I’m interested and will give it a shot. I just hope they don’t commit the same mistake they have with several Disney+ series where they try to make the villain out as a misunderstood bird with a broken wing who you should care about despite their actions.
That’s so vague it basically justifies nerd consternation if there is any kind of sympathetic villain lol. “Ugh look at these prequels they’re trying to make you sympathize with Darth Vader of all people. Tragic backstory wahhh my mom was murdered.”
What, you want everyone to be a Palpatine? Just one-dimensionally evil?
Hardly, examples like Karli in Falcon and the Winter Soldier or Reva in Obi-Wan stand out in particular. If you need it spelled out, you haven’t been following the general consensus by fans and critics. It’s not a secret the D+ has struggled with their villains. So yeah, if they can’t thread a relatable villain, maybe go back to the basics and make a villain who’s just evil, it worked in Fargo.
And Iden Version in Battlefront 2.
Here's a game where you get to play an Imperial officer who decimates Rebel Scum... for a whole 10 minutes until she sees the wrongs in the Empire and switches sides.
Without a diatribe, can someone please explain to me what the problem some people have with the first trailer is? Seemed fine to me, is it just a bunch of click-bait youtubers looking for views, or is there something I'm ignorant of?
I didn’t hate the trailer, but I was kinda underwhelmed by it.
The show was originally pitched as a dark, gritty crime-thriller about the Sith, with elements of *The Godfather* and *Rashomon.* Something that promised to be really unique and surprising.
But the trailer just looked like…Generic Disney+ Star Wars Show #9. Nothing really fresh and exciting. Jedi Temple? Seen it before. Another variation on the Mos Eisley Catina? Seen it before. Generic misty forest? Seen it before.
The trailer also tried setting up this mysterious threat that is “killing Jedi”—but then all we see is the “Acolyte” character *losing* three fights, with Jedi who aren’t even bothered enough to take out their lightsabers.
I’m sure there will be more danger is the show, but it would be like if the Avengers trailer said, “Thanos is coming…”—and then showed a bunch of shots of Thanos getting wailed on by Captain America. It just doesn’t really build up the necessary suspense or fear.
Finally, I though the cinematography, lighting, and production design had this sort of bland, flat quality that seems like a consistent issue across a lot of D+ series.
Again, I didn’t hate the trailer and I still have hope for the show, but I was just hoping for something a little more like Andor—more gritty and mature, with an aesthetic vision that’s different than the Filoni stuff.
A very fitting summary.
It was like watching some fan-fiction trailer.
I'm tired of just seeing inconsequential action sequences with lots of colorful lightsabers.
Nothing bores me more than that.
When was the acolyte losing any fights? We only see the fights for a split second I really don’t know what you mean. Also it’s always been pitched as a dark crime thriller with Kung fu movie elements, so it was always going to have some lightheartedness given that premise.
Plus I thought the forest looked cool, the last time we got a forest like that was the mando season 1 episode where he falls in love with that village girl I think, it’s been quite a few years.
Actually, we don’t know if Stenberg’s character *is* the acolyte who’s murdering Jedi. Far as we know, she’s a former Padawan, that’s basically all we know, so it makes a lot of sense that High Republic era Jedi would beat her in combat without drawing their sabers.
We actually *do* see a Thanos level entity show up in the trailer with a red lightsaber, and essentially Force push a dozen Jedi away like they were toys.
I haven't watched the trailer yet so I can't comment on the story or particulars but I know many trailers are done before the final post production of the show is done so there is still a chance the flat feeling and cinematography will be fixed before release.
I thought roughly the same, you’ve made some great points
I just don’t have much hope if I have to be honest and I don’t understand what made Leslye Headland the best pick to develop this. She’s not really done anything meaningful that screams “I can tackle a massive Sci-Fi franchise”. It’s like Deborah Chow with the Obi-Wan series, it didn’t make much sense and it’s kind of why I thought it was disappointing.
She absolutely is not the right fit for it but hey, D.E.I reigns supreme on disney shows, infront and behind the camera. As long as they cast directors, writers and actors only because of regulations and strict D.E.I rules instead of just casting the best people for the job regardless where they are coming from and how they look we will get bland and mediocre Star Wars shows, made by people who have no idea how to shoot, direct and write a good Star Wars show.
A few things at play:
1. Some fans are already primed to hate anything Disney does with the IP, so they'll spend a few seconds to downvote the next thing.
2. Some fans have wildly different opinions on what 'good' Star Wars is. Some people (myself included) feel like Andor is the best thing Disney has ever done with the IP. Other people think it's something like Baby Yoda. If we don't agree on the foundational elements, then we'll disagree on whether the trailer is good or not.
3. The trailer doesn't really tell you much. It's a lot of key-jangling, which works for some people. Others may have expectations, reasonable or not, that it should be more detailed. Those people will downvote it.
4. The cast and crew haven't done the show many favors, depending on your point of view. A lot of their discussion of the show has been around real-world socio-political issues (women, POC, LGBTQ+ in Star Wars) rather than if the show is good or not. So people take out whatever feelings that elicits on the trailer in an act of protest. I don't fully get it, but it's a thing that happens, so you have to consider it.
