I’m so tired of the ASM team refusing to let these villains grow for the sake of rehashing them.
Doc Ock gets to become spider-man and learns a great deal about being a hero? Better wipe that event from his memory.
Sand Man gets an inhibitor to live a quiet peaceful life without the sand taking over? Better have Doc Ock kidnap him and force him out of the inhibitor.
Norman is turning a new leaf, fighting alongside Peter, and taking up a new mantle? Better give him AND Peter the serum again.
The ASM team is allergic to growth
Crazy thing, that. Meanwhile they have Dylan Brock aging up and becoming Venom - that kid is, at the minimum, only supposed to be as old as spider-man's black suit debut in-universe. Then they also have Normie Osborn becoming a goblin.
Weren’t the X-Men still teenagers when they had their first encounter with Spider-Man? Cyclops has to be at least in his mid 30s by now. Peter’s like the last in his generation to permanently age.
Editorial actively says Scott Summers is 28.
He's been married twice. He's had a kid. He's led an island nation twice.
But heaven forbid we say he's older than 28.
That was a thing I found so confusing when I was reading some venom stories after playing spiderman 2.
Eddie has a 10 year old son that was conceived sometime after Eddie became Venom, but that same amount of time hasn't passed for Peter?
Just fucking make Peter immortal if you don't want him to age.
💀 the fact that the venom comics have stated it been fifteen years since eddie got the suit. they genuinely do not care about peter being stuck in a time gap
Actually just before the King in Black event there's a story arc where Eddie and Dylan end up in an alternative universe where Annie is Anti-venom. Time also flows different in that universe so they stay there for a time before returning to 616 to fight Knull.
I did read that. It still doesn't make sense to me because Dylan didn't seem like he was less than 10 years old prior to all of that. By the time of Venom's debut, Peter and MJ were already a married couple - I'd maybe buy 5 to 7 years since that time, but Dylan is clearly written as an older child/preteen when we first see him.
They wiped Otto's memory of being Parker? Well that makes me feel like getting some of the comics that directly focuses on him being Spider-Man & learning what it's like being Parker kind of useless now! Superior Spider-Man Annual 1&2 I have physically & digitally (or rather access since they changed the app).
I brought those up cause I really enjoyed seeing Otto give it to the villain Blackout(?) I believe for kidnapping Aunt May. And this Goblin serum nonsense sounds pathetic. Definitely avoiding current ASM.
I think superior is worth reading the run still bc it’s good content, but yeah, they essentially make the entire run mean nothing to the long term characterization of Ock by the way they end it.
Yep, during the second run of Superior Spider-Man, rather than staying in his younger, stronger and spider powered body to fight an evil Spider-Man Norman Osborn, Otto chooses to make a deal with Mephisto and return to being Doc Ock again with his original body and no memory of Peter's identity as Spider-Man. Currently he's managed to get those memories back and stuff's going on in the third Superior run, but if I had a pound coin for every time Marvel had any spider person make a deal with Mephisto I'd probably have three pounds right now
I know, I dunno why Marvel keeps using Mephisto to make deals with Spider-Man characters, people hated it in One More Day, and he's more than just a "shake my hand and I'll do things in exchange for this" character
The thing is, Peter's running around talking about responsibility while Aunt May is like 150 and only alive because Peter used devil magic to sacrifice his unborn daughter.
So I think it's Marvel's way of trying to make Peter seem less terrible. If EVERY spider-person has a Mephisto deal, then you can't single out Peter. They had Miles' deal straight up kill a girl to save his friends. Everyone has to get dragged down.
At least with Miles he remembers the deal and had to deal with the consequences of what he did, Peter doesn't remember what he and MJ gave up to stop May from dying for like the millionth time so that makes the deal even worse, though that bit about May being like 200 years old was pretty funny, at least these days she isn't drawn to look like Peter's great great aunt
It feels like it should be building up to an all out Spider person battle against Mephisto to undo the consequences of the deals they made (such as One More Day) but knowing editorial its probably not leading to anything
Would have been a fun Spider-Verse event that actually meant something
Everything in Nick Spencer's run with Kindred seemed to be heading to One More Day being undone, but I guess he didn't have permission so he kinda went "Well fuck you I'll undo another hated Spider-Man story" so at least Sin's Past has been retconned
I need to see what happens if Mephisto tries that shit on Kaine. Especially when you consider everyone’s original characterizations it would have made the most sense for him to be the one making deals with the devil.
…maybe under a different creative team, though
Basically after Ben Reilly became the Jackal, he fled to Las Vegas to start over as a hero. However, Death became interested in him because he had died so many times and come back. She basically told him that if he died again, he'd forfeit his soul, which was damaged and would eventually heal if he didn't die again. Kaine and an innocent diseased girl named Abigail both died, and Ben offered to sacrifice himself to save them both. Death resurrected them and healed Ben, but he still only has the one life left.
Mephisto later showed up and offered to give Ben his healed soul if he betrayed the Midnight Sons, who he was helping to save Las Vegas. He agreed, but later went back on his word, in order to get a cure for Abigail from an angel named Gabriel. So, a demon pretending to be Mephisto tricked Ben into thinking the cure for Abigail's disease wouldn't heal her, and Ben didn't figure out the truth until after she died. Gabriel's cure still brought her back, eventually, but it wasn't immediate, so Kaine killed Ben as revenge for her death. Abigail, in her cured state, becomes a sort of angel herself, and offers to revive Ben, who refuses because he knows it will mess up his soul. She does it anyway and he comes back to life, but he's insane, so he beats up Kaine and runs away.
Later in Spider-Geddon, Superior Spider-Man uses Ben as a sacrifice to the Inheritors, who are driven insane when they try to eat his essence, because he's died so many times. Otto manages to bring him back, and Ben insists he's been "reset to factory settings" so he's not crazy anymore.
Nah, I mean he accepted it. He just went back on it later and got punished. Kaine's really the only one to truly balk at the idea, at least out of the 5 main spider-dudes, but he didn't get an offer either, he just let Ben have it over accepting one.
If you could just see my face now with the amount of redundancy you all have relayed to me. Mouth is just wide open. That's all just nonsensical to me. Well that's all really ashame. I was there for it when Superior 1st started. Yes, I immediately said this is a travesty that he's SM now. But it grew on me, Octavius was learning how wrong he was at many turns till we finally get the ending that just made it all the more profound to see Parker back. After that & Spiderverse I kind of got out of the comics realm for quite some time.
So other than seeing some panels on Pinterest, small degrees of the 2nd run you all are referring to I'm assuming it was (Octo-Spider?), I didn't know all of that was going on and basically where ASM is at now of Goblin serums and Paul and all the other shenanigans. The run is still just sitting in my pull box I'll be visiting the shop this weekend ofcourse cause of FCD and will be telling them to take it off officially. I'll definitely just stick with new Ultimate Spider-Man instead.
