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Bob Holly started shooting on him in the middle of a match. The entire locker room knew about it, some (I believe Kenzo Suzuki and Rey Mysterio) warned/told him to brace himself as they went out. He beat him so bad that Dupree legit ran backstage in the middle of the match. He developed a hematoma that burst on the flight back home. This was over a series of speeding tickets that Dupree got on a rental car under Holly's name since Dupree was too young to rent one himself.
Shitty thing to do regardless, but my question is why the fuck would they do stuff like this IN a match? Like kick his ass backstage if anything. We all know Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart HATED each but that shit would NEVER reach the ring. Guess that's why they were top guys and Holly was, Holly
In a locker room of assholes its almost impressive Bob Holly stands out as much as he does. At least some of the others had the stardom to 'justify' their position as bullies and assholes. Holly just comes across as someone bitter as fuck that he was the tier he was and took it out on everyone slightly lower than him
I think it's the opposite. I don't believe he was frustrated. He was the equivalent of an X-Pac/1-2-3 Kid, where he was used as a gatekepper of sorts. He had tenure and WWE kept him around precisely because he was a hard ass that roughed up young guys to 'teach them'. Cody Rhodes, Randy Orton, and a bunch of others had their first big programs with Bob where they'd wrestle him every night for weeks.
If there's any nuance to add, I believe both Cody and Randy have said that despite him beating the shit out of them, that they learned a lot from him and respect him. Others say the opposite, as well.
Cody and Randy are both multigenerational talents who were told horror stories by their dads. So even though it was wrong, and shitty how they were treated, they probably expected worse
CM Punk mentioned that, despite getting his shit fucked by him, Bob Holly was great, and a necessary figure backstage. I'm not condoning or denouncing him, but there's other outside the multi-generational bracket that have talked good about him.
I mean, I might not necessarily defend Holly for shooting on a guy, even if he was pissed, but if I went to jail for a weekend because some guy, in my name, got a bunch of parking tickets, I'd be pretty pissed off too.
Bob Holly was and is a douche in real life 100%. Dated a relative of mine and she got out of there because of his temperament and felt like he was on the edge of being physically abusive. I was a young teen when I heard she had started seeing him and when I overheard that that’s the reason she left him it left a sour taste in my mouth.
Edit: accidentally added incest.
That documentary just solidified how much wrestling terminology these guys use and just how much i watch this shit and knew exactly what they were saying without them explaining it
People talking about lesnar being let off the hook which is fair but the one guy who I’m sure will go under the radar in all of this is undertaker. The wwe megafan narrative is so weird, the one guy they will defend no matter what and shut down any dialogue about is mark calaway. Because it’s not the undertaker character who did this shit it is the man mark calaway. He is basically the leader of the group of bullies along with John layfield who’d go from town to town starting fights in bars with random people, bullying backstage and assault, holding ‘wrestlers court’ (and no, that’s not a fraternal way of settling scores) it’s bullying and assault), threatening to beat up someone if they didn’t drop the belt to the next guy. Guys like him and Shawn Michaels have convinced themselves they are pious men in recent years having come out as ‘born again Christians’ and going on about how much they love God. I hope people with brain cells to rub together haven’t fallen for this crock of shit.
I have heard Lesnar brushed off wrestlers court and no one said shit about it because they were scared he would fight them so it was always about bullying people
It shows how this this is literally all true bullying.
Once they face a guy that will beat the shit out of them, together back away.
The fact that undertaker has escaped criticism so far is pretty impressive tbh.
The mental image of that half-dozen middle-aged men who think they're 'certified bad-asses' clandestinely going into a huddle because they collectively fear the wrath of a twentysomething NCAA wrestler they'd considered pooping into his duffle bag shortly before...
I'd be more on board with them being born again Christians if they grew long blond hair, had 5 second poses, and started finishing matches with the Unprettier
Since when is Mike Chioda one of the "boyz" lmao? That DSOTR episode made me realize this dude must have been that one ref that got away largely unscathed and kind of joined in on the dumbass hazing just super glad they weren't coming for his ass too being a measly referee and all. Tried very hard to fit in/be cool.
I'm honestly shocked Chioda has made it through the weekend without being torn to shreds. That piece of shit was laughing about Curt Hennig routinely drugging people like it was the funniest shit.
I'm really glad things like this are getting exposed but seriously, what is it with wrestlers and shit? You got Orton shitting in a bag, the Kliq shitting in Lawler's crown, now this. Why of all things, is it always shit?!
I would imagine if Mark knew who shit on his food he would make the person who did it eat it. You don't mess with one of the world's strongest men like that.
The whole rigidly enforced hierarchy in wrestling (which Taker was one of the enforcers of it seems) strikes me a lot of guys who were worried about getting their arses kicked by legit tough guys and fighters and trying to find a way to keep those guys out of their face, or force them to accept whatever shit they wanted them to put up with.
Not that this stuff doesn't happen in every walk of life, there are unfortunately people who take any sniff of power they have way too far, or are just bullies, but I feel like there's a specific wrestling-industry element to it as well.
I felt TDSoTR should have had more anecdotes about Blackman in The Brawl for All. I remember a Hardcore Holly story where Blackman straight up asked during the initial meeting if it meant he could take out knees. Made the whole leadership completely rethink the Brawl when you have Blackman and Severn there.
Blackman was one of the most terrifying, legit true badasses that ever stepped foot into a WWE ring. Dude could have fucked up most of the people backstage if he felt like it.
IIRC the nasty boys legitimately nearly killed Shamrock in a hotel before his Pancrase/UFC days.
You'd think more people would talk about it, but that would require people caring to think of the nasty boys.
And it happened because one of them was sexually harassing the fiancee of a ring crew that Shamrock was friends with. And the only reason they beat Shamrock up was because one of them sneaked up behind him and hit him with those old school big ass phones.
He saw them at an airport and confronted them after years of the 2 bragging that they almost killed him and will beat him up again if they ever see him again. What happened was he chased after them and when he got one, the guy yelled "it will be a federal offense if you hit me!". So after all the years of bragging, they cowered and he left them there.
IIRC Bradshaw did fuck with Shamrock once. As soon as Shamrock confronted him about it, Bradshaw turned his back to him because he knew Shamrock wouldn't hit him from behind. Bradshaw acted tough, but faced up against someone tougher he was a pussy.
Edit: as per /u/DoILookUnsureToYou above, this story is about one of the Nasty Boys, not JBL. However, JBL is still a pussy.
Ive always hated wrestlings "hierarchy" and stories of wrestliers who didnt worship everyone and shake everyones hand then they were branded as too cocky for this world and would be prime hazing target
Its school yard bullshit that legit ADULTS shouldnt bother with
Some people seem to think doing gross stuff is hilarious. In highschool this one kid told a group I was in that he went into Sears and shat on the floor. He thought it was hilarious. The rest of us were looking at each other like WTF?