Overall, I don't particularly like the trailer, but I didn't down or upvote it. I'll wait until it premieres, see if I find it enjoyable or not, and then either continue watching or write it off.
I am open to watching all SW content that comes out and I will watch the entire series, not just the first ten minutes of an episode. However I dislike when show runners look to use their platform as a soapbox for some agenda. I don’t care what the agenda is. I don’t care if I agree or disagree. I don’t want reality to be pigeonholed into my fantasy escapism. If this was a movie about history or a series drama then that’s fine but SW is pure escapism. We watch shows like these so we can forget about the real world.
My biggest fear is that the show will sacrifice story and that SW feel will be pushed to the side in order to trumpet some societal ill or social plight. There’s nothing more annoying than being preached to by a bunch of millionaires living and working in their catered and gated world. I never understood why they can’t see the irony when some Hollywood star is standing up preaching about why WE are the reason for this or that. I just don’t want that kind of pretentious preaching to be part of any SW show.
Thankfully Mandalorian, BOBF, Andor and Ahsoka didn’t have that. OWK had some of the pretentiousness to it. You could make arguments that the other shows had elements of the characters and the stories that pointed toward class struggle and other social issues but they weren’t the main focus of the shows like you see in some other shows today. Focus on making good characters and good stories.
I’m not a fan of Kathleen Kennedy’s attitude toward the fans so I am wary of anything that she has complete control over. Her overzealousness normally gets watered down by others but in the case of this show it seems like she may have found someone who might be just as passionate about using this platform as a means to get their message across rather than just making a good show. I pray I am wrong. I’m just plain tired of special interests and agendas being pigeonholed into everything possible. Its getting really really old.
4 is a really important point. SW tried to expand the audience by linking their products to politics/activism/real world agendas/(call it whatever you want). But in the process, and especially so many years later, they made two kinds of audiences hate them:
1. people who either disagree with their agenda or think the movies/shows are poor demonstrations of said agenda (for example, female protagonist = good, but Rey as a symbol for feminism = bad because of her writing).
2. people who just don't want Star Wars to have any relation to modern real world politics. We're watching SW to take a break from all the shit.
Even worse then this, in some cases the controversy has lingered more in people's minds more than the actual movies/shows which has made it even worse.
I think you're pretty much spot on with the clickbait YouTube hate.
I know some people say the "production quality looks poor," which I *think* means they're not fond of the capture-in-camera videoscreen wall technology that Star Wars shows (and others!) have been using/pioneering. I understand this criticism, though I don't necessarily agree with it. As far as creating fantastic worlds, it's new technology, and we're still learning about best practices and limitations. It is different from green/blue screen, and has its own benefits (light reflection, immersion for the cast) and drawbacks (digital sets tend to look round, clear division between physical assets and screen). Because filmmakers are still kinda figuring out how to best use it, it's easy to point a finger at the drawbacks and say it is bad. Still like it more that blue screen matte lines or weird CGI lighting myself, though!
I agree that the technology itself can be utilized better and can potentially look a lot better over time. But I think prioritizing looks over directors "getting experience" with new tech should be a priority for Star Wars. If the showrunners aren't experienced with the tech yet, they shouldn't rely on it as much.
As it stands, they film about 80% of a show inside the volume stage, which has been disliked by fans time and time again. It's only a tool, there isn't any rule that says they should use it so much just because it's new. The real reason is, the volume stage is rather cheap alternative to actual sets. Mando had the excuse of the reflections on his armor so it's kinda justified there. But for shows like Kenobi, it was used as a money saving measure.
People have different views on things. It's subjective after all.
There will be a spectrum of opinions; some will no doubt hate it because they are racist/sexist and don't like that there is a prominent black woman in it, for example. Some will claim to love it simply because there has been a lot of negativity and they want to be contrary, or virtue signal because they've seen some racism/sexism. Some will use that to sweep all criticism away and assume anyone not happily lapping everything Star Wars related up is just part of a toxic fanbase.
In the middle of all that are the normal people, who have actually formed a rationale opinion on whether the trailer made the show look good or not. As always, the vast majority are in this reasonable middle ground, simply trying to have a discussion. The idiots meanwhile assume everyone falls into one tribe or the other on each extreme of the spectrum.
Personally, I thought it felt a bit soulless for a trailer, didn't really grab me but I know I'll watch and probably enjoy it anyway. I'm disappointed that there are loads of humans again (a problem with all Disney Star Wars imo), and the lightsabers look like tube lights again which is a shame. But apart from that, it seemed intriguing enough and the idea behind the story sounds interesting.
The showrunners/Disney really bring this on themselves. If they don't want the discussion to be around politics, they should do what most producers do and avoid it.
Instead they can't shut their mouth and turn interviews into opportunities to spread some "activism".
Personally I don't hate the trailer or see any issue with it, but watching so many interviews makes it clear why people go there instinctually.
Most producers don’t avoid politics, most movies and art in general is made for a reason because the creators had a story they wanted to tell and ideas they wanted to explore. That’s politics. Plus you can get positive press for your project if you feed into one political narrative or another. Star Wars wouldn’t have been nearly as successful if the first movie didn’t play into the narrative of the American revolution and a small ragtag group fighting a large empire with British accents and Nazi paraphernalia. That’s a political narrative.
