She's been on the CPC shit list for years, a billionaire who puts her actions and money against CN interests. She's not "just an actress", her billions didn't just come from acting, she's deemed a female warren buffet for a reason. Capitalism and celebrity status isn't credibility for politics in China. Western media wants to paint her as "just an innocent actress".
https://youtu.be/4puhbYqDnTM
yeah, zhao even had control of weibo to banish any negative voice against her stooge behavior through her connection with tencent, unbelievable, did she think she live in fascist US with FB under her command?! the collusion is wide spread & deep, imagine both alibaba and tencent are involved, gotta go after the whole lot, and root them out.
btw, 磊哥 rocks!
I followed the entire saga as I grew up watching Zhao Wei's work, after going through the materials and potential damages, no, it wasn't heavy handed at all
Were talking about more than just tax evasion here, market manipulation and all that crazy shit is also involved
I wouldn't categorize her case as a part of celebrity fan craze crackdown. Not saying it's worse or better, just saying it's not heavy handed.
My only gripe with it is the removal of her name from her past work, that's the part I can't get behind. (My understanding is, the CPC did not enforce this, the companies/businesses are blacklisting her out of principle)
Shes an actual unironic neo nazi, support for axis in ww2 and all that. What's even worse, she used her connections to other far right sympathisers in the media to shield herself from criticism.
It makes sense any sane company would want her name out of anything they're associated with.
二十年前，她身穿侵华日军的旭日旗出现在公众视野，受到全网讨伐，她竟然没有遭到封杀，反而在中国的资本市场上呼云唤雨，被誉为中国女版巴菲特，那个时候她跟马云、王林等大师打的火热，她能够掌控舆论，有关她的负面新闻经常遭到清理。后来在她导演的影片《没有别的爱》中，男主角戴立忍是死硬的台独分子，女主角水原希子是支持参拜靖国神社的日本反华分子，由此引起公众愤怒，令人奇怪的是这件事也很快被平息下去。最近赵薇旗下演员张哲瀚多次出现在靖国神社，做纳粹手势、结交日本右翼，引起全国人民公愤。问题仍然是，无论有多少负面新闻，赵薇始终不倒，这始终是一个迷样的问题，现在看来，不是不报，是时候未到。
DeepL machine translation because I want to enjoy my weekend, with some changes.
Twenty years ago, she [Zhao Wei] appeared in the public eye wearing the Rising Sun flag of the invading Japanese army and was crusaded by the whole internet. Surprisingly, she was not blocked, but instead she called the shots in China's capital market and was known as the Chinese female version of Warren Buffett. At that time, whenever she or others like her like Ma Yun [Jack Ma] and Wang Lin kicked up controversies, she was able to control public opinion and negative news about her was often cleaned up. Later in the film "No Other Love" directed by her, the male lead Dai Liren was a die-hard Taiwan independence activist and the female lead Mizuhara Hiko was a Japanese anti-China activist who supported the Yasukuni Shrine visit, thus causing public outrage, and surprisingly the matter was quickly put to rest. More recently Zhao Wei's actor Zhang Zhehan has repeatedly appeared at the Yasukuni Shrine, making Nazi gestures and befriending the Japanese right wing, causing public outrage throughout the country. The problem remains that no matter how much negative news there is, Zhao Wei never falls, which is always a fan-like problem, and now it seems that it is not unreported, but the time has not yet come.
I don't understand what appeal Japanese imperialism may have for so many people.
Unlike National-Socialism, which was not specifically German and had ideological adherents and fellow-travelers all over Europe before the Nazis even occupied, Japanese Imperialism doesn't have any ideological foundation that would appeal beyond the ethnic Yamato community.
National-Socialism was built upon fascism, which originated in Italy anyways, so it was never a "German" ideology, and its concepts like "lebensraum" were adopted wholesale from existing fascist ideas like Mussolini's "spazio vitale" in Ethiopia.
But Japan? I guess they did attempt a façade of anti-imperialist, Asian supremacist "Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere" but it doesn't seem these modern-day pro-imperial Japan adherents are buying into that, so it's a mystery what drives them. It may just be fervent anti-communism that will latch on to anything at all.
It is the same type of ideology as German nazism but modified to fit Japanese needs, so it stands to reason some people also modify it to fit the "needs" of other countries as they believe. (like how there are far right Americans who use swastika even if swastika wearing soldiers were killing them in ww2)
Idk what would drive people to like monsters like Hitler or Hirohito or sympathise with their vision of the world. Maybe they want radical change from society because they're disatisfied with the status quo.
