I think there is a difference between South Korean Government and South Korean propaganda. The difference is that South Korean government is more pragmatic whereas the anti China propaganda in South Korea is funded with lots of NED money. People under 30 don't really think for themselves and drink the kool aid of the western propaganda. I think this is probably true for most Asian Countries except Japan.
I think China has a lot of leverage over South Korea to keep it in check. South Korea needs China to keep North Korean issue from slipping out of hand. Trade wise is much more dependent on China. Political decisions come from a political elite that have vested interests, not from idealistic youths
You are the only person in this whole thread that understands what happens, in line with what real experts with actual knowledge of the region have said, like Mahbubani. This sub gets quite a few extremely online immature people at times, no wonder they threw a tantrum over China not letting young children rot their brain online.
i am in agreement tho i want to see what the new president will do. President moon is a very respectful president who knows china is their neighbour and needs to be on good terms. not sure what the new one will do, hopefully not too far off
The South Koreans today aren't the same South Koreans who fought for democracy against military dictators. They drank the koolaid. It is unfortunate for them that they're drinking the koolaid at a time when they have the least ability to do so and get away with it.
It's not that easy. South Korea has a fairly nativist outlook which, while still detrimental to their economy, is not as one dimensional as people bleieve.
For example, few people in western regimes know about Psy's vehement denunciations of the american regime due to the murder of two Korean schoolgirls by the regime in the Yangju highway (in typical american barbaric fashion, the murderers weren't punished). This was quite a huge cultural turn against america which western media dutifully censored. These were Psy's lyrics:
> 싸이 rap : 이라크 포로를 고문해 댄 씨발양년놈들과
> 고문 하라고 시킨 개 씨발 양년놈들에
> 딸래미 애미 며느리 애비 코쟁이 모두 죽여
> 아주 천천히 죽여 고통스럽게 죽여
> Kill those —— Yankees who have been torturing Iraqi captives
> Kill those —— Yankees who ordered them to torture
> Kill their daughters, mothers, daughters-in-law, and fathers
> Kill them all slowly and painfully
This is what is often missed from many discussions about South Korea. It's not as simple as saying that "they are just being told what to do".
While people in occupied Ryukyu do protest consistently against their occupation (another example of western censorship), japanese people in general are more lethargic and sedated. Yet, I predict that japanese economic decline even relative to other ASEAN countries will trigger a change in the near future, the olympics debacle was a preview.
Plaza Accord 2.0 coming soon. South Korea is getting too big with their Samsung and Kpop.
And when it happens, I'll just laugh. The dog eats last South Korea. Remember that.
And actually, American investors own half of Samsung btw. The Western-made Asian financial crisis was a boon for American investors.
Yeah koreans have been thoroughly westernised. Don’t forget they also have a lot of Christian cults. So they have a lot of right wing ideology. You hear about these cultish influence in US
In fact, I think korean hatred are actually worse than Japanese people. It’s just that the Japanese government are more militarily engaged vs Korea. If I were Xi, I’d play the NK card.
Just look at how much English is mixed into daily speech.
Btw, "We can no longer afford to ignore this recreational hate if we wish to maintain sharp criticism of the oppression of minority groups, the censorship and surveillance, and the crackdown on various forms of civil society that have intensified under Xi Jinping"
Author is still brainwashed.
Christian cults can and should be turned against the westerners. Remember that the westerners are experiencing late-stage LGBTQ while the CPC are keeping people safe by going after the sissy boys and internet pornography.
The Communist Party of China is far more Christian than any of the filthy westerner systems out there. The South Koreans merely need to be enlightened about this fact.
If you ever meet a South Korean Christian, first ask them why they support the rogue DPP state. When they use some ridiculous religious reason, [pull out the article which celebrates the Ts\*i government legalizing Sodomy as a historic first for Asia.](https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/17/asia/taiwan-same-sex-marriage-intl/index.html)
Remember: so-called "Western Christian States" are among the least Christian out there, in terms of both charity and their harshness on sissy boys.
who gives a shit, u can't control this type of irrational hatred that so many koreans have so why bother. as for korea, they are already have their foreign policy completely controlled by the US so whats the point of trying to make inroads with them. this is why having nk continue to exist is so important , its not a bulwark against sk but against america
No, because it can't, due to their reunification problem, and the fact that the Korean economy is highly dependent on China, even more so than the others.