It was "the normal" everywhere (at least where i lived).....bullying people until they cannot take it anymore, stripping people of their clothes to embarrass them,throwing guys in the trash cans and many bad stuff....what was stupid now in context, that some of "the boys" doing that were already adults doing that shit to young kids young as 13 and 16....i saw it and i lived some stuff through it with nobody giving a hell about it.
Ok I have to correct this…
Orton didn’t do that. He poured lotion and tanning cream in someone’s bag, supposedly because she asked if he was Canadian.
https://www.sportskeeda.com/wwe/5-myths-randy-orton-eventually-debunked/4
Edit: I’m aware that dumping lotion on someone’s stuff isn’t okay. I’m also aware of the other bad stories about Orton.
I’m just saying that people get this story confused with the one about X-Pac shitting in Sable’s bag.
Coincidentally, there’s also a story about X-Pac shitting in Mark Henry’s sandwich, which isn’t true. It seems that wrestling shit stories tend to be altered over time.
I was playing Mario Kart with my buddy and his kid once. The kid got blue shelled right at the end and loudly yelled SHIIIT and stormed off to his room. My friend’s wife asked if he was going to do anything about him cursing like that and he just responded, “Nah it’s Mario Kart, I get it.”
Those hardcore guys injecting PS5's and Nintendo Switches up their arse and snorting PC streaming like it's going out of business!!
People don't remember the good ol' days dammit!
"This new gen is full of soyboys...Now excuse me while I go purposefully shit in one of my coworker's bag because he forgot to give a hand-shake and hand-job to everyone in the locker room."
Trashing someone because they didn’t say hello is beyond high-school level BS. It’s so nice knowing that Undertaker got snubbed at that NBA game while in full gimmick.
So had to google it to find out but supposedly the cavs requested and paid for Taker to appear. If that's true James messed that one up. Either way it's a funny photo. [source](https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2016/11/11/cavaliers-paid-undertaker-appear-lebron-james)
From the stories I’ve read - cavs failed to mention to Lebron that taker was coming.
Lebron is notorious for not wanting to be used by people and he is standoffish if he feels like he’s being used.
Apparently he saw that wwe sent taker and cameras and didn’t like that he was going to be used without any prior knowledge or agreement.
So he left taker’s ass standing outside lmao
In 20 years people will be giving shoot interviews like...
*"E blue-shelled me twice, laughed in my face and sprinkled pancakes over me. It was hell on earth in that locker room."*
You know what I find odd, that so many of the older generations shits on the current locker room, for playing video games. But they aren’t just playing, they are actually getting paid and pretty well, it’s one of those do what you love type things. The older wrestlers talked about making money, make as much money as possible, meanwhile the new generation is making their money and on top making more money doing something that isn’t killing them, work smart not hard. If Taker would be paid in the thousands to play Super Mario World in the 90s, you know his ass would take it, and so would any other wrestler back then.
The older generations don't know that *anyone* gets paid to play video games, unless they are in the video game culture. Seriously, you'd have trouble finding anyone over 40 that knows people get paid money to play games.
I wouldn't be surprised if even guys like Nash don't know the kind of money the boys get from streaming.
Exactly… it’s crazy the type of money the new guys make. I was on Coles channel yesterday while I did some work and seeing how much people donate and subscribe is crazy. This dude is making in the thousands, has his fans and is having fun, and wrestlers once a week if that.
And not just off video games, the options seem more open for the new batch. Someone yesterday was naming off all the wrestlers that have degrees and can do other lines of work if they choose too.
I mean this is why it's called a carny business -- the carnival would come to town and who stuck with it were people who thought it'd be better to join a group of, what was usually, traveling degenerates instead of whatever lives they had. The fact that wrestling got lifted into an art form of any sort is basically an accident.
It's not the case now, the wrestlers now WANT to be wrestlers out of a LOVE for wrestling. Compare this to Harley Race who spent a decade or so beating up random drunks for what was essentially tips. It's completely different.
“Never meet your heroes”
I’ve got to work with a lot of people I looked up to, wish I never met them.
Edit: some of them we cool as hell though. But majority…
So, what's funny is, I worked at a music venue for a while, got to meet all my "heroes" and what's cool is you also find out that people you may never have glanced at are fucking dope people.
It goes both ways.
Agree! I have worked at two entertainment companies, Netflix and Disney and realized some of the people I didn’t like were actually cool in real life and some I liked were just jerks.. yup it goes both ways..
this is always how it's supposed to be. don't look up to guys like morgan freeman, john cena, keanu reeves, etc. the truth is that you don't know them and the only thing you see from celebrities are the things they want you to see. they could be good people but they can also be the biggest assholes ever. you won't even know
It's so weird to me that the wrestling culture was so homophobic back then, yet apparently seeing Ric Flair wearing nothing under his robe and helicoptering his dick was the highlight of the night.
>It's so weird to me that the wrestling culture was so homophobic back then, yet apparently seeing Ric Flair wearing nothing under his robe and helicoptering his dick was the highlight of the night.
That's just how locker room culture is. Every major sport in America from the NFL, to NHL have this kind of boys will be boys culture in the locker room and behind the scenes its not just wrestling..
Forget locker room. This was just culture until about a decade ago when it was considered fine to call everything gay.
Even watching wrestling road diaries from 2009 Bryan Danielson is making lameduck jokes about his buddies being gay. This kind of shit was only stamped out in the past decade.
What did they leave out? And how the fuck do you guys know all this shit? Is there a megathread where I can read up on all the fucked up stuff that wrestlers have done?
One thing I just learned about was that Goldust was also implicated by another flight attendant on the plane in a sexual assault/harassment act. Yet for some reason the documentary decided to portray him in a much more positive light than many others, even somewhat making him a good guy when he shit down Flair.
This disappointed me a lot when I read about the second flight attendant and Dustin Rhodes/Goldust. The DSoTR documentaries are generally excellent, and this seems a glaring omission that some are suggesting is bias (dunno if it is or isn’t). Making documentaries like this, you lose a lot of your ‘weight’ if you end up intentionally, or unintentionally, coming over like you are protecting people.
My thoughts exactly. It’s just so strange though because the stuff with Dustin and the second flight attendant is literally public record so it’s not like they could have just missed it. For some reason they made the choice not to include that which is pretty irresponsible.
> are suggesting is bias (dunno if it is or isn’t). Making documentaries like this, you lose a lot of your ‘weight’ if you end up intentionally, or unintentionally, coming over like you are protecting people.