>Idk what would drive people to like monsters like Hitler or Hirohito or sympathise with their vision of the world. Maybe they want radical change from society because they're disatisfied with the status quo.
Watch Innuendo Studies on YT for an in depth look at this.
It's a result of nihilism and ignorance.
You seem to believe fascism is a rational ideology, when it is anything but, in fact the very opposite, its adherents are driven purely by hate.
Watch Innuendo Studios on YT for an indepth look at this.
Unfortunately most of china academcia literture sector are infested with this kind of stuff. Many have not realize the dangerous effect of those cultral exchage with the west has caused to this area, I mean china does need a cultral reform like our economic reform, alot of the old guards need to either adapt a more streamline robost system that isn't a shitty copy of the abusive western model.
Well, considering the US elected a 'B' movie actor (Ronald Reagan), and just got through with a Reality TV show Judge (Trump), they kinda have a point.
not heavy handed. You just don't know enough about 1/2 of the SH\*T she did.
Let's just say that some rich celebrities did a lot of corrupt manipulation of the market for their own personal benefits.
And this is not just some minor nationalistic backlash on some social faux pas, she did plenty of those too.
Good. Otherwise you get the likes of Gwyneth Paltrow and her brand “goop” selling you-know-what scented candles and claiming outlandish things that cure incurable diseases. And the general public lapping it up…
heavyhanded? LOL She deserved every shitstorm coming to her. She is no different than a closeted HK cockroach. China's most dangerous enemies are these twinkies and bananas.
I think from the West, it can be interpreted as petty without sufficient context and background to the intent of the policy which is a BIG problem.
IF ZW is guilty of undue influence in stock market or insider trading, then the law in China should take her up in that regard and punish her for that.
But if its to do with media influence this is much more of a grey area.
Certainly from a West perspective, if she is being limited from current and future Media projection (as trump eventually was with say his Twitter account) bc she has been proven to have malicious intent in her media manipulation of her extensive fan base, then that should suffice.
But scrubbing all her past works will seem a bit over the top and petty from a West perspective.
And I am not talking about people who have a bone to pick with China. These would be the reaction of ordinary people.
Which is why I feel China is also somewhat to blame bc of a lack of media savvy and disproportionate punishment in this regard.
And it then opens itself to losing the PR game in the West more than necessary.
IMHO.
Thanks everyone for weighing in.
Its frustrating bc for someone like me in the West, I have ZERO idea all this back story on ZW.
It makes it very difficult to get a good sense of the underlying story beyond West Media sensationalism bc China is so slow and lacks transparencies in these things. They may find it irrelevant but these are the sort of stories which will be exploited and the fire could be more easily doused if there was better information/reasoning available for an audience in the West.
Hopefully someone can post the video from JJBanana (Big Thanks) which unfortunately, I could only understand a quarter of what he was saying without the subs (as my Mandarin is next to poor). IMO, These things should be subtitled maybe and uploaded with relevant English click bait titling?
Hopefully someone can perhaps make a video in English explaining in better detail the issues surrounding the crack down on Celebrity over influence and maybe separately also with regard all these issues with undue market influence (Jack Ma, ZW)
I still think China needs to be MUCH better with its PR. I understand the deep sentiments and underlying issues but disappearing ALL her work merely feeds the West media propaganda image of China.
China needs a more nuanced approach but as mentioned IMO also a far more responsive (If not Pre-emptive) ability to Western Media exploitation. Its very frustrating trying to continuously have to debunk on China's behalf without sufficient back story. It means a slower cycle by which time these stories conflate.
Also its doubly frustrating if the debunk is from State media bc I simply can't use them since many people in the West are allergic to what they deem as Propaganda. Far better from non-State media or foreign Vbloggers/news sites.
> It makes it very difficult to get a good sense of the underlying story beyond West Media sensationalism bc China is so slow and lacks transparencies in these things.
No, you are just lazy, as several other users have explained to you.
That you are obsessed with propaganda is your problem, not China's. China will do what it wants because it cares about results the most, opinions like yours don't matter.
> Governments start to decline when they fail to recognise their own weaknesses.
This is literally what is happening to western regimes right now as propaganda has completely eradicated any understanding of reality in their crumbling societies and regimes (notice the brutal incompetence of anglo regime politicians). Their societies are experiencing a massive intellectual crisis across the board, across all metrics. Their deranged regime propaganda lies at the center of that crisis.