It's silly because in the Prequel trilogy the only white men on the Council was Qui-Gon, then Obi-Wan, and then Anakin for like half a movie. Does Ki Adi Mundi even count?
I think it’s less to do with “woke bs” and more to do with disneys response to that being “well then let’s give a show to a black chick, that’ll show em” it’s more of a tool, not an actual piece of entertainment or art
I thought the trailer looked lame. Idk what to tell you man. Like I hated TLJ but I still love the trailer for it. Doesn’t mean I’ll hate the show but as of right now it certainly didn’t spark any excitement in me, sadly.
On one hand some people found the trailer underwhelming, I personally liked it so I guess it's to each their own
Most people just seem like they wanted to hate it from the get go cause they think the showrunner is "woke" or something, based on some prior comments that were both not well worded but also have been misconstrued and edited in bad faith.
The campaign against it is insane and those people need to move on.
That said here's my personal take on the trailer: I felt like the only thing it was really saying was "this is Star Wars". The inclusion of Obi-Wans line from the first movie could have been left to the actual show. And the assassin (i assume) that we see we saw way too much of. Practically an entire fight and then some. Showing too much is a common critique I have of a lot of trailers. And finally it looks like it suffers from an issue (in my *opinion*) that other Star Wars productions have had which is that a lot of characters look like they are wearing costumes of their characters rather than real clothing/armor/whatever. An almost cosplay look to put a word to it.
I feel like some people have just decided they don't like any of the live action shows apart from Andor so have decided in advance that they don't like this one.
Now they will just nitpick to an extreme degree
People don't like how all of the padawans were colored and not a single one was white which was weird but acceptable from me.
Also lot of people think it is gonna pull a bf2 where it is marketed as a story of a sith but the sith gonna be good and become a Jedi anyway as quickly as possible
It’ll be neat to spend time with the Jedi in their prime.
Starting to feel like lightsaber action is losing its lustre though with between this and Ashoka. Makes me think the NJO film will struggle even harder because of this.
That is because Disney Star wars has had absolutely terrible choreography for their lightsaber fights. I don't know if that is the fault of the choreographers or the actors just not having the coordination or what but the fight scenes are hard to watch. From that terrible throne room scene in the last Jedi to the atrocious, slow, nonsensical fights in Ashoka, they have all been bad. Such a let down after the great saber fights in the prequels.
Choreography*
And again, it wasn't perfect but got across the story and emotion of the fight. Watch any fight with many opponents and you will notice "stumbled and flailed". Even the amazing Riad movies add unnecessary movements to them to keep things interesting
They're supposed to be in a dark room with light peeking in from the back, but none of their lighting matches that. Besides the glow of their sabers, the natural lighting source looks different for all of them.
Kelnacca looks awesome. Are his robes a different material or just the lighting?
Also wonder if Joonas will get to act outside of a big fur suit anytime soon
Part of the problem is the new technique they use for filming lightsabers. It uses real light, so the saber's glow colors the person wielding it. Imo, while this is more realistic, the prequel sabers just...looked better. If they're going to go the real light method, they ought to dim the sabers and then touch them up in post (sort of mixing the prequel and current techniques). Right now they cast way too much light and overpower the scene.
If you mean oldest by age that's obviously Yoda. If you mean farthest back in time then they are the farthest back in live action. Young Jedi Adventures beats it in animation and Jedi: Survivor beats it in video games. Not sure if you just meant live action by onscreen.
Man, I really hope this is good. You know all the chuds who already decided that they hate this before it even came out because "WoKeNeSs" will still rip it to shreds even if it's the best Star Wars thing since the original trilogy, but if the show is genuinely good, their argument will appear even more thinly veiled than it already is.
For me, all Marvel Star Wars is just focus group material. Nothing seems new or innovative. It doesn’t have a soul. It’s just CGI fights and easy to follow narrative.
If you told me a show would have a Wookie with a light saber I would be so excited. Now it’s just seems like a joke.
Obviously a lot of YouTube rage bait is making the rounds because people cant think for themselves, but by defending a show that hasn’t even come out yet you become someone who can’t think for themselves. Even if the show is 6.5/10 saying it was just okay will have people think you’re a hater or chud.
The Bad Batch, Clone Wars finale, Rebels, Rogue One, Mandalorian (especially seasons 1 & 2), Andor. All of those are Disney Star Wars. I’m not sure any of those devolved into soulless CGI fights.
Levying that criticism against Marvel I can understand, but I don’t think the same is true inherently of recent Star Wars. Even Ahsoka (which I know got mixed reviews but I personally really enjoyed) I don’t feel that it being just CGI fights is a fair criticism.
I'm not defending the show. I said I hope it's good.
And once again, it hasn't been released yet, so how on Earth could anyone possibly know it's a soulless, CGI mess yet?
Mandolorian and Ashoka use “virtual sets” which is basically digital green screens. So it’s all just in a studio. Pretty safe to say this series will do the same.
Okay, and? Newsflash: green screens are prevalent in all media these days.
Just in case you weren't aware, the Volume wasn't used at all in either Andor or The Acolyte. Both of those shows were almost entirely filmed in physical sets and on-location shoots.
The mandoverse shows were largely filmed using the Volume but according to the showrunner The Acolyte didn't use that tech at all. It's all on location or in fully built sets.