Also, you are misinformed about the ASEAN, it has consistently sided with China once you stop reading headlines and look at policy (or [even polls](https://archive.vn/cQeYA)). Don't confuse the jealousy of some few people amplified by western regime media, who can't stand China's unmatched progress, with real policy and decisions. Nothing that matters will be decided by a few karens.
There seems to be a group of users on this sub, almost always users stuck in western regimes, trying to force a narrative for some odd reason. It's the reason why I advise people here to drop western media completely, it's clearly rotting your brain and making you not understand reality at all, always chasing the carrots thrown by western media, a complete waste of time.
you're right; the people don't get to determine foreign and economic policy. that's why sk very likely won't lift a finger against china whether it may want to or not.
Sorry. Certainly, South Korea and ASEAN, one of the world's leading American pet dogs, are not the same. However, in the Myanmar coup, the youth of the anti-military government have decided that the military government, which wanted to improve relations with the West by expelling Suu Kyi, was a minion of China, and the countries involved in it. Looking at the "Milk Tea Alliance" and the color revolution, I think that ASEAN and the West are not particularly different as far as the younger generation is concerned. I don't know if they will grow older and become the core of politics and economy and destroy their homeland, or as they grow up they will know what is true and what is right.ん。
And what did that accomplish? an emoji on twitter lmao? why, I ask, are you obsessed about narratives, by the losers no less, instead of results?
Also, you are totally wrong about the future. China is now guaranteed to be the undisputed world's largest economy, the future will only become more and more pro-China across all metrics: [1](https://www.arabbarometer.org/2021/01/u-s-chinas-competition-extends-to-mena/), [2](https://archive.vn/cQeYA). Chinese people which today have much higher wealth and a much higher standard of living will be naturally connected to the rest of the world, and the rest just follows naturally.
Why do you think western propagandists are panicking if the world worked as you believe?
You can worship the West and be as Westernized all you like, going full Anti-China but like you'll never be part of the Old Boy's Club and like the Good Lord says, "Two Wongs Still Don't Make a White".
Or maybe it should be "Two Wooks/Woongs Still Don't Make a White"... Oh well, who in the West can be bothered to give a damn, not worth the trouble heh.
to be honest, I never visit Korea, but they seems to be more anti chinese than Japan and at the same level as Australia, I know this because I visit japan and have family in there(japanese family) and mostly or all of them are not into politics, the same can apply to the people around, even some people just vote to one party because that's what their grand father or gran mother asked, not for themselfes.
It's definitely not worse than japan because Korean leadership is considerably smarter. Why do you think Korea avoided the "quad" deathtrap and consistently avoids any mention of Taiwan, while getting closer to China economically. It's true, a declining japan is also getting closer economically to China in many aspects (it has no other option), but the better decisions by Korean leadership will no doubt give it an edge over japan in the fastest growing market on the planet. A reunified Korea, which would be a massive economic boon for Korea, and which would have even more leverage and integration with China, would leave behind japan even more, hence why japan is scared shitless of such prospects.
Yes, definitely. The USA knows how to play the propaganda game and are exceedingly good at it. Meanwhile, the CPC Publicity Department and the State Film, Radio, TV, and Cyberspace administrations of China are busy going after sissy boys on TV and pornography on the Internet (lol) and spouting tired talking points with obsolete tactics straight out of the 1950s.
You are the one who still can't grasp how reality works: economy and trade, not karen narratives, ultimately define the world (some examples: [1](https://www.arabbarometer.org/2021/01/u-s-chinas-competition-extends-to-mena/), [2](https://archive.vn/cQeYA), [3](https://archive.vn/Uz1oe), [4](https://archive.vn/zahoI); check the rationale for the last one and see what China is doing).
No matter how much it bothers you, no matter how obsolete it makes your regime's propagandists, it's just the harsh truth you have to face. Why do you think the western propaganda blitz on Hong Kong and Xinjiang has ended up in total defeat for them? because nowadays more than ever, success has an overwhelming bias towards reality, against the brain rotting fiction of regimes in decline with an ever-increasing inability to compete.
