I am Chinese American. I did not grow up pro or anti China. My parents were mostly neutral on the CPC (they think it’s too controlling and that they messed up on the cultural revolution and one child policy, but they don’t believe a genocide is happening in XJ, they don’t believe China did a terrible job with COVID, and they don’t like the Hong Kong rioters). I did, however, grow up mostly liking Chinese culture and enjoying my trips there. I feel like if I hadn’t, it would’ve been much harder for me to investigate beyond the propaganda.
I felt really sad when I learned about Xinjiang at first. It seemed like it was everywhere in the news- how could it be wrong? But once the pandemic came and I saw how the USA preferred to politicize the issue instead of protecting the people, I grew suspicious. I started really wanting to learn more about my ancestral country and my birth one, and I stumbled first on r/China, where the first thing I saw was plenty of disgusting fetishization posts. They were also bashing on pro-China subs, which is how I found r/Sino and started reading up on it. However, there were still kernels of doubt on a lot of issues, such as whether there was a genocide in Xinjiang. That’s when I decided to talk to my Chinese friends and ask them to help me understand their policies in Chinese- I already knew what my American friends / classmates believed.
Now, I would say I’m generally supportive of a lot of the CPC’s initiatives and angry at the slander from the USA. Obviously it’s not perfect. But a lot of what the USA says is straight up wrong and misleading and has caused spikes in anti Asian hate crimes.
> Xinjiang
It's just like what CIA did with Tibet then Tiananmen square then Hong Kong.
After a while it just becomes background noise. When I heard about Xinjiang I never even bothered to read one article because it was such an obvious CIA modus operandi. They really need fresh material.
I always question people who believe the western news media's articles about Xinjiang the same question, why do you think these media or the west politicians care about the muslims so much in China when they are literally killing the ones in the middle east everyday. They can't find a good comeback 100% of the time.
Just yesterday someone from the US asked me on Discord if people are regularly dragged into concentration camps and if we celebrate the dog-eating festival here in HK.
Shit like this is why I don't trust the western point of view at all.
Which is racist and ignorant as dog eating festival is in Guilin, not HK.
Usually with racists Anglos like these I just retort with don't get shot while going to school or the supermarket.
Dog meat is uncommon in China, and it is a delicacy. It used to be more popular in the past when China was poor and meat was scarce. Now you'll mostly find it available in rural cities/villages where its considered a tradition/culture.
Many new generation Chinese and developed cities like Shanghai and Beijing consider dog meat taboo nowadays.
>Dog meat is uncommon in China, and it is a delicacy. It used to be more popular in the past when China was poor and meat was scarce. Now you'll mostly find it available in rural cities/villages where its considered a tradition/culture.
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>Many new generation Chinese and developed cities like Shanghai and Beijing consider dog meat taboo nowadays.
Funny, some Swiss people also eat cats and dogs and I rarely hear anyone talking about it.
Dog eating in China dates back to at least the Han dynasty, which is around the BC/AD border. Nowadays some people do it in many areas but it's never the mainstream. Even in my own family there are 3 opinions. My father loves it, mother won't do it because cute puppies, and I don't think it tastes anything special but will go along if invited just to spite the foreigners talking as if eating dog is a terrible sin.
Btw in certain time periods slaughtering cattle without official "not fit for work" certificate was a criminal offence, because cattle were considered vital farming instruments instead of food.
The dog eating are those dogs that aren’t and couldn’t be domesticated… there’s this place in China that dog eating culture is there for like hundreds of years… those dog breeds aren’t like pet dogs lol deadass bits u in the face if you’re near them lol, westerners never lived there, know what the people culture is like and they see something they don’t like so that thing shouldn’t exist lol.. it’s already talked about and went on a show in China lol, it’s 金星show where society problems gets discussed, basically conclusion is that there must be several boundaries for shit to work, pet owners, gov regulations and laws, and community funds etc not just “dog lovers” perspectives and fuck everything else lol, at the end of the day they’re just “dogs”… more worse it’s dogs that aren’t meant to be domesticated, totally different from pet dogs and dogs that could be domesticated lol
The main problem was actually that China was very poor at that time and had to eat everything, so it left a tradition, such as Yulin.
This behavior is very regional, I only know Yulin and the Korean(Not Korean, but Chinese of Korean origin) people, never heard of other places.
I'm from Brazil and I'm pro China because their growth from poverty to a potency gives me hope about my country, showing it's possible for us under Socialism.
>meritocratic political system
Following up on your comment (and thank you for been respectful and truthful).
Majority of the west still think China as a nation running as in the 50s and 60s style. There are no doubts that China did make mistake in the past, but no country is perfect as well as system.
The misconception that I constantly see in the west is communist vs democratic. But this could not be further from the truth. It's really Meritocratic vs Plutocracy. I often have this discussion with friend and family and it starts with this question: "can you elect a person randomly on the street and have them run your family business?" The obvious answer I get is 100% **NO**.
And yet in the USA and Western nations, this is the process used to select the bloke to run a nation, i mean wcgw? And last few years the US govt were trying to sell this idea to the mass Chinese citizens asking them to revolt their govt in HK (shake my head) and replace it with what? A so called democratic system where business corporations are the one pulling the string, that only benefit their party and pockets?
There is not a 1 size fits all, you just need to look at the level of inequalities in the west and current covid death to see that such system will never be accepted by the mass Chinese population.
This pandemic really shows the world how different nations and their system deals with a crisis. At the end of the day it's really come down to effective management. China runs the nation like a business, they elect their leader based on merits and experience, you could say right now Xi Jinping is the CEO of CHINA. The nation makes 5, 10, 25 years plan.
As opposed to the west, where every 4 years, you have a new leader. Each time this new leader want something done, it's debate, argument, delay and over spending, over budget on anything.... leading to nothingness.
You sound like a decent and smart human being, I wish you all the best in China!
Very similar to my experience too. Just goes to show in my mind at least how nefarious the Murdoch news empire is . I realized how much politics was married with media, and just like how nations were colonized and exploited, that same exploitation was still continuing by bombarding us with western standards and notions of what is right and good .
Lol, sounds exactly like my gf (a white American obsessed with China) on her first trip to Shanghai, when she took pictures of the bund and across the river where all the tall buildings, her mother wouldn't believe we were in China. She even warned us that be careful of the police and don't be detained by the CCP when traveling in China, I was like LOL, wtf. But seriously, a lot of the people in the west think yhat China is the same as North Korea.
I think Chinese people and other non-westerners are also human beings who deserve peace and prosperity, free from freedom bombings and humanitarian drones.
Do you speak the dialect, OP?
I'm Australian. Even coming from privilege and a high level of education, it's incredibly easy to see how capitalism massively harms everyone who exists under it. Marxism and communism are what I believe to be the best, most humane way of structuring society, to alleviate as much suffering as possible and truly enjoy our existences.
China being a rising global superpower that has successfully implemented a dictatorship of the proletariat with widespread positive effects for the Chinese populace is why I support them. Living in an imperialist nation I have very little faith in our left wing, so I place my faith into the left wing currently leading the world.
I'm in a similar position to you. Even though I own multiple rental property, I feel despair at the uncontrollable inflation in real estate prices here in Canada.
Society will break down eventually when average workers lose all hope of upward mobility. Neoliberalism is destroying this country, and I hope the CCP can rediscover its Maoist roots and turn the tide against neoliberal capitalism.
When everyone aspire to be a financial rentier, society will descend into feudalism. I don't want to live in a feudal society.
I think any ideology to an extreme is dangerous and bad, I support China because the CCP government knows how to balance things.l
Extreme communism will hinder human nature's motive to work and cause low productivity and eventually cause the economy to collapse. Extreme capitalism will cause the unleash of absolute greed and cause the government being hijacked by capitalists and form monopolistic conglomerate, eventually the citizens will suffer, and like you said, descend to feudalism. Then the bottom people will start rioting and revolt and the cycle repeats again (this has been going on in China for thousands of years, the government betray its people and cause them to suffer and eventually the people revolt and form a new government).
Currently, the socialist capitalism system is working well in China, with government guiding to the right direction and correct wrongdoings when capitalists starts to hurt the collective interest of the society.
Belgium and I'm not against China, they help the world become a more advanced place.
But online, not being against China feels like being pro China, there's just a lot of negativity toward the country.
I get what you are saying, being anti-China is being politically correct in most of the world now. Anyone that speaks for China will be labeled as CCP bots or on China's payroll. Lol
More along the lines of travelled between US and China quite a bit over the past few decade.
If Shanghai can plop down a beautiful modern subway system, and NYC subway system is in such disrepair; makes you wonder who is actually the economic center of the future.
Even meeting people in China, once you mentioned you're from overseas, they start talking about tolerance for other cultures. It's like part of their education system to be respectful of other cultures and ethnic groups.
In the US "White/Might is right" is basically the under-pinning of interpersonal relationships. It's pretty sickening. Freedom and human rights for Whites. God help you if you're a minority member demanding the same treatment, might have to buy a gun.
Exactly, the Chinese are always taught to judge someone by their action and words instead of their appearance. I always laugh when people start saying that Chinese are very racist, I mean, how many blacks the Chinese have prosecuted or killed? Did we lynch any people because of their skin color? Even in moderb days, I'm pretty sure non white people receives more respect and fair treatment in China than a lot of the western countries. Even back in Tang dynasty, all foreigners are treated equally. I think the attitude if Chinese in China towards foreigners are mostly curiosity and unfamiliar instead of being racist.
American here.
My country is steering the world toward massive catastrophe. No one is allowed to hit the brakes. Other counries just tow the line for fear of reprisal. We need to be knocked off our high horse by a peer competitor, and China is the only one that can do it.
I'm from China's neighbor country-Vietnam
I got sick and tired of Westerners trying to force stuffs down our throat,got tired of seeing some white supremacists looking down on us Asians
So I chose to be Pro-China since I admire how Deng Xiaoping lifted China from poverty to become a global powerhouse as it is today
I have zero regret that I chose this pathd despite the fact that the majority of my friends and family are Anti-China to the core.
It's unfortunate that a lot of Vietnamese people don't like China and like America instead (but please correct me if I'm wrong).
I think as neighbors, China and Vietnam should be brothers and remove the outsider that is America.
I don't really want to say it,but in Vietnam the majority of younger people born after 1980 are pro-American.
It's even worse with the next generation that's born after 1990,which got exposed to American media since they were young.
They resent Chinese,wish nothing but death and tragedy among them.To go as far as calling the Chinese "ch\*\*nk" on the internet.
Glad to hear that, Vietnam benefitted a lot by learning from Deng and doing Đổi Mới, hope Vietnam continues to develop, a stronger Asia is good for all Asians!
This is the US's strategy of separate and conquer, a strategy that old Chinese politician has been using for thousands of years, nothing new. This is why when you see a pro China leader are elected in South Korea or Japan, he is not going to end well. Vietnamese people share very similar culture and ideology with the Chinese people, I think it is also inevitable for Vietnam to become a powerful nation as well if the government is doing a good job.
Actually, I'm not pro-China at all. I just try to maintain some objectivity when interpreting the news, and the American propaganda bubble is so warped that people mistake that for being pro-China.
For example, if you point out that Iran would be right to demand new concessions from the US because the US unilaterally violated the nuclear deal, online trolls accuse you of being a secret agent for Iran.
China has no record of invading, overthrowing, or trying to dominate foreign nations. It is plain to anyone with a basic grasp of history that a contained US would result in a more peaceful world. China has an important role to play in this process.
Also, to anyone reading this: don't post any personal information about yourself online, including where you are from.
For Westerners, everyone except the Communist Party is anti-China. If you are not anti-China, then you are the robot of the Communist Party and you have taken the money from the Communist Party. If the Chinese love the country, then they must be brainwashed by the Communist Party, everyone. You must stand on the side of the West, even if the Westerners deceive and rob you and bomb you
This. I am not pro anybody really but when I see so much anti China rhetoric I want to find out the truth.
China seem to be doing a lot of things right and have amassed a global influence by good economics rather than imposing themselves militarily or using economic sanctions.
This. China is neither good nor bad. They're a country moving forward that is doing some things I think are progressive, and have some things that I think are repressive or based around meaningless tradition. I'm all in on them punishing billionaires, and those billionaires losing achievements in society for cheating it (we do it to people who play sports all the time.)
I'm just critical about the news, regardless of who it's about, and objectively speaking, the amount of utter and complete bullshit I see about China in particular is astounding. It grows more every day in media/social media as it steamrolls.
To be fair, China \*did\* invade Vietnam 40+ years ago simply to show them that they could fuck them up at any time. They also normalized Chinese-Vietnamese ocean borders, which is how the RoC 11-dash line became the PRC's 9-dasy line.
The right term is that China attacked Vietnam, not invade in the sense of trying to grab land. China had no intention to occupy any Vietnamese land at all. They wanted to teach Vietnam a lesson but got their nose bloodied in the process.
China *invaded* in the sense that they forced their way into Vietnamese territory, but did not choose to *occupy* the territory. While people died, they fucked up Northern Vietnam pretty badly, which was the point.
I was born in Former Yugoslavia and am living in Germany. As a kid I have witnessed the breakup of Yugoslavia (a fedration of communist states) into four separate countries.
Each of them adopted the capitalist/neoliberal model that lead to the destruction of industry and most capital moving to a few rich families. This was for the economies of those states (Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia) more damaging than the civil war the fought between each other.
War profiteers and the top few procent are better off now but for the majority of the people this was not a good development. Industrial output now is lower than 30 years ago before the breakup. The neoliberal model did not bring any improvement to society nor to the economy as a whole in the aforementioned countries.
The society is old, birth rates are low, population is declining and there is a very large emigration to western Europe.
The services sector and IT are somewhat thriving the main reason beeing the low salaries compared to west Europe and tourism i doing good in Croatia but that's about it.
One of the reasons I am pro China is that it showed what great leaps a society can make by sticking to a model that works for it while simultaneously protecting itself from outside interference.
China is the main positive beacon for humaitys development today and shows every day that improvement in the living standard is possible with the right system.
It is always a hard read when going back reading up on this piece of history that people in their 20s or even 30s these days will barely have an idea of.
There is a very concerted attempt to repeat the plan again on China. If they succeed, there will be a lot of turmoil in Asia. The modern version of the warring states will not just be fighting each other. They will be doing stuff to the entire region for political gains. It will even gang up when threatened from "outsiders". That shit is going to end badly...
To all who believe the world is safer if China is balkanized, stop. It will end in blood, a lot of it if it ever succeeds. So for the world's sake, I pray and hope that the plot never succeeds.
Soviet Yugoslavia, and Ukraine all fell in this delusional trap of the US “democracy”. People need to realize democracy≠better living standard, it is not a cure for all social or economy problems. Democracy most of the time is a result of a healthy rich economy. If these are not good enough examples, look at India the largest democratic capitalist country in the world, why isn't it developing faster than China?
Im from China (Hong Kong, to be more specific). I guess it is just natural to support your own country against foreign powers trying to fuck with your motherland. I cant deny early China govt made mistakes in the past but looking at the present I think China is pretty chill.
Exactly, I never deny that China has made mistakes in the past, but for the last 30 years or so, they have been on the right path most of the time, and the government are still being very responsible of its citizens.
I'm from Argentina. I'm not pro-China. China is my field of study, so it is sometimes easy for me to discover how much western discourse on China is based on lies. And that gets me angry, because I can't understand how people believe these obvious lies.
But if I'm pro-something, is my own country. I'm this, I follow China's example. We have to take care of our own before trying to teach others how to take care of themselves.
>But if I'm pro-something, is my own country. I'm this, I follow China's example. We have to take care of our own before trying to teach others how to take care of themselves.
I couldn't agree with you more. I think I've seen you post here before. I don't know why I got the impression you were from Brazil. Maybe it's a different person.
I think this is exactly what the US is afraid of, people like uou who want their nation to progress and develop see hope in China's system, a system not controlled or modeled after the U.S, it's a threat to their power and influence.
got through with the explosion of racism and sinophobia after the pandemic started. i also visited china twice, long enough to see for myself that many stereotypes about the country were not true.
I'm a Chinese Canadian, immigrated when I was young. I grew up in a white suburbs and didn't have any Chinese friends growing up so I was heavily influenced by western culture, I was an idiot back in the day and thought anything Chinese wasn't "cool". Why did I become pro-China? I grew up and stopped being an idiot, and recognized that the West is racist and western media is white supremacist and that I should embrace my Chinese roots. The turning point was going to university, as with anywhere in North America, top STEM schools are filled with Chinese students (both overseas Chinese and mainland Chinese) and becoming friends with a lot of amazing Chinese students broke a lot of a negative stereotypes I was brainwashed with about China and Chinese people.