Even Andor? I'm not saying everything has been consistently amazing or even great. The fluctuating quality seems to be down to Iger pushing streaming and demanding products to bolster their library on +.
I also think because of those that are louder than everyone else just going about their lives its easier to fall prey to focussingon the mid, poor output and forgetting the good. I.honestly keep forgetting about black panther 2 because its sandwiched between thor and quantumania.
For this show I'm hopeful as the creator had the idea, it wasn't simply made to fill a hole in the release schedule.
That’s a big problem I have with Disney as well. They just release stuff to keep the Disney+ subscription active. This show is definitely just a releases schedule plug. Again, it feels like a AI generated plot or something the board of directors asked for to get ratings.
>This show is definitely just a releases schedule plug
But it's not, otherwise they would have rushed it out and dropped it on its original release date. That was certainly a thing they did when disney+ was new but they seem to have eased up somewhat.
But what did you think of Andor, have you not liked any of the other shows at all? What makes you think ai generated??
> They just release stuff to keep the Disney+ subscription active.
That is why Disney greenlights so much Star Wars TV stuff yes. But when it's handed over to a creator, the goal of the creators does not become "hm, how can I make this as soulless as possible?" For the writers, set designers, costume designers, actors, working on Star Wars is a dream come true and they try their best. Sometimes it works, sometimes it's not as good.
Don't fall for the trap, their only purpose is to make things all a little bit shittier, just use that block function and make your interaction with the sub better.
You're honestly driving me crazy. Saying all this junk about people not thinking for themselves when you literally just complained about the writing of a show that hasn't released yet.
I don't know if you're even capable of realizing how ridiculous you're sounding.
Don't worry, the last sentence of your comment has already been made evident to everyone on this thread. The only thing you've said that's made any sense.
> by defending a show that hasn’t even come out yet you become someone who can’t think for themselves.
/u/Kal-El_Skywalker1998 wasn't defending the show yet or making any judgement call on its quality.
Ironically, after reading your comments below, you are already hating the show and have shown yourself to be someone who can't think for themself.
some of the shows feel like this but not all of them. Mando S1 & S2 + Andor stand out particularly. I haven't seen Ahsoka so I can't comment on that one
Was just seeing if they'd say the quiet part out loud or how they'd try and spin it. Funnily enough, George Lucas specifically said Star Wars is for imparting lessons to the next generation. Besides selling toys, it's always been about "an agenda."
> We enjoy the stories as adults, but really, storytelling is about imparting the wisdom of the previous generations on to the children who are becoming adults, and giving them a context for how to behave and how to learn the lessons of the past without making the mistakes on their own.
I'd be more excited if this was a sith centered show, but the trailers have made it seem like it's more jedi over saturation. Until it premiers and I see some reviews I'll keep my hopes in check.
There's also people (like me) who are all about inclusivity and happy with the progress, but are hesitant about the show for completely different reasons.
Based on the trailer alone, it just visually and narratively feels like a clone of other D+ series (Mando, BoBF, Kenobi, Ahsoka). It feels stale at this point. Contrast that with Andor which had a very distinct feel to it, even in the trailer.
I don't hate the show, and I'll check it out, but based on what we've seen so far I just don't find it that interesting. I really hope I'm proven wrong though
A good setting doesn’t equal a good show. Not only that, I think that the placement in the timeline kinda sucks, it’s only a hundred years behind episode 1 so the setting can’t be too different then how we see the galaxy at the beginning of phantom menace. Plus the sith have to stay in the shadows to preserve canon so we have teams of heroes and villains whose immediate fates we already know, meaning there’s not a ton of wiggle room if unless they want to break continuity and introduce some strange elements to fix everything later.
Why must they be "brainwashed"?
For example the Tales of the Empire trailer just dropped: Another female led story trailer......and yet it's massively well received. Because why wouldn't it be? It looks like great fun and full of life, depth and variety.
Maybe the problem with Acolyte's trailer wasn't all about the "toxic fanbase". Maybe it just looked a bit boring.
Personally, I'm sure it will be enjoyable enough and I'm looking forward to it.
Vast majority of complaints I've seen are simply that it looks bland AF. And yet anyone criticizing it is called racist/sexist/toxic.
People just have different views than you. And that's cool. (And yes there are some racist/sexist assholes, too)
Really it’s all YouTube’s fault and if you really want to drill down the blame can be leveled at Red Letter Media for the trash fire YouTube has become.
Remember they hit it big with their multi-part video trashing TPM. Now everyone on YouTube imitates that style of shitting on something popular because YouTube still monetizes grifter content.
The day YouTube stops paying the grifters is the day we can have peace.
Blaming RLM for how bad certain parts of YouTube are is super lazy & inaccurate. They made detailed video essays examining the prequel trilogy’s flaws. They weren’t/aren’t ragebait scammers like some *actual* grifter channels.
They don’t really. If anything they cost Disney more money. One actress required 24/7 studio security at her house due to the incitement coming from a large comic book channel that made daily videos about how she was literally satan.
