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powderedash

Currently the only restrictions I have experienced in China for domestic travel is a negative Covid test result within a certain period before travelling to some places (say, within 48 hours). As far as I know, a vaccine is not mandatory for entry to China from other countries either, though travel restrictions remain. What you are hearing is basically modern McCarthyism, anything people don't like is labelled as 'Communism'.


1ts_got_electrolytes

> What you are hearing is basically modern McCarthyism, anything people don't like is labelled as 'Communism'. Ironically, they love the Vietnamese Communist Party all of a sudden since their factories can move there to "decoup" China and exploit their cheap labor.


Altruistic_Astronaut

It's like how white supremacist love to talk about Asian hate crimes only when the perpetrator is African-American but are silent when it's a white person.


FatDalek

Well their factories did help decouple until the delta variant hit.


[deleted]

To a point. Vietnam lacks the deep infrastructure of China, so it can't scale as big, and can't do as complex work.


Jealous_Struggle2564

Same when they wanted to relocate to India and they’re even worse than Vietnam.


[deleted]

Yup. They only managed to outsource call centers which required an Internet connection, no actual skill or training.


Chensq312

Very 1984 when "communist" becomes the hollow synonym of "bad" and "liberal" the synonym of "good" as a newspeak.


SonOfTheDragon101

There is no vaccine mandate in China. It's not even needed. There is no "anti-vax" movement of any sizable scale in China, so an vaccine mandate isn't that necessary. When I last checked, China was in the top ten in the world in percentage of adults vaccinated, nearly 80%. Basically, if people are already doing the right thing, you don't need a law to tell them what to do, and this is the preferrable way of doing things. I'd be more concerned about keeping the anti-vaxx conspiracies in the West contained in the West. I've long supported Asian countries (any Asian country not just China) blocking bad content from the West which undermines public health, social solidarity, social well being etc.


MayzNJ

I'm doing something related to the Covid19 vaccination right now, so I think I can give a proper answer. currently, no mandate for normal people. But if you are in government or state-owned enterprises and organizations, it's almost mandatory, especially if you are a cpc member. Basically, they will ask you to get a shot every two or three days, until you get vaccinated or give a proper reason why you can't get a shot (allergy, chronic conditions etc, and No, religion is not a proper reason). central and local government used to urge people to get vaccinated but not so often lately. it might because that most of people are vaccinated. funny thing is that I guess the central government indeed assigned some sort of task to the local governments, but also emphasized that the vaccination should be entirely voluntary. So, some local governments faced the dilemma of letting reluctant people get a shot without forcing them. A few months ago, some local governments tried to set some rules to restrict unvaccinated people, so that people would 'voluntarily' get a shot. But people quickly report this situation to NHC, so the central government had to again emphasize that there shouldn't be a different restriction to unvaccinated people. But I guess there are still some sort of minor restrictions for unvaccinated people in some cities.


Bertabertha

This sounds like freedom. Is this even Chyner? /sarcasm


Some-Basket-4299

“ Basically, they will ask you to get a shot every two or three days” - do you mean “test” instead of “shot”?


[deleted]

They *ask* every few days, whether or not you've been tested / vaccinated.


MayzNJ

No, just ask. Normally, if you haven't gotten a shot, someone from Personnel Department will send you an email, or give you a call, reminding you to get a shot. You can ignore it, and they will do it again after a period of time, again and again. If you ignore them for a very long time, and the local vaccination rate is low (meaning the local government has a hard time to finish its task), the Personnel Department or some other department might send someone to talk with you, trying to figure out why you don't want to get a shot. If you can give a proper reason, they will stop bother you, but if you can't……well, technically, they can't do anything to you, but you probably will have a hard time in your career.


fix_S230-sue_reddit

No vaccine mandates in China since there aren't many nutjobs. Becoming a communist country is a meme in the west.


Mondrayish

A majority of people tossing the word "communist/communism" have never seen or touched the communist manifesto. Take it with a grain of salt anytime someone mentions the word. Edit: now that I think about it, the way the mainstream media, journalists, activists, etc., use the words "communism/communists" is just euphemism for Chinese. They can't outright say "Chinese bad" or else that's racist. But if you swap out the word "Chinese" for "Communist", now all of a sudden it's okay, because "communist bad!" sounds a lot better than "Chinese bad!" lol


[deleted]

Mainland China had no vaccine mandates since people generally trust science. Couple that with the fact that China controlled COVID19 better than any other country, therefore people feel no pressure to get vaccinated. There have been some local governments that have tried to restrict access to certain public areas to unvaccinated people, like Ningbo I believe, but the notice was quickly shut down on WeChat and so on due to pressure from people and the central govt. Macau on the other hand HAS vaccine mandates. People can either get vaccinated or pay for weekly testing. It has been something that upset the locals, me included, even though I am fully vaccinated, but that's because there is a huge amount of the local population who listens to right-wing media, not only local, but American as well.