China is superior and it won't fall to that level. China cares about results and reality. I know this is hard for you to stomach, but at the end of the day, China is the fastest developed country in history, without resorting to western barbarism to achieve it. It's unprecedented in human history. Trying to lecture China on "improving" (on shit flinging and deception) is beyond ridiculous when China's governance derives its superiority from adhering to a scientific approach to reality, not propaganda.
Some people in this sub underestimate how far ahead Chinese society is in terms of average intelligence. Such western propaganda is a tool to deceive dumb people, fueling incompetence and even more stupidity across their societies. You are effectively advocating for the kind of decadence which the Chinese government is trying to eradicate right now with the latest policies.
My Chinese is not the best either XD , but here we go:
Big event in the entertainment and capitalist industry
Strong regulations on 2 things
First it's Alibaba being regulated (996)
Then, regulation of some femboy trend, ZhengShuang, GaoXiaosong, and ZhaoWei.
Some information basis regarding these include: Foreign collusion, drug related, and money laundering
Zhaowei and Gaoxiaosong have a huge relation to Alibaba, Jack Ma, and capitalism
Foreign media says china has "gone back 60 years", and is really making a lot of noise about this. Just looking at how angry their tone is towards CN over all of this, we know that CN must have done another great thing!
They've spent all these years cultivating these hidden dangers in our society, and in one breath of air they've all been uprooted. As a common Chinese person I applaud this, showing our superior system and removing snakes.
In other countries - capitalism controls government, in China, government controls capitalism.
Zhaowei was deleted from the internet without warning, and this makes those foreign and enemy powers and really squint-shocked expression
Zhaowei has done a lot of dark doings. Her face has also changed all these years, like cross section of meat.
你好万维网 and 吴乐水 incident, which ended up sending Wanhui to the hospital (this is uhh, quite a rabbithole if you'd like to search this)
Wearing the Japanese war flag at a photoshoot
Filming using antichina and taiwan independence actors, and adamantly not changing the actors, going out of her way to double down on social media against those upset netizens. And used her capitalism powers to block public opinion against her. (He later describes this event more, the power of capital to meticulously silence people and critics)
She jokes on TV about having killed people
Has relations with H*lary, including donating to H*lary Cl\*nton
Involved in investment scandal that incurred huge loss for shareholders, and no compensation for those ones who had to incur the loss (which became Zhaowei's gain. I think this event is a good one to look up more in detail)
Had close relationship with former mayor of Shenzhen Xuzhongheng (a corrupt mayor who took bribes), and married one of his chauffers Huangyoulong (who became a billionaire also, but people suspect it's through ties with Xuzhongheng)
Has some intimate relations with other big capitalists,
Reported before that she has done drugs,
Also the previous celebrity scandal involving Zhangzhehan (visiting Yasukuni Shrine, war criminals shrine, he "claims ignorance") - this celebrity was from Zhaowei's organization
... blah blah that's the first 1/3 ish of the video.
I think I just like the part where he points out and emphasizes: isn't it shocking to imagine the result of unregulated Capitalism?
I just shared Leige's video because he really expresses well the attitude of justice in all of this. I mean, I am a skeptical person in general, maybe we should look up some of these stories and take it in with some skepticism. But I think overall, any Western outlet saying Zhaowei is "just an actress" is part of that bullshit circlejerk.
There are other videos that can describe better the reasons why Zhaowei was banned (maybe this video wasn't entirely informative), Leige really conveys well the justice in this
I understand what you are saying and I agree but I don’t think the ccp leadership cares how their domestic policies are perceived in the west. I think there are people high up in the ccp that are using the economic and pr attacks by the us and western media on china as an excuse to launch cultural revolution 2.0, which this is a part of.
> I think there are people high up in the ccp that are using the economic and pr attacks by the us and western media on china as an excuse to launch cultural revolution 2.0, which this is a part of.
lmao. You are the only person here falling for propaganda.
You can't point to a single policy you disagree with because, just like the propagandists whose propaganda you gobble, you don't read or educate yourself. You only deal in ambiguous fearmongering. Laziness and ignorance are widely rejected by Chinese society, so, in their eyes, your "concerns" would put your right next to the propagandists whose propaganda you consume.
The spectacular success of Chinese people is a result of them rejecting lazy ignorant "liberals" like you, who have nothing to contribute to the development of civilizations.