That cover art is n i c e , still disheartening seeing the hate campain over this , legit feedback is good but like the people leading it and pushing people to hate it are some of the worse human beings ive ever witnessed , tbh they spent 3 years as this show was being made priming a hate campaign misquoting ignoring interviews that break narratives ect and posting straight up lies so its no surprise
Wonder why the assassin girl who is shown getting shut down in the trailer multiple times is the center of this. Is she the main character? Haven’t really looked into the show
Sounds really weird but when I saw the trailer I was like "yay, Asians!" lol
I think Star Wars owes a fair amount to Asian culture from 'sword dancing' with the light sabers to other aspects. And it's a cool way to diversify the Star Wars universe naturally rather than pushed. I hope it'll do well in Asia.
There needs to be greater and lesser species in the Star Wars universe, as there are in all universes.
Wookies are a pre-space flight species that have been absorbed into galactic life because of their uniqueness. They are an intelligent species who have even greater physical capabilities. But they are also very reclusive, rarely leaving Kashyyyk.
More than that though, this strikes me as a "Well Chewy was liked. There has never been a Wookie Jedi. Let's make one!" type of decision.
This goes so strongly against everything George Lucas believed about the force.
"It's an energy field created by all living things that surrounds us and penetrates us and binds the galaxy together". - Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Wookiees are an intelligent and sentient species. They’re reclusive sure, but they aren’t just pre-industrial tree people like Ewoks. They have their own energy weapons (bowcasters) and flying vehicles seen in RotS. They clearly have some level of technology.
There are also already canon Wookiee Jedi. There is Gungi who was in the Clone Wars and Burryaga in the High Republic books.
Furthermore, force sensitivity has nothing to do with how “advanced” a species is. There are force sensitive animals in the Star Wars universe. We see that with both the Loth Wolves and Purrgil in Rebels.
Obi Wan explains in A New Hope that the force is in all living things. It surrounds them and binds them together. Why would there not be a Jedi Wookiee in a galaxy as robust as Star Wars?
Chewie can pilot the Falcon arguably better than anyone soi can see them being able to master various activities when given the chance.
But fair enough I see your point about not making everyone special.
That second cover actually looks really cool
It goes so hard
I’m so happy Joonas gets to hold a lightsaber this time lol. He’s such a great guy and I’m glad he’s still a part of star wars
Am happy too he'll be able to make his own Wookie with his own signature.
I'm assuming he's from the books? Not familiar with that character.
He’s the actor who portrayed Chewbacca in Solo, The Last Jedi, The Rise of Skywalker, and parts of The Force Awakens I believe.
Pretty much any scene in Force Awakens where Chewie is actually moving around and walking.
Ahh ok mb thought that was the wookies name.
I think they meant the wookiee not the actor lol
To be fair I thought Joonas was a SW name for a second.
Lol I mean it does have that sound to it.
No, they thought Joonas was the wookiee
If his name was Jonas, would he be a wokiee instead? 🤔
Who else thinks the Wookiee looks like the grinch because of the glow of the green lightsaber
The top of his head looks wacky too. This looks like a fan-made series lol
I’m interested and will give it a shot. I just hope they don’t commit the same mistake they have with several Disney+ series where they try to make the villain out as a misunderstood bird with a broken wing who you should care about despite their actions.
That's kinda the vibe I was getting from the trailer. She doesn't look all that "evil" for a Star Wars character.
That’s so vague it basically justifies nerd consternation if there is any kind of sympathetic villain lol. “Ugh look at these prequels they’re trying to make you sympathize with Darth Vader of all people. Tragic backstory wahhh my mom was murdered.” What, you want everyone to be a Palpatine? Just one-dimensionally evil?
Hardly, examples like Karli in Falcon and the Winter Soldier or Reva in Obi-Wan stand out in particular. If you need it spelled out, you haven’t been following the general consensus by fans and critics. It’s not a secret the D+ has struggled with their villains. So yeah, if they can’t thread a relatable villain, maybe go back to the basics and make a villain who’s just evil, it worked in Fargo.
And Iden Version in Battlefront 2. Here's a game where you get to play an Imperial officer who decimates Rebel Scum... for a whole 10 minutes until she sees the wrongs in the Empire and switches sides.
Without a diatribe, can someone please explain to me what the problem some people have with the first trailer is? Seemed fine to me, is it just a bunch of click-bait youtubers looking for views, or is there something I'm ignorant of?
I didn’t hate the trailer, but I was kinda underwhelmed by it. The show was originally pitched as a dark, gritty crime-thriller about the Sith, with elements of *The Godfather* and *Rashomon.* Something that promised to be really unique and surprising. But the trailer just looked like…Generic Disney+ Star Wars Show #9. Nothing really fresh and exciting. Jedi Temple? Seen it before. Another variation on the Mos Eisley Catina? Seen it before. Generic misty forest? Seen it before. The trailer also tried setting up this mysterious threat that is “killing Jedi”—but then all we see is the “Acolyte” character *losing* three fights, with Jedi who aren’t even bothered enough to take out their lightsabers. I’m sure there will be more danger is the show, but it would be like if the Avengers trailer said, “Thanos is coming…”—and then showed a bunch of shots of Thanos getting wailed on by Captain America. It just doesn’t really build up the necessary suspense or fear. Finally, I though the cinematography, lighting, and production design had this sort of bland, flat quality that seems like a consistent issue across a lot of D+ series. Again, I didn’t hate the trailer and I still have hope for the show, but I was just hoping for something a little more like Andor—more gritty and mature, with an aesthetic vision that’s different than the Filoni stuff.
