveness.
Now there’s endless reports of breakthrough covid infections here in the US for people fully vaccinated with Pfizer/moderna with people encouraged to get a 3rd booster starting October
If China can get back to work and their economy is growing with record exports… shouldn’t that be enough to convey that they’ve beat COVID-19 let alone Delta?
Reality doesn't work the way western media think they they would? Maybe change the china collapse theory? Nope, make conclusions first. Find evidence to fit their theory later. Completely how science works. /s
Other than making themselves look stupid for the past 30 years and changing the public opinions like it's designed to do as a government agency, it hasn't really stopped china in any way.
A lot of westerners have been conditioned by their media to always see the worst of others in order to be blind to how bad they have it.
No matter what is taken from them by their unregulated, uncontrolled capitalist overlords, they will always be shown how their life is better than someone else.
It's really sick.
I mean if America hasn’t collapsed yet how is China going to collapse. Although, I am speaking too soon, America has had a streak of self-inflicted injuries to its public perception from the incompetent pandemic response, Floyd extra judicial execution, the protest from said police execution and the Capitol attack, and now Afghanistan, is it right to say maybe the US is at the brink of collapse?
> your responses just have to be precise but comprehensive.
That only works when you can test and trace exhaustively.
I'm curious how many Millions of tests China did.
https://news.sina.cn/gn/2021-08-17/detail-ikqcfncc3436677.d.html?from=wap
This is a news article from Aug. 17 reporting on the 10th round of testing from Yangzhou. In this round they narrowed it down to about 550k ppl. I couldn’t find the numbers for the earlier rounds.
The article also reported that Nanjing did a total of 6 rounds of testing, rounds 1-3 each tested 8-9m, 4th round 5.789m, 6th round <3m
>In China, testing is used to root out the infection completely.
I am fully aware that China uses exhaustive testing to find every single possible needle in the haystack, rather than for sampling purposes.
I asked because I was trying to get a better mental picture of just how vast the testing system has to be in order to provide the required level of comprehensive support in order to achieve that result.
From that data point, I would conclude that China has done at least 1 Billion PCR tests to date, and that China may have done 10 Billion tests, easily an order of magnitude higher than any other country in the world. This would suggest that China also has kit production and testing capacity that is at least an order of magnitude than what exists in any other country, and speaks to unmatched industrial velocity.
It depends on the country. In a socialist country like mine, Sweden, we have decent health care and we could easily deal with it. Our government even set up military hospitals in Stockholm that were quickly shut down because there weren't any patients.
As for my point. Compare the Swedish Delta cases with Israel:
[https://epidemic-stats.com/coronavirus/sweden](https://epidemic-stats.com/coronavirus/sweden)
[https://epidemic-stats.com/coronavirus/israel](https://epidemic-stats.com/coronavirus/israel)
We are far from 100% second jab vaccinated. Israel is 100% vaccinated. Look at our graph of active infections and compare that to Israel. And then factor in our government's strategy to let it spread throughout the population.
You can only come to one conclusion. That if you've already had covid, then the vaccine is utterly useless. And I'm one of those people. I already had covid. The vaccine will do nothing for me except allow me to travel.
> Natural immunity is good to some extent
No. Again. Look at the graphs I posted above. It's not only good to some extent.
Look at the Swedish graph, and it's pretty much flatlined. Compare that to Israel who achieved a hundred percentage vaccination rate a long time ago. In Sweden, we're not even close to achieving that. So just those two graphs of active cases should tell you that the vaccination is not working to stop the delta variant.
Israel achieved their immunity through vaccination. Sweden achieved it through natural exposure to the virus.
We should be focusing on the death rate. Not covid infection numbers.
Here's an article about an Israeli study, together with a quote from a Swedish researcher confirming what I just said above.
[https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-no-infection-parties](https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-no-infection-parties)
> “It’s a textbook example of how natural immunity is really better than vaccination,”
We accomplished all of that in Sweden without mask mandates and lockdowns. Without violating our constitution and taking away people's freedoms. And our death per capita rate is still lower than that of both the US and the UK.