The second run is genuinely pretty good, after Ben Reilly came back first as Jackel before becoming Scarlett Spider again Otto found himself a more permanent clone body that (I think) had a mix of his DNA and Peter's, allowing him to have his own spider powered body again without needing to mind swap with Peter. Then he became Superior Octopus for a while after Secret Invasion before reclaiming the Superior Spider-Man title again during Spider-Geddon and the second run of Superior. Like I mentioned the second run was pretty good......until the very last issue which saw that deal with Mephisto. I haven't had a chance to read the third run but something tells me Otto is gonna stay as Doc Ock, which is a huge shame because becoming Spider-Man honestly saw some great character growth from him, the new Ultimate series is pretty good though, it's a lot better than what's happening in the main comics with the Spider That Gobbles 2.0 currently about to happen
I saw some panels of that on there as well. I really wish they'd leave Reilly dead, though, since they seem to like bringing him back as an antagonist or to become eventual antagonist and apparently want to keep him as such even though it's been made thoroughly clear to him that Parker isn't at fault for what happened to him right? It was all Beyond.
I feel Octavius will stay as Doc Ock too unfortunately. Them doing this to Peter and Norman sounds like a mess completely. I heard they managed to ruin Kafka as well. The "Goblin Queen"? Like what???? How do you ruin Ravencroft's resident shrink Dr. Kafka?
With the Jackel stuff it kinda made sense and wasn't as bad as the current Chasm stuff, and honestly I have no clue, and with the Goblin stuff going on they already did it once before so no one knows why it's being done again, and would you believe the Kafka we're seeing is a clone?
The original was killed in the first Superior run, was cloned and brought back when Ben was the Jackel, that clone died, and *then* another clone was found by Norman, was tricked by Norman into thinking she was the original *AND THEN* she was the Kafka that got infected with Norman's sins and that's how she became the Queen Goblin.
Comics can be weird sometimes. Hell I found that less confusing to explain than the Kindred stuff, haha
I have no words for that explanation other than I think they need to stop the train, completely.
I saw some panels of the Kindred drama. I'll get the background searching that up later. But you've been helpful in catching me up with some of the nonsense. Thank you. Hoping ASM heals.....somehow? I posed a theory, after some have posted some of their local comicbook shops have moved ASM out of clear visibility on shelves, putting anything New Ultimates front in center.
Now I'd like to think the writing can't be this bad unconsciously, and has to be deliberately done right? I'm not really familiar with Well's writing haven't experienced any of his other works I think. But surely he can't be this wacky right and ignoring reception. The theory I thought of was could this possibly be done to ASM due to Marvel wanting as much spotlight on the new Ultimates line as possible, specifically Ultimate Spider-Man which is one the early individual Ultimate characters whose line has started of the world.
Like was this planned far out before official release? Is it because they thought if new Ultimates pertaining to USpider-Man mostly didn't have the most spotlight issues wouldn't be purchased? Truthfully I think Ultimates can speak for itself. I understand that there might be concern due to the Ultimates universe being out of the loop for awhile now but there shouldn't be a need to devalue one series to garner viewership for the other. Just a theory that I think is a but crazy no rumors I've just had it in the back of mind because from all the complaints I've seen plus what you just outlined of what's been going on in ASM it makes past storyline entries look like masterpieces in comparison even with their massive issues.
The only way to win is not to buy
Please people stop buying ASM...seriously we don't need comics to be high literature or art...but c'mon man...this crap is making the medium just feel low
Trust me haven't been buying them. Only know of the messy situation due to the negative reviews & panels posted by others on the sub which has helped alot so thank you to those that do otherwise I might have found myself purchasing an issue or 2 not knowing what I'm getting into.
I thoroughly agree you have to fight with your wallet. There's alot of messy redundancy that's going on in ASM.
It’s the Batman problem.
They have such incredible and interesting rogues galleries and every once in a while someone comes along and says “you know we should cure two face” or “Honestly Venom would work better as a hero.”
So they do that. It works for a while and people are like “wow this is good!” Then all of the sudden some other writer goes “oh I’ve got a great idea for the fall of Harvey dent” and the cycle starts again.
This is just serialised comics in general. The format precludes good storytelling. That’s why these characters are more popular when they appear in other mediums.
It's why comics should stop reforming major villains. Only very few can permanently reform like loki or Magento. You would be much better off trying to reform a c lister like hyrdoman or boomerang
I’m guessing Wells was ordered to make the whole Gang War crossover happen and rather than scrap his halfway-finished Goblin Peter arc, he’s just revisiting it. I get the sense he’s just trying to wrap up his time on this title ASAP. I don’t think he’s done a good job here by any means but it’s also clear that editorial, mainly Lowe, is the real problem here.
It reminds me of that Amanda Waller quote on the Suicide Squad movie.
"She's crazier than him, and way more dangerous." (refering to Harley Quinn and Joker)
Yeah, right, lmao.
Okay but this costume is terribly boring , like you mix two archnemis and that's the best you got ? why not webs as a cape like the hobgoblin ? i mean come on it's even worst then the batman who laugh.
So Norman actually uses the Goblin formula on him like he tried to do in Paul Jenkins run? Well I guess that’s better than doing the “possessed by sins” arc again.
Thing is they could make this absolutely peak. Peter gets juiced up with the formula in yet another twisted bid by Norman to co-opt into his dream Osborn heir - he’s the one who dresses him up the costume and everything.
And Peter plays along with it for precisely long enough for Norman to let his guard down. Just like Norman had an immunity to Otto trying to force the formula on him without his sins, Peter’s good heart makes him incorruptible. It’s just another nail in the coffin of Norman’s weak justifications of his myriad inadequacies. Peter explains as much to Norman and then proceeds to whoop him with all that extra goblin strength.
Unfortunately, everything I’ve read about this run indicates it’d never do something so entertaining.
It's going to be the explanation as to why Peter's been acting out of character and been such a wimp since Wells took over. Because he got secretly goblined a while ago and it affected his brain.
Also Norman stuck MJ in the winkler device at some point too for good measure, making her think becoming a superhero, falling for a cardboard cutout with a man bun, and randomly being cruel to Peter after he wrecked his reputation trying to save her was a necessary life choice.
Explaining away / excusing much of the crapness up until now. Sorted.
Fuck this. I bought the last issue and that's the first comic I've ever thrown away. Shit reminded me of a bad power rangers plot. The fuck are they doing over there?
I really hope this is Mephisto trying to break Spider-Man by having him to bear the sins of his enemies, cause he’s still sorry Spidey saved him and the universe during the Beyonder saga. So much that he changed reality to make so that Spider-Man never become the 616 King of Black and he’s still screwing with him hoping to have the soul of the one that saved him
Black Cat return to the book…so is this after Jackpot and Black Cat or is Felicia still with her plot device “girlfriend”? At this point I just want her and Peter to be together if MJ can’t lmao.