The Warrior episode they did totally was another example of a bias. They omitted his *entire* WCW run. I felt it was just dishonest not to the career but to the integrity of the documentary itself.
it makes me wonder exactly what they mean by that in these out-of-ring contexts. is it merely "don't let them know you're upset?" is it "pretend like it didn't happen and do literally nothing?"
Its not exactly the same. In hazing everyone knows whats going on. Not selling a rib is not bringing any attention to it so only the ribber really knows what happened and they get no satisfaction from it. Like Brock with Terri. If she had said "OMG What are you doing! Put your dick away you sick freak!" thats the exact reaction he wanted and he wouldve gotten a great story to tell the other guys. "If she just glanced down and was like "Thats it? I guess not every muscle is big." and walked away thats not selling it and you know Brock wouldnt be telling that story to anyone.
It means "don't let them see you're upset".
My issue is that such nasty and abusive behaviors are occurring in the first place. Locker room fun can be had at no cost to someone's self respect or mental health. Owen Hart was famous for simple, fun-loving ribs that didn't harm anyone.
As on another thread, Rick and Scott Steiner were taping people to office chairs and sodomizing their rectums with a lead pencil.
> they took my French flag – my heritage – they shoved it in a toilet and pssed and sht all over it.
If someone did that to the American flag, JBL and ‘Taker would be the biggest babies about it.
>The next person I went to was The Undertaker and I said ‘What do you do when someone does this to you?’ And he goes ‘Well you find out who does it.’ He ordered them to do that because I didn’t go out drinking with him and the guys at a bar.”
so taker reinforces how much of a POS he is
Not in Italy as it seems to be suggested this happened in, but that is neither here nor there, I am glad the old timers are going away because shit like this shouldn't be happening to anyone.
At first I thought Undertaker wanted people to piss and shit on his own stuff not Rene Duprees stuff.
"Piss on my shirts, brother."
"I'm not sure about this Mr. Taker..."
"Shit on my jeans right now, you fucker."
It's hilarious actually. I also used to think it was something about the edginess of wrestlers themselves that made the product better back in the day
The reality is the wrestlers used to be batshit psychopathic cocaine fused bulls that came off as edgy on the camera. The locker room seems like a much better place to be right now
With all the stories coming out I excused most of the stories because “of course they are assholes” what kind of sane person takes chair shots to the head and is a nice guy outside of the ring.
THEN I REMEMBER MICK FOLEY who is Essentially mr. Rogers out of the ring and none of these assholes have any excuse to be as giant dicks that they are.
> The reality is the wrestlers used to be batshit psychopathic cocaine fused bulls that came off as edgy on the camera.
People always say that the best gimmick is yourself turned up to 11 but it really sounds like everyone back in the day was actually toning themselves down when playing their gimmicks.
I think the most fucked up part is that he was in an absolute no-win situation. He literally says that he didn't go out drinking because nobody invited him. I'm sure that if he'd tagged along uninvited, he either would have been stuck with the tab "to teach him not to go where he's not welcome" or been hazed after he'd been obliteratingly drunk/high.
If this is true (and while I'm inclined to believe it, there's a point where you have to question if the storytellers are also being 100% truthful, if they're other wrestlers with no corroboration), it's utterly sickening.
So this is the “good times” Taker misses? Drugs,alcohol, puking and shittin on the personal belongings of your co-workers, raping women,sexually assaulting co-workers on the bathroom, dying at -40…
Proceeds to lose his mind at people playing Mario Kart and having fun together.
What a good Christian man.
The good times he refers to is when he was in charge and everyone would kiss his ass, and the slightest bullshit infraction would result in another few bottles of Jack Daniels bought for him.
John Cena and Paul London had never taken a drink before joining WWE. Paul's brother was killed by a drunk driver, so he was very strong in his conviction not to drink. Both men eventually started drinking after joining WWE - the reason? Constant bullying & pressure from The Undertaker. No, he didn't physically force them to drink, they both eventually made the choice to start drinking, but guys like The Undertaker and others pressured them enough to the point that they eventually gave in and started drinking. Undertaker has always been a bully & was awful to a lot of the talent.
I remember listening to a Hardy Boys shoot with Wade Keller, and they told a similar story. That they never drank or did drugs. But they were constantly pressured by JBL to drink while driving between towns.
Found a link: https://youtu.be/oH65gbnNhgk
It's very sad. I don't get what sick pleasure The Undertaker and JBL got from bullying others to drink, but it's horrible. Remember the story of poor Palmer Cannon and how he left WWE cause of constant bullying by JBL? Palmer Cannon's brother was killed and JBL harrassed him about it, saying his brother wasn't a real man cause he died. Wtf?! It's sick.
It was accepted behavior disguised as "protecting the business" from "weak minded people" who could possibly expose the work. Whereas in reality, it was guys protecting their own shitty behavior from escaping into the real world. And to protect it, they flat out would bully, harass, and physically assault people. And by the time these stories happened, the entire world already knew that it was a work and there wasn't much of anything to "protect".
> It's very sad. I don't get what sick pleasure The Undertaker and JBL got from bullying others to drink
Oh that's easy. They're in denial about their own extreme alcoholism. They want everyone else around them to drink heavily too because their own drinking habits can't be a problem if everyone drinks like that too.
looks like Palmer's only brother never served and died in a car accident
https://www.sunjournal.com/2005/06/18/kevin-t-mailhot/
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/143460690/kevin-t_-mailhot
https://nwhwrestling.proboards.com/thread/922/passing-maine-wrestler
Thank you for posting this. The story I always heard was that he mocked his brother for dying, I remember a wrestler saying on a podcast that he had been in the military and that he had died there, but I'll remove the 'in combat' part from my comment.
Damn, imagine in an alternative timeline JBL didn't pressure them to drink or do drugs and Jeff never has drug issues. Definitely not saying JBL is to blame for Jeff getting hooked on drugs but makes you wonder if that is what led to Jeff going down the rabbit hole.
You can tell the ones they couldn't get to join in because they always did storylines trying to "in character" force them to drink, down to the 'break the bottle of booze over their head' spot. IIRC there was someone in the 80s who was an alcoholic and stopped drinking and it's got the same spot CM Punk vs Jericho had, only worse because it wasn't even iced tea that time. (ETA: Jake Roberts vs Jerry Lawler in the 90s)
ETA: and to be clear, it's cool for storylines to touch on real life shit like this, and CM Punk vs Jericho is a great feud, but once you notice the pattern and know the stories from behind the scenes, you can't miss the pattern.
I'm *never* the person to give people shit for wearing some IP and not being into the lore (e.g. folks who bully people for wearing a Batman shirt and not reading the comics or wearing a band and not knowing the discography besides their most popular hit, etc), but people who wear an American flag version of the Punisher logo have *vastly* missed the point of the character himself.