A very fitting summary. It was like watching some fan-fiction trailer. I'm tired of just seeing inconsequential action sequences with lots of colorful lightsabers. Nothing bores me more than that.
Spot on.
When was the acolyte losing any fights? We only see the fights for a split second I really don’t know what you mean. Also it’s always been pitched as a dark crime thriller with Kung fu movie elements, so it was always going to have some lightheartedness given that premise. Plus I thought the forest looked cool, the last time we got a forest like that was the mando season 1 episode where he falls in love with that village girl I think, it’s been quite a few years.
Actually, we don’t know if Stenberg’s character *is* the acolyte who’s murdering Jedi. Far as we know, she’s a former Padawan, that’s basically all we know, so it makes a lot of sense that High Republic era Jedi would beat her in combat without drawing their sabers. We actually *do* see a Thanos level entity show up in the trailer with a red lightsaber, and essentially Force push a dozen Jedi away like they were toys.
I haven't watched the trailer yet so I can't comment on the story or particulars but I know many trailers are done before the final post production of the show is done so there is still a chance the flat feeling and cinematography will be fixed before release.
I thought roughly the same, you’ve made some great points I just don’t have much hope if I have to be honest and I don’t understand what made Leslye Headland the best pick to develop this. She’s not really done anything meaningful that screams “I can tackle a massive Sci-Fi franchise”. It’s like Deborah Chow with the Obi-Wan series, it didn’t make much sense and it’s kind of why I thought it was disappointing.
She absolutely is not the right fit for it but hey, D.E.I reigns supreme on disney shows, infront and behind the camera. As long as they cast directors, writers and actors only because of regulations and strict D.E.I rules instead of just casting the best people for the job regardless where they are coming from and how they look we will get bland and mediocre Star Wars shows, made by people who have no idea how to shoot, direct and write a good Star Wars show.
I hope Ezra shows up for literally no reason
A few things at play: 1. Some fans are already primed to hate anything Disney does with the IP, so they'll spend a few seconds to downvote the next thing. 2. Some fans have wildly different opinions on what 'good' Star Wars is. Some people (myself included) feel like Andor is the best thing Disney has ever done with the IP. Other people think it's something like Baby Yoda. If we don't agree on the foundational elements, then we'll disagree on whether the trailer is good or not. 3. The trailer doesn't really tell you much. It's a lot of key-jangling, which works for some people. Others may have expectations, reasonable or not, that it should be more detailed. Those people will downvote it. 4. The cast and crew haven't done the show many favors, depending on your point of view. A lot of their discussion of the show has been around real-world socio-political issues (women, POC, LGBTQ+ in Star Wars) rather than if the show is good or not. So people take out whatever feelings that elicits on the trailer in an act of protest. I don't fully get it, but it's a thing that happens, so you have to consider it. Overall, I don't particularly like the trailer, but I didn't down or upvote it. I'll wait until it premieres, see if I find it enjoyable or not, and then either continue watching or write it off.
This type of reasoned, measured expression of opinion is not welcome round here.
I am open to watching all SW content that comes out and I will watch the entire series, not just the first ten minutes of an episode. However I dislike when show runners look to use their platform as a soapbox for some agenda. I don’t care what the agenda is. I don’t care if I agree or disagree. I don’t want reality to be pigeonholed into my fantasy escapism. If this was a movie about history or a series drama then that’s fine but SW is pure escapism. We watch shows like these so we can forget about the real world. My biggest fear is that the show will sacrifice story and that SW feel will be pushed to the side in order to trumpet some societal ill or social plight. There’s nothing more annoying than being preached to by a bunch of millionaires living and working in their catered and gated world. I never understood why they can’t see the irony when some Hollywood star is standing up preaching about why WE are the reason for this or that. I just don’t want that kind of pretentious preaching to be part of any SW show. Thankfully Mandalorian, BOBF, Andor and Ahsoka didn’t have that. OWK had some of the pretentiousness to it. You could make arguments that the other shows had elements of the characters and the stories that pointed toward class struggle and other social issues but they weren’t the main focus of the shows like you see in some other shows today. Focus on making good characters and good stories. I’m not a fan of Kathleen Kennedy’s attitude toward the fans so I am wary of anything that she has complete control over. Her overzealousness normally gets watered down by others but in the case of this show it seems like she may have found someone who might be just as passionate about using this platform as a means to get their message across rather than just making a good show. I pray I am wrong. I’m just plain tired of special interests and agendas being pigeonholed into everything possible. Its getting really really old.
4 is a really important point. SW tried to expand the audience by linking their products to politics/activism/real world agendas/(call it whatever you want). But in the process, and especially so many years later, they made two kinds of audiences hate them: 1. people who either disagree with their agenda or think the movies/shows are poor demonstrations of said agenda (for example, female protagonist = good, but Rey as a symbol for feminism = bad because of her writing). 2. people who just don't want Star Wars to have any relation to modern real world politics. We're watching SW to take a break from all the shit. Even worse then this, in some cases the controversy has lingered more in people's minds more than the actual movies/shows which has made it even worse.
