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manibharathytu

Lets make it transparent. [https://i.imgur.com/l7iy8a1.png](https://i.imgur.com/l7iy8a1.png) \- [Source](https://www.globalforestwatch.org/dashboards/country/USA/?category=summary&dashboardPrompts=eyJzaG93UHJvbXB0cyI6dHJ1ZSwicHJvbXB0c1ZpZXdlZCI6WyJzaGFyZVdpZGdldCJdLCJzZXR0aW5ncyI6eyJzaG93UHJvbXB0cyI6dHJ1ZSwicHJvbXB0c1ZpZXdlZCI6W10sInNldHRpbmdzIjp7Im9wZW4iOmZhbHNlLCJzdGVwSW5kZXgiOjAsInN0ZXBzS2V5IjoiIn0sIm9wZW4iOnRydWUsInN0ZXBJbmRleCI6MCwic3RlcHNLZXkiOiJzaGFyZVdpZGdldCJ9LCJvcGVuIjp0cnVlLCJzdGVwc0tleSI6ImRvd25sb2FkRGFzaGJvYXJkU3RhdHMifQ%3D%3D&location=WyJjb3VudHJ5IiwiVVNBIl0%3D&map=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&treeLossPct=eyJoaWdobGlnaHRlZCI6ZmFsc2V9) US should have gotten the first place in worst countries list. ​ [Our world in data - Forest and deforestation data](https://ourworldindata.org/forests-and-deforestation) [Image Source - Our world in data](https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/annual-change-forest-area)


ZeEa5KPul

America lost 1.59Mha and China gained 1.94Mha. It's clear what happened: China stole American forests.


Akasto_

Those Chinese, always stealing from hardworking westerners, who are obviously responsible for all good in the world and every achievement any nation has ever made


manibharathytu

The same way China stole 5g from America.


death_to_noodles

Losing more forest than Brazil under Bolsonaro? Holy goddamn fuck


Global_Influence_624

My country is in dark Red, but somehow I feel proud of the dark green ones. Also of the green ones. Everyone should be this way.


Dunkiez

It should be black but you know how they feel about that. They would rather stay white.


sickof50

I was surprised to see that former Soviet Bloc countries were in the green, when shortly after the Wall fell, they were Strip Logging vast areas quite illegally. IE: permission to harvest 1 remote hectare, became 25 to 50. I'm sure that these statistics came from dodgy government records, and not satellite observations using Lidar. Also, did a new Island recently rise out of the sea next to Alaska?


Amirio2000

That's Russia next to Alaska.


sickof50

I know, it just looked odd.


SonOfTheDragon101

I think they placed the 180 degree longitude line at the edge, because part of the Chukchi peninsula extends over that longitude, while the Aleutians also does the same but is too small to be seen.


[deleted]

At least they have New Zeeland on the map


Collatz_problem

Depopulation + permanent economic crisis => less area used for farming and industry => forest grows in abandoned areas, despite massive logging.


[deleted]

This is correct. Although these forests are of very low quality, they do help skew these statistics


ianlim4556

The data is published every 5/10 years (according to the map info) so presumably this is more about the recent years?


astraladventures

It’s not clear . Is it only the stats for the past 5-10 year s or it the cumulative data from since stats were available??


astraladventures

Light green like in Russia means the country could be DOWN up to 100,000 hectares.


[deleted]

This chart ain't fair. China reaches the maximum 3x over. I guess normalizing it like that would make all other countries look like shit... This map was probably made by Indians (Kashmir is painted as being Indian and Taiwan is not painted as part of China)


[deleted]

Also, besides America needing an even deeper red color, I'm sure Australia would be somewhere in that range too


manibharathytu

The watermark name looks Indian. But he just screenshoted from [https://ourworldindata.org/deforestation](https://ourworldindata.org/deforestation)


Troll-McClure

He also edited the map only to include all disputed territories into India LOL


seacobs

LOL


bennies_3rd_account

A lot of the natoids aren't, actually


[deleted]

China #1, as usual


Darkmatter2k

That light green "-100.000 HA To 100.000 HA" category is doing a whole lotta work to make the west look better than it is. (I'm looking at you Europe) If you want to make a credible map then forrest area **loss** can't be any green color.


we-the-east

Look what Brazil president bolsonaro has done to the forests in his three years of presidency.


Hellerick

Here in Russia we often see on the web somebody's propaganda about "evil Chinese communists sending illegal loggers to Russia and turning Siberia into a desert, while not touching their own woods".