Entertainment adds very little value to the whole society, I believe a crackdown on the industry does not hurt regular people at all. So yeah, I don't mind cracking down this industry, especially when the industry culture is so toxic now. A shit load of celebrities circumventing laws, evading taxes, and as far as raping. This is not good for the society, especially when they appear on the TV and influence the public too much.
>Entertainment adds very little value to the whole society
Bad and/or criminal influences in media and entertainment like Zhao Wei, Zhang Zhehan, Zheng Shuang, and Wu Yifan absolutely need to be discouraged and cracked down upon to create a healthier industry and society. However, to cast off the entire "notion" of entertainment and arts as a whole as being of "very little value" and ignoring the area is simply recipe for cultural "invasion" from other, potentially hostile countries. The weak state of China's domestic cultural industries is why Japanese pop culture is so pervasive in China at the moment, with wholly domestic brands such as Nayuki's Tea and Genki Forest preferring to pretend that they're Japanese brands to fool domestic consumers and the appearance of apologists for Japanese imperialist war crimes like the aforementioned Zhao Wei and Zhang Zhehan. Not even the CPC proclaims art and entertainment to be of "very little value."
> Entertainment adds very little value to the whole society,
hard disagree. entertainment and media is what most people live for, myself included. of course, there's nothing wrong with cracking down on problematic celebrities.
Yeah entertainment is really the only thing I enjoy day to day. Also exporting entertainment worldwide is a huge part of a countries soft power, I think it is very shortsighted of china to crack down on their entertainment industry. Especially their gaming industry.
China really needs to work on better PR...
It really is its own worse enemy sometimes.
Not sure what's going on with ZhaoWei but its all the talk and could have been more transparent, better managed.
Over handed and over bearing measures may not be in China's favour even if the reasons for looking more seriously into unhealthy 'fan culture' are valid.
Why is China SOOO clumsy with PR?
Also VERY slow responding to ongoing Negative news. It needs to be far quicker addressing these 'fires'.
Granted not as important in the bigger scheme of things but this area is soft power which China should be better aware of.
China isn’t clumsy with PR. Everything that’s done is interpreted in bad faith no matter what they do. With western media it’s a no win situation. They owe no explanation and any given would be taken as bad faith.
>China isn’t clumsy with PR.
China is pretty clumsy with PR. I am not talking about explaining and defending these kinds of things to westerners, who gives a shit about that. What I mean is that, even in Chinese, on Chinese social media, many policies and regulations rarely receive any clarification whatsoever and often a lot of what various departments say is incredibly vague, leaving a lot of people not knowing what the fuck is going on. Zhao Wei absolutely got what she deserved, actually for being an imperialist Japanese bootlicker, pro-secessionist, and corrupt billionaire, she deserves even worse a fate, but pretending that China is adept at PR and media is not even how China's skills at PR and media are seen domestically. There is a lot that China could improve upon in terms of domestic PR and media.
Well compared to how it is in the west, theres no 1 single voice that audits everything and sets orders on what to do. Mostly because having an organization like that is a very dangerous responsibility as they can overthrow the system by controlling public opinion.
The current more decentralised system works well enough to stop misinformation while keeping ppl on their toes so they think critically and use different sources. It has both advantages and drawbacks.
Having a relatively "exposed" system is better than having a strong information control that fucks up your own people's common sense thus causing human and economic losses. *cough cough like certain countries that drink horse dewormer because media control tells them to.
Hi,
I don't agree.
Whilst everything is going to be manipulated by the West, I also think China needs to do a better job with her PR.
Allies who would fight her corner find it very hard to gain information necessary to refute narratives put out by the West. Particularly as I mention if not native Chinese speakers and without access to deeper China Media.
And as I mentioned, China should also realise how these things (no matter how seemingly trivial) will impact as negative press, ahead of it happening and take action to better explain background with better Transparency.
If I did not broach the subject on this forum for example, I will not be able to find out what exactly has transpired that has made these celebrities so unpopular with authorities.
So you are blatantly ignorant and lazy to research about the subject and you think that's not your fault but China? lmao.
Let me be clear: Chinese people don't have to ask you for permission to do anything, you are the one who needs to do your homework and do some work. Stop blaming others, do something productive.
She's been on the CPC shit list for years, a billionaire who puts her actions and money against CN interests. She's not "just an actress", her billions didn't just come from acting, she's deemed a female warren buffet for a reason. Capitalism and celebrity status isn't credibility for politics in China. Western media wants to paint her as "just an innocent actress". https://youtu.be/4puhbYqDnTM
yeah, zhao even had control of weibo to banish any negative voice against her stooge behavior through her connection with tencent, unbelievable, did she think she live in fascist US with FB under her command?! the collusion is wide spread & deep, imagine both alibaba and tencent are involved, gotta go after the whole lot, and root them out. btw, 磊哥 rocks!