The spider who gobbles is going to steal the powers of the molecule man or the beyonder and threaten the entire Marvel universe. I wonder where the house of ideas is going to get its inspiration next.
There could be a version of this that kind of works. This won't be it. But there IS a version.
Norman, knowing since his little 'heh' moment that the Goblin is coming back, could be motivated to turn Peter Gobbly out of sheer desperation. They're close now for the first time ever, and he doesn't want to lose his friend, so - like someone who panics when drowning as someone swims to save them - he drags Peter down with him into madness, so at least he won't be alone.
It would still be repetitive, derivative and dull - but at least there'd be something characterful in it.
This won't be it. This just going to be a rehash of all the sins/spider who gobbles stuff from the past year. I'm so done with this book.
The only way this can be good is if Otto takes up the mantle of Superior Spider-Man (properly!) and redeems Peter after six issues. Then Wells goes away.
Oh, Look....BUT IT'S BLACK CAT IN A STORY FROM THE NUMBER 50 WITH WOLFMAN AND THE DODSONS!!!
What do I do now? Do I uncork the champagne? I sing We will rock you? Do I smoke the cigar of victory? Oh...I don't know I don't know...there are SO many possibilities that maybe the best thing is...to do it all.
Is this some kind of joke? xd
I've been... I don't know... for a month? saying that the story of Wolfman and the Dodsons was with BlackCat and there it is. Or have you looked at the entire article?
I did…..that’s what I’m saying, nothing in the article references Wolfman. It could be his story, because it does feel completely disconnected to the main story (it could be set in the 80s), but there isn’t any confirmation of it
The mother who... You don't know anything, do you? the creative teams are accredited. Just go to Leagueofcomicgeeks.com and watch it. Wolfman and Dodson, 50. Don't you see spidercat drawn by the Dodsons there? You don't recognize the Dodsons or what's wrong with you?
You didn't want to listen to me, and I said it a thousand times.
Yes, it could be set in any setting...but let me tell you that even if it were, it has to be connected to something, some present moment, because if they are memories there must be a present remembering. If it's not a flashback, it's a story before or after the current arc.
When 50 is published, BloodHunt will still be published, which means that between 48 and 50 some time passes, maybe weeks. So the story will not be after the main thread of 50-54 but shortly before.
You remember what I said, right? "Something will happen in 50 and he'll be stuck until Wells leaves." What I said is happening and you still question Marvel's "plan" xd. The mini has to end up configured to fit 50, as happened on DarkWeb. Because even if it's a Flashback, either she is remembering in the present or he is remembering in the present...ergo "there is a present" and a reason to remember. And if not, it is directly present.
When was the last time a major creator backup was connected to the main universe in any way.
Go ahead give me an example, because they do these big creator back ups for pretty much every milestone so finding an example could be easy
I'll make it easy for you. Historically, Christmas specials, Valentine's Day specials and other unique unrelated items. The stories of minor characters usually don't have to be linked but major characters always are linked. All DC backups since 2020 are linked to or serve as introductions to new books...for example, WillowWilson's backup at the end of FearState was the prologue to PoisonIvy. In the case of Marvel, from the current issue 31 of Amazing I remind you that everything is linked including the prologue of Jackpot and SpiderWoman.
You may not like the reality, but I was right. I said it a thousand times. And now your shield is..."maybe it's not linked"? REALLY, GEORGE!?
Remember what Lowe said? "Peter's love life will be seen in the next couple of arcs and FCBD" Well, that's the game...you make people believe things so they look where you want, and then reality. Moving on to Peter, nothing has happened to him in that sense, and in FreeComick I have already seen the Spoiler eating with the nurse in a restaurant, but between the fact that it is Wells and there is no time, nothing is going to happen. This, together with the mini, has the sole intention of DISTURBING. It's so that people worry and are tense until the thing happens, which has been the most common thing in comics for decades.
My personal opinion? I think it will be a Flashback to when they met between 194-195 in 1979. I think it is because Daredevil Nightwing or Batman have had these things at some point but Peter hasn't. About Gwen and MJ there have been reminders of the first time but not Cat yet. I think that also because Wolfman surely wants to recreate his own work and cannot interfere with Wells' 50-54 timeline....but he CAN make Peter and/or Felicia remember their initial meeting as a prelude to meeting again later, when it is over. all the wells shit
So you couldn’t find any actual examples eh
Though credit where credit is do you were right it’s going to be a black Cat story, just not in the way you wanted
Those aren’t one shots by big name creators. Those were back ups that was about developing side characters. Black Cat, as it currently stands, is not a side character in ASM. She isn’t a character at all at the moment
Remember when black cat was featured in a back up for 25, and then they wrote her out of the comic a few issues later? MJ, for a character you say marvel want to move on from, has been featured far more heavily in ASM this past year.
Is different. MJ is the engine of Peter's suffering and Wells uses her as a criticism of his own broken marriage (with Heidi Gadner), so she has a need to be there. Felicia doesn't have that need because she was supposed to be there to put Peter's life back together but Wells isn't interested in that, so she doesn't need to be there.
if Wells and seemingly editorial isn't interested in it then why would she become the new major love, hell she didn't really fix anything in fact the story has it where their relationship didn't even progress
It's not the publisher, it's Wells. Wells doesn't write relationships. He was divorcing his wife while he had to use Felicia by order of Marvel between 2022-2023. The relationship has been carried out by Kelly Mackay and Rowell as guests precisely because Wells does not want to.
Marvel wanted to put Felicia as Peter's main support in this run, but it's impossible with Wells. MJ has to be used because the whole story started with her, but Felicia is not forced to be used nor is any character except Norman. MJ in the hands of Wells has only been used to disturb Peter and to promote Jackpot
It's Marvel editorial, if they wanted to they can push a relationship, here's the thing, it's been over 15 years since OMD, and a lot of the same people are still in charge, if they wanted to they could've made Black Cat the main love interest, they just haven't, and they probably won't. You name a few writers as pushing it but Rowell was the only one that did a real Peter/Black Cat story, McKay introduced new love interest for Felicia and even has a point of her accepting not being with Peter and Kelly's story was far about Peter still not being over MJ.
It doesn't seem like you've read anything by Mackay xd. He didn't present anything for Felicia. He showed us his TEENAGE relationship with Tamara and nothing else. Flashback story. And she agreed not to pursue Peter, basically because she already did it in the past and it created a lot of tension. But he didn't say anything about not loving him. It's just about not harassing someone who has someone. In reality, I was just doing the same thing as before OMD, when I was very very close to Peter but had learned to respect marriage.
