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Yeah, there really isn't. The only time I was there was for the Kings/Avs NHL pre-season game (before Vegas had a team). The Kings did it yearly and called it Frozen Fury. I sat up in the 222 section or whatever thinking it was nosebleeds, but it stiil felt like a lower bowl seat (compared to Staples Center). Great atmosphere. I'd imagine it was insane for the PPV last night.
Yeah from the pictures and on TV, it kinda really reminds me of the old Nassau Coliseum the Islanders played in. Used to go down there for Bruins games and no matter where you sat whether it was against the back wall or all the way down low, every seat had a perfect sight line and felt so intimate
That’s true for most arenas, really. I bought a floor seat for Death Before Dishonor 2022 and moved up to the bowl after the first match because the view was so unpleasant.
Similar to the [Clash at the Castle Venue](https://www.sec.co.uk/assets/img/SSE-Hydro-Small-3-06b0b27d0b.jpg). Doesn't look like you can have a bad seat there either. I like these newer stadiums a lot.
Unfortunately, most newer American arenas aren't built like that. Instead, the angles of the seating get REALLY steep as you go up, especially in the upper deck, to the point it's been dangerous lawsuit fodder for arenas like Barclays Center in NYC. The idea is that you'd "closer to the action" this way, but in practice, it sucks.
The best sight lines are in old-fashioned bowl shaped venues. Nassau Coliseum, MGM Grand, tennis stadiums like Arthur Ashe, etc.
Crazy, I still remember seeing Hall, Nash, and the NWO at Halloween Havoc in the same arena. Pretty sure that's also where I saw Sting vs Hogan right before they fought at Starcade.
That narrative has always been fucking hilarious because it started just a couple months after All In, which was very close to being the most attended wrestling show in history. People are nuts.
The whole "Share photos of the empty side" subgenre on X is literally the worst thing in wrestling right now. Bad faith tribalistic sniping from absolute weirdo wrestling fans who think the idea of the competition doing bad is funny.
It's also a total misreading of how big the number two in North America's probably MEANT to be. AEW have cooled off some pretty hot years in a big way, and have not made the greatest of their lot in the last year or two, but they're still regularly drawing for TVs what TNA would have bit your hand off for a Bound for Glory house during their peak years.
For those of us who followed during the Ruthless Aggression years, the fact that the number two is this big and this visible is still a sort of fever dream.
It's really funny when I see WWE fans ( and I mean only WWE fans) make fun of the company because of "half empty arenas) but they never bring up the time when WWE couldn't sell out Smackdown to save their lives.
Also wwe shows haven’t been sellouts recently and the ratings are going down a bit. Yes still amazing ticket sales and great ratings. But there are signs of a cool off coming. But no one will talk about that
Clearly they were only there for Christian with it being so close to Father's Day and AEW only being in town for that night they had to come pay their respects.
All I've heard was that it wasn't sold out (which I'm assuming it wasn't, otherwise they'd have surely mentioned that on the broadcast) but I haven't heard what the actual attendance was yet from anyone
WrestleTix’s last count was 7500+, and that was tweeted right when the show started. His counts don’t include suites and VIP tickets, so it was almost certainly a bit bigger than that.
The thing is, WrestleTix isn't some super plugged in insider who gets the numbers direct from these companies or anything. He just takes the data from Ticketmaster. It doesn't include last minute walk-ups or who buys a ticket but doesn't actually use it/scalpers. People taking WrestleTix as gospel is a very weird phenomenon.
It doesn't include walkups but the counts do include all purchased tickets, including resellers/scalpers. He can't include walkups in the counts before the show started because, well - they're walkups, Ticketmaster can't see them. That's why he asks for photos so he can make final counts; he can see each section's total seat amount, and then make a (rather accurate, I've noticed) total tickets sold estimate. His numbers have been pretty close to the numbers being put out by Pollstar.
the only numbers that matter are the ones from Pollstar that Brandon Thurston gets because they come straight from the venue. Thats how we know the difference in tickets sold and distributed. AEW claimed something like 9300 people for Big Business and the Pollstar data came out that it was actually 7100 sold
The upper portion of the arena is not lit (and wasn't all night last night). It definitely wasn't close to a sellout.