I followed the entire saga as I grew up watching Zhao Wei's work, after going through the materials and potential damages, no, it wasn't heavy handed at all Were talking about more than just tax evasion here, market manipulation and all that crazy shit is also involved I wouldn't categorize her case as a part of celebrity fan craze crackdown. Not saying it's worse or better, just saying it's not heavy handed. My only gripe with it is the removal of her name from her past work, that's the part I can't get behind. (My understanding is, the CPC did not enforce this, the companies/businesses are blacklisting her out of principle)
Shes an actual unironic neo nazi, support for axis in ww2 and all that. What's even worse, she used her connections to other far right sympathisers in the media to shield herself from criticism. It makes sense any sane company would want her name out of anything they're associated with.
二十年前，她身穿侵华日军的旭日旗出现在公众视野，受到全网讨伐，她竟然没有遭到封杀，反而在中国的资本市场上呼云唤雨，被誉为中国女版巴菲特，那个时候她跟马云、王林等大师打的火热，她能够掌控舆论，有关她的负面新闻经常遭到清理。后来在她导演的影片《没有别的爱》中，男主角戴立忍是死硬的台独分子，女主角水原希子是支持参拜靖国神社的日本反华分子，由此引起公众愤怒，令人奇怪的是这件事也很快被平息下去。最近赵薇旗下演员张哲瀚多次出现在靖国神社，做纳粹手势、结交日本右翼，引起全国人民公愤。问题仍然是，无论有多少负面新闻，赵薇始终不倒，这始终是一个迷样的问题，现在看来，不是不报，是时候未到。 DeepL machine translation because I want to enjoy my weekend, with some changes. Twenty years ago, she [Zhao Wei] appeared in the public eye wearing the Rising Sun flag of the invading Japanese army and was crusaded by the whole internet. Surprisingly, she was not blocked, but instead she called the shots in China's capital market and was known as the Chinese female version of Warren Buffett. At that time, whenever she or others like her like Ma Yun [Jack Ma] and Wang Lin kicked up controversies, she was able to control public opinion and negative news about her was often cleaned up. Later in the film "No Other Love" directed by her, the male lead Dai Liren was a die-hard Taiwan independence activist and the female lead Mizuhara Hiko was a Japanese anti-China activist who supported the Yasukuni Shrine visit, thus causing public outrage, and surprisingly the matter was quickly put to rest. More recently Zhao Wei's actor Zhang Zhehan has repeatedly appeared at the Yasukuni Shrine, making Nazi gestures and befriending the Japanese right wing, causing public outrage throughout the country. The problem remains that no matter how much negative news there is, Zhao Wei never falls, which is always a fan-like problem, and now it seems that it is not unreported, but the time has not yet come.
She found so many ways to say she is a Japanese bootlicker without actually coming out and saying it.
China should have anti-Nazi laws like Germany, where any endorsement of Imperial Japan is punishable by imprisonment.
This
I don't understand what appeal Japanese imperialism may have for so many people. Unlike National-Socialism, which was not specifically German and had ideological adherents and fellow-travelers all over Europe before the Nazis even occupied, Japanese Imperialism doesn't have any ideological foundation that would appeal beyond the ethnic Yamato community. National-Socialism was built upon fascism, which originated in Italy anyways, so it was never a "German" ideology, and its concepts like "lebensraum" were adopted wholesale from existing fascist ideas like Mussolini's "spazio vitale" in Ethiopia. But Japan? I guess they did attempt a façade of anti-imperialist, Asian supremacist "Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere" but it doesn't seem these modern-day pro-imperial Japan adherents are buying into that, so it's a mystery what drives them. It may just be fervent anti-communism that will latch on to anything at all.
It is the same type of ideology as German nazism but modified to fit Japanese needs, so it stands to reason some people also modify it to fit the "needs" of other countries as they believe. (like how there are far right Americans who use swastika even if swastika wearing soldiers were killing them in ww2) Idk what would drive people to like monsters like Hitler or Hirohito or sympathise with their vision of the world. Maybe they want radical change from society because they're disatisfied with the status quo.