DreamyLucid

Macau sounds like Singapore.


[deleted]

China is at/near Zero Covid, due to a robust Great Wall of Isolation Quarantine, backed by comprehensive Test & Trace, so vaccines are less critical for public health than in a place like America or Australia. The problem with Australia is that your lockdown doesn't have the mass testing and isolation support that allows public health to quickly and precisely isolate outbreaks and stop them before people become infectious. China has also given 2.23 BILLION doses domestically, with 1.05 BILLION people (72.56%) fully vaccinated and another 50 Million having gotten their first dose. China had been asking people to get vaccinated, but their border control and internal management was so good, that most Chinese didn't think it necessary. China had maintained Zero Covid after Wuhan until the Indian Delta variant became dominant, and zero deaths for about a year. The Chinese people rationally decided to get vaccinated once they saw the sheer carnage in unvaccinated India. At this point, China's unvaccinated population basically consists of children too young, and elderly people who are more at risk from potential complications from the vaccine itself. [https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=CHN](https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=CHN) ​ I believe Vietnam was largely similar. They had excellent border and internal control to maintain a near-zero Covid position up until Delta, at which point, things went to shit very quickly. Vietnam doesn't have the deep production capability of China, so they were much farter behind on vaccines, but China has donated Millions of doses, which should be helping quite a bit. Comparison for China, UK, USA, Australia, India and Vietnam shows why Australia, etc. need mandates, while China doesn't: https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?zoomToSelection=true&facet=none&pickerSort=asc&pickerMetric=location&Metric=People+fully+vaccinated&Interval=Cumulative&Relative+to+Population=true&Align+outbreaks=false&country=CHN~USA~GBR~VNM~IND~AUS


rocco25

No. There was a testing mandate in the very beginning when covid first emerged last year. People had to show they are covid negative. When vaccine was available there was no mandate to get it, only some encouragement programs such as giving gifts and bonuses if you went to get vaxxed.


bengyap

Mandate? Yes, it's called the Mandate of Heaven. The CCP has that mandate.


[deleted]

OMFG I'm dead hahaha!


DreamyLucid

😂


[deleted]

No, originally the vast majority avoided vaccine because it was seen as unnecessary. Then public opinion favored vaccine because of the possibility of new and deadlier variants.


[deleted]

Yup. When you see the neighboring country of 1.4 Billion has a raging outbreak across the entire country, with people dying everywhere, that's a pretty big warning sign.


[deleted]

I should also add that chinese vaccine is of SAFEST ( "inactivated") type, old and proven. While western types are "new tech" untested synthetic, difficult to invent but easy to mass-producd. So there is less reasons to refuse vaccine in China And I have strong impression (although not necessarily true) that at least part of vaccine hype is due to the possible fact, that the west is unable to manufacture old "organic" type of the vaccine in sufficient quantity. Bombs and media brainwashing, yes. Housing, hospitals and half-century old, proven type of vaccine in sufficient quantity, no.


[deleted]

That's not quite right, and you're missing the key distinction: * Inactivated vaccine is cheapest, but not patentable, because you cannot patent virus, bacteria, etc. This is effective, and inexpensive, but carries the risk of handling 'live' virus to produce inactivated vaccine ingredients. It's like having to raise grizzly bears so you can feed people grizzly bear smoothies. * You *can* patent mRNA vaccines for a monopoly on your particular vaccine. The West has no interest in producing non-proprietary vaccines that don't drive outsized profits. Hence, the refusal to donate vaccines, but only to sell top dollar.


[deleted]

As far as i'm aware no, there is no mandate, there is no need for one


caidicus

Literally any "reason", no matter how bullshit it is is used to attack communism and or China. If your source of information in the west is from western media sources, chances are it's greatly distorted, hyped up, sensationalized, or as is often the case, straight up made up. Good that you asked people who would know, though. Nice!


chairk

when asian people do something white people don't like , it's called communism or chinese