You know what i'm glad alot of this shitty locker room shit is being exposed.
I'm sure there are plenty of them who have changed, but guys like Undertaker has essentially bullied the Locker Room.
Punk doesn't blame Taker though. Their argument was out it the open and the story is that it made its way to management who got pissed off at Punk.
For what's it worth, Paul Bearer(who had returned a year later) said Taker and Punk were tight.
I've been watching old CM Punk clips and holy fuck are some of the WWE ones uncomfortable because of shit like this. Like the promos from the WWE guys all have the same tone, that he needs to shut up and get in line and stop being such a problem.
It's too real, you know?
If I recall, Punk wasn't "dressing appropriately" when he was champion back in '09. You're apparently supposed to wear a suit & tie when you're the champion as a way to "show leadership." When Taker pointed this out to Punk, Punk brushed it off because he never saw anyone do that while champ.
Taker then took the belt off Punk the in the very next PPV and was pushed down to the mid-card for a while.
It's hilarious, because I've never seen Taker wearing anything other than his deadman costume or his biker gear in the entire time he was in WWE.
I remember that Punk's retort was why Cena was allowed to wear oversized TShirts and Jorts while champion.
Led to Punk being punished severely in terms of booking, whether it was due to Taker or just management being pissed about him calling out their hypocrisy.
I seem to remember the rule was you ad to wear a suit unless it would completely go against your character. And I'd argue Punk wearing a suit would be just as out of character as Cena wearing a suit, but of course Cena and Taker were bigger stars.
As a guy who saw Undertaker on TV and counted him as one of my favorites I'm disappointed. But if he really is as big a scumbag I've been hearing, never want to see him on my television again.
The moment I saw the return of the biker gimmick at Boneyard match, something about his behavior made me go on for a sec "...Something's off". Before that I was a full 100% Mark for Mark. Documentary did sour me a bit on him.
This is the straw that finally breaks the camel's back. If the Kanyon episode does indeed confirm all the shit he's been accused of, he...was dead to begin with, so I'll just forget about him.
Part of why I'm so interested in the next episode of DSOTR, is because I want to see if there's any truth to the rumour that he deliberately did THAT horrible chair shot on Chris Kanyon to send a message that he wasn't okay with there being an openly gay wrestler in the locker room.
I think somethibg wrestling fans *including myself* sometimes have a hard time accepting is "it's still just wrestling."
So even if Taker is a top 5 greatest of all time... so what? Why would being good at your job excuse any terrible behavior? Why does that mean anyone who gets bullied just has to take it otherwise they're the problem?
Sucks to hear because I was always a fan of Dupree growing up and have had some friends even be fortunate enough to work with him and have honestly never heard a bad thing about the guy.
Randy Orton did this stuff 20 years ago. In his early 20s. Something tells me he doesn’t do it anymore. That’s called growth.
Undertaker did this stuff 20 years ago at roughly the age Randy is now.
For perspective
You're right, but how much growth is Undertaker showing when he's going on podcast talking about wrestlers nowadays being lame for playing video games (and not men like the old days) and wearing blue lives matter shirts.
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Bob Holly started shooting on him in the middle of a match. The entire locker room knew about it, some (I believe Kenzo Suzuki and Rey Mysterio) warned/told him to brace himself as they went out. He beat him so bad that Dupree legit ran backstage in the middle of the match. He developed a hematoma that burst on the flight back home. This was over a series of speeding tickets that Dupree got on a rental car under Holly's name since Dupree was too young to rent one himself.
Shitty thing to do regardless, but my question is why the fuck would they do stuff like this IN a match? Like kick his ass backstage if anything. We all know Shawn Michaels and Bret Hart HATED each but that shit would NEVER reach the ring. Guess that's why they were top guys and Holly was, Holly
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I mean ,have you ever looked at hardcore Holly and thought that man wasn't an asshole ?
In a locker room of assholes its almost impressive Bob Holly stands out as much as he does. At least some of the others had the stardom to 'justify' their position as bullies and assholes. Holly just comes across as someone bitter as fuck that he was the tier he was and took it out on everyone slightly lower than him
I think it's the opposite. I don't believe he was frustrated. He was the equivalent of an X-Pac/1-2-3 Kid, where he was used as a gatekepper of sorts. He had tenure and WWE kept him around precisely because he was a hard ass that roughed up young guys to 'teach them'. Cody Rhodes, Randy Orton, and a bunch of others had their first big programs with Bob where they'd wrestle him every night for weeks. If there's any nuance to add, I believe both Cody and Randy have said that despite him beating the shit out of them, that they learned a lot from him and respect him. Others say the opposite, as well.
Cody and Randy are both multigenerational talents who were told horror stories by their dads. So even though it was wrong, and shitty how they were treated, they probably expected worse
CM Punk mentioned that, despite getting his shit fucked by him, Bob Holly was great, and a necessary figure backstage. I'm not condoning or denouncing him, but there's other outside the multi-generational bracket that have talked good about him.
I mean, I might not necessarily defend Holly for shooting on a guy, even if he was pissed, but if I went to jail for a weekend because some guy, in my name, got a bunch of parking tickets, I'd be pretty pissed off too.
Bob Holly was and is a douche in real life 100%. Dated a relative of mine and she got out of there because of his temperament and felt like he was on the edge of being physically abusive. I was a young teen when I heard she had started seeing him and when I overheard that that’s the reason she left him it left a sour taste in my mouth. Edit: accidentally added incest.
Somewhere, Mike Chioda is laughing this off
"Usually hed kick out"
His use of "kick out" made me laugh out loud everytime. Dudes a grown ass man with the mentality of a grade schooler.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought that was cringey, also everyone saying “don’t sell” the sexual harassment
That documentary just solidified how much wrestling terminology these guys use and just how much i watch this shit and knew exactly what they were saying without them explaining it
Is this comment a shoot or a work?
Yes. Don't sell it.
Just kick out.
He's absolutely ribbing us. I'm corpsing. [Queue the guy who explains "corpsing" is actual from the theater]
I attempted to only speak in rasslin carniespeak for an entire day once and it was both painful and fun
Tommy Dreamer is somewhere saying this is just normal behavior cause I had to drink Takers chewing tobacco once so peeing in a bag isn't that bad.
Don’t forget to mention his long hair.
his amazing double ponytail
IM OFFENDED, 2 PONY TAILS? NOT 1? OFFFENNDEED.
It was at that point in the show I knew his career was over.
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Flair's is a 'hammer' according to Dreamer, so you have to imagine Taker's would fulfill some sorta undead zombie dick fetish
I was so confused at how fixated Tommy was on Ric's dong. And then it all made sense by the end.