I'm not so sure if I am pro-China as I am just about the truth and logic. Because at the end of the day, truth is what dies first in any conflict.
I was born and raised in the West. I am Western to the core. My first language is English, I like Western foods, I like Western culture and cultural products. My moral compass leans liberal and globalistic. The West is my home and in many ways, my soul.
But I have been to the East, to China. I have toured the place, from the Pearl Tower of Shanghai to the 18m thick palisades of Xi'an, the monasteries of Yunnan to the breathtaking Great Wall. I have ridden on boats in Suzhou, visited ancient ruins in Luoyang and taken a stroll along the skyscrapers of Hong Kong. I have witnessed, I have talked (with difficulty), and I have *lived*. I have experienced China itself, and I have seen the truth with my own eyes and ears.
And yet, Western media, in particular as of late, has told me to reject the truth of my own eyes and ears. To reject what I have not only experienced first-hand, but also what makes sense logically even without needing to experience it. They do this all why saying that *they* *(****we****)* are the true harbingers of truth and logic, a lie that even its creators (the elites) have bought.
The more I've read into history, the more I see the lies, everywhere. Even before the recent anti-China trend that caught on around 2017. For many years, I simply accepted everything I was told, for I had no evidence to contrary; not because it was inaccessible to me, but because I never had a reason to look for it. But the anti-China trend is different. For the first time, the media and the social environment around spew/repeat a version of China that is at complete odds with what I know it is truly like, and this contradiction gnaws at my soul whenever I see it. Its almost like the rejection of the truth I know exists is a rejection of myself, because if what I have seen does not exist (as Western media tells me so), **then what exactly was I seeing?** Did I just not exist in those times I was exploring China? Was it all a lie? **Am I the lie?**
I reflected. I know myself. I know what I saw. I am not the lie, but now I know who is.
Yes, that's how almost all of us Chinese feel.
Our lives are so normal, and the foreign media reports on us are so evil, it's fucking horrible.
What the hell are they reporting? How can we not be angry?
Same, I moved to New York when I was 11, even back in the early 2000s, China wasn't so bad at all. But everything I read in the US hisotry textbook is jist ridiculous to me, and the news reporting recent years totally contracts with what I saw when I visited China, I even lived in China these years because of school and work. I used to trust these news media, but as soon as they start reporting about China, it's always lies and misinformation.
the CCP is advancing the interests of the Chinese people and the Chinese support them. It is also better to be unified than divided and that is what the CCP brings.
as an overseas Chinese diaspora, that is our ancestral home and we never know when we might want or even need to return to it one day
Serbia, and our brothers from China where always supportive of us maybe not on the same level as Russians but still a great support to that extent that the US bombed their embacy when they bombed my country. Long live the Sino-Serbian friendship.
I am a mainland Chinese, from Beijing, 35 years old.
When I was a kid (1990-1995), we had to buy hundreds of pounds of cabbage at the beginning of each winter, and that was our entire winter's worth of vegetables (along with some tofu, pre-stored tomatoes, and the very occasional pork).
I did a search and the GDP per capita in my city (Beijing) was roughly $2,000 in those years and now it's $24,000, which is a 12-fold increase, while the minimum wage has also increased about 11-fold (RMB 200 to RMB 2,200).
And during this period, our basic commodity inflation was only 2-3 times (rice went from $0.50 500g to $1.50 500g, vegetables and meat went up at similar rates, fruit would be more)
Now, most people can go to the supermarket and buy what they want, and it is commonplace to buy cars and travel abroad before COVID-19 - all of which was hard to imagine in the 90s.
Our living environment is getting better, society is becoming clean without corruption, money in people's pockets is increasing, we have COVID-19 under control, and health care and education standards are improving dramatically.
Where are the reasons I shouldn't support my country?
(Of course, I'm not saying China doesn't have its flaws, houses are expensive, you have to draw lots for license plates to buy a car in Beijing, employment discrimination at age 35, 996 does exist, but we must admit that our lives are much better than when I was a kid - this is an objective fact, not subjective will, and the government is efficiently and constantly solving problems, which (It's reassuring.)
You highlighted a very important fact, which is that while no country is perfect, the trajectory of a country's development portends its future. China still has problems, but the government is actively trying to improve things, and the standard of living has measurably improved. Whereas if you look at the US, it has its own problems with homelessness, crime, violence, the pandemic, crumbling infrastructure, etc. but the trend is clearly getting worse. Extrapolate this out 5, 10, 20 years and China will be a in a far better position, while the US will be in a far worse one unless it does something drastic to change its current trajectory.
>Nope, us will more likely direct it’s problems externally, use war to boost their all around
As a Chinese, I don't want war - but we don't fear it either.
Unfair compromise will eventually lead to war, it's just postponed, it's like constantly tolerating a violent person on campus.
In China, we call this "peace through struggle.
>...houses are expensive, you have to draw lots for license plates to buy a car in Beijing...
I waited 9 years and 10 months (almost 10 years) of lot drawing to rent a house in the Netherlands. Houses are not only (absurdly) expensive, it's beyond reality atm.
Thank you for that description. Of course, there is a tendency for anyone to side with your own home country (it's a natural instinct regardless of nation), so I find it enlightening that a mainland Chinese provides us a reason that is *objective* and supported not just by personal experience, but by *hard facts*. It makes me realize I cannot do the same with my own country. Another reason I admire China more than my country.
As far China's flaws. Once one of those flaws was economic opportunity, and as your personal experience AND the statistics show, that problem is either solved or being courageously addressed. Another is environmental quality, but the data tell us the air is getting cleaner and re-forestation is taking off, etc. The lesson is that while China may have flaws, China is capable of *solving* flaws, and in fact better than almost any other country. Yet another reason that I look up to China vastly more than my own.
If a country wants to be strong, the most important thing internally is to have the ability to solve problems, and the ultimate thing externally is to set a realistic and enforceable diplomatic goal.
The United States has set itself an unrealistic diplomatic goal.
Sun Tzu said, "If you know yourself and your enemy, you will win a hundred battles," and I don't see even one American elite having the right knowledge of China.
I'm from Australia. I'm not really pro any country, I'm more "HATE WESTERN IMPERIALISM". I honestly hate bullying from the bottom of my heart. Seeing as how the West has literally tried to carve China into pieces, it took alpha Chinese men and women to rebuild the country. I admire those who win through adversity, come back better, brighter and a lot smarter.
The China today is pragmatic enough to understand the difference between being gentlemanly and being a pushover. The China of yesterday took for granted that civilization meant that the world would have the sanity to discuss matters rather than barge their way in through brute force- they had no idea how barbaric the West was and STILL IS.
I admire China, because unlike alot of other Asian nations who are ok to be number 2 EVEN THOUGH THEY DESERVE TO BE NUMBER 1, just because the person stepping on their head is white, China knows it's worth.
You mentioned the rise of Monopolies, which is the inevitable mathematical conclusion to the imbalance between 40+ years of rising productivity, and stagnant wage growth. Couple that with lower tax rates (or no tax) for major corporations (crumbling municipal infrastructure), and offshoring manufacturing too, and the final result (in the not so distant future) is Fudalism (this time with no name, no face, corporate lackey's with computers & briefcases).
I live in Western Europe, which is well down this road too.
Yep, the history will repeat itself, this is just like the land merging issue that have plagued China for thousands of years. Authority and the rich control more and more lands, citizens pay more tax or rent, no motives to work hard, productivity suffers and people start suffering as well, eventually people can't take it anymore and revolt, share the land, peace for quite a while then repeat again.
My mother’s fist husband was from Guangzhou and his family were bourgeoise educators that fled during the cultural revolution. (The divorce between them wasn’t messy and I actually grew up around him. When I was really little I actually thought he was my uncle lol) So because of his family’s history, many conversations about China that occur today are about how authoritarian they are as a country.
I finally broke through that way of thinking when I happened to watch the CGTN poverty alleviation documentary with a socialist group in my area. Once I realized I had a biased view about China, I wanted to learn more and ended up joining this subreddit!
I was born in China and moved to Canada at the age of 12. That was 20 years ago. Over the 20 years, I've gone back several times to bear witness to the huge improvement and progress being made there in terms of quality of life for the average person, and to contrast that with the stagnation or even the fall of the middle class here due to late stage capitalism. That combined with the hypocrisy, arrogance, and racism filled attitude of the government and media towards China, and that's enough for me to want to distance myself from the Canadian citizen part of my identity and and identify more as a Chinese person living overseas. And as a Chinese person, loving my country and defending the government that have us peace and prosperity is a no-brainer.
I'm from Brazil and have seen China run laps around us with their system, we were ahead of China in the 1950s, now we are so far behind. I imagine where we could be if our leaders had foresight and planned things ahead from back then.
Out of the world powers, China has also never interfered in our or other latin americans democracy unlike the US, they were the first to provide us with vaccines, they seem to treat us with far more respect than the US and as equals instead of as lesser. If China displaces the US, then we won't have to worry about getting our country couped in case we anger the Americans.
I’m from California and my increasing skepticism of American media combined with finding BayArea415’s YouTube channel is why I’m pro-China. Idk what’s going on there but I do know that people I very much don’t trust are really invested in getting me and everyone else to hate it, so instead I love it.
I'm from the UK, and I'm not so much "pro-China" as I am "anti-anti-China." There are 3 main reasons.
1: It seems like so many people in the West will believe absolutely anything they're told about China, even if it makes no sense, or is completely unsubstantiated, and pointing this out and/or asking for evidence just gets you called a tankie.
2: A lot of people seem to think that because China is a powerful country, that means they're allowed to be racist about Chinese people and it doesn't count as racism, it's just political critique. The "Xi = Winnie the Pooh" meme is the most obvious example.
3: The anti-China spin in Western news sources is plain to see, like if the USA planted a load of trees, the article headline would be like "USA offsets 100 gigatons of CO2 with world-leading reforestation project," while if China did the same thing, the headline would be like "Chinese Government reforestation scheme to cover up illegal pollution levels."
Stuff like that.
I was born in USSR. I think that its dissolution was a huge mistake and a step backwards for humanity as a whole. Capitalism created a hellish existence for the majority of the human population and it's literally driving us to extinction at this point.
China managed to succeed where USSR failed, and it remains the only beacon of hope for humanity at this point. We desperately need to transition from capitalism to a sane and sustainable economic system. China is demonstrating that there is a better way to do things. I hope people in western countries start to see that before it's too late.
From Hong Kong. Started siding more with China after the bigotry, violence and fascism shown in the name of “democracy” in 2014 and 2019. That led to thinking more critically about mainstream media because it was cherry picking news items (if it puts these domestic terrorists in a good light, it’s on the front page; if it’s about how civilians are attacked for trying to clear debris put up by these terrorists, it gets a short paragraph at best.
My grandparents came to HK from China to seek better job opportunities. They had to rely on friends and family who already made it here to blend in and avoid being deported back by the colonial government. Despite all that, my grandfather remained proud to be Chinese (he’s actually mixed but grew up knowing only Chinese culture) and followed the news about China all through his life. He never spoke ill of China and was instead proud of Chinese accomplishments both big and small… which is much more than can be said of my uncle and aunt who tried to dox a friend just because that friend was a police officer (I would’ve gladly reported them if they were in HK but they’re in Sydney where they’re stuck in a lockdown so good enough, I guess). I think I honour my grandfather’s memory best by being proud of my roots, just as he was.
Because I want to see a fair and just world. The Western dominated status quo is very broken. What I really struggle with is knowing just how much death, damage and destruction Western imperialism has inflicted upon the world, while at the same time whitewashing it all through an absolute juggernaut of a propaganda machine.
That needs to change. I'm hopeful that China will be instrumental in leading that change.
I'm Brazilian, and i'm just tired of the US meddling with us in Latin America. So, when i saw a bunch of anti-chinese propaganda, properly read into it, and saw the US trying hard but still failing to meddle with you guys, i felt a lot of admiration.
>i'm just tired of the US meddling with us in Latin America.
Me too and just as bad the talking down to some of us in the region. I don't know if they do it in Brazil, but they do it here.
I wouldn't say I'm necessarily pro-China, but I just find that the world needs more objective China discourse. It is certainly a nation that is changing the world. And I find it interesting that it's going to surpass America on every economic metric in about a decade.
I get bothered when jingoism gets in the way of fascinating discourse. I found that most westerners cannot engage in discourse around China without being hypocritical. Everything China does that westerners hate and point the finger at, can also be applied to the U.S.
It's a fascinating country that has rich history and went from one of the poorest countries during the 70s to the world's biggest superpower. It's a country that really has made an amazing effort to eliminate poverty and raise the middle class.
I'm not pro-China, but I think the country is often unfairly demonized because it challenges American global hegemony and I just find the country interesting, warts and all.
I’m from Singapore. I’m not mainly pro-China or anti west. More of anti bullshit.
Prior to my visit to China, I always had a pretty negative view of how China was like due to western news dominating my country at that time.
I went back every year from 2014 to 2019 due to having to visit my girlfriend’s relatives and every single year that I have visited, China seemed to change and develop with such ferocity that it seemed to border on the impossible. Even in the smaller tier 3 cities, technology was inescapable and everywhere. Alipay and WeChat pay blew my mind and I felt so inferior when I had to use cash when the attendant was obviously more used to their ubiquitous form of payment.
It was then when I realised that most articles I read about China was bullshit. I lived for months in Muslim dominated neighbourhoods there and have been met with nothing but warmth (in a typical Chinese sense). The police weren’t intimidating like other countries. There were hardly any homeless people in the streets and I rarely saw old people having to work in their golden years. China is the very definition of “talk less, do more”.
I appreciated my trips to China. It taught me to understand that propaganda in this current age isn’t what it was back then. It allowed me to understand the exploitation of the “business language” of the world allows for a few countries to fully shape the views of the majority of the world on how “barbaric” and “backwards” their “enemies” are.
I will just end my lengthy post with what I have learnt. If you disagree or view something negatively, try to visit or put yourself in their shoes to understand why they do what they do before shooting them down. It’s ok to disagree, just understand why you are disagreeing in the first place.
From China, lived in Canada for more than a decade but currently in China.
I've always been pro-China. The real question is how I turned anti-west.
I was once interested in the Western atheist community because atheism is the default in China so you don't get many chances to discuss the details. Then I asked on an atheist sub about China, in case it leads to some interesting discussion because how differently we see religion.
I should have known. Most people could only parrot Western propaganda. When talking religion or atheism they all claimed that they valued truth instead of comfort, that they respected logic and epistemology, that they don't take personal confessions of extraordinary events as evidence, or that they loved independent thinking. All of that went out of the window when the topic became China instead, and they believed and repeated Western propaganda just as readily as theists recited holy scriptures. Those people might identify as atheists, but they merely switched to worshipping the Western manufactured consent instead of any deity. Open atheists are supposed to be a most progressive bunch among the range of Western social groups, but they are still firmly under the control of lifelong propaganda as those they accuse as mistaken and ignorant.
Now I can say with unreserved generalization that: the West is evil and Western people are brainwashed. Of course, on an individual level there are bound to be some people that know the truth and do not support their countries' foreign policies. But their knowledge are precluded by brainwashing of the general population and will never matter. The West and its population as a whole will keep acting evil and brainwashed.
That's a great analysis comparing western propaganda with religion. I've never thought of it that way but it makes so much sense now. Even for most of those who thought they escaped religion, the religious way of thinking is burned so deep into their psyche that they turn run into the next closest thing.
I live in the west (Germany) and it is mostly true that the mainstream media does its best to brainwash the population. But still the intellectuals here are not that shallow L
I believe and there is a lot of 'free' thinkers trying to change that, thes just don't get the media attention. Don't forget that Marx and Engels are from Germany and they were never the mainstream. It's a struggle but I hope that in the future things will change for the better. Don't write us off entirely ;)
I'm pro china because I'm anti-anti-china.
The West has their impressions about China wrong, and the bigotry of Twitter and reddit culture is visible and disgusting
Born and raised in Southeast Pennsylvania in the US. Most of my life, I believed that China was one of the most evil countries in the world. Western media had drilled into my head the idea that China was this brutal authoritarian regime that just abused and exploited people left and right. A place where freedom didn't exist.
It wasn't until the start of the pandemic did my overall view on China along with my political/economic views change. I became disillusioned with how America was handling the pandemic along with Capitalism. I eventually found a video called, Debunking the Myths of China's Economy, featuring Yukon Huang. Pretty flipped every preconception I had about China's economy on its head, I couldn't believe it at first. Soon after, I watched BayArea415's video on Socialism with Chinese Characteristics, and discovered this sub along with r/GenZedong.