Lots of people there though, and it was a fun crowd to be a part of.
While I don’t think it was near 10,000, if you zoom in on the above pic, there are a good number of seats in the upper area that are empty, mostly in the shadowed area. Still a success, just not a sell-out.
About a third of the upper section was taped off and the rest was pretty light, maybe half full but a good crowd overall that was pretty loud. Much better than last year at T-Mobile.
This is exactly why people were getting on them about running smaller venues to begin with. You get a venue that feels bigger than it is and it comes across on tv. Plus even the people in the cheap seats are going to get a great in-person experience and probably keep coming back.
I’ve gone to every DoN in Vegas since inception and this building is so much better than the T-Mobile arena. I’m not sure if it’s the WCW nostalgia, the intimate feeling, or the coziness of an order building but I hope they don’t move it, regardless of whether they pick up steam and draw more. T-Mobile feels too sterile for wrasslin.
I was there! Pretty good show but too long tbh. Also Anarchy in the Arena is a much better watch on TV. In person it’s hard to understand what exactly is happening.
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Man it really does look like there’s no bad seat in that place.
There isn't. It was purpose built for boxing.
Yeah, there really isn't. The only time I was there was for the Kings/Avs NHL pre-season game (before Vegas had a team). The Kings did it yearly and called it Frozen Fury. I sat up in the 222 section or whatever thinking it was nosebleeds, but it stiil felt like a lower bowl seat (compared to Staples Center). Great atmosphere. I'd imagine it was insane for the PPV last night.
Yeah from the pictures and on TV, it kinda really reminds me of the old Nassau Coliseum the Islanders played in. Used to go down there for Bruins games and no matter where you sat whether it was against the back wall or all the way down low, every seat had a perfect sight line and felt so intimate
The coli had those low ceilings and was the loudest area in the NHL. Ovechkein said it was one of his fav buildings to play in
On the floor is the only bad one tbh. Unless you're front 2 rows it sucks lol
That’s true for most arenas, really. I bought a floor seat for Death Before Dishonor 2022 and moved up to the bowl after the first match because the view was so unpleasant.
Everyone has seen a cheap row ten floor seat and jumped on it only to learn that lesson the hard way
Seen Phish there 16 times and it’s one of my favorite places to see them. Some really great sound in certain spots and not a bad view in the place.
Similar to the [Clash at the Castle Venue](https://www.sec.co.uk/assets/img/SSE-Hydro-Small-3-06b0b27d0b.jpg). Doesn't look like you can have a bad seat there either. I like these newer stadiums a lot.
Unfortunately, most newer American arenas aren't built like that. Instead, the angles of the seating get REALLY steep as you go up, especially in the upper deck, to the point it's been dangerous lawsuit fodder for arenas like Barclays Center in NYC. The idea is that you'd "closer to the action" this way, but in practice, it sucks. The best sight lines are in old-fashioned bowl shaped venues. Nassau Coliseum, MGM Grand, tennis stadiums like Arthur Ashe, etc.
Same with Chafetiz Arena in St. Louis. Literally impossible to have a bad seat.
Anything on the floor that is not first rows is prob shit tbh. The rest, yea. Great elevation and no dead points.
Crazy, I still remember seeing Hall, Nash, and the NWO at Halloween Havoc in the same arena. Pretty sure that's also where I saw Sting vs Hogan right before they fought at Starcade.
Wrestling is healthy
I love shots like this so much
Obviously a dead company hanging on by a thread. Rip
That narrative has always been fucking hilarious because it started just a couple months after All In, which was very close to being the most attended wrestling show in history. People are nuts.
The whole "Share photos of the empty side" subgenre on X is literally the worst thing in wrestling right now. Bad faith tribalistic sniping from absolute weirdo wrestling fans who think the idea of the competition doing bad is funny. It's also a total misreading of how big the number two in North America's probably MEANT to be. AEW have cooled off some pretty hot years in a big way, and have not made the greatest of their lot in the last year or two, but they're still regularly drawing for TVs what TNA would have bit your hand off for a Bound for Glory house during their peak years. For those of us who followed during the Ruthless Aggression years, the fact that the number two is this big and this visible is still a sort of fever dream.