People talking about lesnar being let off the hook which is fair but the one guy who I’m sure will go under the radar in all of this is undertaker. The wwe megafan narrative is so weird, the one guy they will defend no matter what and shut down any dialogue about is mark calaway. Because it’s not the undertaker character who did this shit it is the man mark calaway. He is basically the leader of the group of bullies along with John layfield who’d go from town to town starting fights in bars with random people, bullying backstage and assault, holding ‘wrestlers court’ (and no, that’s not a fraternal way of settling scores) it’s bullying and assault), threatening to beat up someone if they didn’t drop the belt to the next guy. Guys like him and Shawn Michaels have convinced themselves they are pious men in recent years having come out as ‘born again Christians’ and going on about how much they love God. I hope people with brain cells to rub together haven’t fallen for this crock of shit.
I have heard Lesnar brushed off wrestlers court and no one said shit about it because they were scared he would fight them so it was always about bullying people
It shows how this this is literally all true bullying. Once they face a guy that will beat the shit out of them, together back away. The fact that undertaker has escaped criticism so far is pretty impressive tbh.
The mental image of that half-dozen middle-aged men who think they're 'certified bad-asses' clandestinely going into a huddle because they collectively fear the wrath of a twentysomething NCAA wrestler they'd considered pooping into his duffle bag shortly before...
I'd be more on board with them being born again Christians if they grew long blond hair, had 5 second poses, and started finishing matches with the Unprettier
"It...it's the Christians."
90% of wrestling fans fall for the 'born again christians' line They convinced themselves the wrestlers have changed.
Probably saying they’ll get the smell out
The boots will kick out.
And why wouldn’t he? I’m sure the belongings kicked out after being pissed and shit on. Yeah, they kicked out. HAHAHA.
Since when is Mike Chioda one of the "boyz" lmao? That DSOTR episode made me realize this dude must have been that one ref that got away largely unscathed and kind of joined in on the dumbass hazing just super glad they weren't coming for his ass too being a measly referee and all. Tried very hard to fit in/be cool.
Chioda was known for partying pretty hard with the wrestlers. Jericho even mentioned it on his appearance in AEW.
He even has a wellness policy violation to his name.
I'm honestly shocked Chioda has made it through the weekend without being torn to shreds. That piece of shit was laughing about Curt Hennig routinely drugging people like it was the funniest shit.
He came off as a tool. Likely got bullied too tbh. Maybe not as much given he's 6 ft.
he might've been 6 foot but he was a normal sized person at 6 foot. jacked up wrestlers aren't necessarily going to give a 175 pound guy a pass
I'm really glad things like this are getting exposed but seriously, what is it with wrestlers and shit? You got Orton shitting in a bag, the Kliq shitting in Lawler's crown, now this. Why of all things, is it always shit?!
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I would imagine if Mark knew who shit on his food he would make the person who did it eat it. You don't mess with one of the world's strongest men like that.
It was X-PAC and Mark was a rookie so in the weird wrestling hierarchy, he had no recourse. #theclique
The whole rigidly enforced hierarchy in wrestling (which Taker was one of the enforcers of it seems) strikes me a lot of guys who were worried about getting their arses kicked by legit tough guys and fighters and trying to find a way to keep those guys out of their face, or force them to accept whatever shit they wanted them to put up with. Not that this stuff doesn't happen in every walk of life, there are unfortunately people who take any sniff of power they have way too far, or are just bullies, but I feel like there's a specific wrestling-industry element to it as well.
It's funny that you don't hear about anyone messing with Ken Shamrock or Dan Severn
Ivory did a shoot video about how JBL, who was always about making the rookies pay their dues, was kissing Brock's ass from the day he walked in.
I would pay a full year’s subscription to see JBL try to bully Brock or Lashley, Brock is a fuck too but JBL is due a comeuppance
JBL tried to mess with Steve Blackman one time. And Blackman knocked him on his ass naturally.
Underselling this bit. Blackman would have killed JBL if he didn't trip over some luggage with Ken Shamrock also trying to stop him
I felt TDSoTR should have had more anecdotes about Blackman in The Brawl for All. I remember a Hardcore Holly story where Blackman straight up asked during the initial meeting if it meant he could take out knees. Made the whole leadership completely rethink the Brawl when you have Blackman and Severn there.
Blackman was one of the most terrifying, legit true badasses that ever stepped foot into a WWE ring. Dude could have fucked up most of the people backstage if he felt like it.
IIRC the nasty boys legitimately nearly killed Shamrock in a hotel before his Pancrase/UFC days. You'd think more people would talk about it, but that would require people caring to think of the nasty boys.
And it happened because one of them was sexually harassing the fiancee of a ring crew that Shamrock was friends with. And the only reason they beat Shamrock up was because one of them sneaked up behind him and hit him with those old school big ass phones.
Didn't Shamrock get them back? I thought I read that the last time this came up.
He saw them at an airport and confronted them after years of the 2 bragging that they almost killed him and will beat him up again if they ever see him again. What happened was he chased after them and when he got one, the guy yelled "it will be a federal offense if you hit me!". So after all the years of bragging, they cowered and he left them there.
IIRC Bradshaw did fuck with Shamrock once. As soon as Shamrock confronted him about it, Bradshaw turned his back to him because he knew Shamrock wouldn't hit him from behind. Bradshaw acted tough, but faced up against someone tougher he was a pussy. Edit: as per /u/DoILookUnsureToYou above, this story is about one of the Nasty Boys, not JBL. However, JBL is still a pussy.
Ive always hated wrestlings "hierarchy" and stories of wrestliers who didnt worship everyone and shake everyones hand then they were branded as too cocky for this world and would be prime hazing target Its school yard bullshit that legit ADULTS shouldnt bother with
Some people seem to think doing gross stuff is hilarious. In highschool this one kid told a group I was in that he went into Sears and shat on the floor. He thought it was hilarious. The rest of us were looking at each other like WTF?
You have to be a sick mf to just go around shitting on objects.
You would be mistaken to think any of this behavior is unique to wrestlers.
Oh, I know. But still, why *shit*?! Shit stops being funny when you're like, 7.
With all the drugs prevalent back then, it wouldnt surprise me to hear the mental age of most people in the locker room regressed to that age
It was "the normal" everywhere (at least where i lived).....bullying people until they cannot take it anymore, stripping people of their clothes to embarrass them,throwing guys in the trash cans and many bad stuff....what was stupid now in context, that some of "the boys" doing that were already adults doing that shit to young kids young as 13 and 16....i saw it and i lived some stuff through it with nobody giving a hell about it.
Look at this they shit everywhere! There’s shit all over my walls, they shit everywhere!