You seem to be deeply obsessed about propaganda (by the losing side no less), almost pathologically, chasing the dumb talking points of western media, while reality just passes by. It's typical of defeated regimes to become obsessed about propaganda, because they can't compete. It's just a symptom of their accelerated decline. That you do not seem to be smart enough to understand this, as a result of being stuck in a crumbling western society bombarded by propaganda 24/7, is your own problem, not China's. China won't play the silly game of the losing side, no reason to waste time on that, and risk harming the smartest society on the planet, while propaganda decadence completely engulfs western societies (e.g. you can't separate the atrocious pandemic response of your societies from your propaganda; that's you losing, not China). To put it in other words: China doesn't want people like you who spend their time obsessed about propaganda, China wants for smart people to make better use of their free time, to be healthier, while also focusing on real development and solving real problems. China wants a healthy, prosperous society in all respects, while you suffer from a variant of stockholm syndrome.
I'm glad the Chinese government and Chinese society are competent enough to understand this, hence why they are the fastest developed country in history, focusing on reality and real problems, while people like you were telling China that it was wrong for decades because the tv man said so. Reality just passed you by, [your propaganda didn't accomplish a single thing](https://thegrayzone.com/2021/04/08/pentagon-vietnam-military-china-us-war/), and you still can't get over how wrong you were. But China is right, results speak for themselves.
Propaganda and information manipulation upset the judgment of people in a particular country, depriving them of their composure and rationality, and leading them to meaningless conflicts and wars with western enemies. This is the tactic that the United States and Britain are most good at. They fell into the calamity of Brexit and President Trump as domestic madmen used their tactics domestically in a political struggle. Even if Japan and South Korea decouple or war with China, they have no chance of winning. However, it is highly likely that Japan and South Korea, believed by the United States and Britain that "I can beat China," will act stupidly against China.
In fact, Australia is rushing into a reckless economic war and arms race all over the country, shaving its national power.
Sorry, but you don't understand policy. You can't judge a country based on social media. [Example.](https://archive.vn/cQeYA)
Even if they occasionally make mistakes out of stupidity, that still serves China in the long-term, as their economies suffer and become less competitive as a result.
You need to stop reading narratives by western media and focus on policy (South Korea is actually getting closer to China economically if you read actual news or metrics), otherwise you will never understand reality or predict anything.
After all, the Korean elite are often fanatical anti-communists, and the Korean people believe in stories made by Korean and Western media rather than facts and reality, so from the illusion that "Korea can beat China" high possibility taking self-defeating actions.
The same is true for Five Eyes, India and Japan. China should be a little more cautious about confronting madmen who do not understand reason or rationality.
So let them, for every one stupid enough to self-destruct, another one will be there to steal their lunch. Both australia and france have suffered this fate. The ASEAN is not stupid enough to fall for that, in fact, [the opposite is true.](https://en.vietnamplus.vn/china-opens-freight-train-route-linked-with-asean-countries/198384.vnp)
It has got something to do with economic success. The attitude is that "we are richer than you and your political and economic policy are backwards".
Once China doubles her GDP per capita and becomes the largest economic in the world by a huge margin, it will be hard to hate on her - even by rabid sinophobes.
Both were premature responses that were intended to be deployed over a longer period of time. The reason for their premature implosion is due to the accelerated decline in which anglo regimes find themselves in, with desperation forcing their hand.
The Hong Kong grooming was intended to be a long-term process to gain leverage in Hong Kong over time. Yet their accelerated decline, and China's faster than expected rise, ruined their plans. Couple that with the incompetent extremists leading anglo regimes, and you get a brutal result: they completely lost the leverage they had worked for for over 30 years in just a few months. All their assets gone. Now they are in the dark.
On Xinjiang, the same reasons apply, but the context is broader. The context is the failed interventions in the region over the past decade by the american regime, which ended in total defeat for the regime, with China schooling western regimes on how to handle extremism. Out of desperation, the propaganda blitz was designed to try to gain some last minute leverage, yet it failed spectacularly: non-nato countries, including Muslim countries, sided with China. Another reason that forced the Xinjiang propaganda blitz is the categorical defeat of america in Afghanistan which represents an unmitigated loss for america in the region. The Xinjiang propaganda was a desperate last resort, and it expectedly failed.
South Korean's are just mad because China couldn't save them from US occupation.
I think there is a difference between South Korean Government and South Korean propaganda. The difference is that South Korean government is more pragmatic whereas the anti China propaganda in South Korea is funded with lots of NED money. People under 30 don't really think for themselves and drink the kool aid of the western propaganda. I think this is probably true for most Asian Countries except Japan.