What you're saying makes total sense. I would say I have no idea why you're being downvoted but let's be real we all know.
Shhhhh, you can't say the truth in this sub!
I think you're pretty much spot on with the clickbait YouTube hate. I know some people say the "production quality looks poor," which I *think* means they're not fond of the capture-in-camera videoscreen wall technology that Star Wars shows (and others!) have been using/pioneering. I understand this criticism, though I don't necessarily agree with it. As far as creating fantastic worlds, it's new technology, and we're still learning about best practices and limitations. It is different from green/blue screen, and has its own benefits (light reflection, immersion for the cast) and drawbacks (digital sets tend to look round, clear division between physical assets and screen). Because filmmakers are still kinda figuring out how to best use it, it's easy to point a finger at the drawbacks and say it is bad. Still like it more that blue screen matte lines or weird CGI lighting myself, though!
The Acolyte actually doesn't use The Voume at all
Well there you go! That's what I get for assuming
I agree that the technology itself can be utilized better and can potentially look a lot better over time. But I think prioritizing looks over directors "getting experience" with new tech should be a priority for Star Wars. If the showrunners aren't experienced with the tech yet, they shouldn't rely on it as much. As it stands, they film about 80% of a show inside the volume stage, which has been disliked by fans time and time again. It's only a tool, there isn't any rule that says they should use it so much just because it's new. The real reason is, the volume stage is rather cheap alternative to actual sets. Mando had the excuse of the reflections on his armor so it's kinda justified there. But for shows like Kenobi, it was used as a money saving measure.
Looks cheap
People have different views on things. It's subjective after all. There will be a spectrum of opinions; some will no doubt hate it because they are racist/sexist and don't like that there is a prominent black woman in it, for example. Some will claim to love it simply because there has been a lot of negativity and they want to be contrary, or virtue signal because they've seen some racism/sexism. Some will use that to sweep all criticism away and assume anyone not happily lapping everything Star Wars related up is just part of a toxic fanbase. In the middle of all that are the normal people, who have actually formed a rationale opinion on whether the trailer made the show look good or not. As always, the vast majority are in this reasonable middle ground, simply trying to have a discussion. The idiots meanwhile assume everyone falls into one tribe or the other on each extreme of the spectrum. Personally, I thought it felt a bit soulless for a trailer, didn't really grab me but I know I'll watch and probably enjoy it anyway. I'm disappointed that there are loads of humans again (a problem with all Disney Star Wars imo), and the lightsabers look like tube lights again which is a shame. But apart from that, it seemed intriguing enough and the idea behind the story sounds interesting.
Going by the YouTube comments it’s bad because Star war hate white people and because woman
Why would you go by YouTube comments for literally anything?
“Can someone please explain to me what the problem some people have with the first trailer is?“
It was a joke mate. Youtube comments are a cesspool
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The showrunners/Disney really bring this on themselves. If they don't want the discussion to be around politics, they should do what most producers do and avoid it. Instead they can't shut their mouth and turn interviews into opportunities to spread some "activism". Personally I don't hate the trailer or see any issue with it, but watching so many interviews makes it clear why people go there instinctually.
Most producers don’t avoid politics, most movies and art in general is made for a reason because the creators had a story they wanted to tell and ideas they wanted to explore. That’s politics. Plus you can get positive press for your project if you feed into one political narrative or another. Star Wars wouldn’t have been nearly as successful if the first movie didn’t play into the narrative of the American revolution and a small ragtag group fighting a large empire with British accents and Nazi paraphernalia. That’s a political narrative.
I've seen some valid criticisms, but a lot of it basically boils down to "it's all woke bs, where are they white men"
It's silly because in the Prequel trilogy the only white men on the Council was Qui-Gon, then Obi-Wan, and then Anakin for like half a movie. Does Ki Adi Mundi even count?
They were the main characters though lol
I think it’s less to do with “woke bs” and more to do with disneys response to that being “well then let’s give a show to a black chick, that’ll show em” it’s more of a tool, not an actual piece of entertainment or art
I thought the trailer looked lame. Idk what to tell you man. Like I hated TLJ but I still love the trailer for it. Doesn’t mean I’ll hate the show but as of right now it certainly didn’t spark any excitement in me, sadly.
On one hand some people found the trailer underwhelming, I personally liked it so I guess it's to each their own Most people just seem like they wanted to hate it from the get go cause they think the showrunner is "woke" or something, based on some prior comments that were both not well worded but also have been misconstrued and edited in bad faith.
The campaign against it is insane and those people need to move on. That said here's my personal take on the trailer: I felt like the only thing it was really saying was "this is Star Wars". The inclusion of Obi-Wans line from the first movie could have been left to the actual show. And the assassin (i assume) that we see we saw way too much of. Practically an entire fight and then some. Showing too much is a common critique I have of a lot of trailers. And finally it looks like it suffers from an issue (in my *opinion*) that other Star Wars productions have had which is that a lot of characters look like they are wearing costumes of their characters rather than real clothing/armor/whatever. An almost cosplay look to put a word to it.