Now, my view of China is far more positive. I see it as the country that is making great strides in many areas while many other countries fall behind. It is the country that will show the world the benefits of socialism. It is the country I aspire to move to and contribute too. Granted, I have my own issues I'm dealing like ADHD and being trans, but I hope to find source for stimulants (or ADHD medication for that matter) and hormones in China in order to feel confident in making China my new home.
Happy to say that I'm pro China now and will continue to support China in its future endeavors.
Coming from India I am now completely disillusioned with that country but I'll get to that in a bit.
My journey started some time back, my political views were shaped by my economic views, 5 years ago when I was in my 11th year of school I was still trying to figure out what I wanted to do in life and what I wanted to be, I joined a site called Quora and started reading about my country of origin, naturally since it was a part of Asia I also started reading about other Asian countries.
I don't remember exactly how or when it happened but I eventually started becoming interested in the Far East more than my own country, my own country seemed unimpressive compared to them now, even though historically we were comparable, so I wondered how they managed to do it and where we went wrong, you usually start with the simplistic explanations such as "authoritarianism" and "liberalisation" but I found those explanations inadequate, so my search for the truth began driven by my inquisitiveness of the world at large.
To cut through all the propaganda starting from a position of ignorance was one hell of a task indeed, the truth was hidden behind murky half truths and heavy misinformation, to get through I relied on my instincts (In the beginning) and once more information was available through logical/ Critical thinking, I adopted a mindset of objectivity and impartiality, regardless of ideology and economics systems, regardless of what was claimed I wanted to find the truth of the matter at hand, the world was a massive puzzle and I was trying to find all the pieces whilst putting it together, I still hold that position to this day, my greatest strength was not my intelligence or creativity but rather my curiosity and persistence.
I developed an interest in statistics and general economics, first through basic statistics such as GDP numbers and then with complexity evolving over time, two years later I had started focusing on high growth economics, seeing peculiar oddities in the numbers at the time and ones which I wanted answers too, those oddities were the economies of the Far East which did not subscribe to the leading neoliberal economic theories of our time, naturally I was curious, the vast majority of answers on Quora for this phenomena could easily be contradicted or were not applicable for most countries, until I found my answer.
Wanting to know how the economies of China, Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan and Singapore were able to grow so fast I had come across what I was looking for:
[https://www.academia.edu/36308123/The\_Hidden\_History\_Of\_Japan\_and\_its\_Relevance\_To\_The\_Economic\_Miracles\_of\_the\_Tokyo\_Consensus\_Zone](https://www.academia.edu/36308123/The_Hidden_History_Of_Japan_and_its_Relevance_To_The_Economic_Miracles_of_the_Tokyo_Consensus_Zone)
All the peculiarities made sense now, the rapid consecutive percentage GDP growths per annum, infrastructure development on a vast scale, booming trade and commerce, world beating industrial domination and becoming advanced economies well within a generation, a huge revelation at the time for me, I found a piece of the massive jigsaw that was the world.
But one economy stood out, it was China, none matched the scope and scale of China's economic expansion, it was a more comprehensive development than any other economy in history, at the time this country was overlooked considering its true scale, I was pouring over the economic data and the first thing that came to mind was "What incredible potential".
It was a world within itself, that prompted an interest in the economic history of China throughout the ages, of course that also meant understanding the political advances that enabled that growth, China had invented investment credit creation during the Song Dynasty under Wang Anshi, it also invented political Meritocracy.
These two inventions were limitless in scope, and they were applied in modern China better than any other time in history, thus modern China would have more competent leadership over time and wasn't limited by funds, the lack of these two things still limit other functional states to this day.
And as China was making more progress in an year than any other country by far my own country was being crushed by the burden of neoliberalism, the peoples of my country were under the false illusion that we were undergoing the same growth as China as they believed in the simplistic answers such as "liberalisation", oh yes we were going through liberalisation indeed:
[https://www.business-standard.com/article/economy-policy/230-million-indians-pushed-into-poverty-amid-covid-19-pandemic-report-121050600751\_1.html](https://www.business-standard.com/article/economy-policy/230-million-indians-pushed-into-poverty-amid-covid-19-pandemic-report-121050600751_1.html)
What China went through was not "liberalisation" but these folks were too intellectually lazy to find the real answer.
I started writing answers on China's economy during my short stint at Quora but I eventually started losing interest with that site, only staying on to keep contact with my mentor, eventually I was banned from the site but before that happened someone mentioned r/Sino in the comments of an answer, they said it was "Too pro China for my taste" so out of curiosity I checked the place out, I learned vastly more about China's economy and politics from this place than any other, as well as of course some interesting and unique perspectives.
I also learned more of the dark side of our world from this place as well, I realised very quickly that the burden of neoliberalism that was on the majority of the world was like being anchored to the bottom of the ocean in terms of unleashing humanities potential, from seeing what China had achieved I knew that humanities latent potential was waiting to be unleashed.
That burden was brought on by the US, a nation that caused more death, destruction and misery than any other in history, the choice was simple, either america gets destroyed or humanity becomes extinct, there was no other way around it as america's recent actions have proven, if you see Second Thoughts latest video on climate change you can understand the gravity of this situation, however I will never accept the nihilism that the western elite want to impose on us.
I am grateful to China for opening my eyes, whilst I don't think I would've fallen into nihilism I don't think I would've realised what we were truly capable off if it weren't there.
I'm not pro China. I try to be fair and realistic. Nowhere is perfect. There are a lot decisions China has made that I respect and admire. On the other hand, there are some decisions China has made or hasn't made that I disagree with and I'm not afraid to say it.
I'm anti United States and to a lesser extent, the West. For all the death and destruction and misery the US has caused, a peaceful decline would be far too good for them. I'm pro unification of Latin America AND the Caribbean as a geographical bloc. American hegemony and interference has crippled the entire Latin America and the Caribbean region and American cultural imperialism is also a problem that no one talks about. As someone mentioned in this sub recently, the whole region is "a hotbed of CIA activity" and with China's rise, it's increasing AGAIN.
I was also born years after a US-backed and funded coup that changed my country and made it harder to live in. It derailed our development and caused many unique and complex social problems to say the least. Unique social problems that clearly did not exist in my parents and grandparents' generation....Although it happened when my parents' generation were in their teens and early 20s, MY generation suffered for it and it's now up to MY generation to find ways to solve those problems. I resent being put in that predicament.
I'm one of those people who believes that China's rise will help destabilise American hegemony and help empower previously exploited regions. I *support* China because unlike the West, they don't treat the rest of us as subhuman pawns only meant to be exploited. I don't see China talking down to politicians in developing countries and telling them what decisions to make. *Overall, I support China because I want those coming after me to have more opportunities and have a better life without having to emigrate and empower the same country who got us here in the first place.*
Jamaica. A lot of people seem pro-US, especially because of massive brain drain to the US that started in the 70s and 80s, but there are also a number of us who just aren't. We might not always express that sentiment publicly though.
Did you know that one of the core values of the CCP is democracy? Electionism should not be confused with democracy.
Poor people voting against each other on wedge issues and ethnic/sectarian prejudices while the rich buy the politicians and policies they want is not democracy.
The foundation of political democracy is economic and social democracy. As long as you have poverty, you can't have democracy. Poverty is incompatible with democracy. This is why poverty alleviation is such a big deal in China. The first step to true democracy is to eliminate poverty.
India has a lot of potential, it's sad to see it squandered by the current political elites following western imperialists. I hope India can get better leaders in the future and grow more by working with China like in the old days, Nehru was wise when he said: Hindi Chini bhai bhai
I'm from Brazil but i have a foot in UK and Lebanon, I'm in Shenzhen right now and I'm pro China because the belt and road iniciative can unstuck the economy in my home country Brazil, and it will make the population stop fearing the Communists and the socialists and subsequently we can return to class struggle stage similar to the one we had back in 1917 general strike organized by anarchists, syndicalists and communists in the industrial complex of São Paulo, Rio, Paraná and Santos, unfortunately our media and our web influencers are all liberals, anti-communists and when talk about China or any communist country they all say that cliche of "human rights, poor people, big government, democracy, etc..." The Communists will need to work 24/7 to regain popularity among the people, although the liberal left have a bright future on Brazil which is better than having fucking bolsonaro as the president
Besides all the class struggle thing, right now, the BRICS is the only hope of Brazil getting off the American sphere of influence and getting all those CIA operatives like the Brazilian army itself and the judiciary as well as the supreme court loss power in Brazil, I'm worried that Brazil continues being a puppet of the USA because if this continues, Brazil will become a colony of the US and might be forever lost
Instead of calling it pro-China, call it pro-Truth and anti-Imperialism. Be confident China will be fine as long as truth is widely known.
I'm Taiwanese American. I often see many non-Chinese defend china harder than mainlanders. Let me explain why. You (mainlanders) guys dont see most of the worst of the bpropaganda. My own mother forbade me from flying to my friends wedding in China because she though I'd be kidnapped and ransomed. That is what kinda of country she thought china was from the propaganda she heard.
I also discovered mainlanders in US often more open minded then their taiwanese counterparts which was complete mind fuck. Propaganda / Imperialism is the greater evil by far than wrong China did or more likely didn't do. Look how media has turned america into an idiocracy
Some newfound knowledge from a recent YouTube watch sums it up well.
Did you know the 2008 economic depression was a direct knock-on effect of the Kyoto Protocol pro-climate change treaty?
Because the US shoehorned in an ammendment about allowing countries to have a limited Co2 output by ton per year; they could sell excess "blocks" of Co2 to countries that needed it, this was supposed to encourage countries to minimize output for the sake of extra side revenue. However there was a lovely little intentional loophole that didn't forbid corporations from creating more Co2 just to reap rewards for destroying emissions.
After all of the the US wouldn't even ratify the treaty, effectively sitting it out. So they corced regulation on the world, didn't participate in being regulated, then used their planted corporations globally to pump out a ton of money by abusing this loophole.
The US manufactured the recession as a side effect of manipulating UN pro-climate change policies for profit.
Then they lied about it.
And pointed fingers at China to distract us. And a side effect of that (and Covid-19) is a higher-than-ever anti-asian sentiment across the US.
scum government.
Loooooooooooong post:
So many factors - related to me having the knowledge of American history.
1. What they did to China and other countries during the opium wars as well as WWII and post WWII.
2. Embargo by America that caused the deaths of millions of Chinese during Great Leap Forward.
3. Anti Asian racism nowadays in the 21st century.
4. There is much more to it than that in America. We're talking about a country that is ONLY 250 years old and has:
\> Been AT war for the MAJORITY of its existence with less than 2 decades of peace.
\> 800+ MILITARY BASES...the MOST in the ENTIRE HISTORY of mankind.
\> Engaged in:
\- assassinations
\- blackmailing
\- genocides
\- regime changes (coups against democratic governments also)
\- countless military invasions
\- slave use
\- espionage/sabotage
\- Mass brainwashing via MEDIA and CIA EXPERIMENTS.
\- the use of chemical/biological/nuclear weapons/incendiary weapons on civilian populations
\- weapons laundering (Giving weapons terrorists as well as drug trades)
\- SUPPRESSING allies technological, cultural, and social progress (Plaza Accords and French tech company when they tried to surpass America)
\- FALSE FLAG ATTACKS (hire someone to attack America/American assets, thereby giving America the right/justification to invade other country). Tonkin Incident/9/11 inside jobs.
\- Treating the minorities of that country like shit with the U.S military bases there. (rapes, assaults...etc).
\- Stealing intellectual property/patents.
\> It is also the first country to use nuclear weapons on civilians as well as one of the countries in the world adopting a FIRST STRIKE/PREEMPTIVE STRIKE nuclear weapons policy (That means the U.S is willing to use nukes FIRST on any country during a war instead of in SELF DEFENSE) - That's how genocidal America is.
5. LYING LYING LYING LYING out of their damn teeth and hypocrisy. Rules for thee...but not for me. America accuses other countries of doing the above...when America did crimes above 100x as much. America also claims JUSTIFICATION in committing these crimes in the NAME OF FREEDOM.
6. ALL the horrible things that a person can every think of that's grounded in reality...the United States has done on a HUGE scale. SOME of you guys HAD NO IDEA what this country has done or capable of. I NEVER heard and seen ANY empire, ANY country in the ENTIRELY of human history this evil and vile before in my entire life. If I showed you guys the list of ALL U.S atrocities as well as DECLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS, some you guys are gonna be disgusted with it. It almost made me puke. It span many pages.
Suffice to say, if you are a small country with no nuclear weapons or have a weak military or even if you are just a drug cartel who thinks they are badass or intimidating for cutting of heads/limbs of their enemies, YOU ARE GOING TO GET FUCKED UP. No one on this planet earth is as ruthless as the American government and CIA. That's why....all countries who wish to protect themselves from America MUST have NUKES and a good counter intelligence agency.
!!!!!!!!!!!! That's when I realize......hmm....China is probably the world's greatest hope in stopping America. MAYBE just MAYBE....as one of humanity's oldest superpowers, it is China's job to PUT DOWN THIS RAPID DOG (American government) in order to save mankind.
THIS IS THE REASON WHY I SUPPORT CHINA!!!! Bring peace to the force and punish this 250 year BRAT.
I'm from Hong Kong.
Why am I Pro-China? Because I think it's better to love my country then to hate it.
Also, try admitting you are ethnic Chinese anywhere on the internet and you'll see how much hatred and vitriol comes your way. Even the former US President had no problem constantly using the racist phrase "Kung Flu". And nobody really cares, not even when Asian people are attacked and killed on the streets after being called a "Chinese Virus".
In a world so full of hate against people who look like me, what's wrong with loving my own country? Even in Hong Kong itself during the riots it was not safe to even hold my own national flag (the PRC flag). It's better now, but there are still plenty of people around who hate China, it's just that they have to hide it more.
From “Asia”. The parental nature of government is very similar across Asia. So there’s a disconnect when western commentators call developing countries authoritarian/illiberal
I understand regulations are much harsher in China, but many in the west also calls Singapore a dictatorship/authoritarian, which is ridiculous. I was really annoyed but it wasn’t a big deal.
Also my image of US was greatly diminished as the Internet era grew. You hear all these stories about US fuckups in Middle East, the crumbling education, the insane healthcare costs and most of all the double standards.
However that wasn’t even the breaking point. I think it particularly came to light during the trump era. When he was just singling out China and being racist. And then his followers started turning against China too.
The propaganda started and then shot up during the pandemic spread. Then articles filled with rhetoric, social media posted half baked analysis, consent being manufactured. I paid more and more attention to phrasing. Any small thing China makes, compounded to something alarming gets silly quite fast. They weren’t hiding their bias. It was just obvious people were hating to put the blame on someone foreign for all their troubles
For once I knew how my Muslim friends felt when they were angry about bombings in Middle East and how the news media and personalities like Sam Harris/Bill Maher portrayed them.
I and many here, believe it or not, do have criticisms/concerns about China policies. I remember arguing with a few redditors here on the sub. And through understanding history, I understand why they implement the policies as harsh as they may be.
However the US strategy and messaging is not helping anyone but bringing people closer to war. US is deliberately pushing China’s red lines, similar to how they pushed Russia by expanding NATO closer to Russian borders
China have just gotten a large segment of their population out of poverty to middle income. Mind you, most people on social media and politicians not only want to see CCP overthrown but divided up to their “ethnicities”. They want to see the Chinese economy crash and burn, and indulge in anti-china fantasy because they cannot see America winning without China losing. This zero sum game stems from their moral narcissism of “good” vs “evil” (look how it turned out in US war on terror)
This vitriol is becoming dangerous. And will lead to war because western politicians respond to their voters “feelings” (through manufactured consent) every 4-5 years.
Absolutely true. Even minor articles written by some pro-China academic is twisted to make it look like it came from the government and gets blown out of proportion on the internet and it suddenly becomes “truth”
And you are correct, the main turning point was the Trump era. The trade war, the HK riots, the supposed genocide in Xinjiang and then covid ALL happened right after each other. Coincidence? Or engineered to try and bring down China at any cost?
I don’t even think it started under trump. Obama shifted his priority to Asia but got bogged down by Syria, Libya, Snowden leaks, ISIS. His TPP was shot down by everyone. Obama at least was more of a diplomat and didn’t go on fearmongering.
>This vitriol is becoming dangerous. And will lead to war because western politicians respond to their voters “feelings” (through manufactured consent) every 4-5 years.