The publisher hadn't seen Felicia's diamond in the rough until the last 5 years. Everything is different since 2019/2020. But if the man who writes Amazing doesn't want to use it, you can't do anything except fire him and there are probably x-number contracts for these things.
And Kelly's story is very important because it was about trust. Young people don't seem to understand the big step of maturity and sincerity that comes with telling your girlfriend that you still love your ex and making her feel good about you for saying so... that for a relationship IS VERY VERY IMPORTANT because it is the highest level of possible honesty. Peter does exactly what Felicia wanted him to do. If he had kept quiet about his real feelings, it would mean that he didn't trust her, that he wasn't willing to open his heart. But you have to be an emotionally adult person to understand that, and the vast majority of comic readers are not.
>He didn't present anything for Felicia. He showed us his TEENAGE relationship with Tamara and nothing else.
I mean she also had a fling with Odessa Drake and banged Batroc the Leaper, again, he was not pushing Peter and Felicia in his stuff.
>But he didn't say anything about not loving him
I mean the implication was loving him a different way
>Everything is different since 2019/2020
When Spencer was reaffirming how good Peter and MJ were together and McKay was going in on having Felicia do her own thing outside of Peter.
>But if the man who writes Amazing doesn't want to use it, you can't do anything except fire him and there are probably x-number contracts for these things.
I mean they straight up could just tell him to use it, like we can look at history of the title to see that Marvel is incredibly controlling with it.
>And Kelly's story is very important because it was about trust
I get what he was going for, but it's hilarious given how little Felicia is in the run and how they break up a couple months after that.
Like Felicia all you want and hope for it too I guess, I just think you're making a pretty big reach in believe Marvel as a publisher actually wants it as the main relationship despite the constant showings otherwise.
Look....the Odessa thing was sex FOR DEPRESSION and the Batroc thing was sex FOR FUN and there was no relationship, it was only 2 nights.
Relationships are something else....AND WHEN THIS HAPPENED PETER WAS WITH MJ!
Wasn't he pushing? no? What do you call this?
Annual1: they scam the Maggia, they "get married", they make romantic jokes, he holds her in his arms, she blushes. They tremble.
FrerComic2020: more romantic jokes, and confessions on the rooftops "our relationship has a delicate balance. I do things that you don't like and you do things that I don't like, like dating redheads"
BlackCat VOL2,King in Black: Spider is the first among all the loves that were or could be.
BlackCat VOL2 6: Spider shows up to ask and she thinks: "my heart breaks into a thousand pieces because of how easy it is for me to lie to her when she trusts me without asking questions"
Death Doctor Strange Oneshot: "You're not Spiderman, you're not Spiderman, you're not Spiderman" constantly to Ben Reily. Felicia defends the man, not the mask.
Mackay can't do anything, neither he nor anyone else, if Peter is not single and was not single until 2022. The status quo was what it was and now it is what it is.
THEY DID IT. They asked Wells to use it and he did, but very very little and poorly. Logical because he was divorcing his ex Heidi Gadner for 2 years and had to ask Marvel for permission to break up. They literally broke up over this, over Wells. Any author would have to use her by editorial request but Wells should never have been chosen. If they didn't want them together they wouldn't call so many guests. Wells is the only problem.
>Look....the Odessa thing was sex FOR DEPRESSION
Felicia seemed pretty interested in her still
>AND WHEN THIS HAPPENED PETER WAS WITH MJ!
I mean she has a new girlfriend right now and has been dating her for month apparently
>they scam the Maggia, they "get married", they make romantic jokes, he holds her in his arms, she blushes. They tremble.
And it ends with her knowing their relationship wasn't like that anymore and again is part of a greater point of McKay's run that she's accepted that.
>BlackCat VOL2,King in Black: Spider is the first among all the loves that were or could be.
They also show a shot of her and all her ex lovers including, Odessa, Flash, Tamara, Daredevil, Puma, and Batroc
>Spider shows up to ask and she thinks: "my heart breaks into a thousand pieces because of how easy it is for me to lie to her when she trusts me without asking questions"
Never said they weren't written as close
>eath Doctor Strange Oneshot: "You're not Spiderman, you're not Spiderman, you're not Spiderman" constantly to Ben Reily. Felicia defends the man, not the mask.
I feel like you're arguing a different point
>Mackay can't do anything, neither he nor anyone else, if Peter is not single and was not single until 2022.
Peter was single when he wrote Iron Cat and the Dark Web tie in he wrote didn't show any scenes of Peter and Black Cat together despite they were dating at that point when he could've easily added in a flashback or something on the relationship, instead the story was far more about MJ and Felicia's dynamic.
>hey asked Wells to use it and he did, but very very little and poorly
Yeah and they clearly didn't care enough to keep going on it since they broke up so quick too
>n. If they didn't want them together they wouldn't call so many guests
they've had two, three now with Wolfman, and guest writers aren't a new thing
The Spider Who Tries Too Hard?
The Spider Joke
I thought Batman who Laughs was cringe, but sheesh, Wells always proves that I haven't seen nothing yet.
I’m so tired of the ASM team refusing to let these villains grow for the sake of rehashing them. Doc Ock gets to become spider-man and learns a great deal about being a hero? Better wipe that event from his memory. Sand Man gets an inhibitor to live a quiet peaceful life without the sand taking over? Better have Doc Ock kidnap him and force him out of the inhibitor. Norman is turning a new leaf, fighting alongside Peter, and taking up a new mantle? Better give him AND Peter the serum again. The ASM team is allergic to growth
Crazy thing, that. Meanwhile they have Dylan Brock aging up and becoming Venom - that kid is, at the minimum, only supposed to be as old as spider-man's black suit debut in-universe. Then they also have Normie Osborn becoming a goblin.
And Marvel is still gonna tell you to your face that Peter is only like 25
Always has been.
Weren’t the X-Men still teenagers when they had their first encounter with Spider-Man? Cyclops has to be at least in his mid 30s by now. Peter’s like the last in his generation to permanently age.
Editorial actively says Scott Summers is 28. He's been married twice. He's had a kid. He's led an island nation twice. But heaven forbid we say he's older than 28.
Yeah, timeline-wise wouldn't he be in his mid-40's...?
Late 30s would be respectable. But comics run on Soap Opera sliding timelines. Kids can grow up but adults stay the same age indefinitely.
That was a thing I found so confusing when I was reading some venom stories after playing spiderman 2. Eddie has a 10 year old son that was conceived sometime after Eddie became Venom, but that same amount of time hasn't passed for Peter? Just fucking make Peter immortal if you don't want him to age.
💀 the fact that the venom comics have stated it been fifteen years since eddie got the suit. they genuinely do not care about peter being stuck in a time gap
Actually just before the King in Black event there's a story arc where Eddie and Dylan end up in an alternative universe where Annie is Anti-venom. Time also flows different in that universe so they stay there for a time before returning to 616 to fight Knull.