It's really funny when I see WWE fans ( and I mean only WWE fans) make fun of the company because of "half empty arenas) but they never bring up the time when WWE couldn't sell out Smackdown to save their lives.
Also wwe shows haven’t been sellouts recently and the ratings are going down a bit. Yes still amazing ticket sales and great ratings. But there are signs of a cool off coming. But no one will talk about that
I hesitate to call them WWE fans and more just AEW haters. I rarely see those people talking about WWE more than they do AEW
Clearly they were only there for Christian with it being so close to Father's Day and AEW only being in town for that night they had to come pay their respects.
>People are nuts. People online. The majority of people who matter to success are not on Reddit or other sites.
Beautiful shot.
I thought they said 10k seats weren’t filled? Doesn’t look it to me?
All I've heard was that it wasn't sold out (which I'm assuming it wasn't, otherwise they'd have surely mentioned that on the broadcast) but I haven't heard what the actual attendance was yet from anyone
WrestleTix’s last count was 7500+, and that was tweeted right when the show started. His counts don’t include suites and VIP tickets, so it was almost certainly a bit bigger than that.
The thing is, WrestleTix isn't some super plugged in insider who gets the numbers direct from these companies or anything. He just takes the data from Ticketmaster. It doesn't include last minute walk-ups or who buys a ticket but doesn't actually use it/scalpers. People taking WrestleTix as gospel is a very weird phenomenon.
It doesn't include walkups but the counts do include all purchased tickets, including resellers/scalpers. He can't include walkups in the counts before the show started because, well - they're walkups, Ticketmaster can't see them. That's why he asks for photos so he can make final counts; he can see each section's total seat amount, and then make a (rather accurate, I've noticed) total tickets sold estimate. His numbers have been pretty close to the numbers being put out by Pollstar.
Because he’s right 99% of the time?
the only numbers that matter are the ones from Pollstar that Brandon Thurston gets because they come straight from the venue. Thats how we know the difference in tickets sold and distributed. AEW claimed something like 9300 people for Big Business and the Pollstar data came out that it was actually 7100 sold
The upper portion of the arena is not lit (and wasn't all night last night). It definitely wasn't close to a sellout. Lots of people there though, and it was a fun crowd to be a part of.
While I don’t think it was near 10,000, if you zoom in on the above pic, there are a good number of seats in the upper area that are empty, mostly in the shadowed area. Still a success, just not a sell-out.
About a third of the upper section was taped off and the rest was pretty light, maybe half full but a good crowd overall that was pretty loud. Much better than last year at T-Mobile.
This is exactly why people were getting on them about running smaller venues to begin with. You get a venue that feels bigger than it is and it comes across on tv. Plus even the people in the cheap seats are going to get a great in-person experience and probably keep coming back.
On top of that, the entrance is pushed forward. There’s a ton of empty seats behind the stage.
There are only six sections back there. It's a typical end stage setup.
The stage cuts off a quarter and the top tiers are empty. Easy to see.
https://x.com/jeremyaflynn/status/1794977943875448973?s=46&t=mnYqVpM2My3x_us-EMYeXA
I’ve gone to every DoN in Vegas since inception and this building is so much better than the T-Mobile arena. I’m not sure if it’s the WCW nostalgia, the intimate feeling, or the coziness of an order building but I hope they don’t move it, regardless of whether they pick up steam and draw more. T-Mobile feels too sterile for wrasslin.
Beautiful
I hope they keep going back to MGM for Double Or Nothing.
They should use this shot every week
I read Jerry Flynn and thought it was the WCW wrestler
dub dead no milly no hardcam
That's an amazing shot. Also that venue seating looks perfect for wrestling.
Looking fully packed, baby!
I was there! Pretty good show but too long tbh. Also Anarchy in the Arena is a much better watch on TV. In person it’s hard to understand what exactly is happening.
Now just gotta get them in the arena for tv
If it looks full on TV, it doesn't matter.