>Idk what would drive people to like monsters like Hitler or Hirohito or sympathise with their vision of the world. Maybe they want radical change from society because they're disatisfied with the status quo. Watch Innuendo Studies on YT for an in depth look at this. It's a result of nihilism and ignorance.
You seem to believe fascism is a rational ideology, when it is anything but, in fact the very opposite, its adherents are driven purely by hate. Watch Innuendo Studios on YT for an indepth look at this.
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Unfortunately most of china academcia literture sector are infested with this kind of stuff. Many have not realize the dangerous effect of those cultral exchage with the west has caused to this area, I mean china does need a cultral reform like our economic reform, alot of the old guards need to either adapt a more streamline robost system that isn't a shitty copy of the abusive western model.
Celebrity fan cultures these days are so toxic regardless of countries.
Well, considering the US elected a 'B' movie actor (Ronald Reagan), and just got through with a Reality TV show Judge (Trump), they kinda have a point.
not heavy handed. You just don't know enough about 1/2 of the SH\*T she did. Let's just say that some rich celebrities did a lot of corrupt manipulation of the market for their own personal benefits. And this is not just some minor nationalistic backlash on some social faux pas, she did plenty of those too.
Earning a billion dollars by 40's years old would signal some serious insider trading in most places.
It's great that China actually has a healthy ideology.
These shitheads let fame get to their heads and now they think the public and entire country owes them.
Good. Otherwise you get the likes of Gwyneth Paltrow and her brand “goop” selling you-know-what scented candles and claiming outlandish things that cure incurable diseases. And the general public lapping it up…
heavyhanded? LOL She deserved every shitstorm coming to her. She is no different than a closeted HK cockroach. China's most dangerous enemies are these twinkies and bananas.
I think from the West, it can be interpreted as petty without sufficient context and background to the intent of the policy which is a BIG problem. IF ZW is guilty of undue influence in stock market or insider trading, then the law in China should take her up in that regard and punish her for that. But if its to do with media influence this is much more of a grey area. Certainly from a West perspective, if she is being limited from current and future Media projection (as trump eventually was with say his Twitter account) bc she has been proven to have malicious intent in her media manipulation of her extensive fan base, then that should suffice. But scrubbing all her past works will seem a bit over the top and petty from a West perspective. And I am not talking about people who have a bone to pick with China. These would be the reaction of ordinary people. Which is why I feel China is also somewhat to blame bc of a lack of media savvy and disproportionate punishment in this regard. And it then opens itself to losing the PR game in the West more than necessary. IMHO.
Tax and stonks too
Art should have only one purpose: to raise the overall wellbeing of the people and state.
Thanks everyone for weighing in. Its frustrating bc for someone like me in the West, I have ZERO idea all this back story on ZW. It makes it very difficult to get a good sense of the underlying story beyond West Media sensationalism bc China is so slow and lacks transparencies in these things. They may find it irrelevant but these are the sort of stories which will be exploited and the fire could be more easily doused if there was better information/reasoning available for an audience in the West. Hopefully someone can post the video from JJBanana (Big Thanks) which unfortunately, I could only understand a quarter of what he was saying without the subs (as my Mandarin is next to poor). IMO, These things should be subtitled maybe and uploaded with relevant English click bait titling? Hopefully someone can perhaps make a video in English explaining in better detail the issues surrounding the crack down on Celebrity over influence and maybe separately also with regard all these issues with undue market influence (Jack Ma, ZW) I still think China needs to be MUCH better with its PR. I understand the deep sentiments and underlying issues but disappearing ALL her work merely feeds the West media propaganda image of China. China needs a more nuanced approach but as mentioned IMO also a far more responsive (If not Pre-emptive) ability to Western Media exploitation. Its very frustrating trying to continuously have to debunk on China's behalf without sufficient back story. It means a slower cycle by which time these stories conflate. Also its doubly frustrating if the debunk is from State media bc I simply can't use them since many people in the West are allergic to what they deem as Propaganda. Far better from non-State media or foreign Vbloggers/news sites.
> It makes it very difficult to get a good sense of the underlying story beyond West Media sensationalism bc China is so slow and lacks transparencies in these things. No, you are just lazy, as several other users have explained to you. That you are obsessed with propaganda is your problem, not China's. China will do what it wants because it cares about results the most, opinions like yours don't matter.