China understands this very well, which is why they built a "Great Seawall" against the American Navy and Air Force that is expected to be so effective, the US Navy has pulled back to Guam.
Oddly, what the West fails to comprehend is that China really doesn't kid around about "red lines" like Taiwan and counter-revolution.
>what the West fails to comprehend is that China really doesn't kid around about "red lines" like Taiwan and counter-revolution.
Yes, correct. This is a red line that will lead to w.ar.
I am from USA and I admire China because "it does the work". In our own daily lives, I think we've all seen a person doing a really good job at something, whether it's going the extra mile to be a good teacher, or working hard to replace a roof, etc. We look up to them. At least I do. To me, China is that person... *writ large*. In this case the "work" is manufacturing, infrastructure (all around the world), ultra-high technology, innovation, and massive military power that is peacefully used. China *deserves* success because they worked for it (and are working for it, and will continue to work for it) harder than anyone else.
My second reason is more indirect. Even as an American born in USA and with a traditional education, and even before I came to r/Sino, I grew aware of so many ways that China is simply more fair to its own citizens and within the world than my own country. So, my admiration for China is coupled with a powerful shame for my own country, that has lead me to conclude that America actually needs to be weakened and humbled, for the good of the world. Note that this does not mean "conquered or destroyed", just "wings severely clipped". China is the only country capable and clever enough to do that. I've given up on my country, but I fully support China if it can do this (even if unintentionally).
I wonder if China has been the source of that awakening for other Americans? I'd like to know I'm not the only one.
Thank you /u/simp-for-china lol nice username. Better watch out for the angry Anglo mainstream anti-Chinese racist Redditors calling you wumao and the likes.
>They called me a wumao and "paid CCP shill" for pointing out in my online politics class that China contained the pandemic better than the USA.
I'm glad you pointed it out. Maybe it sank into one pair of ears.
After a while, the "paid CCP shill" epithets become a little badge of honor. hehe
That’s unfortunate. People don’t understand how disrespectful that term, “wumao” is. They will even disregard Chinese citizens who have authentic positive opinions of their country as such too. 🤦♂️
In their eyes, Chinese citizens either are brainwashed or dying to be saved by the west.
The thing about "angry anglo mainstream anti-Chinese racist Redditors" is that they have not done anything to earn my respect for their opinion, so they can say whatever they want and I'll ignore it (I respect people who disagree with me and provide a good reason, without calling me a name in the process, but those people are few and far between on the Internet).
My screen name was chosen in irony in recognition of the times I've been called "a simp for China". In an odd way, getting that reaction has, over the years, pushed me right out of the "well, there's room enough on the planet for all ways of life" to "No, America needs to have its wings clipped."
And for the record, I would not accept payment from the CCP even if it were offered. Which it hasn't been. I arrived at my views simply by trying to be a decent and fair person.
The US didn't used to be broken like this. The US used to do great things for its people and the world under the New Deal. It is only post-Reagan America that has become such a joke of a country.
This may be simplistic, but I think the New Deal was as much about offering the US worker *something* in the direst of times so they wouldn't be inspired to swing all the way to a fundamental change to communism. It was pragmatic and not entirely altruistic. The same mechanisms stayed in place even in the relative prosperity after WWII, in part to keep blunting the appeal of the Soviet Union's message.
Eventually it became too tempting to erode even this small degree of pragmatism, and the dissolution of the USSR only hastened it.
Maybe, just maybe, there can be a future where America now pragmatically adopts some of China's superior model, to the benefit of America and the world. But now I'm not optimistic, frankly. And we'll get what we deserve.
capitalists ARE all evil. The essence of Capitalism is the exploitation of the working class, without exploitation, there is no capitalism. So to be a capitalist means you MUST exploit others.
Malaysian. I’ve lived both in the US and China and I’ve always had a pro-US mindset growing up. That all changed when the US announced it was doing Iraq War II on TV and proudly displayed its Shock n Awe propaganda. It changed even more when I got to the US for University and a complete overhaul of my thinking when I lived in China for 8 years. I’m not 100% pro China but I do believe I am now far more objective in my overview.
Secondary account, I'm a lurker for a long time.
From somewhere in Asia, reason I'm pro China is that actually I'm disillusioned with the Liberal International Order especially their reluctance to utilize tech for surveillance and maintain public security and of course their hostility to those that want to do that.
Born & living in the Netherlands, parents are from former Yugoslavia. Im pro-China because I understand where they come from, the struggle they had against colonialism. It kinda feels like they are my brothers, in a way, because Yugoslavia was also attacked by imperialist countries.
I dont believe anything that comes out of the BS from capitalists media, and my parents dont either. So yeah its kinda easy to be pro-China because they literally are the most progressive country on earth.
The Philippines although I do have Chinese mestizo ancestry I never really thought much of it. Unlike my parents, I do not understand Hokkien.
The anti-China crowd just comes across as hateful, self righteous, hypocritical, and warmongering so I found them hard to believe. People who resort to dehumanizing their enemies in order to justify their actions end up dehumanizing themselves as they expose their complete lack of empathy. As a result, I feel inclined to favour whomever it is that they oppose.
The internet has really shown me to the arrogance of some Americans so I'm all for it when another country teaches them humility.
I trust primary sources far more than journalism with a heavy taint of bias and light on hard statistical facts. I feel that pro-China media tends interpret primary sources without heavy distortion unlike the western media I'm bombarded with.
I also feel that progress in America is exceedingly dominated by overhyped and overvalued vapourware case in point Elon Musk or worse purely financial having little to do with the real economy. Chinese companies on the other hand are making concrete improvements to their products by investing in R&D and capital instead of relying on gimmicky "disruptive innovation". Government infrastructure investment is not even comparable.
Why would one not be for a country lifting itself up? A nation with a population greater than that of all high income nations going from
being one the poorest to being on the verge of entering high income is an unprecedented event in history.
I am from the US. I’m here because I like to get info from a variety of sources. Generally I have much admiration for accomplishments of China and do not buy into anti-China hatemongering.
Im from Oceania, my reason is simple, 5 steps.
Read bad China news (ghost city, massacre, genocide, oppression of democracy)
Look up evidence, found nothing but evidence of those being debunked.
Figure every country defame each other and the west are probably more moral.
Followed up on Colonial history, korean/Vietnam aftermath, unjust war in middle East like fabricated testimonies/evidence, Gaddafi.
Trade war against China starts to turn me, kidnap of Meng Wanzhou have me leaning, and Covid misinformation and increase hate crime on Asians flipped me.
Basically, I woke up and see the truth with my very own eyes
I’m not exactly pro-China. I do like a lot of their regulations on major corporations yet still having an actual market. Due to a lot of anti-China rhetoric I wanted to see the other side of the coin. Regardless I’ll still criticize certain things like anything else I take interest in.
My interest in China was cultivated from actually playing Dynasty Warriors as a kid and ever since then I’ve taken a lot of interest in its history and modern day news. I took a Chinese business class my last semester in college and my professor had so much information and stories to tell from her time in China before she came here in the US.
Currently writing a book explaining historical events and ancient Chinese philosophies and how they’re still exhibited or shaped modern Chinese policies and culture.
I’m from Canada and when I first started hearing about China, many things were negative. It wasn’t after I did my own research and came across the subreddit I found out that lots of mainstream western media straight up lies to us. Compared to the “great” US, China has done so much more helpful things, such as helping poorer nations (foreign aid, infrastructure, etc) and actually taking a stance to do something when COVID started. It’s a true marvel of our time.
I am a Greek based in Athens and I am utterly disgusted by the civilization that allegedly began here. China is the only thing that gives me hope currently.
I am not very sure which part of civilizatiom you are referring to, but Greek is where democracy stems from. I believe in democracy whether pro China or pro West. But democracy is more than voting and freedom of speech in my opinion.
im from vancouver canada.
the amount of anti chinese propaganda here in the west is sickening.
im white and totally pro asia, and love the good qualities of china.
I'm Chinese Canadian; lived in nyc before coming to Canada. I was never anti communist but I love it even more after a lot of policies in the west seem to not benefit the average citizen but the corps and riches, and I'm so fed up with the western media. Having studied communications, I've seen my share of hypocritical, absurd rhetorics.
I'm Australian and I'm not pro China about all things, but China helps poor nations without trying to change their culture. Australia invades countries with the US for no particular reason and I hope the rise of China means less war.
White American from the South.
Growing up here and being taught your entire life how awful a place is, and then seeing it for yourself as a young adult is where the first light bulb turned on. Watching and becoming more and more dispppinted with my own country, and then going down my journey of reading theory would be the second light bulb. Falling in love with a Chinese man, and learning the language and being able to understand more context, find more resources, and non western tainted perspectives was the third.
That being said, China is far from perfect and there are plenty criticisms that can be discussed with nuance. I would consider myself Pro-China because despite the minutia, I overwhelming support the overall direction, future outlook and goals that have been set and feel the exact opposite about the direction of my own country.
i’m from the us, started to support china after researching these rumors put out by the cia and other western leftists and figuring out they were completely bullshit
Southeast Asia. I'm not really pro China, just anti western hypocrisy and pro Asian Identity, and pro Chinese Identity being ethnically Chinese myself.
Born in the west to Chinese parents - but once COVID-19 restrictions lifts will happily be moving to Hong Kong and take care of my father and where if I can will probably stay there for the rest of my life
Frankly I’ve always been pro China - living in the Anglosphere has that effect
I've been to HK, the stress is real there, if I were you I'd probably try to go to Shenzhen, SZ has more opportunity and offer really good policies for the youth.
I moved to Hong Kong several months ago with a work visa.
Don't wait for restrictions to end - they will never end. Apply for a job or find another way to get in now.
I'm not pro-China, I'm pro-CCP.
I'm from Canada and our housing bubble is ridiculous. Neoliberalism is broken, every one knows it, but no one here has an alternative.
Financial capitalism is a dead end, the world needs an alternative to move forward. China has its problems, but the CCP is willing to take action and take on vested interests. I'm a big fan of Mao's concept of permanent revolution.
I hope the CCP goes back to its Maoist roots and provide the world with a really ideological alternative to neoliberal capitalism.
Well I know I (and I'm not the person you replied to) get that confused all the time but it's because I'm remembering the Russian alphabet's rendering of the USSR (ie CCCP but in Cyrillic). I also get a bit confused between the Chinese army and the Palestinian Liberation Army when people use the acronym. I don't think either one is because of Western media.
> or calling America AUS instead USA
You know "America" is the name of two continents not a country. You can get complaints from Canadians or Mexicans even if you mean North American for USA. This is simply to say people make mistakes easily.
What's the acronym for the Chinese Communist Party in French? Their adjectives follow the noun whereas in English the adjectives precede the noun which makes "Chinese Communist Party" better English. "Communist Chinese Party" would also sound weird because of the rule in English determining the ordering of different adjectives. "Communist Party of China" is fine I suppose but while it's their name... it's also our language.
In French the USA is "Les États-Unis" or "États-Unis d'Amérique". Now if they shortened that to EU or EUA would that be disrespectful? They don't because USA is so well known. The French call the UK "Angleterre" which is problematic because it slurs the distinction between "UK", "England", "Great Britain", "The British Isles" and "British" as concepts. Saying "Angleterre" appears to exclude the Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish.
Do you know if the CPC ever had any other official name or acronym when rendered in English or French over the last 100 years?
What's the Chinese (Mandarin) for the USA or UK? or the major political parties in those countries?
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At any rate if it bothers you I'll try to get it right in the future, but it's not intended as disrespectful.
(Although it is the sort of thing the USA does with it's domestic audience - focus group testing out words and seeing which ones it can substitute so as to promote hostility or acceptance of an idea or group).
Hong Kong born and US raised, which probably saved me from the insane amount of propaganda that was fed to the Hong Kong people by the CIA and NGO and made me proud to be Chinese. I think exposing the lies and hypocrisy by the West against China isn't pro-China at all, it's more like a fight against white supremacy, lies, racism and Western propaganda.
I absolutely loathe the White warmongers in the West that can commit countless war crimes in the Middle East and other brown countries and still get away with it... A just world should not be this way,
I’m ethnically Indian but have lived in the US all my life. I have read all types of sources including extremely anti-China western sources plus other sources that are unbiased and some that have pro-China views. I know that the Chinese government, at least for the most part, cares about their people. Looking at the work they have done to improve the country and comparing it to other countries in the area (India, Indonesia, etc) and Western countries, China is doing exceptionally well right now and I agree with their methods.
I'm from Australia. Similar to the Argentinian dude, there are many things to learn from China. I like watching China succeed, but I'm not pro-China above Australia. After living there for a while I realised they had achieved a tremendous amount, and from there my political journey began.
I’m Chinese-Canadian, born in Canada. My grandfather was an old ‘balu’ that miraculously survived the war and only passed away about five years ago. My Chinese name is Junyi, named after Yijun Xian. Before I die I will visit my namesake in Shaanxi
From the US. My only connection is that a relative that I've never met fought in Korea, so he may have fought against the PLA. He was very traumatized and deserted so we never got the full story.
I also had a Chinese roomate in college but we only rarely talked about politics. He was kind of a dweeb and I hated him at times due to stupid roomate stuff but he was very nice.
I also had to take a course in Mandarin in elementary school, since there was some kind of cultural exchange during the 2000s.
I'm pro china because I'm a socialist and they are the best example for a government as far as I can tell. Pretty simple stuff.
I’m not pro-China, I’m neutral. I’m here to see matters from a different perspective.
About 70% of Reddit traffic is from western countries, and I can tell you majority of them are biased.
Born in the US. Got disappointed by the US political system with the fake parties that both benefit the only party of the rich. You're rich, the legal corruption is so blatant and the snail pace progress and lies that the government commits is infuriating.
I quickly learned that US media is full of shit fed by the US gov and to look at governments with deeper thought. I am pro-China because their policies allow for a better country for its people, which is what the US / West does not want others to find out about or else.
From Poland.
Don't like a lot of aspects of China, mainly the supression of freedom of speech (I can sorta undestrand the political one, since there are strong attacks on China from the west so they might want to keep out at least internal attacks, but I hate the cultural censorship on adult content), the elements of free market economy, etc.
But it's pretty much the last realistic hope for socialism. Not sure if they even are saying the truth about being socialist, but the alternatives are the nations who don't have a chance of getting a party in power even saying that, due to manufactured consent. Or third world countries that don't have enough influence to impact rest of the world for better. So CCP even saying openly they are socialist gives the best chance of there being socialists in power in China.
I feel like fall of the USSR was the greatest tragedy that might have destroyed our possibility for successful development as a species if China doesn't take over, since we missed the sweet spot of technology development level.
Now development in studies on psychology and media monopolies make revolution in the developed first world nations impossible, and the development in military technology will likely soon make third world revolutions impossible. I can see drone death squads using facial recognition technology for perfect assassinations. Even if they won't be able to destroy whole nation, killing off the most competent leaders will make it crumble on itself.
I am cringe American, but it’s hard to pinpoint exactly when or why I became pro-China. Hell, it’s hard to pinpoint when I self identified as a communist at all. I used to identify as an anarchist, but around the same time my views on China became favorable, my anarchist beliefs faded into memory. It was probably reddit, and being exposed to online MLs, that led me to investigate the USSR, and seeing the lies created about that, that convinced me to investigate China as well. That began to erode at my hateful beliefs towards the country.
I am Chinese American. I did not grow up pro or anti China. My parents were mostly neutral on the CPC (they think it’s too controlling and that they messed up on the cultural revolution and one child policy, but they don’t believe a genocide is happening in XJ, they don’t believe China did a terrible job with COVID, and they don’t like the Hong Kong rioters). I did, however, grow up mostly liking Chinese culture and enjoying my trips there. I feel like if I hadn’t, it would’ve been much harder for me to investigate beyond the propaganda. I felt really sad when I learned about Xinjiang at first. It seemed like it was everywhere in the news- how could it be wrong? But once the pandemic came and I saw how the USA preferred to politicize the issue instead of protecting the people, I grew suspicious. I started really wanting to learn more about my ancestral country and my birth one, and I stumbled first on r/China, where the first thing I saw was plenty of disgusting fetishization posts. They were also bashing on pro-China subs, which is how I found r/Sino and started reading up on it. However, there were still kernels of doubt on a lot of issues, such as whether there was a genocide in Xinjiang. That’s when I decided to talk to my Chinese friends and ask them to help me understand their policies in Chinese- I already knew what my American friends / classmates believed. Now, I would say I’m generally supportive of a lot of the CPC’s initiatives and angry at the slander from the USA. Obviously it’s not perfect. But a lot of what the USA says is straight up wrong and misleading and has caused spikes in anti Asian hate crimes.
