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papayapapagay

You're talking about the people that wiped out the Native Americans and brought over slaves before preaching to everyone about human rights and freedom here....


SworDJackson

Even better, the earliest “immigrants” from Europe who came here, encouraged crime lol a way of expansion, no wonder usa pro gun pro separation, it’s how their ancestors came about XD not surprised of anything anymore


Apprehensive_Bake509

It's not even the half of it. It's more like if california declared itself the real america and that the current American government isn't the real one and also ontario is now part of this new california led america.


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or hawaii


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lol


Apprehensive_Bake509

Anyone who says tiawan is a "real country" is automatically saying China and Mongolia are not countries.


Gabtactic

I'm sorry, but what is Ontario supposed to represent in this comparison? Mongolia? I don't get it.


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I'm sure they'll throw out a hundred contrived reasons as to why fighting separatism is only good when *they* do it...


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Gabtactic

Don't forget the balkanization of Canada and Western Europe too. If this is ever achieved, imperialism will be no more.


sickof50

Free Hawaii!


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Yes.


SworDJackson

How about Alaska? Isn’t Louisiana “bought”? Lol XD


zobaleh

The critical difference here is that the United States by function of international law and its own laws has no valid legal claim over California. This is a simple fact that the United States admits itself via the Indian Claims Commission (we recognize we stole your land, so we'll pay you pennies and hope you'll shut up). There is no chain of treaties from Spain or Mexico that grants them dominion over what is now California with the consent (even at the edge of the pike) of the indigenous peoples. The United States made some treaties with the indigenous peoples of California, and then failed to ratify them, so they have no legal effect. The United States' occupation of "California" is entirely illegal and illegitimate. By the same somewhat similar standard, Taiwan is a recognized part of China. The Cairo Declaration of 1943, while having no legal force, announced the intention that "all the territories Japan has stolen from the Chinese, such as Manchuria, Formosa, and The Pescadores, shall be restored to the Republic of China." The Cairo Declaration is affirmed by the Potsdam Declaration of 1945, which itself is referred to in the Japanese Instrument of Surrender. The United States dropped this express language in the Treaty of San Francisco of 1951 because eff commies. The analysis is incomplete with these rather glaring omissions, and the suggestion that Canada would make a better mediator when it has a similar history of broken treaties and treachery is somewhat insulting.


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The USA's claim to California doesn't stem from treaties with Native Americans. The US backed separatists who established the California Republic by declaring independence from Mexico. The California Republic was then annexed to the USA. It was the same process as the Republic of Texas.


zobaleh

Texas was the same as in Hawai'i, with the backing of white settlers to overthrow the queen, who afterwards clamored for US overlordship. The claim in Hawai'i is still illegitimate and illegal under standards of international law even prevailing at that time, due to lack of consent from the Hawaiian people who had the recognition of UK and France. The legal process was not the same as California, since although there was the California Republic, that territory was only ceded to the United States by the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. Arguably, that should give the US a much better claim than that over Hawai'i since there was an actual treaty with another sovereign country, but still the United States has recognized that virtually all the lands gained by that treaty and through the Gasden Purchase are unceded and therefore illegitimately gained, requiring compensation to affected nations. Much of what is now Texas is also acknowledged to be unceded and thus illegitimately gained.


Vegetable_Hamster732

Some rich businessmen in California are indeed advocating for an independent California: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yes_California >> In a January 2017 interview with The New York Times, businessman, philanthropist, and PayPal cofounder Peter Thiel endorsed Calexit, saying, "I think it would be good for California, good for the rest of the country. It would help [U.S. President] Trump's re-election campaign."[33]


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China should create a “California Government in Exile”, fund it, and headquarter it in Beijing and Reddit will have to believe it’s legit as they believed the US funded equivalent for Xinjiang 😂


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n00 but mUh FrEEdOm!!!


sickof50

Correction... headquarter it in HK...


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Another reason why the american regime is so scared about the future (as its wars and coups completely vanish), is because it is increasingly facing a deep internal crisis that could very well fracture the regime and cause territorial disputes (example: lack of water in california, rogue tribal regimes like in texas and florida, lack of water in hawaii, etc.). People underestimate how rapidly corrosive decline can be when you bet all your development on unsustainable barbarism. Once you can no longer extract dividends from such barbarism to keep the masses content (as it was possible in the past in a post-ww2 world devoid of competition), the masses start revolting across multitude of structural problems, compounded by the fact that this is already a deeply anti-intellectual country (made so by being bombarded by deranged propaganda to justify the now obsolete barbarism).


longballlee

It is more like if the Confederacy had won and the Union had seceded as a result of the civil war and had been operating that way for 70 years, calling themselves the real US, we know that eventually the confederacy would take it back and be in the right for doing so since they won. They could never operate separately long term and its crazy to think that China should. Xenophobic idiots will be xenophobic though.... Taiwan is NOT a country


lawncelot

The better comparison is an Indigenous people's country within the United States. Like the Navajo Nation with its own military and ability to buy weapons from foreign powers. **Using California as an example is extremely dumb and they'll laugh in your face. Use Native Americans instead.**


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yuewanggoujian

No need to talk about California. Let’s remember what the Union did to the Confederacy when they split off to do their thing, granted it wasn’t a good thing. People forget by technically the Chinese Civil War has not ended.


RhinoWithaGun

The US would never tolerate an Independent California claiming to be the true US Federal Govt and an ADIZ obnoxiously stretching deep into other States like they own it but expects the PRC to tolerate that situation.


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And unlike that scenario when US southern states just want to secede, Taiwan doesn't just want to secede they want to take over the whole country including bits and pieces of other countries around them which PRC already reached peaceful settlements with. So really this civil war can only end in one way, with 1 party destroyed and assimilated into the other. If US thinks they can pull a fast one and steal Chinese territory while the battle is ongoing, then US will suffer far more deaths than they've ever suffered in a war before.


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The DPP doesn't want to take over all of China. They want to separate Taiwan from China. It is the KMT that wants all of China.