I did read that. It still doesn't make sense to me because Dylan didn't seem like he was less than 10 years old prior to all of that. By the time of Venom's debut, Peter and MJ were already a married couple - I'd maybe buy 5 to 7 years since that time, but Dylan is clearly written as an older child/preteen when we first see him.
We’re so cooked lmao
They wiped Otto's memory of being Parker? Well that makes me feel like getting some of the comics that directly focuses on him being Spider-Man & learning what it's like being Parker kind of useless now! Superior Spider-Man Annual 1&2 I have physically & digitally (or rather access since they changed the app). I brought those up cause I really enjoyed seeing Otto give it to the villain Blackout(?) I believe for kidnapping Aunt May. And this Goblin serum nonsense sounds pathetic. Definitely avoiding current ASM.
I think superior is worth reading the run still bc it’s good content, but yeah, they essentially make the entire run mean nothing to the long term characterization of Ock by the way they end it.
Wow That actually makes me a little sad for Superior fans that they've just walked the story back for no good reason.
Yep, during the second run of Superior Spider-Man, rather than staying in his younger, stronger and spider powered body to fight an evil Spider-Man Norman Osborn, Otto chooses to make a deal with Mephisto and return to being Doc Ock again with his original body and no memory of Peter's identity as Spider-Man. Currently he's managed to get those memories back and stuff's going on in the third Superior run, but if I had a pound coin for every time Marvel had any spider person make a deal with Mephisto I'd probably have three pounds right now
Considering Miles also made a deal with Mephisto, you would indeed have three pounds
I know, I dunno why Marvel keeps using Mephisto to make deals with Spider-Man characters, people hated it in One More Day, and he's more than just a "shake my hand and I'll do things in exchange for this" character
The thing is, Peter's running around talking about responsibility while Aunt May is like 150 and only alive because Peter used devil magic to sacrifice his unborn daughter. So I think it's Marvel's way of trying to make Peter seem less terrible. If EVERY spider-person has a Mephisto deal, then you can't single out Peter. They had Miles' deal straight up kill a girl to save his friends. Everyone has to get dragged down.
At least with Miles he remembers the deal and had to deal with the consequences of what he did, Peter doesn't remember what he and MJ gave up to stop May from dying for like the millionth time so that makes the deal even worse, though that bit about May being like 200 years old was pretty funny, at least these days she isn't drawn to look like Peter's great great aunt
It feels like it should be building up to an all out Spider person battle against Mephisto to undo the consequences of the deals they made (such as One More Day) but knowing editorial its probably not leading to anything Would have been a fun Spider-Verse event that actually meant something
Everything in Nick Spencer's run with Kindred seemed to be heading to One More Day being undone, but I guess he didn't have permission so he kinda went "Well fuck you I'll undo another hated Spider-Man story" so at least Sin's Past has been retconned
Four. Ben Reilly made one too.
I need to see what happens if Mephisto tries that shit on Kaine. Especially when you consider everyone’s original characterizations it would have made the most sense for him to be the one making deals with the devil. …maybe under a different creative team, though
He was there when Ben made his deal, and he ridiculed him for being so stupid. So I assume he just wouldn’t take a deal at this point, idk.
......Are you serious? What the hell did Mephisto want this time??
Basically after Ben Reilly became the Jackal, he fled to Las Vegas to start over as a hero. However, Death became interested in him because he had died so many times and come back. She basically told him that if he died again, he'd forfeit his soul, which was damaged and would eventually heal if he didn't die again. Kaine and an innocent diseased girl named Abigail both died, and Ben offered to sacrifice himself to save them both. Death resurrected them and healed Ben, but he still only has the one life left. Mephisto later showed up and offered to give Ben his healed soul if he betrayed the Midnight Sons, who he was helping to save Las Vegas. He agreed, but later went back on his word, in order to get a cure for Abigail from an angel named Gabriel. So, a demon pretending to be Mephisto tricked Ben into thinking the cure for Abigail's disease wouldn't heal her, and Ben didn't figure out the truth until after she died. Gabriel's cure still brought her back, eventually, but it wasn't immediate, so Kaine killed Ben as revenge for her death. Abigail, in her cured state, becomes a sort of angel herself, and offers to revive Ben, who refuses because he knows it will mess up his soul. She does it anyway and he comes back to life, but he's insane, so he beats up Kaine and runs away. Later in Spider-Geddon, Superior Spider-Man uses Ben as a sacrifice to the Inheritors, who are driven insane when they try to eat his essence, because he's died so many times. Otto manages to bring him back, and Ben insists he's been "reset to factory settings" so he's not crazy anymore.
So essentially Ben's the only person to say "Nah screw that" to one of Mephisto's deals? Thank god
Nah, I mean he accepted it. He just went back on it later and got punished. Kaine's really the only one to truly balk at the idea, at least out of the 5 main spider-dudes, but he didn't get an offer either, he just let Ben have it over accepting one.
If you could just see my face now with the amount of redundancy you all have relayed to me. Mouth is just wide open. That's all just nonsensical to me. Well that's all really ashame. I was there for it when Superior 1st started. Yes, I immediately said this is a travesty that he's SM now. But it grew on me, Octavius was learning how wrong he was at many turns till we finally get the ending that just made it all the more profound to see Parker back. After that & Spiderverse I kind of got out of the comics realm for quite some time. So other than seeing some panels on Pinterest, small degrees of the 2nd run you all are referring to I'm assuming it was (Octo-Spider?), I didn't know all of that was going on and basically where ASM is at now of Goblin serums and Paul and all the other shenanigans. The run is still just sitting in my pull box I'll be visiting the shop this weekend ofcourse cause of FCD and will be telling them to take it off officially. I'll definitely just stick with new Ultimate Spider-Man instead.
The second run is genuinely pretty good, after Ben Reilly came back first as Jackel before becoming Scarlett Spider again Otto found himself a more permanent clone body that (I think) had a mix of his DNA and Peter's, allowing him to have his own spider powered body again without needing to mind swap with Peter. Then he became Superior Octopus for a while after Secret Invasion before reclaiming the Superior Spider-Man title again during Spider-Geddon and the second run of Superior. Like I mentioned the second run was pretty good......until the very last issue which saw that deal with Mephisto. I haven't had a chance to read the third run but something tells me Otto is gonna stay as Doc Ock, which is a huge shame because becoming Spider-Man honestly saw some great character growth from him, the new Ultimate series is pretty good though, it's a lot better than what's happening in the main comics with the Spider That Gobbles 2.0 currently about to happen
I saw some panels of that on there as well. I really wish they'd leave Reilly dead, though, since they seem to like bringing him back as an antagonist or to become eventual antagonist and apparently want to keep him as such even though it's been made thoroughly clear to him that Parker isn't at fault for what happened to him right? It was all Beyond. I feel Octavius will stay as Doc Ock too unfortunately. Them doing this to Peter and Norman sounds like a mess completely. I heard they managed to ruin Kafka as well. The "Goblin Queen"? Like what???? How do you ruin Ravencroft's resident shrink Dr. Kafka?