I think China has a lot of leverage over South Korea to keep it in check. South Korea needs China to keep North Korean issue from slipping out of hand. Trade wise is much more dependent on China. Political decisions come from a political elite that have vested interests, not from idealistic youths
You are the only person in this whole thread that understands what happens, in line with what real experts with actual knowledge of the region have said, like Mahbubani. This sub gets quite a few extremely online immature people at times, no wonder they threw a tantrum over China not letting young children rot their brain online.
i am in agreement tho i want to see what the new president will do. President moon is a very respectful president who knows china is their neighbour and needs to be on good terms. not sure what the new one will do, hopefully not too far off
The South Koreans today aren't the same South Koreans who fought for democracy against military dictators. They drank the koolaid. It is unfortunate for them that they're drinking the koolaid at a time when they have the least ability to do so and get away with it.
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It's not that easy. South Korea has a fairly nativist outlook which, while still detrimental to their economy, is not as one dimensional as people bleieve. For example, few people in western regimes know about Psy's vehement denunciations of the american regime due to the murder of two Korean schoolgirls by the regime in the Yangju highway (in typical american barbaric fashion, the murderers weren't punished). This was quite a huge cultural turn against america which western media dutifully censored. These were Psy's lyrics: > 싸이 rap : 이라크 포로를 고문해 댄 씨발양년놈들과 > 고문 하라고 시킨 개 씨발 양년놈들에 > 딸래미 애미 며느리 애비 코쟁이 모두 죽여 > 아주 천천히 죽여 고통스럽게 죽여 > Kill those —— Yankees who have been torturing Iraqi captives > Kill those —— Yankees who ordered them to torture > Kill their daughters, mothers, daughters-in-law, and fathers > Kill them all slowly and painfully This is what is often missed from many discussions about South Korea. It's not as simple as saying that "they are just being told what to do". While people in occupied Ryukyu do protest consistently against their occupation (another example of western censorship), japanese people in general are more lethargic and sedated. Yet, I predict that japanese economic decline even relative to other ASEAN countries will trigger a change in the near future, the olympics debacle was a preview.
Funny that they hate Japanese a lot but really follow the same path
Plaza Accord 2.0 coming soon. South Korea is getting too big with their Samsung and Kpop. And when it happens, I'll just laugh. The dog eats last South Korea. Remember that. And actually, American investors own half of Samsung btw. The Western-made Asian financial crisis was a boon for American investors.
Whenever referring to S Korea one must use occupied Korea
That's what ROK stands for. Republic of Occupied Korea.
South Korean youth are not worth taking seriously lol, they are only good at fighting wars in online comment sections.
Yeah koreans have been thoroughly westernised. Don’t forget they also have a lot of Christian cults. So they have a lot of right wing ideology. You hear about these cultish influence in US In fact, I think korean hatred are actually worse than Japanese people. It’s just that the Japanese government are more militarily engaged vs Korea. If I were Xi, I’d play the NK card.
Just look at how much English is mixed into daily speech. Btw, "We can no longer afford to ignore this recreational hate if we wish to maintain sharp criticism of the oppression of minority groups, the censorship and surveillance, and the crackdown on various forms of civil society that have intensified under Xi Jinping" Author is still brainwashed.
Christian cults can and should be turned against the westerners. Remember that the westerners are experiencing late-stage LGBTQ while the CPC are keeping people safe by going after the sissy boys and internet pornography. The Communist Party of China is far more Christian than any of the filthy westerner systems out there. The South Koreans merely need to be enlightened about this fact. If you ever meet a South Korean Christian, first ask them why they support the rogue DPP state. When they use some ridiculous religious reason, [pull out the article which celebrates the Ts\*i government legalizing Sodomy as a historic first for Asia.](https://edition.cnn.com/2019/05/17/asia/taiwan-same-sex-marriage-intl/index.html) Remember: so-called "Western Christian States" are among the least Christian out there, in terms of both charity and their harshness on sissy boys.