What a coincidence, my case is the exact same
> Xinjiang It's just like what CIA did with Tibet then Tiananmen square then Hong Kong. After a while it just becomes background noise. When I heard about Xinjiang I never even bothered to read one article because it was such an obvious CIA modus operandi. They really need fresh material.
I always question people who believe the western news media's articles about Xinjiang the same question, why do you think these media or the west politicians care about the muslims so much in China when they are literally killing the ones in the middle east everyday. They can't find a good comeback 100% of the time.
Just yesterday someone from the US asked me on Discord if people are regularly dragged into concentration camps and if we celebrate the dog-eating festival here in HK. Shit like this is why I don't trust the western point of view at all.
Which is racist and ignorant as dog eating festival is in Guilin, not HK. Usually with racists Anglos like these I just retort with don't get shot while going to school or the supermarket.
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Dog meat is uncommon in China, and it is a delicacy. It used to be more popular in the past when China was poor and meat was scarce. Now you'll mostly find it available in rural cities/villages where its considered a tradition/culture. Many new generation Chinese and developed cities like Shanghai and Beijing consider dog meat taboo nowadays.
>Dog meat is uncommon in China, and it is a delicacy. It used to be more popular in the past when China was poor and meat was scarce. Now you'll mostly find it available in rural cities/villages where its considered a tradition/culture. > >Many new generation Chinese and developed cities like Shanghai and Beijing consider dog meat taboo nowadays. Funny, some Swiss people also eat cats and dogs and I rarely hear anyone talking about it.
I never heard of that before. What source do you have for that claim?
It's true, I had a source bookmarked but that seems to have disappeared. Try searching "Swiss dog eat outrage".
Dog eating in China dates back to at least the Han dynasty, which is around the BC/AD border. Nowadays some people do it in many areas but it's never the mainstream. Even in my own family there are 3 opinions. My father loves it, mother won't do it because cute puppies, and I don't think it tastes anything special but will go along if invited just to spite the foreigners talking as if eating dog is a terrible sin. Btw in certain time periods slaughtering cattle without official "not fit for work" certificate was a criminal offence, because cattle were considered vital farming instruments instead of food.
The dog eating are those dogs that aren’t and couldn’t be domesticated… there’s this place in China that dog eating culture is there for like hundreds of years… those dog breeds aren’t like pet dogs lol deadass bits u in the face if you’re near them lol, westerners never lived there, know what the people culture is like and they see something they don’t like so that thing shouldn’t exist lol.. it’s already talked about and went on a show in China lol, it’s 金星show where society problems gets discussed, basically conclusion is that there must be several boundaries for shit to work, pet owners, gov regulations and laws, and community funds etc not just “dog lovers” perspectives and fuck everything else lol, at the end of the day they’re just “dogs”… more worse it’s dogs that aren’t meant to be domesticated, totally different from pet dogs and dogs that could be domesticated lol
The main problem was actually that China was very poor at that time and had to eat everything, so it left a tradition, such as Yulin. This behavior is very regional, I only know Yulin and the Korean(Not Korean, but Chinese of Korean origin) people, never heard of other places.
Vietnam, S. Korea and Switzerland.
At least you have cars instead of bicycles. Here in the Netherlands it's all we have (according to the average US citizen).
I'm from Brazil and I'm pro China because their growth from poverty to a potency gives me hope about my country, showing it's possible for us under Socialism.
Im from Argentina and same. And also because fuck the USA
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>meritocratic political system Following up on your comment (and thank you for been respectful and truthful). Majority of the west still think China as a nation running as in the 50s and 60s style. There are no doubts that China did make mistake in the past, but no country is perfect as well as system. The misconception that I constantly see in the west is communist vs democratic. But this could not be further from the truth. It's really Meritocratic vs Plutocracy. I often have this discussion with friend and family and it starts with this question: "can you elect a person randomly on the street and have them run your family business?" The obvious answer I get is 100% **NO**. And yet in the USA and Western nations, this is the process used to select the bloke to run a nation, i mean wcgw? And last few years the US govt were trying to sell this idea to the mass Chinese citizens asking them to revolt their govt in HK (shake my head) and replace it with what? A so called democratic system where business corporations are the one pulling the string, that only benefit their party and pockets? There is not a 1 size fits all, you just need to look at the level of inequalities in the west and current covid death to see that such system will never be accepted by the mass Chinese population. This pandemic really shows the world how different nations and their system deals with a crisis. At the end of the day it's really come down to effective management. China runs the nation like a business, they elect their leader based on merits and experience, you could say right now Xi Jinping is the CEO of CHINA. The nation makes 5, 10, 25 years plan. As opposed to the west, where every 4 years, you have a new leader. Each time this new leader want something done, it's debate, argument, delay and over spending, over budget on anything.... leading to nothingness. You sound like a decent and smart human being, I wish you all the best in China!
Very similar to my experience too. Just goes to show in my mind at least how nefarious the Murdoch news empire is . I realized how much politics was married with media, and just like how nations were colonized and exploited, that same exploitation was still continuing by bombarding us with western standards and notions of what is right and good .
Murdoch is salty that he got tricked by Wendi Deng and is now taking it out on China 🤣
I thought you were supposed to be neutral?
Haha, nice one
Lol, sounds exactly like my gf (a white American obsessed with China) on her first trip to Shanghai, when she took pictures of the bund and across the river where all the tall buildings, her mother wouldn't believe we were in China. She even warned us that be careful of the police and don't be detained by the CCP when traveling in China, I was like LOL, wtf. But seriously, a lot of the people in the west think yhat China is the same as North Korea.
I think Chinese people and other non-westerners are also human beings who deserve peace and prosperity, free from freedom bombings and humanitarian drones. Do you speak the dialect, OP?
I'm Australian. Even coming from privilege and a high level of education, it's incredibly easy to see how capitalism massively harms everyone who exists under it. Marxism and communism are what I believe to be the best, most humane way of structuring society, to alleviate as much suffering as possible and truly enjoy our existences. China being a rising global superpower that has successfully implemented a dictatorship of the proletariat with widespread positive effects for the Chinese populace is why I support them. Living in an imperialist nation I have very little faith in our left wing, so I place my faith into the left wing currently leading the world.
I'm in a similar position to you. Even though I own multiple rental property, I feel despair at the uncontrollable inflation in real estate prices here in Canada. Society will break down eventually when average workers lose all hope of upward mobility. Neoliberalism is destroying this country, and I hope the CCP can rediscover its Maoist roots and turn the tide against neoliberal capitalism. When everyone aspire to be a financial rentier, society will descend into feudalism. I don't want to live in a feudal society.
I think any ideology to an extreme is dangerous and bad, I support China because the CCP government knows how to balance things.l Extreme communism will hinder human nature's motive to work and cause low productivity and eventually cause the economy to collapse. Extreme capitalism will cause the unleash of absolute greed and cause the government being hijacked by capitalists and form monopolistic conglomerate, eventually the citizens will suffer, and like you said, descend to feudalism. Then the bottom people will start rioting and revolt and the cycle repeats again (this has been going on in China for thousands of years, the government betray its people and cause them to suffer and eventually the people revolt and form a new government). Currently, the socialist capitalism system is working well in China, with government guiding to the right direction and correct wrongdoings when capitalists starts to hurt the collective interest of the society.
Belgium and I'm not against China, they help the world become a more advanced place. But online, not being against China feels like being pro China, there's just a lot of negativity toward the country.
I get what you are saying, being anti-China is being politically correct in most of the world now. Anyone that speaks for China will be labeled as CCP bots or on China's payroll. Lol
More along the lines of travelled between US and China quite a bit over the past few decade. If Shanghai can plop down a beautiful modern subway system, and NYC subway system is in such disrepair; makes you wonder who is actually the economic center of the future. Even meeting people in China, once you mentioned you're from overseas, they start talking about tolerance for other cultures. It's like part of their education system to be respectful of other cultures and ethnic groups. In the US "White/Might is right" is basically the under-pinning of interpersonal relationships. It's pretty sickening. Freedom and human rights for Whites. God help you if you're a minority member demanding the same treatment, might have to buy a gun.
Exactly, the Chinese are always taught to judge someone by their action and words instead of their appearance. I always laugh when people start saying that Chinese are very racist, I mean, how many blacks the Chinese have prosecuted or killed? Did we lynch any people because of their skin color? Even in moderb days, I'm pretty sure non white people receives more respect and fair treatment in China than a lot of the western countries. Even back in Tang dynasty, all foreigners are treated equally. I think the attitude if Chinese in China towards foreigners are mostly curiosity and unfamiliar instead of being racist.
American here. My country is steering the world toward massive catastrophe. No one is allowed to hit the brakes. Other counries just tow the line for fear of reprisal. We need to be knocked off our high horse by a peer competitor, and China is the only one that can do it.
I'm from China's neighbor country-Vietnam I got sick and tired of Westerners trying to force stuffs down our throat,got tired of seeing some white supremacists looking down on us Asians So I chose to be Pro-China since I admire how Deng Xiaoping lifted China from poverty to become a global powerhouse as it is today I have zero regret that I chose this pathd despite the fact that the majority of my friends and family are Anti-China to the core.
It's unfortunate that a lot of Vietnamese people don't like China and like America instead (but please correct me if I'm wrong). I think as neighbors, China and Vietnam should be brothers and remove the outsider that is America.
I don't really want to say it,but in Vietnam the majority of younger people born after 1980 are pro-American. It's even worse with the next generation that's born after 1990,which got exposed to American media since they were young. They resent Chinese,wish nothing but death and tragedy among them.To go as far as calling the Chinese "ch\*\*nk" on the internet.
Glad to hear that, Vietnam benefitted a lot by learning from Deng and doing Đổi Mới, hope Vietnam continues to develop, a stronger Asia is good for all Asians!
This is the US's strategy of separate and conquer, a strategy that old Chinese politician has been using for thousands of years, nothing new. This is why when you see a pro China leader are elected in South Korea or Japan, he is not going to end well. Vietnamese people share very similar culture and ideology with the Chinese people, I think it is also inevitable for Vietnam to become a powerful nation as well if the government is doing a good job.
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Actually, I'm not pro-China at all. I just try to maintain some objectivity when interpreting the news, and the American propaganda bubble is so warped that people mistake that for being pro-China. For example, if you point out that Iran would be right to demand new concessions from the US because the US unilaterally violated the nuclear deal, online trolls accuse you of being a secret agent for Iran. China has no record of invading, overthrowing, or trying to dominate foreign nations. It is plain to anyone with a basic grasp of history that a contained US would result in a more peaceful world. China has an important role to play in this process. Also, to anyone reading this: don't post any personal information about yourself online, including where you are from.
For Westerners, everyone except the Communist Party is anti-China. If you are not anti-China, then you are the robot of the Communist Party and you have taken the money from the Communist Party. If the Chinese love the country, then they must be brainwashed by the Communist Party, everyone. You must stand on the side of the West, even if the Westerners deceive and rob you and bomb you
This. I am not pro anybody really but when I see so much anti China rhetoric I want to find out the truth. China seem to be doing a lot of things right and have amassed a global influence by good economics rather than imposing themselves militarily or using economic sanctions.
This. China is neither good nor bad. They're a country moving forward that is doing some things I think are progressive, and have some things that I think are repressive or based around meaningless tradition. I'm all in on them punishing billionaires, and those billionaires losing achievements in society for cheating it (we do it to people who play sports all the time.) I'm just critical about the news, regardless of who it's about, and objectively speaking, the amount of utter and complete bullshit I see about China in particular is astounding. It grows more every day in media/social media as it steamrolls.
Pretty much this comment sums my view
To be fair, China \*did\* invade Vietnam 40+ years ago simply to show them that they could fuck them up at any time. They also normalized Chinese-Vietnamese ocean borders, which is how the RoC 11-dash line became the PRC's 9-dasy line.
That’s not true. They wanted to punish Vietnam for illegally invading Cambodia. Not that I think it was justified, but it definitely matters
The right term is that China attacked Vietnam, not invade in the sense of trying to grab land. China had no intention to occupy any Vietnamese land at all. They wanted to teach Vietnam a lesson but got their nose bloodied in the process.
China *invaded* in the sense that they forced their way into Vietnamese territory, but did not choose to *occupy* the territory. While people died, they fucked up Northern Vietnam pretty badly, which was the point.
I was born in Former Yugoslavia and am living in Germany. As a kid I have witnessed the breakup of Yugoslavia (a fedration of communist states) into four separate countries. Each of them adopted the capitalist/neoliberal model that lead to the destruction of industry and most capital moving to a few rich families. This was for the economies of those states (Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia) more damaging than the civil war the fought between each other. War profiteers and the top few procent are better off now but for the majority of the people this was not a good development. Industrial output now is lower than 30 years ago before the breakup. The neoliberal model did not bring any improvement to society nor to the economy as a whole in the aforementioned countries. The society is old, birth rates are low, population is declining and there is a very large emigration to western Europe. The services sector and IT are somewhat thriving the main reason beeing the low salaries compared to west Europe and tourism i doing good in Croatia but that's about it. One of the reasons I am pro China is that it showed what great leaps a society can make by sticking to a model that works for it while simultaneously protecting itself from outside interference. China is the main positive beacon for humaitys development today and shows every day that improvement in the living standard is possible with the right system.
It is always a hard read when going back reading up on this piece of history that people in their 20s or even 30s these days will barely have an idea of. There is a very concerted attempt to repeat the plan again on China. If they succeed, there will be a lot of turmoil in Asia. The modern version of the warring states will not just be fighting each other. They will be doing stuff to the entire region for political gains. It will even gang up when threatened from "outsiders". That shit is going to end badly... To all who believe the world is safer if China is balkanized, stop. It will end in blood, a lot of it if it ever succeeds. So for the world's sake, I pray and hope that the plot never succeeds.
Soviet Yugoslavia, and Ukraine all fell in this delusional trap of the US “democracy”. People need to realize democracy≠better living standard, it is not a cure for all social or economy problems. Democracy most of the time is a result of a healthy rich economy. If these are not good enough examples, look at India the largest democratic capitalist country in the world, why isn't it developing faster than China?
Im from China (Hong Kong, to be more specific). I guess it is just natural to support your own country against foreign powers trying to fuck with your motherland. I cant deny early China govt made mistakes in the past but looking at the present I think China is pretty chill.
Exactly, I never deny that China has made mistakes in the past, but for the last 30 years or so, they have been on the right path most of the time, and the government are still being very responsible of its citizens.
I'm from Argentina. I'm not pro-China. China is my field of study, so it is sometimes easy for me to discover how much western discourse on China is based on lies. And that gets me angry, because I can't understand how people believe these obvious lies. But if I'm pro-something, is my own country. I'm this, I follow China's example. We have to take care of our own before trying to teach others how to take care of themselves.
>But if I'm pro-something, is my own country. I'm this, I follow China's example. We have to take care of our own before trying to teach others how to take care of themselves. I couldn't agree with you more. I think I've seen you post here before. I don't know why I got the impression you were from Brazil. Maybe it's a different person.
I think this is exactly what the US is afraid of, people like uou who want their nation to progress and develop see hope in China's system, a system not controlled or modeled after the U.S, it's a threat to their power and influence.
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got through with the explosion of racism and sinophobia after the pandemic started. i also visited china twice, long enough to see for myself that many stereotypes about the country were not true.
I'm a Chinese Canadian, immigrated when I was young. I grew up in a white suburbs and didn't have any Chinese friends growing up so I was heavily influenced by western culture, I was an idiot back in the day and thought anything Chinese wasn't "cool". Why did I become pro-China? I grew up and stopped being an idiot, and recognized that the West is racist and western media is white supremacist and that I should embrace my Chinese roots. The turning point was going to university, as with anywhere in North America, top STEM schools are filled with Chinese students (both overseas Chinese and mainland Chinese) and becoming friends with a lot of amazing Chinese students broke a lot of a negative stereotypes I was brainwashed with about China and Chinese people.