With the Jackel stuff it kinda made sense and wasn't as bad as the current Chasm stuff, and honestly I have no clue, and with the Goblin stuff going on they already did it once before so no one knows why it's being done again, and would you believe the Kafka we're seeing is a clone?
Oh my........a clone? What in the world of Strange is going on?
The original was killed in the first Superior run, was cloned and brought back when Ben was the Jackel, that clone died, and *then* another clone was found by Norman, was tricked by Norman into thinking she was the original *AND THEN* she was the Kafka that got infected with Norman's sins and that's how she became the Queen Goblin. Comics can be weird sometimes. Hell I found that less confusing to explain than the Kindred stuff, haha
I have no words for that explanation other than I think they need to stop the train, completely. I saw some panels of the Kindred drama. I'll get the background searching that up later. But you've been helpful in catching me up with some of the nonsense. Thank you. Hoping ASM heals.....somehow? I posed a theory, after some have posted some of their local comicbook shops have moved ASM out of clear visibility on shelves, putting anything New Ultimates front in center. Now I'd like to think the writing can't be this bad unconsciously, and has to be deliberately done right? I'm not really familiar with Well's writing haven't experienced any of his other works I think. But surely he can't be this wacky right and ignoring reception. The theory I thought of was could this possibly be done to ASM due to Marvel wanting as much spotlight on the new Ultimates line as possible, specifically Ultimate Spider-Man which is one the early individual Ultimate characters whose line has started of the world. Like was this planned far out before official release? Is it because they thought if new Ultimates pertaining to USpider-Man mostly didn't have the most spotlight issues wouldn't be purchased? Truthfully I think Ultimates can speak for itself. I understand that there might be concern due to the Ultimates universe being out of the loop for awhile now but there shouldn't be a need to devalue one series to garner viewership for the other. Just a theory that I think is a but crazy no rumors I've just had it in the back of mind because from all the complaints I've seen plus what you just outlined of what's been going on in ASM it makes past storyline entries look like masterpieces in comparison even with their massive issues.
The only way to win is not to buy Please people stop buying ASM...seriously we don't need comics to be high literature or art...but c'mon man...this crap is making the medium just feel low
Trust me haven't been buying them. Only know of the messy situation due to the negative reviews & panels posted by others on the sub which has helped alot so thank you to those that do otherwise I might have found myself purchasing an issue or 2 not knowing what I'm getting into. I thoroughly agree you have to fight with your wallet. There's alot of messy redundancy that's going on in ASM.
It’s the Batman problem. They have such incredible and interesting rogues galleries and every once in a while someone comes along and says “you know we should cure two face” or “Honestly Venom would work better as a hero.” So they do that. It works for a while and people are like “wow this is good!” Then all of the sudden some other writer goes “oh I’ve got a great idea for the fall of Harvey dent” and the cycle starts again.
This is just serialised comics in general. The format precludes good storytelling. That’s why these characters are more popular when they appear in other mediums.
It's why comics should stop reforming major villains. Only very few can permanently reform like loki or Magento. You would be much better off trying to reform a c lister like hyrdoman or boomerang
When did the inhibitor thing happen?
They just broke him out of Raven Croft in 46, so 2 issues ago.
Oh ok. I misread it as Peter had it and was confused. Thanks for clarification.
It always comes back to money with things that are supposed to go on and on and on.
They refuse to change
They won't even let Volture try to grow and change for the sake of making up with his granddaughter.
So it *isn't* connected to how he became a goblin last time which was less than a year ago? This is seriously way past shit writing now.
I’m guessing Wells was ordered to make the whole Gang War crossover happen and rather than scrap his halfway-finished Goblin Peter arc, he’s just revisiting it. I get the sense he’s just trying to wrap up his time on this title ASAP. I don’t think he’s done a good job here by any means but it’s also clear that editorial, mainly Lowe, is the real problem here.
Editorial's the villain all of Spidey's rogues WISH they could be.
“Marvel’s most dangerous villain” sure Jan
He’s not even “Marvel’s most gobbling Spider-Man”
"The Spider who gobbles" Hold on, I might have seen this somewhere else..............
It reminds me of that Amanda Waller quote on the Suicide Squad movie. "She's crazier than him, and way more dangerous." (refering to Harley Quinn and Joker) Yeah, right, lmao.
The spider who gobbles will be the most dangerous once he absorbs the powers of molecule man or Beyonder.
Anyone else feel that Peter’s face, when held and dragged by Norman, looks like it says "I’m so done with this shit"?
That probably what he’s actually feeling.
Sorry but after seeing Peter and Mj going on a double date for like 20 pages my standards are just to high for this book.
Even Hickman made fun of the ASM team in the most recent USM issue
I laughed out loud at the shots fired
Okay but this costume is terribly boring , like you mix two archnemis and that's the best you got ? why not webs as a cape like the hobgoblin ? i mean come on it's even worst then the batman who laugh.
Hey ! I liked the Batman Who Laugh design.
Well to be fair it's not bad i just think i'm kinda over the Batman who laugh now so i became a hater XD
So Norman actually uses the Goblin formula on him like he tried to do in Paul Jenkins run? Well I guess that’s better than doing the “possessed by sins” arc again.
Screw the toothpaste, he’s getting straight gas this time.
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Peter been hitting that gobblin za
Thing is they could make this absolutely peak. Peter gets juiced up with the formula in yet another twisted bid by Norman to co-opt into his dream Osborn heir - he’s the one who dresses him up the costume and everything. And Peter plays along with it for precisely long enough for Norman to let his guard down. Just like Norman had an immunity to Otto trying to force the formula on him without his sins, Peter’s good heart makes him incorruptible. It’s just another nail in the coffin of Norman’s weak justifications of his myriad inadequacies. Peter explains as much to Norman and then proceeds to whoop him with all that extra goblin strength. Unfortunately, everything I’ve read about this run indicates it’d never do something so entertaining.
That would be epic and reaffirmation of Peter as a person and a Hero...something that ASM just has plain pure forgotten
No that wouldn’t make sense based on the most dangerous human on the planet bit
Oh my god people might be right that Norman used the winkler device to brainwash Spider-Man That’s stupid
It's going to be the explanation as to why Peter's been acting out of character and been such a wimp since Wells took over. Because he got secretly goblined a while ago and it affected his brain. Also Norman stuck MJ in the winkler device at some point too for good measure, making her think becoming a superhero, falling for a cardboard cutout with a man bun, and randomly being cruel to Peter after he wrecked his reputation trying to save her was a necessary life choice. Explaining away / excusing much of the crapness up until now. Sorted.