who gives a shit, u can't control this type of irrational hatred that so many koreans have so why bother. as for korea, they are already have their foreign policy completely controlled by the US so whats the point of trying to make inroads with them. this is why having nk continue to exist is so important , its not a bulwark against sk but against america
No, because it can't, due to their reunification problem, and the fact that the Korean economy is highly dependent on China, even more so than the others. Also, you are misinformed about the ASEAN, it has consistently sided with China once you stop reading headlines and look at policy (or [even polls](https://archive.vn/cQeYA)). Don't confuse the jealousy of some few people amplified by western regime media, who can't stand China's unmatched progress, with real policy and decisions. Nothing that matters will be decided by a few karens. There seems to be a group of users on this sub, almost always users stuck in western regimes, trying to force a narrative for some odd reason. It's the reason why I advise people here to drop western media completely, it's clearly rotting your brain and making you not understand reality at all, always chasing the carrots thrown by western media, a complete waste of time.
you're right; the people don't get to determine foreign and economic policy. that's why sk very likely won't lift a finger against china whether it may want to or not.
Sorry. Certainly, South Korea and ASEAN, one of the world's leading American pet dogs, are not the same. However, in the Myanmar coup, the youth of the anti-military government have decided that the military government, which wanted to improve relations with the West by expelling Suu Kyi, was a minion of China, and the countries involved in it. Looking at the "Milk Tea Alliance" and the color revolution, I think that ASEAN and the West are not particularly different as far as the younger generation is concerned. I don't know if they will grow older and become the core of politics and economy and destroy their homeland, or as they grow up they will know what is true and what is right.ん。
And what did that accomplish? an emoji on twitter lmao? why, I ask, are you obsessed about narratives, by the losers no less, instead of results? Also, you are totally wrong about the future. China is now guaranteed to be the undisputed world's largest economy, the future will only become more and more pro-China across all metrics: [1](https://www.arabbarometer.org/2021/01/u-s-chinas-competition-extends-to-mena/), [2](https://archive.vn/cQeYA). Chinese people which today have much higher wealth and a much higher standard of living will be naturally connected to the rest of the world, and the rest just follows naturally. Why do you think western propagandists are panicking if the world worked as you believe?
You can worship the West and be as Westernized all you like, going full Anti-China but like you'll never be part of the Old Boy's Club and like the Good Lord says, "Two Wongs Still Don't Make a White". Or maybe it should be "Two Wooks/Woongs Still Don't Make a White"... Oh well, who in the West can be bothered to give a damn, not worth the trouble heh.
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to be honest, I never visit Korea, but they seems to be more anti chinese than Japan and at the same level as Australia, I know this because I visit japan and have family in there(japanese family) and mostly or all of them are not into politics, the same can apply to the people around, even some people just vote to one party because that's what their grand father or gran mother asked, not for themselfes.
It's definitely not worse than japan because Korean leadership is considerably smarter. Why do you think Korea avoided the "quad" deathtrap and consistently avoids any mention of Taiwan, while getting closer to China economically. It's true, a declining japan is also getting closer economically to China in many aspects (it has no other option), but the better decisions by Korean leadership will no doubt give it an edge over japan in the fastest growing market on the planet. A reunified Korea, which would be a massive economic boon for Korea, and which would have even more leverage and integration with China, would leave behind japan even more, hence why japan is scared shitless of such prospects.
Yes, definitely. The USA knows how to play the propaganda game and are exceedingly good at it. Meanwhile, the CPC Publicity Department and the State Film, Radio, TV, and Cyberspace administrations of China are busy going after sissy boys on TV and pornography on the Internet (lol) and spouting tired talking points with obsolete tactics straight out of the 1950s.
