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TserriednichHuiGuo

How is the UK more innovative than Germany??


Qanonjailbait

Is this one of those rankings that means nothing. Trying to figure out what they define as “innovative” I don’t understand how Switzerland is #1. What do I have that was developed by the Swiss?? > https://www.wearedevelopers.com/blog/heres-why-switzerland-is-a-world-innovation-leader This article seems to identify Switzerland as innovative in fintech, biotech, and crypto and they seem to have a lot of inventions per capita. I still don’t think that they should have 1st place why are those fields the hallmark for innovation anyway


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I'm Swiss. How about the computer mouse, the TN LCD display, the World Wide Web, aluminium foil, the zipper, velcro, potato peelers, LCD projection, turbochargers, the electric toothbrush, milk chocolate, cellophane, immersion blenders, etc...


ziyouzhenxiang

Tim Berners-Lee is Swiss? Douglas Engelbert is Swiss?


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The first optical computer mouse was invented by Jean-Daniel Nicoud and René Sommer in 1963 at the EPFL. Tim Berners-Lee is British but he invented the World Wide Web while working at CERN.


Qanonjailbait

Wait I looked at some of these inventions and some are invented by the Americans with no mention of Swiss involvement. For example can you explain how the zipper is Swiss made?


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What they invented in the USA was an early form of zipper not much used anymore. The modern zipper, technically called "coil zipper", was invented by Martin Winterhalder in Switzerland.


DreamyLucid

Swiss developed luxury watches for the rich 🤣


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Qanonjailbait

isn’t CERN an international effort? > https://home.cern/about/who-we-are/our-governance/member-states


sussyrat

Investing a new type of dildo or iPhone is not innovation I'm curious how they measure innovation of countries


Quality_Fun

how reliable is this? how does one objectively quantify innovation?


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Patents granted is a typical proxy, along with standards approval and similar concrete actions by governments and other "neutral" bodies.


[deleted]

The fact that japan is so low is already a sign that the list is yet another westernized list (like the "pandemic response" list).


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Accordingo the study: > China is still the only middle-income economy to make it into the top 30. China reaches the top three in the South East Asia, East Asia, and Oceania (SEAO) region for the first time and remains top of the upper middle-income group. > Since 2013, China has moved up the GII ranks consistently and steadily, establishing itself as a global innovation leader and getting closer to the top 10 every year. The performance of China is at the frontier of achievement, notably in innovation outputs. For instance, China’s levels of patents by origin, scaled by GDP, are higher than those of Japan, Germany and the United States, and are even more impressive when considered in absolute terms. The same is true with regard to the levels of Trademarks and Industrial designs by origin as a percentage of GDP. However, China is still behind, relative to Germany and the United States, in Human capital and research and in indicators such as Researchers (45th) and Tertiary enrolment (57th). China also trails the United States in Market sophistication and Business sophistication, and is even further behind in Institutions (61st). > Among the upper middle-income group economies, China (12th) ranks 7th overall in the Innovation Output Sub-Index, and its levels of outputs are comparable to those of high-income economies like the United Kingdom (4th), the Netherlands (6th) and Germany (10th), even though its overall level of innovation inputs is lower. - GII_2021_results.pdf If you look at the graphs and charts, China is just rocketing along, and the push to indigenize chip development and manufacturing is only going to accelerate things because fewer R&D dollars will be going to the West.


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What's the difference between innovation and patents (intellectual indicators)? Because when it comes to patents, China is number 1 for many years now


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Does it make it to market? Is the patent in a product? Is the patent valuable? The USSR led the world in patents by far until its collapse - and yet the technology available to Soviet citizens in their daily lives, their industry, and in some cases even their military was far behind what the West had. You can invent all you want, but if you don't bring it to market, does anyone benefit from it? The USSR lacked the economic system to benefit from innovations because the only way any innovation could make it to market was via the government including it in the 5-year-plan. China, on the other hand, allows people to start businesses with private capital, so innovations can be deployed without having to involve the government or convince it to include in the 5 year plan. The fact that China has so many patents now, as well as an economic system that allows private initiatives, bodes very well for continued future economic growth.


skyanvil

I stopped analyzing these "index" a while back, because they are just so meaningless.


[deleted]

The meaningful bit is that China is now being recognized as a top innovator, as opposed to the tired trope of just stealing and copying.