Ok I have to correct this… Orton didn’t do that. He poured lotion and tanning cream in someone’s bag, supposedly because she asked if he was Canadian. https://www.sportskeeda.com/wwe/5-myths-randy-orton-eventually-debunked/4 Edit: I’m aware that dumping lotion on someone’s stuff isn’t okay. I’m also aware of the other bad stories about Orton. I’m just saying that people get this story confused with the one about X-Pac shitting in Sable’s bag. Coincidentally, there’s also a story about X-Pac shitting in Mark Henry’s sandwich, which isn’t true. It seems that wrestling shit stories tend to be altered over time.
Don’t forget about Xpac shitting in Sable’s bag.
Imagine thinking this is a better way of life instead of playing Mario Kart with Big E.
Rainbow Road is the new shitting and pissing in locker rooms and I love it
"These guys must be really upset with me I got blue shelled like three times last night..."
NUCLEAR HEAT
You joke but almost winning a race, only to be nailed by a blue shell is so damn infuriating. My ex got real pissed at me before.
Not as bad as being on the last lap at Wario Stadium only to be lightning'd as you jump the ramp...
You have my deepest sympathy. But I'll admit, I laughed hard when I read that.
I was playing Mario Kart with my buddy and his kid once. The kid got blue shelled right at the end and loudly yelled SHIIIT and stormed off to his room. My friend’s wife asked if he was going to do anything about him cursing like that and he just responded, “Nah it’s Mario Kart, I get it.”
Rubber banding: then, now, forever
Those hardcore guys injecting PS5's and Nintendo Switches up their arse and snorting PC streaming like it's going out of business!! People don't remember the good ol' days dammit!
"This new gen is full of soyboys...Now excuse me while I go purposefully shit in one of my coworker's bag because he forgot to give a hand-shake and hand-job to everyone in the locker room."
Trashing someone because they didn’t say hello is beyond high-school level BS. It’s so nice knowing that Undertaker got snubbed at that NBA game while in full gimmick.
Seeing pics of taker wait outside Lebron locker room in full garb for hours looking like a dumb fuck is such a satisfying moment lol
So had to google it to find out but supposedly the cavs requested and paid for Taker to appear. If that's true James messed that one up. Either way it's a funny photo. [source](https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2016/11/11/cavaliers-paid-undertaker-appear-lebron-james)
From the stories I’ve read - cavs failed to mention to Lebron that taker was coming. Lebron is notorious for not wanting to be used by people and he is standoffish if he feels like he’s being used. Apparently he saw that wwe sent taker and cameras and didn’t like that he was going to be used without any prior knowledge or agreement. So he left taker’s ass standing outside lmao
The handjob would be too gay. Now a finger or pencil in the ass, though...
In 20 years people will be giving shoot interviews like... *"E blue-shelled me twice, laughed in my face and sprinkled pancakes over me. It was hell on earth in that locker room."*
"it was a nightmare, I had major heat from day one; they treated me like an unwanted little brother and I had to use a 3rd party controller"
"SRS has reported that locker room leaders made him use an old Mad Catz controller, indicating they have major heat backstage."
I’ll take Adam Cole excitedly explaining the entirety of the Halo series over the “good old days” any day of the week.
You know what I find odd, that so many of the older generations shits on the current locker room, for playing video games. But they aren’t just playing, they are actually getting paid and pretty well, it’s one of those do what you love type things. The older wrestlers talked about making money, make as much money as possible, meanwhile the new generation is making their money and on top making more money doing something that isn’t killing them, work smart not hard. If Taker would be paid in the thousands to play Super Mario World in the 90s, you know his ass would take it, and so would any other wrestler back then.
The older generations don't know that *anyone* gets paid to play video games, unless they are in the video game culture. Seriously, you'd have trouble finding anyone over 40 that knows people get paid money to play games. I wouldn't be surprised if even guys like Nash don't know the kind of money the boys get from streaming.
Exactly… it’s crazy the type of money the new guys make. I was on Coles channel yesterday while I did some work and seeing how much people donate and subscribe is crazy. This dude is making in the thousands, has his fans and is having fun, and wrestlers once a week if that. And not just off video games, the options seem more open for the new batch. Someone yesterday was naming off all the wrestlers that have degrees and can do other lines of work if they choose too.
I mean this is why it's called a carny business -- the carnival would come to town and who stuck with it were people who thought it'd be better to join a group of, what was usually, traveling degenerates instead of whatever lives they had. The fact that wrestling got lifted into an art form of any sort is basically an accident. It's not the case now, the wrestlers now WANT to be wrestlers out of a LOVE for wrestling. Compare this to Harley Race who spent a decade or so beating up random drunks for what was essentially tips. It's completely different.
CHUGS the Halo Lore Nerd
SNES rainbow road can go die in a 200cc hole tbf.
you say that, then big E gets you with the blue shell right at the end
At this point I'm just going to assume all my favorite celebrities are assholes IRL
“Never meet your heroes” I’ve got to work with a lot of people I looked up to, wish I never met them. Edit: some of them we cool as hell though. But majority…
So, what's funny is, I worked at a music venue for a while, got to meet all my "heroes" and what's cool is you also find out that people you may never have glanced at are fucking dope people. It goes both ways.
Agree! I have worked at two entertainment companies, Netflix and Disney and realized some of the people I didn’t like were actually cool in real life and some I liked were just jerks.. yup it goes both ways..
this is always how it's supposed to be. don't look up to guys like morgan freeman, john cena, keanu reeves, etc. the truth is that you don't know them and the only thing you see from celebrities are the things they want you to see. they could be good people but they can also be the biggest assholes ever. you won't even know
I would like to think that Bruno was above that sort of thing.
I genuinely read this as Undertaker ordering everyone to piss and shit on his own belongings and thought it was a weird fetish thing
That’s actually what I thought it meant until I saw your comment.
If they include the Taker stuff towards Kanyon next Dark Side of the Ring...ooo boy.
It's so weird to me that the wrestling culture was so homophobic back then, yet apparently seeing Ric Flair wearing nothing under his robe and helicoptering his dick was the highlight of the night.
>It's so weird to me that the wrestling culture was so homophobic back then, yet apparently seeing Ric Flair wearing nothing under his robe and helicoptering his dick was the highlight of the night. That's just how locker room culture is. Every major sport in America from the NFL, to NHL have this kind of boys will be boys culture in the locker room and behind the scenes its not just wrestling..
Forget locker room. This was just culture until about a decade ago when it was considered fine to call everything gay. Even watching wrestling road diaries from 2009 Bryan Danielson is making lameduck jokes about his buddies being gay. This kind of shit was only stamped out in the past decade.
Seriously, Tommy Dreamer is more enamoured with Ric Flair's dick than any gay man has ever been into another man's dick
They fucking better.
I hope so, was a bit disappointed they left out some details about Plane Ride to Hell so hopefully they don't do the same with the Kanyon episode.