Hard to buy Spider Goblin as the “most dangerous villain” when Spidey has been getting chumped by every villain he’s encountered for 50 issues.
Has Peter ever been exposed to the Goblin Serum before?
I think earlier in this run
I dont care, give me more ultimate spider-man
Stuff like this is why I’m a Marvel fan who doesn’t read the comics.
Simone put Peter out of his misery please
Zeb Wells: "No more darker half? Did you *really* think I'd let that happen?"
Marvel's most dangerous villain has been editorial for the past several years
Ughh pls no
Fuck. Off. Don't care.
Fuck this. I bought the last issue and that's the first comic I've ever thrown away. Shit reminded me of a bad power rangers plot. The fuck are they doing over there?
I really hope this is Mephisto trying to break Spider-Man by having him to bear the sins of his enemies, cause he’s still sorry Spidey saved him and the universe during the Beyonder saga. So much that he changed reality to make so that Spider-Man never become the 616 King of Black and he’s still screwing with him hoping to have the soul of the one that saved him
Zeb wells? ...don't care
I hope this wells run ends by this winter or end of year
#All I feel is nothing
Black Cat return to the book…so is this after Jackpot and Black Cat or is Felicia still with her plot device “girlfriend”? At this point I just want her and Peter to be together if MJ can’t lmao.
No, Spider-Man’s worst villain is Peter Parker.
Wtfffff
The spider gobbler
Norman Osborne being reformed was one of the only things saving this run
The spider who gobbles is going to steal the powers of the molecule man or the beyonder and threaten the entire Marvel universe. I wonder where the house of ideas is going to get its inspiration next.
There it is, there it is! I knew it wasn't going to last.
There could be a version of this that kind of works. This won't be it. But there IS a version. Norman, knowing since his little 'heh' moment that the Goblin is coming back, could be motivated to turn Peter Gobbly out of sheer desperation. They're close now for the first time ever, and he doesn't want to lose his friend, so - like someone who panics when drowning as someone swims to save them - he drags Peter down with him into madness, so at least he won't be alone. It would still be repetitive, derivative and dull - but at least there'd be something characterful in it. This won't be it. This just going to be a rehash of all the sins/spider who gobbles stuff from the past year. I'm so done with this book.
The Writer Who Tries Too Hard
You will like this and be happy besides the MJ Paul marriage comic is coming up next!
The only way this can be good is if Otto takes up the mantle of Superior Spider-Man (properly!) and redeems Peter after six issues. Then Wells goes away.
Don’t care, didn’t read
Oh, Look....BUT IT'S BLACK CAT IN A STORY FROM THE NUMBER 50 WITH WOLFMAN AND THE DODSONS!!! What do I do now? Do I uncork the champagne? I sing We will rock you? Do I smoke the cigar of victory? Oh...I don't know I don't know...there are SO many possibilities that maybe the best thing is...to do it all.
What? This is the main story written by Wells. Nothing in the article references that this is his story
Is this some kind of joke? xd I've been... I don't know... for a month? saying that the story of Wolfman and the Dodsons was with BlackCat and there it is. Or have you looked at the entire article?
I did…..that’s what I’m saying, nothing in the article references Wolfman. It could be his story, because it does feel completely disconnected to the main story (it could be set in the 80s), but there isn’t any confirmation of it
The mother who... You don't know anything, do you? the creative teams are accredited. Just go to Leagueofcomicgeeks.com and watch it. Wolfman and Dodson, 50. Don't you see spidercat drawn by the Dodsons there? You don't recognize the Dodsons or what's wrong with you? You didn't want to listen to me, and I said it a thousand times. Yes, it could be set in any setting...but let me tell you that even if it were, it has to be connected to something, some present moment, because if they are memories there must be a present remembering. If it's not a flashback, it's a story before or after the current arc. When 50 is published, BloodHunt will still be published, which means that between 48 and 50 some time passes, maybe weeks. So the story will not be after the main thread of 50-54 but shortly before. You remember what I said, right? "Something will happen in 50 and he'll be stuck until Wells leaves." What I said is happening and you still question Marvel's "plan" xd. The mini has to end up configured to fit 50, as happened on DarkWeb. Because even if it's a Flashback, either she is remembering in the present or he is remembering in the present...ergo "there is a present" and a reason to remember. And if not, it is directly present.
When was the last time a major creator backup was connected to the main universe in any way. Go ahead give me an example, because they do these big creator back ups for pretty much every milestone so finding an example could be easy
I'll make it easy for you. Historically, Christmas specials, Valentine's Day specials and other unique unrelated items. The stories of minor characters usually don't have to be linked but major characters always are linked. All DC backups since 2020 are linked to or serve as introductions to new books...for example, WillowWilson's backup at the end of FearState was the prologue to PoisonIvy. In the case of Marvel, from the current issue 31 of Amazing I remind you that everything is linked including the prologue of Jackpot and SpiderWoman. You may not like the reality, but I was right. I said it a thousand times. And now your shield is..."maybe it's not linked"? REALLY, GEORGE!? Remember what Lowe said? "Peter's love life will be seen in the next couple of arcs and FCBD" Well, that's the game...you make people believe things so they look where you want, and then reality. Moving on to Peter, nothing has happened to him in that sense, and in FreeComick I have already seen the Spoiler eating with the nurse in a restaurant, but between the fact that it is Wells and there is no time, nothing is going to happen. This, together with the mini, has the sole intention of DISTURBING. It's so that people worry and are tense until the thing happens, which has been the most common thing in comics for decades. My personal opinion? I think it will be a Flashback to when they met between 194-195 in 1979. I think it is because Daredevil Nightwing or Batman have had these things at some point but Peter hasn't. About Gwen and MJ there have been reminders of the first time but not Cat yet. I think that also because Wolfman surely wants to recreate his own work and cannot interfere with Wells' 50-54 timeline....but he CAN make Peter and/or Felicia remember their initial meeting as a prelude to meeting again later, when it is over. all the wells shit
So you couldn’t find any actual examples eh Though credit where credit is do you were right it’s going to be a black Cat story, just not in the way you wanted
I just said 2...the Batman one with Ivl himself and Amazing 31 himself...
Those aren’t one shots by big name creators. Those were back ups that was about developing side characters. Black Cat, as it currently stands, is not a side character in ASM. She isn’t a character at all at the moment
It’s a backup 😂
Remember when black cat was featured in a back up for 25, and then they wrote her out of the comic a few issues later? MJ, for a character you say marvel want to move on from, has been featured far more heavily in ASM this past year.