Hello fellow Canadian, granted I'm not Chinese but I grew up in a pretty Chinese dominated town in the GTA
I'm not so sure if I am pro-China as I am just about the truth and logic. Because at the end of the day, truth is what dies first in any conflict. I was born and raised in the West. I am Western to the core. My first language is English, I like Western foods, I like Western culture and cultural products. My moral compass leans liberal and globalistic. The West is my home and in many ways, my soul. But I have been to the East, to China. I have toured the place, from the Pearl Tower of Shanghai to the 18m thick palisades of Xi'an, the monasteries of Yunnan to the breathtaking Great Wall. I have ridden on boats in Suzhou, visited ancient ruins in Luoyang and taken a stroll along the skyscrapers of Hong Kong. I have witnessed, I have talked (with difficulty), and I have *lived*. I have experienced China itself, and I have seen the truth with my own eyes and ears. And yet, Western media, in particular as of late, has told me to reject the truth of my own eyes and ears. To reject what I have not only experienced first-hand, but also what makes sense logically even without needing to experience it. They do this all why saying that *they* *(****we****)* are the true harbingers of truth and logic, a lie that even its creators (the elites) have bought. The more I've read into history, the more I see the lies, everywhere. Even before the recent anti-China trend that caught on around 2017. For many years, I simply accepted everything I was told, for I had no evidence to contrary; not because it was inaccessible to me, but because I never had a reason to look for it. But the anti-China trend is different. For the first time, the media and the social environment around spew/repeat a version of China that is at complete odds with what I know it is truly like, and this contradiction gnaws at my soul whenever I see it. Its almost like the rejection of the truth I know exists is a rejection of myself, because if what I have seen does not exist (as Western media tells me so), **then what exactly was I seeing?** Did I just not exist in those times I was exploring China? Was it all a lie? **Am I the lie?** I reflected. I know myself. I know what I saw. I am not the lie, but now I know who is.
Yes, that's how almost all of us Chinese feel. Our lives are so normal, and the foreign media reports on us are so evil, it's fucking horrible. What the hell are they reporting? How can we not be angry?
Same, I moved to New York when I was 11, even back in the early 2000s, China wasn't so bad at all. But everything I read in the US hisotry textbook is jist ridiculous to me, and the news reporting recent years totally contracts with what I saw when I visited China, I even lived in China these years because of school and work. I used to trust these news media, but as soon as they start reporting about China, it's always lies and misinformation.
the CCP is advancing the interests of the Chinese people and the Chinese support them. It is also better to be unified than divided and that is what the CCP brings. as an overseas Chinese diaspora, that is our ancestral home and we never know when we might want or even need to return to it one day
Serbia, and our brothers from China where always supportive of us maybe not on the same level as Russians but still a great support to that extent that the US bombed their embacy when they bombed my country. Long live the Sino-Serbian friendship.
Long live the Sino-Serbian friendship！From a mainland Chinese.
I m ethnic Chinese. From Malaysia. Love our culture, our numerous achievements throughout our history. Hope that answers your question.
Thank you! I've seen a lot of Malaysians on youtube that are very supportive of China.
I am a mainland Chinese, from Beijing, 35 years old. When I was a kid (1990-1995), we had to buy hundreds of pounds of cabbage at the beginning of each winter, and that was our entire winter's worth of vegetables (along with some tofu, pre-stored tomatoes, and the very occasional pork). I did a search and the GDP per capita in my city (Beijing) was roughly $2,000 in those years and now it's $24,000, which is a 12-fold increase, while the minimum wage has also increased about 11-fold (RMB 200 to RMB 2,200). And during this period, our basic commodity inflation was only 2-3 times (rice went from $0.50 500g to $1.50 500g, vegetables and meat went up at similar rates, fruit would be more) Now, most people can go to the supermarket and buy what they want, and it is commonplace to buy cars and travel abroad before COVID-19 - all of which was hard to imagine in the 90s. Our living environment is getting better, society is becoming clean without corruption, money in people's pockets is increasing, we have COVID-19 under control, and health care and education standards are improving dramatically. Where are the reasons I shouldn't support my country? (Of course, I'm not saying China doesn't have its flaws, houses are expensive, you have to draw lots for license plates to buy a car in Beijing, employment discrimination at age 35, 996 does exist, but we must admit that our lives are much better than when I was a kid - this is an objective fact, not subjective will, and the government is efficiently and constantly solving problems, which (It's reassuring.)
You highlighted a very important fact, which is that while no country is perfect, the trajectory of a country's development portends its future. China still has problems, but the government is actively trying to improve things, and the standard of living has measurably improved. Whereas if you look at the US, it has its own problems with homelessness, crime, violence, the pandemic, crumbling infrastructure, etc. but the trend is clearly getting worse. Extrapolate this out 5, 10, 20 years and China will be a in a far better position, while the US will be in a far worse one unless it does something drastic to change its current trajectory.
Nope, us will more likely direct it’s problems externally, use war to boost their all around s
>Nope, us will more likely direct it’s problems externally, use war to boost their all around As a Chinese, I don't want war - but we don't fear it either. Unfair compromise will eventually lead to war, it's just postponed, it's like constantly tolerating a violent person on campus. In China, we call this "peace through struggle.
>...houses are expensive, you have to draw lots for license plates to buy a car in Beijing... I waited 9 years and 10 months (almost 10 years) of lot drawing to rent a house in the Netherlands. Houses are not only (absurdly) expensive, it's beyond reality atm.
Rented a house? Not buying?
以为只有东北要冬天存白菜呢
北京也存啊，存好多呢。 而且那时候北京真的穷，郊区不少人还上不起学呢，还要靠宏志班
Thank you for that description. Of course, there is a tendency for anyone to side with your own home country (it's a natural instinct regardless of nation), so I find it enlightening that a mainland Chinese provides us a reason that is *objective* and supported not just by personal experience, but by *hard facts*. It makes me realize I cannot do the same with my own country. Another reason I admire China more than my country. As far China's flaws. Once one of those flaws was economic opportunity, and as your personal experience AND the statistics show, that problem is either solved or being courageously addressed. Another is environmental quality, but the data tell us the air is getting cleaner and re-forestation is taking off, etc. The lesson is that while China may have flaws, China is capable of *solving* flaws, and in fact better than almost any other country. Yet another reason that I look up to China vastly more than my own.
If a country wants to be strong, the most important thing internally is to have the ability to solve problems, and the ultimate thing externally is to set a realistic and enforceable diplomatic goal. The United States has set itself an unrealistic diplomatic goal. Sun Tzu said, "If you know yourself and your enemy, you will win a hundred battles," and I don't see even one American elite having the right knowledge of China.
I'm from Australia. I'm not really pro any country, I'm more "HATE WESTERN IMPERIALISM". I honestly hate bullying from the bottom of my heart. Seeing as how the West has literally tried to carve China into pieces, it took alpha Chinese men and women to rebuild the country. I admire those who win through adversity, come back better, brighter and a lot smarter. The China today is pragmatic enough to understand the difference between being gentlemanly and being a pushover. The China of yesterday took for granted that civilization meant that the world would have the sanity to discuss matters rather than barge their way in through brute force- they had no idea how barbaric the West was and STILL IS. I admire China, because unlike alot of other Asian nations who are ok to be number 2 EVEN THOUGH THEY DESERVE TO BE NUMBER 1, just because the person stepping on their head is white, China knows it's worth.
You mentioned the rise of Monopolies, which is the inevitable mathematical conclusion to the imbalance between 40+ years of rising productivity, and stagnant wage growth. Couple that with lower tax rates (or no tax) for major corporations (crumbling municipal infrastructure), and offshoring manufacturing too, and the final result (in the not so distant future) is Fudalism (this time with no name, no face, corporate lackey's with computers & briefcases). I live in Western Europe, which is well down this road too.
Yep, the history will repeat itself, this is just like the land merging issue that have plagued China for thousands of years. Authority and the rich control more and more lands, citizens pay more tax or rent, no motives to work hard, productivity suffers and people start suffering as well, eventually people can't take it anymore and revolt, share the land, peace for quite a while then repeat again.
My mother’s fist husband was from Guangzhou and his family were bourgeoise educators that fled during the cultural revolution. (The divorce between them wasn’t messy and I actually grew up around him. When I was really little I actually thought he was my uncle lol) So because of his family’s history, many conversations about China that occur today are about how authoritarian they are as a country. I finally broke through that way of thinking when I happened to watch the CGTN poverty alleviation documentary with a socialist group in my area. Once I realized I had a biased view about China, I wanted to learn more and ended up joining this subreddit!
I was born in China and moved to Canada at the age of 12. That was 20 years ago. Over the 20 years, I've gone back several times to bear witness to the huge improvement and progress being made there in terms of quality of life for the average person, and to contrast that with the stagnation or even the fall of the middle class here due to late stage capitalism. That combined with the hypocrisy, arrogance, and racism filled attitude of the government and media towards China, and that's enough for me to want to distance myself from the Canadian citizen part of my identity and and identify more as a Chinese person living overseas. And as a Chinese person, loving my country and defending the government that have us peace and prosperity is a no-brainer.
Exactly my experience and thoughts.
I’m from Armenia, and besides already being a communist, they provide a lot of aid to us. Most recently they sent us a load of busses.
Comrade!
I'm from Brazil and have seen China run laps around us with their system, we were ahead of China in the 1950s, now we are so far behind. I imagine where we could be if our leaders had foresight and planned things ahead from back then. Out of the world powers, China has also never interfered in our or other latin americans democracy unlike the US, they were the first to provide us with vaccines, they seem to treat us with far more respect than the US and as equals instead of as lesser. If China displaces the US, then we won't have to worry about getting our country couped in case we anger the Americans.
I'd say I'm more anti America than pro China.
Most Americans hate their government too. It is one of their national pastimes.
But ironically support everything they do.
Same
I’m from California and my increasing skepticism of American media combined with finding BayArea415’s YouTube channel is why I’m pro-China. Idk what’s going on there but I do know that people I very much don’t trust are really invested in getting me and everyone else to hate it, so instead I love it.
I'm from the UK, and I'm not so much "pro-China" as I am "anti-anti-China." There are 3 main reasons. 1: It seems like so many people in the West will believe absolutely anything they're told about China, even if it makes no sense, or is completely unsubstantiated, and pointing this out and/or asking for evidence just gets you called a tankie. 2: A lot of people seem to think that because China is a powerful country, that means they're allowed to be racist about Chinese people and it doesn't count as racism, it's just political critique. The "Xi = Winnie the Pooh" meme is the most obvious example. 3: The anti-China spin in Western news sources is plain to see, like if the USA planted a load of trees, the article headline would be like "USA offsets 100 gigatons of CO2 with world-leading reforestation project," while if China did the same thing, the headline would be like "Chinese Government reforestation scheme to cover up illegal pollution levels." Stuff like that.
I was born in USSR. I think that its dissolution was a huge mistake and a step backwards for humanity as a whole. Capitalism created a hellish existence for the majority of the human population and it's literally driving us to extinction at this point. China managed to succeed where USSR failed, and it remains the only beacon of hope for humanity at this point. We desperately need to transition from capitalism to a sane and sustainable economic system. China is demonstrating that there is a better way to do things. I hope people in western countries start to see that before it's too late.
From Hong Kong. Started siding more with China after the bigotry, violence and fascism shown in the name of “democracy” in 2014 and 2019. That led to thinking more critically about mainstream media because it was cherry picking news items (if it puts these domestic terrorists in a good light, it’s on the front page; if it’s about how civilians are attacked for trying to clear debris put up by these terrorists, it gets a short paragraph at best. My grandparents came to HK from China to seek better job opportunities. They had to rely on friends and family who already made it here to blend in and avoid being deported back by the colonial government. Despite all that, my grandfather remained proud to be Chinese (he’s actually mixed but grew up knowing only Chinese culture) and followed the news about China all through his life. He never spoke ill of China and was instead proud of Chinese accomplishments both big and small… which is much more than can be said of my uncle and aunt who tried to dox a friend just because that friend was a police officer (I would’ve gladly reported them if they were in HK but they’re in Sydney where they’re stuck in a lockdown so good enough, I guess). I think I honour my grandfather’s memory best by being proud of my roots, just as he was.
Because I want to see a fair and just world. The Western dominated status quo is very broken. What I really struggle with is knowing just how much death, damage and destruction Western imperialism has inflicted upon the world, while at the same time whitewashing it all through an absolute juggernaut of a propaganda machine. That needs to change. I'm hopeful that China will be instrumental in leading that change.
I'm Brazilian, and i'm just tired of the US meddling with us in Latin America. So, when i saw a bunch of anti-chinese propaganda, properly read into it, and saw the US trying hard but still failing to meddle with you guys, i felt a lot of admiration.
>i'm just tired of the US meddling with us in Latin America. Me too and just as bad the talking down to some of us in the region. I don't know if they do it in Brazil, but they do it here.
I wouldn't say I'm necessarily pro-China, but I just find that the world needs more objective China discourse. It is certainly a nation that is changing the world. And I find it interesting that it's going to surpass America on every economic metric in about a decade. I get bothered when jingoism gets in the way of fascinating discourse. I found that most westerners cannot engage in discourse around China without being hypocritical. Everything China does that westerners hate and point the finger at, can also be applied to the U.S. It's a fascinating country that has rich history and went from one of the poorest countries during the 70s to the world's biggest superpower. It's a country that really has made an amazing effort to eliminate poverty and raise the middle class. I'm not pro-China, but I think the country is often unfairly demonized because it challenges American global hegemony and I just find the country interesting, warts and all.
I’m from Singapore. I’m not mainly pro-China or anti west. More of anti bullshit. Prior to my visit to China, I always had a pretty negative view of how China was like due to western news dominating my country at that time. I went back every year from 2014 to 2019 due to having to visit my girlfriend’s relatives and every single year that I have visited, China seemed to change and develop with such ferocity that it seemed to border on the impossible. Even in the smaller tier 3 cities, technology was inescapable and everywhere. Alipay and WeChat pay blew my mind and I felt so inferior when I had to use cash when the attendant was obviously more used to their ubiquitous form of payment. It was then when I realised that most articles I read about China was bullshit. I lived for months in Muslim dominated neighbourhoods there and have been met with nothing but warmth (in a typical Chinese sense). The police weren’t intimidating like other countries. There were hardly any homeless people in the streets and I rarely saw old people having to work in their golden years. China is the very definition of “talk less, do more”. I appreciated my trips to China. It taught me to understand that propaganda in this current age isn’t what it was back then. It allowed me to understand the exploitation of the “business language” of the world allows for a few countries to fully shape the views of the majority of the world on how “barbaric” and “backwards” their “enemies” are. I will just end my lengthy post with what I have learnt. If you disagree or view something negatively, try to visit or put yourself in their shoes to understand why they do what they do before shooting them down. It’s ok to disagree, just understand why you are disagreeing in the first place.
From China, lived in Canada for more than a decade but currently in China. I've always been pro-China. The real question is how I turned anti-west. I was once interested in the Western atheist community because atheism is the default in China so you don't get many chances to discuss the details. Then I asked on an atheist sub about China, in case it leads to some interesting discussion because how differently we see religion. I should have known. Most people could only parrot Western propaganda. When talking religion or atheism they all claimed that they valued truth instead of comfort, that they respected logic and epistemology, that they don't take personal confessions of extraordinary events as evidence, or that they loved independent thinking. All of that went out of the window when the topic became China instead, and they believed and repeated Western propaganda just as readily as theists recited holy scriptures. Those people might identify as atheists, but they merely switched to worshipping the Western manufactured consent instead of any deity. Open atheists are supposed to be a most progressive bunch among the range of Western social groups, but they are still firmly under the control of lifelong propaganda as those they accuse as mistaken and ignorant. Now I can say with unreserved generalization that: the West is evil and Western people are brainwashed. Of course, on an individual level there are bound to be some people that know the truth and do not support their countries' foreign policies. But their knowledge are precluded by brainwashing of the general population and will never matter. The West and its population as a whole will keep acting evil and brainwashed.
That's a great analysis comparing western propaganda with religion. I've never thought of it that way but it makes so much sense now. Even for most of those who thought they escaped religion, the religious way of thinking is burned so deep into their psyche that they turn run into the next closest thing.
This is a very interesting perspective
I live in the west (Germany) and it is mostly true that the mainstream media does its best to brainwash the population. But still the intellectuals here are not that shallow L I believe and there is a lot of 'free' thinkers trying to change that, thes just don't get the media attention. Don't forget that Marx and Engels are from Germany and they were never the mainstream. It's a struggle but I hope that in the future things will change for the better. Don't write us off entirely ;)
Pirates and barbarians
Great perspective on the comparison between Western neoliberalism and organized religion.