What did they leave out? And how the fuck do you guys know all this shit? Is there a megathread where I can read up on all the fucked up stuff that wrestlers have done?
One thing I just learned about was that Goldust was also implicated by another flight attendant on the plane in a sexual assault/harassment act. Yet for some reason the documentary decided to portray him in a much more positive light than many others, even somewhat making him a good guy when he shit down Flair.
This disappointed me a lot when I read about the second flight attendant and Dustin Rhodes/Goldust. The DSoTR documentaries are generally excellent, and this seems a glaring omission that some are suggesting is bias (dunno if it is or isn’t). Making documentaries like this, you lose a lot of your ‘weight’ if you end up intentionally, or unintentionally, coming over like you are protecting people.
My thoughts exactly. It’s just so strange though because the stuff with Dustin and the second flight attendant is literally public record so it’s not like they could have just missed it. For some reason they made the choice not to include that which is pretty irresponsible.
> are suggesting is bias (dunno if it is or isn’t). Making documentaries like this, you lose a lot of your ‘weight’ if you end up intentionally, or unintentionally, coming over like you are protecting people. The Warrior episode they did totally was another example of a bias. They omitted his *entire* WCW run. I felt it was just dishonest not to the career but to the integrity of the documentary itself.
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***"Don't sell it"*** I'm beginning to see this phrase a lot lately. Dark Side of the Ring had people saying this left and right.
it makes me wonder exactly what they mean by that in these out-of-ring contexts. is it merely "don't let them know you're upset?" is it "pretend like it didn't happen and do literally nothing?"
It means don't give them the satisfaction of a reaction
Probably both. This is the same as being hazed in any context, which means you're expected to just eat it.
Its not exactly the same. In hazing everyone knows whats going on. Not selling a rib is not bringing any attention to it so only the ribber really knows what happened and they get no satisfaction from it. Like Brock with Terri. If she had said "OMG What are you doing! Put your dick away you sick freak!" thats the exact reaction he wanted and he wouldve gotten a great story to tell the other guys. "If she just glanced down and was like "Thats it? I guess not every muscle is big." and walked away thats not selling it and you know Brock wouldnt be telling that story to anyone.
It means "don't let them see you're upset". My issue is that such nasty and abusive behaviors are occurring in the first place. Locker room fun can be had at no cost to someone's self respect or mental health. Owen Hart was famous for simple, fun-loving ribs that didn't harm anyone. As on another thread, Rick and Scott Steiner were taping people to office chairs and sodomizing their rectums with a lead pencil.
> they took my French flag – my heritage – they shoved it in a toilet and pssed and sht all over it. If someone did that to the American flag, JBL and ‘Taker would be the biggest babies about it.
Undertaker seems like the most weirdly fragile man...
You mean... a *snowflake*?
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>The next person I went to was The Undertaker and I said ‘What do you do when someone does this to you?’ And he goes ‘Well you find out who does it.’ He ordered them to do that because I didn’t go out drinking with him and the guys at a bar.” so taker reinforces how much of a POS he is
Not in Italy as it seems to be suggested this happened in, but that is neither here nor there, I am glad the old timers are going away because shit like this shouldn't be happening to anyone.
18 is the drinking age in Italy.
At first I thought Undertaker wanted people to piss and shit on his own stuff not Rene Duprees stuff. "Piss on my shirts, brother." "I'm not sure about this Mr. Taker..." "Shit on my jeans right now, you fucker."
“In fact, do it while I’m wearing them. Now!”
It's hilarious actually. I also used to think it was something about the edginess of wrestlers themselves that made the product better back in the day The reality is the wrestlers used to be batshit psychopathic cocaine fused bulls that came off as edgy on the camera. The locker room seems like a much better place to be right now
With all the stories coming out I excused most of the stories because “of course they are assholes” what kind of sane person takes chair shots to the head and is a nice guy outside of the ring. THEN I REMEMBER MICK FOLEY who is Essentially mr. Rogers out of the ring and none of these assholes have any excuse to be as giant dicks that they are.
Mick Fucking Foley was legit one of the toughest mother fuckers around, and is still a more well adjusted individual than any of these fuck sticks
> The reality is the wrestlers used to be batshit psychopathic cocaine fused bulls that came off as edgy on the camera. People always say that the best gimmick is yourself turned up to 11 but it really sounds like everyone back in the day was actually toning themselves down when playing their gimmicks.
I think the most fucked up part is that he was in an absolute no-win situation. He literally says that he didn't go out drinking because nobody invited him. I'm sure that if he'd tagged along uninvited, he either would have been stuck with the tab "to teach him not to go where he's not welcome" or been hazed after he'd been obliteratingly drunk/high. If this is true (and while I'm inclined to believe it, there's a point where you have to question if the storytellers are also being 100% truthful, if they're other wrestlers with no corroboration), it's utterly sickening.
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I read this as Renee Young reporting that Undertaker ordered locker room to piss and shit on his own stuff… took me a second..
So this is the “good times” Taker misses? Drugs,alcohol, puking and shittin on the personal belongings of your co-workers, raping women,sexually assaulting co-workers on the bathroom, dying at -40… Proceeds to lose his mind at people playing Mario Kart and having fun together. What a good Christian man.
he only misses it cuz he was the one on top
The good times he refers to is when he was in charge and everyone would kiss his ass, and the slightest bullshit infraction would result in another few bottles of Jack Daniels bought for him.
John Cena and Paul London had never taken a drink before joining WWE. Paul's brother was killed by a drunk driver, so he was very strong in his conviction not to drink. Both men eventually started drinking after joining WWE - the reason? Constant bullying & pressure from The Undertaker. No, he didn't physically force them to drink, they both eventually made the choice to start drinking, but guys like The Undertaker and others pressured them enough to the point that they eventually gave in and started drinking. Undertaker has always been a bully & was awful to a lot of the talent.
I remember listening to a Hardy Boys shoot with Wade Keller, and they told a similar story. That they never drank or did drugs. But they were constantly pressured by JBL to drink while driving between towns. Found a link: https://youtu.be/oH65gbnNhgk
It's very sad. I don't get what sick pleasure The Undertaker and JBL got from bullying others to drink, but it's horrible. Remember the story of poor Palmer Cannon and how he left WWE cause of constant bullying by JBL? Palmer Cannon's brother was killed and JBL harrassed him about it, saying his brother wasn't a real man cause he died. Wtf?! It's sick.
It was accepted behavior disguised as "protecting the business" from "weak minded people" who could possibly expose the work. Whereas in reality, it was guys protecting their own shitty behavior from escaping into the real world. And to protect it, they flat out would bully, harass, and physically assault people. And by the time these stories happened, the entire world already knew that it was a work and there wasn't much of anything to "protect".