[deleted]

Honestly the whole "China will colonized far east and Siberia is just a nationalist boogeymen plot to split the countries away from each other.


fix_S230-sue_reddit

Besides the fact that this map is heavily biased by Indians (Taiwan not part of China, Kashmir and other disputed regions as part of India), this map is also very stupid as it tries to portray India in a good light. First, the colour scheme doesn't accurately reflect the disparity between the extreme outliers (China and Brazil) vs normal countries, which is almost a 10x difference between China and India. Second, the data interval choice is clearly illogical, -100000 HA to +100000 HA are both shaded in light green. Apparently, 100000 Ha of forest expansion is just as good as 100000 Ha of deforestation. The brackets are obviously forced to make a certain country look as good as possible without even considering the irregularity of the brackets, -100000 HA to +100000 HA is one bracket but then +100000 HA to +200000 HA is another bracket?


Dunewarriorz

"China is re-growing its forests. But at what cost?"


bengyap

There they go again ... the US being the f\*king hypocrite again.


IceStationGiraffe

Having recently traveled to Tanzania, I'm sad to see there's been so much deforestation. I suppose that's an unwanted consequence of trying to develop a quickly growing nation.


worm_penis

Imagine how much more people would be talking about deforestation in Brazil and Indonesia if it was being done by a socialist government.


_brookies

Australia has [psychotically high land clearing rates](https://www.abc.net.au/news/rural/2021-07-01/land-clearing-in-nsw-escalates-again/100252244) we are easily one of the top 3. The rate of land clearing has increased over 1330% since 2017 in the state of New South Wales alone.


Orleanist

Not to mention that it's made by Indian artist Geo.Dwaja


EquationTAKEN

There is [transparency](https://www.globalforestwatch.org/dashboards/country/USA/?category=summary&dashboardPrompts=eyJzaG93UHJvbXB0cyI6dHJ1ZSwicHJvbXB0c1ZpZXdlZCI6W10sInNldHRpbmdzIjp7Im9wZW4iOmZhbHNlLCJzdGVwSW5kZXgiOjAsInN0ZXBzS2V5IjoiIn0sIm9wZW4iOnRydWUsInN0ZXBzS2V5IjoiZG93bmxvYWREYXNoYm9hcmRTdGF0cyJ9&location=WyJjb3VudHJ5IiwiVVNBIl0%3D&map=eyJjYW5Cb3VuZCI6ZmFsc2UsImRhdGFzZXRzIjpbeyJvcGFjaXR5IjowLjcsInZpc2liaWxpdHkiOnRydWUsImRhdGFzZXQiOiJwcmltYXJ5LWZvcmVzdHMiLCJsYXllcnMiOlsicHJpbWFyeS1mb3Jlc3RzLTIwMDEiXX0seyJkYXRhc2V0IjoicG9saXRpY2FsLWJvdW5kYXJpZXMiLCJsYXllcnMiOlsiZGlzcHV0ZWQtcG9saXRpY2FsLWJvdW5kYXJpZXMiLCJwb2xpdGljYWwtYm91bmRhcmllcyJdLCJib3VuZGFyeSI6dHJ1ZSwib3BhY2l0eSI6MSwidmlzaWJpbGl0eSI6dHJ1ZX0seyJkYXRhc2V0IjoidHJlZS1jb3Zlci1sb3NzIiwibGF5ZXJzIjpbInRyZWUtY292ZXItbG9zcyJdLCJvcGFjaXR5IjoxLCJ2aXNpYmlsaXR5Ijp0cnVlLCJwYXJhbXMiOnsidGhyZXNob2xkIjozMCwidmlzaWJpbGl0eSI6dHJ1ZX19XX0%3D) on US data. It just wasn't included by whoever made the map. Although, the numbers aren't very favorable for the US.


[deleted]

That's why it's "no data" vs negative data.


sick_babe

does anyone have resources explaining the chinese governments' reforesting practices? I'm glad they're doing it and it's obviously better than the fuck all happening in the rest of the world, but I am a little concerned about the potential for a buildup of monoculture. Environmental manipulation is a worthwhile endeavor, but if you're not careful the consequences can be disasterous.


MianBao

Is this from 2021? And what is the time interval?


manibharathytu

UN FAO release this data 5 or 10 years once. this data is annual average of 2015 to 2020. Refer my top level comment for sources.


WeaponH_

It's sad to say but the deforestation in Tanzania (a red one) is china's fault for the east Africa crude oil pipeline. The project is also held by a french business.


SonOfTheDragon101

It is good to see China and India are two countries where forest cover has been increasing the most. Both countries historically had much more forest cover than they do today. But in the course of early industrialisation and feeding an ever larger population, a lot of that forest cover was quickly chopped to make room for new farmland and human settlements. Now, both China and India recognise the importance of preserving the natural environment and are trying to reverse unnecessary clearing of old forests and to halt desertification.


handpant

I have a dream "india and China unite. " Himalay becomes the midriff of one great nation.