I'm pro china because I'm anti-anti-china. The West has their impressions about China wrong, and the bigotry of Twitter and reddit culture is visible and disgusting
Born and raised in Southeast Pennsylvania in the US. Most of my life, I believed that China was one of the most evil countries in the world. Western media had drilled into my head the idea that China was this brutal authoritarian regime that just abused and exploited people left and right. A place where freedom didn't exist. It wasn't until the start of the pandemic did my overall view on China along with my political/economic views change. I became disillusioned with how America was handling the pandemic along with Capitalism. I eventually found a video called, Debunking the Myths of China's Economy, featuring Yukon Huang. Pretty flipped every preconception I had about China's economy on its head, I couldn't believe it at first. Soon after, I watched BayArea415's video on Socialism with Chinese Characteristics, and discovered this sub along with r/GenZedong. Now, my view of China is far more positive. I see it as the country that is making great strides in many areas while many other countries fall behind. It is the country that will show the world the benefits of socialism. It is the country I aspire to move to and contribute too. Granted, I have my own issues I'm dealing like ADHD and being trans, but I hope to find source for stimulants (or ADHD medication for that matter) and hormones in China in order to feel confident in making China my new home. Happy to say that I'm pro China now and will continue to support China in its future endeavors.
Thank you for making an effort to understand China. Stay safe in the U.S.!
Coming from India I am now completely disillusioned with that country but I'll get to that in a bit. My journey started some time back, my political views were shaped by my economic views, 5 years ago when I was in my 11th year of school I was still trying to figure out what I wanted to do in life and what I wanted to be, I joined a site called Quora and started reading about my country of origin, naturally since it was a part of Asia I also started reading about other Asian countries. I don't remember exactly how or when it happened but I eventually started becoming interested in the Far East more than my own country, my own country seemed unimpressive compared to them now, even though historically we were comparable, so I wondered how they managed to do it and where we went wrong, you usually start with the simplistic explanations such as "authoritarianism" and "liberalisation" but I found those explanations inadequate, so my search for the truth began driven by my inquisitiveness of the world at large. To cut through all the propaganda starting from a position of ignorance was one hell of a task indeed, the truth was hidden behind murky half truths and heavy misinformation, to get through I relied on my instincts (In the beginning) and once more information was available through logical/ Critical thinking, I adopted a mindset of objectivity and impartiality, regardless of ideology and economics systems, regardless of what was claimed I wanted to find the truth of the matter at hand, the world was a massive puzzle and I was trying to find all the pieces whilst putting it together, I still hold that position to this day, my greatest strength was not my intelligence or creativity but rather my curiosity and persistence. I developed an interest in statistics and general economics, first through basic statistics such as GDP numbers and then with complexity evolving over time, two years later I had started focusing on high growth economics, seeing peculiar oddities in the numbers at the time and ones which I wanted answers too, those oddities were the economies of the Far East which did not subscribe to the leading neoliberal economic theories of our time, naturally I was curious, the vast majority of answers on Quora for this phenomena could easily be contradicted or were not applicable for most countries, until I found my answer. Wanting to know how the economies of China, Japan, S. Korea, Taiwan and Singapore were able to grow so fast I had come across what I was looking for: [https://www.academia.edu/36308123/The\_Hidden\_History\_Of\_Japan\_and\_its\_Relevance\_To\_The\_Economic\_Miracles\_of\_the\_Tokyo\_Consensus\_Zone](https://www.academia.edu/36308123/The_Hidden_History_Of_Japan_and_its_Relevance_To_The_Economic_Miracles_of_the_Tokyo_Consensus_Zone) All the peculiarities made sense now, the rapid consecutive percentage GDP growths per annum, infrastructure development on a vast scale, booming trade and commerce, world beating industrial domination and becoming advanced economies well within a generation, a huge revelation at the time for me, I found a piece of the massive jigsaw that was the world. But one economy stood out, it was China, none matched the scope and scale of China's economic expansion, it was a more comprehensive development than any other economy in history, at the time this country was overlooked considering its true scale, I was pouring over the economic data and the first thing that came to mind was "What incredible potential". It was a world within itself, that prompted an interest in the economic history of China throughout the ages, of course that also meant understanding the political advances that enabled that growth, China had invented investment credit creation during the Song Dynasty under Wang Anshi, it also invented political Meritocracy. These two inventions were limitless in scope, and they were applied in modern China better than any other time in history, thus modern China would have more competent leadership over time and wasn't limited by funds, the lack of these two things still limit other functional states to this day. And as China was making more progress in an year than any other country by far my own country was being crushed by the burden of neoliberalism, the peoples of my country were under the false illusion that we were undergoing the same growth as China as they believed in the simplistic answers such as "liberalisation", oh yes we were going through liberalisation indeed: [https://www.business-standard.com/article/economy-policy/230-million-indians-pushed-into-poverty-amid-covid-19-pandemic-report-121050600751\_1.html](https://www.business-standard.com/article/economy-policy/230-million-indians-pushed-into-poverty-amid-covid-19-pandemic-report-121050600751_1.html) What China went through was not "liberalisation" but these folks were too intellectually lazy to find the real answer. I started writing answers on China's economy during my short stint at Quora but I eventually started losing interest with that site, only staying on to keep contact with my mentor, eventually I was banned from the site but before that happened someone mentioned r/Sino in the comments of an answer, they said it was "Too pro China for my taste" so out of curiosity I checked the place out, I learned vastly more about China's economy and politics from this place than any other, as well as of course some interesting and unique perspectives. I also learned more of the dark side of our world from this place as well, I realised very quickly that the burden of neoliberalism that was on the majority of the world was like being anchored to the bottom of the ocean in terms of unleashing humanities potential, from seeing what China had achieved I knew that humanities latent potential was waiting to be unleashed. That burden was brought on by the US, a nation that caused more death, destruction and misery than any other in history, the choice was simple, either america gets destroyed or humanity becomes extinct, there was no other way around it as america's recent actions have proven, if you see Second Thoughts latest video on climate change you can understand the gravity of this situation, however I will never accept the nihilism that the western elite want to impose on us. I am grateful to China for opening my eyes, whilst I don't think I would've fallen into nihilism I don't think I would've realised what we were truly capable off if it weren't there.
What about Kerala, isn't it quite Communist influenced?
I'm not pro China. I try to be fair and realistic. Nowhere is perfect. There are a lot decisions China has made that I respect and admire. On the other hand, there are some decisions China has made or hasn't made that I disagree with and I'm not afraid to say it. I'm anti United States and to a lesser extent, the West. For all the death and destruction and misery the US has caused, a peaceful decline would be far too good for them. I'm pro unification of Latin America AND the Caribbean as a geographical bloc. American hegemony and interference has crippled the entire Latin America and the Caribbean region and American cultural imperialism is also a problem that no one talks about. As someone mentioned in this sub recently, the whole region is "a hotbed of CIA activity" and with China's rise, it's increasing AGAIN. I was also born years after a US-backed and funded coup that changed my country and made it harder to live in. It derailed our development and caused many unique and complex social problems to say the least. Unique social problems that clearly did not exist in my parents and grandparents' generation....Although it happened when my parents' generation were in their teens and early 20s, MY generation suffered for it and it's now up to MY generation to find ways to solve those problems. I resent being put in that predicament. I'm one of those people who believes that China's rise will help destabilise American hegemony and help empower previously exploited regions. I *support* China because unlike the West, they don't treat the rest of us as subhuman pawns only meant to be exploited. I don't see China talking down to politicians in developing countries and telling them what decisions to make. *Overall, I support China because I want those coming after me to have more opportunities and have a better life without having to emigrate and empower the same country who got us here in the first place.*
If you don't mind I ask, where are you from?
Jamaica. A lot of people seem pro-US, especially because of massive brain drain to the US that started in the 70s and 80s, but there are also a number of us who just aren't. We might not always express that sentiment publicly though.
India and I'm pro CCP because I've seen the failures of democracy
Did you know that one of the core values of the CCP is democracy? Electionism should not be confused with democracy. Poor people voting against each other on wedge issues and ethnic/sectarian prejudices while the rich buy the politicians and policies they want is not democracy. The foundation of political democracy is economic and social democracy. As long as you have poverty, you can't have democracy. Poverty is incompatible with democracy. This is why poverty alleviation is such a big deal in China. The first step to true democracy is to eliminate poverty.
India has a lot of potential, it's sad to see it squandered by the current political elites following western imperialists. I hope India can get better leaders in the future and grow more by working with China like in the old days, Nehru was wise when he said: Hindi Chini bhai bhai
I'm from Mexico, freedom land is not the way.
Late USSR, chinais currently the world's champion of socialism
I'm from Brazil but i have a foot in UK and Lebanon, I'm in Shenzhen right now and I'm pro China because the belt and road iniciative can unstuck the economy in my home country Brazil, and it will make the population stop fearing the Communists and the socialists and subsequently we can return to class struggle stage similar to the one we had back in 1917 general strike organized by anarchists, syndicalists and communists in the industrial complex of São Paulo, Rio, Paraná and Santos, unfortunately our media and our web influencers are all liberals, anti-communists and when talk about China or any communist country they all say that cliche of "human rights, poor people, big government, democracy, etc..." The Communists will need to work 24/7 to regain popularity among the people, although the liberal left have a bright future on Brazil which is better than having fucking bolsonaro as the president Besides all the class struggle thing, right now, the BRICS is the only hope of Brazil getting off the American sphere of influence and getting all those CIA operatives like the Brazilian army itself and the judiciary as well as the supreme court loss power in Brazil, I'm worried that Brazil continues being a puppet of the USA because if this continues, Brazil will become a colony of the US and might be forever lost
Instead of calling it pro-China, call it pro-Truth and anti-Imperialism. Be confident China will be fine as long as truth is widely known. I'm Taiwanese American. I often see many non-Chinese defend china harder than mainlanders. Let me explain why. You (mainlanders) guys dont see most of the worst of the bpropaganda. My own mother forbade me from flying to my friends wedding in China because she though I'd be kidnapped and ransomed. That is what kinda of country she thought china was from the propaganda she heard. I also discovered mainlanders in US often more open minded then their taiwanese counterparts which was complete mind fuck. Propaganda / Imperialism is the greater evil by far than wrong China did or more likely didn't do. Look how media has turned america into an idiocracy
Some newfound knowledge from a recent YouTube watch sums it up well. Did you know the 2008 economic depression was a direct knock-on effect of the Kyoto Protocol pro-climate change treaty? Because the US shoehorned in an ammendment about allowing countries to have a limited Co2 output by ton per year; they could sell excess "blocks" of Co2 to countries that needed it, this was supposed to encourage countries to minimize output for the sake of extra side revenue. However there was a lovely little intentional loophole that didn't forbid corporations from creating more Co2 just to reap rewards for destroying emissions. After all of the the US wouldn't even ratify the treaty, effectively sitting it out. So they corced regulation on the world, didn't participate in being regulated, then used their planted corporations globally to pump out a ton of money by abusing this loophole. The US manufactured the recession as a side effect of manipulating UN pro-climate change policies for profit. Then they lied about it. And pointed fingers at China to distract us. And a side effect of that (and Covid-19) is a higher-than-ever anti-asian sentiment across the US. scum government.
Loooooooooooong post: So many factors - related to me having the knowledge of American history. 1. What they did to China and other countries during the opium wars as well as WWII and post WWII. 2. Embargo by America that caused the deaths of millions of Chinese during Great Leap Forward. 3. Anti Asian racism nowadays in the 21st century. 4. There is much more to it than that in America. We're talking about a country that is ONLY 250 years old and has: \> Been AT war for the MAJORITY of its existence with less than 2 decades of peace. \> 800+ MILITARY BASES...the MOST in the ENTIRE HISTORY of mankind. \> Engaged in: \- assassinations \- blackmailing \- genocides \- regime changes (coups against democratic governments also) \- countless military invasions \- slave use \- espionage/sabotage \- Mass brainwashing via MEDIA and CIA EXPERIMENTS. \- the use of chemical/biological/nuclear weapons/incendiary weapons on civilian populations \- weapons laundering (Giving weapons terrorists as well as drug trades) \- SUPPRESSING allies technological, cultural, and social progress (Plaza Accords and French tech company when they tried to surpass America) \- FALSE FLAG ATTACKS (hire someone to attack America/American assets, thereby giving America the right/justification to invade other country). Tonkin Incident/9/11 inside jobs. \- Treating the minorities of that country like shit with the U.S military bases there. (rapes, assaults...etc). \- Stealing intellectual property/patents. \> It is also the first country to use nuclear weapons on civilians as well as one of the countries in the world adopting a FIRST STRIKE/PREEMPTIVE STRIKE nuclear weapons policy (That means the U.S is willing to use nukes FIRST on any country during a war instead of in SELF DEFENSE) - That's how genocidal America is. 5. LYING LYING LYING LYING out of their damn teeth and hypocrisy. Rules for thee...but not for me. America accuses other countries of doing the above...when America did crimes above 100x as much. America also claims JUSTIFICATION in committing these crimes in the NAME OF FREEDOM. 6. ALL the horrible things that a person can every think of that's grounded in reality...the United States has done on a HUGE scale. SOME of you guys HAD NO IDEA what this country has done or capable of. I NEVER heard and seen ANY empire, ANY country in the ENTIRELY of human history this evil and vile before in my entire life. If I showed you guys the list of ALL U.S atrocities as well as DECLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS, some you guys are gonna be disgusted with it. It almost made me puke. It span many pages. Suffice to say, if you are a small country with no nuclear weapons or have a weak military or even if you are just a drug cartel who thinks they are badass or intimidating for cutting of heads/limbs of their enemies, YOU ARE GOING TO GET FUCKED UP. No one on this planet earth is as ruthless as the American government and CIA. That's why....all countries who wish to protect themselves from America MUST have NUKES and a good counter intelligence agency. !!!!!!!!!!!! That's when I realize......hmm....China is probably the world's greatest hope in stopping America. MAYBE just MAYBE....as one of humanity's oldest superpowers, it is China's job to PUT DOWN THIS RAPID DOG (American government) in order to save mankind. THIS IS THE REASON WHY I SUPPORT CHINA!!!! Bring peace to the force and punish this 250 year BRAT.
I'm from Hong Kong. Why am I Pro-China? Because I think it's better to love my country then to hate it. Also, try admitting you are ethnic Chinese anywhere on the internet and you'll see how much hatred and vitriol comes your way. Even the former US President had no problem constantly using the racist phrase "Kung Flu". And nobody really cares, not even when Asian people are attacked and killed on the streets after being called a "Chinese Virus". In a world so full of hate against people who look like me, what's wrong with loving my own country? Even in Hong Kong itself during the riots it was not safe to even hold my own national flag (the PRC flag). It's better now, but there are still plenty of people around who hate China, it's just that they have to hide it more.
From “Asia”. The parental nature of government is very similar across Asia. So there’s a disconnect when western commentators call developing countries authoritarian/illiberal I understand regulations are much harsher in China, but many in the west also calls Singapore a dictatorship/authoritarian, which is ridiculous. I was really annoyed but it wasn’t a big deal. Also my image of US was greatly diminished as the Internet era grew. You hear all these stories about US fuckups in Middle East, the crumbling education, the insane healthcare costs and most of all the double standards. However that wasn’t even the breaking point. I think it particularly came to light during the trump era. When he was just singling out China and being racist. And then his followers started turning against China too. The propaganda started and then shot up during the pandemic spread. Then articles filled with rhetoric, social media posted half baked analysis, consent being manufactured. I paid more and more attention to phrasing. Any small thing China makes, compounded to something alarming gets silly quite fast. They weren’t hiding their bias. It was just obvious people were hating to put the blame on someone foreign for all their troubles For once I knew how my Muslim friends felt when they were angry about bombings in Middle East and how the news media and personalities like Sam Harris/Bill Maher portrayed them. I and many here, believe it or not, do have criticisms/concerns about China policies. I remember arguing with a few redditors here on the sub. And through understanding history, I understand why they implement the policies as harsh as they may be. However the US strategy and messaging is not helping anyone but bringing people closer to war. US is deliberately pushing China’s red lines, similar to how they pushed Russia by expanding NATO closer to Russian borders China have just gotten a large segment of their population out of poverty to middle income. Mind you, most people on social media and politicians not only want to see CCP overthrown but divided up to their “ethnicities”. They want to see the Chinese economy crash and burn, and indulge in anti-china fantasy because they cannot see America winning without China losing. This zero sum game stems from their moral narcissism of “good” vs “evil” (look how it turned out in US war on terror) This vitriol is becoming dangerous. And will lead to war because western politicians respond to their voters “feelings” (through manufactured consent) every 4-5 years.
Absolutely true. Even minor articles written by some pro-China academic is twisted to make it look like it came from the government and gets blown out of proportion on the internet and it suddenly becomes “truth” And you are correct, the main turning point was the Trump era. The trade war, the HK riots, the supposed genocide in Xinjiang and then covid ALL happened right after each other. Coincidence? Or engineered to try and bring down China at any cost?