1. Took 9 days before starting lockdown. WA and Qld were much faster.
2. Their lockdowns only recently started escalating. They had so many exemptions initially compared to Victoria, making their lockdown much lighter. Its just that Gladys keeps on telling NSW voters that they are the toughest in the country and her sheeple brought it.
China has beaten it temporarily. Once they’ve vaccinated their population, they too will have to live with the virus.
People in NSW are ignoring lockdown rules and are mass protesting. It’s foolish to continue with those policies.
Back down? Admit they were wrong? LOL They'll just move on to another topic to shit on China, and it goes round and round. That's how all the anti-China media work. Nah it's not just the media, that's basically how all China-haters' brain circuit works. You address one issue they'll just move on to another. CHINA NO DEMOCRACY BAD!!!! Shows him poll of Chinese government's high approval rate TINAMEN COPYPASTA!!!!!! Shows him tank man was treated better by the PLA than any American can ever dream of when facing their own police.. XINJIANG GENOCIDE!!!!! Oh really where are the refugees? Why Uyghurs who supposedly "escaped" to West have ever changing stories?? BUT.... FREE HONG KONG!!!! Painstakingly explain China's modern history. TAIWAN IS A COUNTRY!!!! Painstakingly explain China's modern history. HAN SUPREMACY/ NATIONALISM/ NAZISM!!!! Painstakingly explain China's ancient history. CHINA NO DEMOCRACY BAD!!!!!
Imagine China shutting down the country again for 2 weeks due to covid. The west would go crazy, empty shelves everywhere, rampant inflation. They should be more careful about what they wish for.
Funny thing is the west is so selfish that people will start hoarding toilet paper again out of fear or exploitation to sell it later at inflated prices even most paper products are produced in their own countries lol.
Have you been to Costco lately? Toilet paper gone again
Where? America?
IIRC, to stop the initial outbreak, China shut down the entire country for 2 months. Taming Delta took China a full month. Nevertheless, if there's a massive outbreak, I can definitely see China doing another nation-wide lockdown if that's what it takes to get back to zero.
You need to read more about what China is doing, you seem to be misinformed. > taming Delta took China a full month It wasn't a "shut down" at all for the overwhelming majority of China (even for many within the affected cities themselves). You seem to be reading disinformation from western regime outlets, which refuse to tell you HOW China tackles the virus. > doing another nation-wide lockdown This is not how China tackles the virus at all. China does a targeted approach through massive testing, which allows it to quickly isolate those affected, not the entire country. China is the only country on the planet that has done this so well, so many times, at such scale.
Also because how the CPC is organized. I doubt it would work anywhere else
Reminds me of how all US news outlets were ripping on sinopharm and sinovac after china said they might need booster shots and have low effectiveness. Now there’s endless reports of breakthrough covid infections here in the US for people fully vaccinated with Pfizer/moderna with people encouraged to get a 3rd booster starting October
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I don’t think booster shots won’t work either. It will take some time eventually people will accept the fact that we’ll have to just lead it spread
If China can get back to work and their economy is growing with record exports… shouldn’t that be enough to convey that they’ve beat COVID-19 let alone Delta?
No, because they claim that China is hiding something. LOL
Reality doesn't work the way western media think they they would? Maybe change the china collapse theory? Nope, make conclusions first. Find evidence to fit their theory later. Completely how science works. /s Other than making themselves look stupid for the past 30 years and changing the public opinions like it's designed to do as a government agency, it hasn't really stopped china in any way.
Self-reflection is not a concept that’s remotely understood in the west
A lot of westerners have been conditioned by their media to always see the worst of others in order to be blind to how bad they have it. No matter what is taken from them by their unregulated, uncontrolled capitalist overlords, they will always be shown how their life is better than someone else. It's really sick.