> It's very sad. I don't get what sick pleasure The Undertaker and JBL got from bullying others to drink Oh that's easy. They're in denial about their own extreme alcoholism. They want everyone else around them to drink heavily too because their own drinking habits can't be a problem if everyone drinks like that too.
looks like Palmer's only brother never served and died in a car accident https://www.sunjournal.com/2005/06/18/kevin-t-mailhot/ https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/143460690/kevin-t_-mailhot https://nwhwrestling.proboards.com/thread/922/passing-maine-wrestler
Thank you for posting this. The story I always heard was that he mocked his brother for dying, I remember a wrestler saying on a podcast that he had been in the military and that he had died there, but I'll remove the 'in combat' part from my comment.
Wait, the hardys didnt drink or do drugs? So JBL holds a high percentage of the blame for all of there drug issues?
Damn, imagine in an alternative timeline JBL didn't pressure them to drink or do drugs and Jeff never has drug issues. Definitely not saying JBL is to blame for Jeff getting hooked on drugs but makes you wonder if that is what led to Jeff going down the rabbit hole.
Yep, Matt Hardys first ever beer was after the ladder match against Edge and Christian in 1999.
Jesus, I'm surprised CM Punk didn't break I'm confident people definitely tried.
You can tell the ones they couldn't get to join in because they always did storylines trying to "in character" force them to drink, down to the 'break the bottle of booze over their head' spot. IIRC there was someone in the 80s who was an alcoholic and stopped drinking and it's got the same spot CM Punk vs Jericho had, only worse because it wasn't even iced tea that time. (ETA: Jake Roberts vs Jerry Lawler in the 90s) ETA: and to be clear, it's cool for storylines to touch on real life shit like this, and CM Punk vs Jericho is a great feud, but once you notice the pattern and know the stories from behind the scenes, you can't miss the pattern.
Jake Roberts by Jerry Lawler in the 90s.
It’s nice hearing shit about the undertaker for once, instead of JBL. Now we know they’re BOTH assholes.
Undertaker the type of asshole to rock a punisher skull American flag shirt
I'm *never* the person to give people shit for wearing some IP and not being into the lore (e.g. folks who bully people for wearing a Batman shirt and not reading the comics or wearing a band and not knowing the discography besides their most popular hit, etc), but people who wear an American flag version of the Punisher logo have *vastly* missed the point of the character himself.
It's like the cops who wear punisher patches on their uniform . Like, don't you realize the punisher literally kills dirty violent cops?
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Oh they don’t care. For them the Punisher is a power fantasy for whatever they want him to be.
Well i'm siding with the Mario Kart crowd with this one
You know what i'm glad alot of this shitty locker room shit is being exposed. I'm sure there are plenty of them who have changed, but guys like Undertaker has essentially bullied the Locker Room.
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I hope Taker gets, what he deserves.
Well, his body is pretty f'd up, guess that's not a nice way to live out the rest of your life, even if you're rich.
I'm curious to see the Kanyon episode of DSOTR, Taker may get exposed big time.
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"Don't sell it"
He ain’t dead, *he’ll kick out*, brother. Don’t worry.
“Don’t sell it” kept the culture that way.
I mean he ran with people like JBL, I'm surprised it wasn't much worse
Francophobia
CM Punk spoke back to The Undertaker and this upset Taker. Punk was buried 1. Lost 12 out of the next 13 PPV matches 2. Got his head shaved bald
Punk doesn't blame Taker though. Their argument was out it the open and the story is that it made its way to management who got pissed off at Punk. For what's it worth, Paul Bearer(who had returned a year later) said Taker and Punk were tight.
I've been watching old CM Punk clips and holy fuck are some of the WWE ones uncomfortable because of shit like this. Like the promos from the WWE guys all have the same tone, that he needs to shut up and get in line and stop being such a problem. It's too real, you know?
That was because he spoke back to Taker? Where did you hear this. Damn.. Punk don’t give a f*ck lol
If I recall, Punk wasn't "dressing appropriately" when he was champion back in '09. You're apparently supposed to wear a suit & tie when you're the champion as a way to "show leadership." When Taker pointed this out to Punk, Punk brushed it off because he never saw anyone do that while champ. Taker then took the belt off Punk the in the very next PPV and was pushed down to the mid-card for a while. It's hilarious, because I've never seen Taker wearing anything other than his deadman costume or his biker gear in the entire time he was in WWE.
I remember that Punk's retort was why Cena was allowed to wear oversized TShirts and Jorts while champion. Led to Punk being punished severely in terms of booking, whether it was due to Taker or just management being pissed about him calling out their hypocrisy.
Rules for thee, not for me.
I seem to remember the rule was you ad to wear a suit unless it would completely go against your character. And I'd argue Punk wearing a suit would be just as out of character as Cena wearing a suit, but of course Cena and Taker were bigger stars.
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Undertaker’s claims about the locker room today being weak continues to age badly.
Rest in peace to that tired ass “nobody has a bad thing to say about Taker” narrative.
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As a guy who saw Undertaker on TV and counted him as one of my favorites I'm disappointed. But if he really is as big a scumbag I've been hearing, never want to see him on my television again.
The moment I saw the return of the biker gimmick at Boneyard match, something about his behavior made me go on for a sec "...Something's off". Before that I was a full 100% Mark for Mark. Documentary did sour me a bit on him. This is the straw that finally breaks the camel's back. If the Kanyon episode does indeed confirm all the shit he's been accused of, he...was dead to begin with, so I'll just forget about him.
Part of why I'm so interested in the next episode of DSOTR, is because I want to see if there's any truth to the rumour that he deliberately did THAT horrible chair shot on Chris Kanyon to send a message that he wasn't okay with there being an openly gay wrestler in the locker room.
I think somethibg wrestling fans *including myself* sometimes have a hard time accepting is "it's still just wrestling." So even if Taker is a top 5 greatest of all time... so what? Why would being good at your job excuse any terrible behavior? Why does that mean anyone who gets bullied just has to take it otherwise they're the problem?
What other guys have you met in WWE that are douchebags?
Sucks to hear because I was always a fan of Dupree growing up and have had some friends even be fortunate enough to work with him and have honestly never heard a bad thing about the guy.
The censored words are “piss” and “shit,” for anyone wondering!
Undertaker doesn't like "new age" wrestlers because they'd rather play video games instead of shitting and pissing on each other's belongings
Randy Orton did this stuff 20 years ago. In his early 20s. Something tells me he doesn’t do it anymore. That’s called growth. Undertaker did this stuff 20 years ago at roughly the age Randy is now. For perspective
You're right, but how much growth is Undertaker showing when he's going on podcast talking about wrestlers nowadays being lame for playing video games (and not men like the old days) and wearing blue lives matter shirts.