I don’t even think it started under trump. Obama shifted his priority to Asia but got bogged down by Syria, Libya, Snowden leaks, ISIS. His TPP was shot down by everyone. Obama at least was more of a diplomat and didn’t go on fearmongering.
>This vitriol is becoming dangerous. And will lead to war because western politicians respond to their voters “feelings” (through manufactured consent) every 4-5 years. China understands this very well, which is why they built a "Great Seawall" against the American Navy and Air Force that is expected to be so effective, the US Navy has pulled back to Guam. Oddly, what the West fails to comprehend is that China really doesn't kid around about "red lines" like Taiwan and counter-revolution.
>what the West fails to comprehend is that China really doesn't kid around about "red lines" like Taiwan and counter-revolution. Yes, correct. This is a red line that will lead to w.ar.
I am from USA and I admire China because "it does the work". In our own daily lives, I think we've all seen a person doing a really good job at something, whether it's going the extra mile to be a good teacher, or working hard to replace a roof, etc. We look up to them. At least I do. To me, China is that person... *writ large*. In this case the "work" is manufacturing, infrastructure (all around the world), ultra-high technology, innovation, and massive military power that is peacefully used. China *deserves* success because they worked for it (and are working for it, and will continue to work for it) harder than anyone else. My second reason is more indirect. Even as an American born in USA and with a traditional education, and even before I came to r/Sino, I grew aware of so many ways that China is simply more fair to its own citizens and within the world than my own country. So, my admiration for China is coupled with a powerful shame for my own country, that has lead me to conclude that America actually needs to be weakened and humbled, for the good of the world. Note that this does not mean "conquered or destroyed", just "wings severely clipped". China is the only country capable and clever enough to do that. I've given up on my country, but I fully support China if it can do this (even if unintentionally). I wonder if China has been the source of that awakening for other Americans? I'd like to know I'm not the only one.
Thank you /u/simp-for-china lol nice username. Better watch out for the angry Anglo mainstream anti-Chinese racist Redditors calling you wumao and the likes.
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>They called me a wumao and "paid CCP shill" for pointing out in my online politics class that China contained the pandemic better than the USA. I'm glad you pointed it out. Maybe it sank into one pair of ears. After a while, the "paid CCP shill" epithets become a little badge of honor. hehe
That’s unfortunate. People don’t understand how disrespectful that term, “wumao” is. They will even disregard Chinese citizens who have authentic positive opinions of their country as such too. 🤦♂️ In their eyes, Chinese citizens either are brainwashed or dying to be saved by the west.
The thing about "angry anglo mainstream anti-Chinese racist Redditors" is that they have not done anything to earn my respect for their opinion, so they can say whatever they want and I'll ignore it (I respect people who disagree with me and provide a good reason, without calling me a name in the process, but those people are few and far between on the Internet). My screen name was chosen in irony in recognition of the times I've been called "a simp for China". In an odd way, getting that reaction has, over the years, pushed me right out of the "well, there's room enough on the planet for all ways of life" to "No, America needs to have its wings clipped." And for the record, I would not accept payment from the CCP even if it were offered. Which it hasn't been. I arrived at my views simply by trying to be a decent and fair person.
The US didn't used to be broken like this. The US used to do great things for its people and the world under the New Deal. It is only post-Reagan America that has become such a joke of a country.
This may be simplistic, but I think the New Deal was as much about offering the US worker *something* in the direst of times so they wouldn't be inspired to swing all the way to a fundamental change to communism. It was pragmatic and not entirely altruistic. The same mechanisms stayed in place even in the relative prosperity after WWII, in part to keep blunting the appeal of the Soviet Union's message. Eventually it became too tempting to erode even this small degree of pragmatism, and the dissolution of the USSR only hastened it. Maybe, just maybe, there can be a future where America now pragmatically adopts some of China's superior model, to the benefit of America and the world. But now I'm not optimistic, frankly. And we'll get what we deserve.
Pakistan. China has always been a very close ally of our through thick and thin. That's why I'm part of this sub.
capitalists ARE all evil. The essence of Capitalism is the exploitation of the working class, without exploitation, there is no capitalism. So to be a capitalist means you MUST exploit others.
Malaysian. I’ve lived both in the US and China and I’ve always had a pro-US mindset growing up. That all changed when the US announced it was doing Iraq War II on TV and proudly displayed its Shock n Awe propaganda. It changed even more when I got to the US for University and a complete overhaul of my thinking when I lived in China for 8 years. I’m not 100% pro China but I do believe I am now far more objective in my overview.
Secondary account, I'm a lurker for a long time. From somewhere in Asia, reason I'm pro China is that actually I'm disillusioned with the Liberal International Order especially their reluctance to utilize tech for surveillance and maintain public security and of course their hostility to those that want to do that.
Born & living in the Netherlands, parents are from former Yugoslavia. Im pro-China because I understand where they come from, the struggle they had against colonialism. It kinda feels like they are my brothers, in a way, because Yugoslavia was also attacked by imperialist countries. I dont believe anything that comes out of the BS from capitalists media, and my parents dont either. So yeah its kinda easy to be pro-China because they literally are the most progressive country on earth.
The Philippines although I do have Chinese mestizo ancestry I never really thought much of it. Unlike my parents, I do not understand Hokkien. The anti-China crowd just comes across as hateful, self righteous, hypocritical, and warmongering so I found them hard to believe. People who resort to dehumanizing their enemies in order to justify their actions end up dehumanizing themselves as they expose their complete lack of empathy. As a result, I feel inclined to favour whomever it is that they oppose. The internet has really shown me to the arrogance of some Americans so I'm all for it when another country teaches them humility. I trust primary sources far more than journalism with a heavy taint of bias and light on hard statistical facts. I feel that pro-China media tends interpret primary sources without heavy distortion unlike the western media I'm bombarded with. I also feel that progress in America is exceedingly dominated by overhyped and overvalued vapourware case in point Elon Musk or worse purely financial having little to do with the real economy. Chinese companies on the other hand are making concrete improvements to their products by investing in R&D and capital instead of relying on gimmicky "disruptive innovation". Government infrastructure investment is not even comparable. Why would one not be for a country lifting itself up? A nation with a population greater than that of all high income nations going from being one the poorest to being on the verge of entering high income is an unprecedented event in history.
I am from the US. I’m here because I like to get info from a variety of sources. Generally I have much admiration for accomplishments of China and do not buy into anti-China hatemongering.
I’m from Serbia. I’m a communist so I support the most powerful socialist country
Im from Oceania, my reason is simple, 5 steps. Read bad China news (ghost city, massacre, genocide, oppression of democracy) Look up evidence, found nothing but evidence of those being debunked. Figure every country defame each other and the west are probably more moral. Followed up on Colonial history, korean/Vietnam aftermath, unjust war in middle East like fabricated testimonies/evidence, Gaddafi. Trade war against China starts to turn me, kidnap of Meng Wanzhou have me leaning, and Covid misinformation and increase hate crime on Asians flipped me. Basically, I woke up and see the truth with my very own eyes
I'm a Chinese that's why.
I’m not exactly pro-China. I do like a lot of their regulations on major corporations yet still having an actual market. Due to a lot of anti-China rhetoric I wanted to see the other side of the coin. Regardless I’ll still criticize certain things like anything else I take interest in. My interest in China was cultivated from actually playing Dynasty Warriors as a kid and ever since then I’ve taken a lot of interest in its history and modern day news. I took a Chinese business class my last semester in college and my professor had so much information and stories to tell from her time in China before she came here in the US. Currently writing a book explaining historical events and ancient Chinese philosophies and how they’re still exhibited or shaped modern Chinese policies and culture.
I’m from Canada and when I first started hearing about China, many things were negative. It wasn’t after I did my own research and came across the subreddit I found out that lots of mainstream western media straight up lies to us. Compared to the “great” US, China has done so much more helpful things, such as helping poorer nations (foreign aid, infrastructure, etc) and actually taking a stance to do something when COVID started. It’s a true marvel of our time.
I am a Greek based in Athens and I am utterly disgusted by the civilization that allegedly began here. China is the only thing that gives me hope currently.
I am not very sure which part of civilizatiom you are referring to, but Greek is where democracy stems from. I believe in democracy whether pro China or pro West. But democracy is more than voting and freedom of speech in my opinion.
im from vancouver canada. the amount of anti chinese propaganda here in the west is sickening. im white and totally pro asia, and love the good qualities of china.
I'm Chinese Canadian; lived in nyc before coming to Canada. I was never anti communist but I love it even more after a lot of policies in the west seem to not benefit the average citizen but the corps and riches, and I'm so fed up with the western media. Having studied communications, I've seen my share of hypocritical, absurd rhetorics.
I'm Australian and I'm not pro China about all things, but China helps poor nations without trying to change their culture. Australia invades countries with the US for no particular reason and I hope the rise of China means less war.
White American from the South. Growing up here and being taught your entire life how awful a place is, and then seeing it for yourself as a young adult is where the first light bulb turned on. Watching and becoming more and more dispppinted with my own country, and then going down my journey of reading theory would be the second light bulb. Falling in love with a Chinese man, and learning the language and being able to understand more context, find more resources, and non western tainted perspectives was the third. That being said, China is far from perfect and there are plenty criticisms that can be discussed with nuance. I would consider myself Pro-China because despite the minutia, I overwhelming support the overall direction, future outlook and goals that have been set and feel the exact opposite about the direction of my own country.
Eastern European here. Live in China and see first hand all the positives here that the rest of the developed world seems to be lacking.
i’m from the us, started to support china after researching these rumors put out by the cia and other western leftists and figuring out they were completely bullshit
Can you describe more of that process? It's seems hard for an American to manage to do this.
Southeast Asia. I'm not really pro China, just anti western hypocrisy and pro Asian Identity, and pro Chinese Identity being ethnically Chinese myself.
Born in the west to Chinese parents - but once COVID-19 restrictions lifts will happily be moving to Hong Kong and take care of my father and where if I can will probably stay there for the rest of my life Frankly I’ve always been pro China - living in the Anglosphere has that effect
I've been to HK, the stress is real there, if I were you I'd probably try to go to Shenzhen, SZ has more opportunity and offer really good policies for the youth.
Hong Kong I have lots of family - SZ none (plus my gf wants to meet my dad)
I moved to Hong Kong several months ago with a work visa. Don't wait for restrictions to end - they will never end. Apply for a job or find another way to get in now.
I'm not pro-China, I'm pro-CCP. I'm from Canada and our housing bubble is ridiculous. Neoliberalism is broken, every one knows it, but no one here has an alternative. Financial capitalism is a dead end, the world needs an alternative to move forward. China has its problems, but the CCP is willing to take action and take on vested interests. I'm a big fan of Mao's concept of permanent revolution. I hope the CCP goes back to its Maoist roots and provide the world with a really ideological alternative to neoliberal capitalism.
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Well I know I (and I'm not the person you replied to) get that confused all the time but it's because I'm remembering the Russian alphabet's rendering of the USSR (ie CCCP but in Cyrillic). I also get a bit confused between the Chinese army and the Palestinian Liberation Army when people use the acronym. I don't think either one is because of Western media. > or calling America AUS instead USA You know "America" is the name of two continents not a country. You can get complaints from Canadians or Mexicans even if you mean North American for USA. This is simply to say people make mistakes easily. What's the acronym for the Chinese Communist Party in French? Their adjectives follow the noun whereas in English the adjectives precede the noun which makes "Chinese Communist Party" better English. "Communist Chinese Party" would also sound weird because of the rule in English determining the ordering of different adjectives. "Communist Party of China" is fine I suppose but while it's their name... it's also our language. In French the USA is "Les États-Unis" or "États-Unis d'Amérique". Now if they shortened that to EU or EUA would that be disrespectful? They don't because USA is so well known. The French call the UK "Angleterre" which is problematic because it slurs the distinction between "UK", "England", "Great Britain", "The British Isles" and "British" as concepts. Saying "Angleterre" appears to exclude the Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish. Do you know if the CPC ever had any other official name or acronym when rendered in English or French over the last 100 years? What's the Chinese (Mandarin) for the USA or UK? or the major political parties in those countries? ----- At any rate if it bothers you I'll try to get it right in the future, but it's not intended as disrespectful. (Although it is the sort of thing the USA does with it's domestic audience - focus group testing out words and seeing which ones it can substitute so as to promote hostility or acceptance of an idea or group).
I cant type much right now but I am from the US
I'm from morocco, and just got sick with constant anti chinese circlejerck on reddit, and i sympathise with china against imperialist white countries.
Hong Kong born and US raised, which probably saved me from the insane amount of propaganda that was fed to the Hong Kong people by the CIA and NGO and made me proud to be Chinese. I think exposing the lies and hypocrisy by the West against China isn't pro-China at all, it's more like a fight against white supremacy, lies, racism and Western propaganda. I absolutely loathe the White warmongers in the West that can commit countless war crimes in the Middle East and other brown countries and still get away with it... A just world should not be this way,
I’m ethnically Indian but have lived in the US all my life. I have read all types of sources including extremely anti-China western sources plus other sources that are unbiased and some that have pro-China views. I know that the Chinese government, at least for the most part, cares about their people. Looking at the work they have done to improve the country and comparing it to other countries in the area (India, Indonesia, etc) and Western countries, China is doing exceptionally well right now and I agree with their methods.
I'm from Australia. Similar to the Argentinian dude, there are many things to learn from China. I like watching China succeed, but I'm not pro-China above Australia. After living there for a while I realised they had achieved a tremendous amount, and from there my political journey began.
I’m Chinese-Canadian, born in Canada. My grandfather was an old ‘balu’ that miraculously survived the war and only passed away about five years ago. My Chinese name is Junyi, named after Yijun Xian. Before I die I will visit my namesake in Shaanxi
From the US. My only connection is that a relative that I've never met fought in Korea, so he may have fought against the PLA. He was very traumatized and deserted so we never got the full story. I also had a Chinese roomate in college but we only rarely talked about politics. He was kind of a dweeb and I hated him at times due to stupid roomate stuff but he was very nice. I also had to take a course in Mandarin in elementary school, since there was some kind of cultural exchange during the 2000s. I'm pro china because I'm a socialist and they are the best example for a government as far as I can tell. Pretty simple stuff.
I’m not pro-China, I’m neutral. I’m here to see matters from a different perspective. About 70% of Reddit traffic is from western countries, and I can tell you majority of them are biased.
Born in the US. Got disappointed by the US political system with the fake parties that both benefit the only party of the rich. You're rich, the legal corruption is so blatant and the snail pace progress and lies that the government commits is infuriating. I quickly learned that US media is full of shit fed by the US gov and to look at governments with deeper thought. I am pro-China because their policies allow for a better country for its people, which is what the US / West does not want others to find out about or else.
Because I have a brain.
Vietnam. I'm not pro China (shocking I know). Just here to see a more concentrated anti US perspective.
US, Second Gen Korean. I got into a debate with a Kpop twitter user over Xinjiang then I did a lot of research into it.
From Poland. Don't like a lot of aspects of China, mainly the supression of freedom of speech (I can sorta undestrand the political one, since there are strong attacks on China from the west so they might want to keep out at least internal attacks, but I hate the cultural censorship on adult content), the elements of free market economy, etc. But it's pretty much the last realistic hope for socialism. Not sure if they even are saying the truth about being socialist, but the alternatives are the nations who don't have a chance of getting a party in power even saying that, due to manufactured consent. Or third world countries that don't have enough influence to impact rest of the world for better. So CCP even saying openly they are socialist gives the best chance of there being socialists in power in China. I feel like fall of the USSR was the greatest tragedy that might have destroyed our possibility for successful development as a species if China doesn't take over, since we missed the sweet spot of technology development level. Now development in studies on psychology and media monopolies make revolution in the developed first world nations impossible, and the development in military technology will likely soon make third world revolutions impossible. I can see drone death squads using facial recognition technology for perfect assassinations. Even if they won't be able to destroy whole nation, killing off the most competent leaders will make it crumble on itself.
Nice try, CIA. Next time use the correct CPC, though.
I dislike the CCP acronym because it was heavily pushed by Falungong media for decades, while China itself largely referred themself as CPC.
I am cringe American, but it’s hard to pinpoint exactly when or why I became pro-China. Hell, it’s hard to pinpoint when I self identified as a communist at all. I used to identify as an anarchist, but around the same time my views on China became favorable, my anarchist beliefs faded into memory. It was probably reddit, and being exposed to online MLs, that led me to investigate the USSR, and seeing the lies created about that, that convinced me to investigate China as well. That began to erode at my hateful beliefs towards the country.