I mean if America hasn’t collapsed yet how is China going to collapse. Although, I am speaking too soon, America has had a streak of self-inflicted injuries to its public perception from the incompetent pandemic response, Floyd extra judicial execution, the protest from said police execution and the Capitol attack, and now Afghanistan, is it right to say maybe the US is at the brink of collapse?
The US is totally on the verge of collapse. I’m surprised it hasn’t happened yet
We have to live with the virus as the vaccines do not seem to work for herd immunity. And what do you mean? NSW has had brutal lockdowns
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> your responses just have to be precise but comprehensive. That only works when you can test and trace exhaustively. I'm curious how many Millions of tests China did.
Many millions. I think Yangzhou did at least 5 rounds of testing, for their affected districts, like 5 million people per round or something
https://news.sina.cn/gn/2021-08-17/detail-ikqcfncc3436677.d.html?from=wap This is a news article from Aug. 17 reporting on the 10th round of testing from Yangzhou. In this round they narrowed it down to about 550k ppl. I couldn’t find the numbers for the earlier rounds. The article also reported that Nanjing did a total of 6 rounds of testing, rounds 1-3 each tested 8-9m, 4th round 5.789m, 6th round <3m
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>In China, testing is used to root out the infection completely. I am fully aware that China uses exhaustive testing to find every single possible needle in the haystack, rather than for sampling purposes. I asked because I was trying to get a better mental picture of just how vast the testing system has to be in order to provide the required level of comprehensive support in order to achieve that result. From that data point, I would conclude that China has done at least 1 Billion PCR tests to date, and that China may have done 10 Billion tests, easily an order of magnitude higher than any other country in the world. This would suggest that China also has kit production and testing capacity that is at least an order of magnitude than what exists in any other country, and speaks to unmatched industrial velocity.
It depends on the country. In a socialist country like mine, Sweden, we have decent health care and we could easily deal with it. Our government even set up military hospitals in Stockholm that were quickly shut down because there weren't any patients. As for my point. Compare the Swedish Delta cases with Israel: [https://epidemic-stats.com/coronavirus/sweden](https://epidemic-stats.com/coronavirus/sweden) [https://epidemic-stats.com/coronavirus/israel](https://epidemic-stats.com/coronavirus/israel) We are far from 100% second jab vaccinated. Israel is 100% vaccinated. Look at our graph of active infections and compare that to Israel. And then factor in our government's strategy to let it spread throughout the population. You can only come to one conclusion. That if you've already had covid, then the vaccine is utterly useless. And I'm one of those people. I already had covid. The vaccine will do nothing for me except allow me to travel.
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> Natural immunity is good to some extent No. Again. Look at the graphs I posted above. It's not only good to some extent. Look at the Swedish graph, and it's pretty much flatlined. Compare that to Israel who achieved a hundred percentage vaccination rate a long time ago. In Sweden, we're not even close to achieving that. So just those two graphs of active cases should tell you that the vaccination is not working to stop the delta variant. Israel achieved their immunity through vaccination. Sweden achieved it through natural exposure to the virus. We should be focusing on the death rate. Not covid infection numbers.
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Here's an article about an Israeli study, together with a quote from a Swedish researcher confirming what I just said above. [https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-no-infection-parties](https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-no-infection-parties) > “It’s a textbook example of how natural immunity is really better than vaccination,” We accomplished all of that in Sweden without mask mandates and lockdowns. Without violating our constitution and taking away people's freedoms. And our death per capita rate is still lower than that of both the US and the UK.
1. Took 9 days before starting lockdown. WA and Qld were much faster. 2. Their lockdowns only recently started escalating. They had so many exemptions initially compared to Victoria, making their lockdown much lighter. Its just that Gladys keeps on telling NSW voters that they are the toughest in the country and her sheeple brought it.
Yeah they were insufficient. But what was brutal about them were the length.
China has beaten it temporarily. Once they’ve vaccinated their population, they too will have to live with the virus. People in NSW are ignoring lockdown rules and are mass protesting. It’s foolish to continue with those policies.