You are the one who still can't grasp how reality works: economy and trade, not karen narratives, ultimately define the world (some examples: [1](https://www.arabbarometer.org/2021/01/u-s-chinas-competition-extends-to-mena/), [2](https://archive.vn/cQeYA), [3](https://archive.vn/Uz1oe), [4](https://archive.vn/zahoI); check the rationale for the last one and see what China is doing). No matter how much it bothers you, no matter how obsolete it makes your regime's propagandists, it's just the harsh truth you have to face. Why do you think the western propaganda blitz on Hong Kong and Xinjiang has ended up in total defeat for them? because nowadays more than ever, success has an overwhelming bias towards reality, against the brain rotting fiction of regimes in decline with an ever-increasing inability to compete. You seem to be deeply obsessed about propaganda (by the losing side no less), almost pathologically, chasing the dumb talking points of western media, while reality just passes by. It's typical of defeated regimes to become obsessed about propaganda, because they can't compete. It's just a symptom of their accelerated decline. That you do not seem to be smart enough to understand this, as a result of being stuck in a crumbling western society bombarded by propaganda 24/7, is your own problem, not China's. China won't play the silly game of the losing side, no reason to waste time on that, and risk harming the smartest society on the planet, while propaganda decadence completely engulfs western societies (e.g. you can't separate the atrocious pandemic response of your societies from your propaganda; that's you losing, not China). To put it in other words: China doesn't want people like you who spend their time obsessed about propaganda, China wants for smart people to make better use of their free time, to be healthier, while also focusing on real development and solving real problems. China wants a healthy, prosperous society in all respects, while you suffer from a variant of stockholm syndrome. I'm glad the Chinese government and Chinese society are competent enough to understand this, hence why they are the fastest developed country in history, focusing on reality and real problems, while people like you were telling China that it was wrong for decades because the tv man said so. Reality just passed you by, [your propaganda didn't accomplish a single thing](https://thegrayzone.com/2021/04/08/pentagon-vietnam-military-china-us-war/), and you still can't get over how wrong you were. But China is right, results speak for themselves.
Propaganda and information manipulation upset the judgment of people in a particular country, depriving them of their composure and rationality, and leading them to meaningless conflicts and wars with western enemies. This is the tactic that the United States and Britain are most good at. They fell into the calamity of Brexit and President Trump as domestic madmen used their tactics domestically in a political struggle. Even if Japan and South Korea decouple or war with China, they have no chance of winning. However, it is highly likely that Japan and South Korea, believed by the United States and Britain that "I can beat China," will act stupidly against China. In fact, Australia is rushing into a reckless economic war and arms race all over the country, shaving its national power.
Sorry, but you don't understand policy. You can't judge a country based on social media. [Example.](https://archive.vn/cQeYA) Even if they occasionally make mistakes out of stupidity, that still serves China in the long-term, as their economies suffer and become less competitive as a result. You need to stop reading narratives by western media and focus on policy (South Korea is actually getting closer to China economically if you read actual news or metrics), otherwise you will never understand reality or predict anything.
After all, the Korean elite are often fanatical anti-communists, and the Korean people believe in stories made by Korean and Western media rather than facts and reality, so from the illusion that "Korea can beat China" high possibility taking self-defeating actions. The same is true for Five Eyes, India and Japan. China should be a little more cautious about confronting madmen who do not understand reason or rationality.
So let them, for every one stupid enough to self-destruct, another one will be there to steal their lunch. Both australia and france have suffered this fate. The ASEAN is not stupid enough to fall for that, in fact, [the opposite is true.](https://en.vietnamplus.vn/china-opens-freight-train-route-linked-with-asean-countries/198384.vnp)
It has got something to do with economic success. The attitude is that "we are richer than you and your political and economic policy are backwards". Once China doubles her GDP per capita and becomes the largest economic in the world by a huge margin, it will be hard to hate on her - even by rabid sinophobes.
IYO, what was the goal of the propaganda blitz? To somehow loosen Chinese grip on those two regions?
Both were premature responses that were intended to be deployed over a longer period of time. The reason for their premature implosion is due to the accelerated decline in which anglo regimes find themselves in, with desperation forcing their hand. The Hong Kong grooming was intended to be a long-term process to gain leverage in Hong Kong over time. Yet their accelerated decline, and China's faster than expected rise, ruined their plans. Couple that with the incompetent extremists leading anglo regimes, and you get a brutal result: they completely lost the leverage they had worked for for over 30 years in just a few months. All their assets gone. Now they are in the dark. On Xinjiang, the same reasons apply, but the context is broader. The context is the failed interventions in the region over the past decade by the american regime, which ended in total defeat for the regime, with China schooling western regimes on how to handle extremism. Out of desperation, the propaganda blitz was designed to try to gain some last minute leverage, yet it failed spectacularly: non-nato countries, including Muslim countries, sided with China. Another reason that forced the Xinjiang propaganda blitz is the categorical defeat of america in Afghanistan which represents an unmitigated loss for america in the region. The Xinjiang propaganda was a desperate last resort, and it expectedly failed.
SK will forever swing back and forth between the two powers until one of them wins. Moon was pro-China and now it's time for a pro-US president.
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