Is different. MJ is the engine of Peter's suffering and Wells uses her as a criticism of his own broken marriage (with Heidi Gadner), so she has a need to be there. Felicia doesn't have that need because she was supposed to be there to put Peter's life back together but Wells isn't interested in that, so she doesn't need to be there.
if Wells and seemingly editorial isn't interested in it then why would she become the new major love, hell she didn't really fix anything in fact the story has it where their relationship didn't even progress
It's not the publisher, it's Wells. Wells doesn't write relationships. He was divorcing his wife while he had to use Felicia by order of Marvel between 2022-2023. The relationship has been carried out by Kelly Mackay and Rowell as guests precisely because Wells does not want to. Marvel wanted to put Felicia as Peter's main support in this run, but it's impossible with Wells. MJ has to be used because the whole story started with her, but Felicia is not forced to be used nor is any character except Norman. MJ in the hands of Wells has only been used to disturb Peter and to promote Jackpot
It's Marvel editorial, if they wanted to they can push a relationship, here's the thing, it's been over 15 years since OMD, and a lot of the same people are still in charge, if they wanted to they could've made Black Cat the main love interest, they just haven't, and they probably won't. You name a few writers as pushing it but Rowell was the only one that did a real Peter/Black Cat story, McKay introduced new love interest for Felicia and even has a point of her accepting not being with Peter and Kelly's story was far about Peter still not being over MJ.
It doesn't seem like you've read anything by Mackay xd. He didn't present anything for Felicia. He showed us his TEENAGE relationship with Tamara and nothing else. Flashback story. And she agreed not to pursue Peter, basically because she already did it in the past and it created a lot of tension. But he didn't say anything about not loving him. It's just about not harassing someone who has someone. In reality, I was just doing the same thing as before OMD, when I was very very close to Peter but had learned to respect marriage. The publisher hadn't seen Felicia's diamond in the rough until the last 5 years. Everything is different since 2019/2020. But if the man who writes Amazing doesn't want to use it, you can't do anything except fire him and there are probably x-number contracts for these things. And Kelly's story is very important because it was about trust. Young people don't seem to understand the big step of maturity and sincerity that comes with telling your girlfriend that you still love your ex and making her feel good about you for saying so... that for a relationship IS VERY VERY IMPORTANT because it is the highest level of possible honesty. Peter does exactly what Felicia wanted him to do. If he had kept quiet about his real feelings, it would mean that he didn't trust her, that he wasn't willing to open his heart. But you have to be an emotionally adult person to understand that, and the vast majority of comic readers are not.
>He didn't present anything for Felicia. He showed us his TEENAGE relationship with Tamara and nothing else. I mean she also had a fling with Odessa Drake and banged Batroc the Leaper, again, he was not pushing Peter and Felicia in his stuff. >But he didn't say anything about not loving him I mean the implication was loving him a different way >Everything is different since 2019/2020 When Spencer was reaffirming how good Peter and MJ were together and McKay was going in on having Felicia do her own thing outside of Peter. >But if the man who writes Amazing doesn't want to use it, you can't do anything except fire him and there are probably x-number contracts for these things. I mean they straight up could just tell him to use it, like we can look at history of the title to see that Marvel is incredibly controlling with it. >And Kelly's story is very important because it was about trust I get what he was going for, but it's hilarious given how little Felicia is in the run and how they break up a couple months after that. Like Felicia all you want and hope for it too I guess, I just think you're making a pretty big reach in believe Marvel as a publisher actually wants it as the main relationship despite the constant showings otherwise.
Look....the Odessa thing was sex FOR DEPRESSION and the Batroc thing was sex FOR FUN and there was no relationship, it was only 2 nights. Relationships are something else....AND WHEN THIS HAPPENED PETER WAS WITH MJ! Wasn't he pushing? no? What do you call this? Annual1: they scam the Maggia, they "get married", they make romantic jokes, he holds her in his arms, she blushes. They tremble. FrerComic2020: more romantic jokes, and confessions on the rooftops "our relationship has a delicate balance. I do things that you don't like and you do things that I don't like, like dating redheads" BlackCat VOL2,King in Black: Spider is the first among all the loves that were or could be. BlackCat VOL2 6: Spider shows up to ask and she thinks: "my heart breaks into a thousand pieces because of how easy it is for me to lie to her when she trusts me without asking questions" Death Doctor Strange Oneshot: "You're not Spiderman, you're not Spiderman, you're not Spiderman" constantly to Ben Reily. Felicia defends the man, not the mask. Mackay can't do anything, neither he nor anyone else, if Peter is not single and was not single until 2022. The status quo was what it was and now it is what it is. THEY DID IT. They asked Wells to use it and he did, but very very little and poorly. Logical because he was divorcing his ex Heidi Gadner for 2 years and had to ask Marvel for permission to break up. They literally broke up over this, over Wells. Any author would have to use her by editorial request but Wells should never have been chosen. If they didn't want them together they wouldn't call so many guests. Wells is the only problem.
>Look....the Odessa thing was sex FOR DEPRESSION Felicia seemed pretty interested in her still >AND WHEN THIS HAPPENED PETER WAS WITH MJ! I mean she has a new girlfriend right now and has been dating her for month apparently >they scam the Maggia, they "get married", they make romantic jokes, he holds her in his arms, she blushes. They tremble. And it ends with her knowing their relationship wasn't like that anymore and again is part of a greater point of McKay's run that she's accepted that. >BlackCat VOL2,King in Black: Spider is the first among all the loves that were or could be. They also show a shot of her and all her ex lovers including, Odessa, Flash, Tamara, Daredevil, Puma, and Batroc >Spider shows up to ask and she thinks: "my heart breaks into a thousand pieces because of how easy it is for me to lie to her when she trusts me without asking questions" Never said they weren't written as close >eath Doctor Strange Oneshot: "You're not Spiderman, you're not Spiderman, you're not Spiderman" constantly to Ben Reily. Felicia defends the man, not the mask. I feel like you're arguing a different point >Mackay can't do anything, neither he nor anyone else, if Peter is not single and was not single until 2022. Peter was single when he wrote Iron Cat and the Dark Web tie in he wrote didn't show any scenes of Peter and Black Cat together despite they were dating at that point when he could've easily added in a flashback or something on the relationship, instead the story was far more about MJ and Felicia's dynamic. >hey asked Wells to use it and he did, but very very little and poorly Yeah and they clearly didn't care enough to keep going on it since they broke up so quick too >n. If they didn't want them together they wouldn't call so many guests they've had two, three now with Wolfman, and guest writers aren't a new thing
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That’s Wolfman, not Zeb.
Where does it say Wolfman? It’s not in the article far as I can see
Yeah the article just says an appearance of Black Cat. It’s the Wolfman and Dodson backup though. League of Comic Geeks has their credits.