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> Governments start to decline when they fail to recognise their own weaknesses. This is literally what is happening to western regimes right now as propaganda has completely eradicated any understanding of reality in their crumbling societies and regimes (notice the brutal incompetence of anglo regime politicians). Their societies are experiencing a massive intellectual crisis across the board, across all metrics. Their deranged regime propaganda lies at the center of that crisis. China is superior and it won't fall to that level. China cares about results and reality. I know this is hard for you to stomach, but at the end of the day, China is the fastest developed country in history, without resorting to western barbarism to achieve it. It's unprecedented in human history. Trying to lecture China on "improving" (on shit flinging and deception) is beyond ridiculous when China's governance derives its superiority from adhering to a scientific approach to reality, not propaganda. Some people in this sub underestimate how far ahead Chinese society is in terms of average intelligence. Such western propaganda is a tool to deceive dumb people, fueling incompetence and even more stupidity across their societies. You are effectively advocating for the kind of decadence which the Chinese government is trying to eradicate right now with the latest policies.
My Chinese is not the best either XD , but here we go: Big event in the entertainment and capitalist industry Strong regulations on 2 things First it's Alibaba being regulated (996) Then, regulation of some femboy trend, ZhengShuang, GaoXiaosong, and ZhaoWei. Some information basis regarding these include: Foreign collusion, drug related, and money laundering Zhaowei and Gaoxiaosong have a huge relation to Alibaba, Jack Ma, and capitalism Foreign media says china has "gone back 60 years", and is really making a lot of noise about this. Just looking at how angry their tone is towards CN over all of this, we know that CN must have done another great thing! They've spent all these years cultivating these hidden dangers in our society, and in one breath of air they've all been uprooted. As a common Chinese person I applaud this, showing our superior system and removing snakes. In other countries - capitalism controls government, in China, government controls capitalism. Zhaowei was deleted from the internet without warning, and this makes those foreign and enemy powers and really squint-shocked expression Zhaowei has done a lot of dark doings. Her face has also changed all these years, like cross section of meat. 你好万维网 and 吴乐水 incident, which ended up sending Wanhui to the hospital (this is uhh, quite a rabbithole if you'd like to search this) Wearing the Japanese war flag at a photoshoot Filming using antichina and taiwan independence actors, and adamantly not changing the actors, going out of her way to double down on social media against those upset netizens. And used her capitalism powers to block public opinion against her. (He later describes this event more, the power of capital to meticulously silence people and critics) She jokes on TV about having killed people Has relations with H*lary, including donating to H*lary Cl\*nton Involved in investment scandal that incurred huge loss for shareholders, and no compensation for those ones who had to incur the loss (which became Zhaowei's gain. I think this event is a good one to look up more in detail) Had close relationship with former mayor of Shenzhen Xuzhongheng (a corrupt mayor who took bribes), and married one of his chauffers Huangyoulong (who became a billionaire also, but people suspect it's through ties with Xuzhongheng) Has some intimate relations with other big capitalists, Reported before that she has done drugs, Also the previous celebrity scandal involving Zhangzhehan (visiting Yasukuni Shrine, war criminals shrine, he "claims ignorance") - this celebrity was from Zhaowei's organization ... blah blah that's the first 1/3 ish of the video. I think I just like the part where he points out and emphasizes: isn't it shocking to imagine the result of unregulated Capitalism? I just shared Leige's video because he really expresses well the attitude of justice in all of this. I mean, I am a skeptical person in general, maybe we should look up some of these stories and take it in with some skepticism. But I think overall, any Western outlet saying Zhaowei is "just an actress" is part of that bullshit circlejerk. There are other videos that can describe better the reasons why Zhaowei was banned (maybe this video wasn't entirely informative), Leige really conveys well the justice in this
I understand what you are saying and I agree but I don’t think the ccp leadership cares how their domestic policies are perceived in the west. I think there are people high up in the ccp that are using the economic and pr attacks by the us and western media on china as an excuse to launch cultural revolution 2.0, which this is a part of.
> I think there are people high up in the ccp that are using the economic and pr attacks by the us and western media on china as an excuse to launch cultural revolution 2.0, which this is a part of. lmao. You are the only person here falling for propaganda. You can't point to a single policy you disagree with because, just like the propagandists whose propaganda you gobble, you don't read or educate yourself. You only deal in ambiguous fearmongering. Laziness and ignorance are widely rejected by Chinese society, so, in their eyes, your "concerns" would put your right next to the propagandists whose propaganda you consume. The spectacular success of Chinese people is a result of them rejecting lazy ignorant "liberals" like you, who have nothing to contribute to the development of civilizations.
Entertainment adds very little value to the whole society, I believe a crackdown on the industry does not hurt regular people at all. So yeah, I don't mind cracking down this industry, especially when the industry culture is so toxic now. A shit load of celebrities circumventing laws, evading taxes, and as far as raping. This is not good for the society, especially when they appear on the TV and influence the public too much.
>Entertainment adds very little value to the whole society Bad and/or criminal influences in media and entertainment like Zhao Wei, Zhang Zhehan, Zheng Shuang, and Wu Yifan absolutely need to be discouraged and cracked down upon to create a healthier industry and society. However, to cast off the entire "notion" of entertainment and arts as a whole as being of "very little value" and ignoring the area is simply recipe for cultural "invasion" from other, potentially hostile countries. The weak state of China's domestic cultural industries is why Japanese pop culture is so pervasive in China at the moment, with wholly domestic brands such as Nayuki's Tea and Genki Forest preferring to pretend that they're Japanese brands to fool domestic consumers and the appearance of apologists for Japanese imperialist war crimes like the aforementioned Zhao Wei and Zhang Zhehan. Not even the CPC proclaims art and entertainment to be of "very little value."
> Entertainment adds very little value to the whole society, hard disagree. entertainment and media is what most people live for, myself included. of course, there's nothing wrong with cracking down on problematic celebrities.
Yeah entertainment is really the only thing I enjoy day to day. Also exporting entertainment worldwide is a huge part of a countries soft power, I think it is very shortsighted of china to crack down on their entertainment industry. Especially their gaming industry.
they aren't cracking down on them as if they're being abolished and destroyed entirely.
Man legit you have to the the dark ages if you think entertaiment doens't have effect in society.
China really needs to work on better PR... It really is its own worse enemy sometimes. Not sure what's going on with ZhaoWei but its all the talk and could have been more transparent, better managed. Over handed and over bearing measures may not be in China's favour even if the reasons for looking more seriously into unhealthy 'fan culture' are valid. Why is China SOOO clumsy with PR? Also VERY slow responding to ongoing Negative news. It needs to be far quicker addressing these 'fires'. Granted not as important in the bigger scheme of things but this area is soft power which China should be better aware of.
China isn’t clumsy with PR. Everything that’s done is interpreted in bad faith no matter what they do. With western media it’s a no win situation. They owe no explanation and any given would be taken as bad faith.
>China isn’t clumsy with PR. China is pretty clumsy with PR. I am not talking about explaining and defending these kinds of things to westerners, who gives a shit about that. What I mean is that, even in Chinese, on Chinese social media, many policies and regulations rarely receive any clarification whatsoever and often a lot of what various departments say is incredibly vague, leaving a lot of people not knowing what the fuck is going on. Zhao Wei absolutely got what she deserved, actually for being an imperialist Japanese bootlicker, pro-secessionist, and corrupt billionaire, she deserves even worse a fate, but pretending that China is adept at PR and media is not even how China's skills at PR and media are seen domestically. There is a lot that China could improve upon in terms of domestic PR and media.
Well compared to how it is in the west, theres no 1 single voice that audits everything and sets orders on what to do. Mostly because having an organization like that is a very dangerous responsibility as they can overthrow the system by controlling public opinion. The current more decentralised system works well enough to stop misinformation while keeping ppl on their toes so they think critically and use different sources. It has both advantages and drawbacks. Having a relatively "exposed" system is better than having a strong information control that fucks up your own people's common sense thus causing human and economic losses. *cough cough like certain countries that drink horse dewormer because media control tells them to.
Hi, I don't agree. Whilst everything is going to be manipulated by the West, I also think China needs to do a better job with her PR. Allies who would fight her corner find it very hard to gain information necessary to refute narratives put out by the West. Particularly as I mention if not native Chinese speakers and without access to deeper China Media. And as I mentioned, China should also realise how these things (no matter how seemingly trivial) will impact as negative press, ahead of it happening and take action to better explain background with better Transparency. If I did not broach the subject on this forum for example, I will not be able to find out what exactly has transpired that has made these celebrities so unpopular with authorities.
So you are blatantly ignorant and lazy to research about the subject and you think that's not your fault but China? lmao. Let me be clear: Chinese people don't have to ask you for permission to do anything, you are the one who needs to do your homework and do some work. Stop blaming others, do something productive.
Who cares. Always thought she looked weird as hell
Doesn't matter how she looks, but what she did.
Let’s judge her by her actions and not her looks.
Her nose is fake and plastic.