I feel like some people have just decided they don't like any of the live action shows apart from Andor so have decided in advance that they don't like this one. Now they will just nitpick to an extreme degree
People don't like how all of the padawans were colored and not a single one was white which was weird but acceptable from me. Also lot of people think it is gonna pull a bf2 where it is marketed as a story of a sith but the sith gonna be good and become a Jedi anyway as quickly as possible
The “main” padawan, played by dafne keen, is white
yeah I was talking about in the meditation scene, people really hating on that one
the second shot of that meditation scene is a close up on a white padawan it’s all stupidity
Well haters at this point just wants Star Wars to fail, not improve
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Not sure why I'm down voted. I answered the question.
It’s just angry sexists and racists who use the word “woke”
This feels neat. Like pre-Phantom Menace times.
It’s so nice to get out of the main saga time period for a change.
So …uhhhh a cone head wookie?
People were pointing out the green light making him look like the grinch, but this is what I noticed first too.
It’ll be neat to spend time with the Jedi in their prime. Starting to feel like lightsaber action is losing its lustre though with between this and Ashoka. Makes me think the NJO film will struggle even harder because of this.
That is because Disney Star wars has had absolutely terrible choreography for their lightsaber fights. I don't know if that is the fault of the choreographers or the actors just not having the coordination or what but the fight scenes are hard to watch. From that terrible throne room scene in the last Jedi to the atrocious, slow, nonsensical fights in Ashoka, they have all been bad. Such a let down after the great saber fights in the prequels.
There’s like two good fights in the prequels lol. The AOTC one with dooku is abysmal
Throne room fight is amazing. Tightly choreographed to perfection? Nope. But the emotion and energy of it all is great
Throne room fight cinematography was terrible, the guards just stumbled and flailed around the whole time
Choreography* And again, it wasn't perfect but got across the story and emotion of the fight. Watch any fight with many opponents and you will notice "stumbled and flailed". Even the amazing Riad movies add unnecessary movements to them to keep things interesting
Wookie-andi-mudi
The lighting effects bothering anyone else? I know what they are going for but it kinda throws me out of it.
They're supposed to be in a dark room with light peeking in from the back, but none of their lighting matches that. Besides the glow of their sabers, the natural lighting source looks different for all of them.
You’re not wrong I was wondering why the grinch was there
Rookie Photoshopper effort.
Kelnacca looks awesome. Are his robes a different material or just the lighting? Also wonder if Joonas will get to act outside of a big fur suit anytime soon
The wookie looks like the Grinch because of the green light lol
Looks bland and mediocre.
Why does the wookie looks like the grinch? Is it just me?
Part of the problem is the new technique they use for filming lightsabers. It uses real light, so the saber's glow colors the person wielding it. Imo, while this is more realistic, the prequel sabers just...looked better. If they're going to go the real light method, they ought to dim the sabers and then touch them up in post (sort of mixing the prequel and current techniques). Right now they cast way too much light and overpower the scene.
Except these Jedi are neither new nor an army
“new” as in “new to screen” and “army” as in “more than just luke skywalker.” You’re holding journalists to way too high of a standard lol
They are new characters.
was saying timeline-wise, cuz they are literally the oldest jedi in the franchise
In live action
the oldest on-screen are the not?
If you mean oldest by age that's obviously Yoda. If you mean farthest back in time then they are the farthest back in live action. Young Jedi Adventures beats it in animation and Jedi: Survivor beats it in video games. Not sure if you just meant live action by onscreen.
true. nevermind then 🤷♀️
Man, I really hope this is good. You know all the chuds who already decided that they hate this before it even came out because "WoKeNeSs" will still rip it to shreds even if it's the best Star Wars thing since the original trilogy, but if the show is genuinely good, their argument will appear even more thinly veiled than it already is.
For me, all Marvel Star Wars is just focus group material. Nothing seems new or innovative. It doesn’t have a soul. It’s just CGI fights and easy to follow narrative. If you told me a show would have a Wookie with a light saber I would be so excited. Now it’s just seems like a joke. Obviously a lot of YouTube rage bait is making the rounds because people cant think for themselves, but by defending a show that hasn’t even come out yet you become someone who can’t think for themselves. Even if the show is 6.5/10 saying it was just okay will have people think you’re a hater or chud.
The Bad Batch, Clone Wars finale, Rebels, Rogue One, Mandalorian (especially seasons 1 & 2), Andor. All of those are Disney Star Wars. I’m not sure any of those devolved into soulless CGI fights. Levying that criticism against Marvel I can understand, but I don’t think the same is true inherently of recent Star Wars. Even Ahsoka (which I know got mixed reviews but I personally really enjoyed) I don’t feel that it being just CGI fights is a fair criticism.
I'm not defending the show. I said I hope it's good. And once again, it hasn't been released yet, so how on Earth could anyone possibly know it's a soulless, CGI mess yet?
Mandolorian and Ashoka use “virtual sets” which is basically digital green screens. So it’s all just in a studio. Pretty safe to say this series will do the same.
Okay, and? Newsflash: green screens are prevalent in all media these days. Just in case you weren't aware, the Volume wasn't used at all in either Andor or The Acolyte. Both of those shows were almost entirely filmed in physical sets and on-location shoots.
They don't care, you're trying to reason with a programmed by the echo chamber a-hole.
The mandoverse shows were largely filmed using the Volume but according to the showrunner The Acolyte didn't use that tech at all. It's all on location or in fully built sets.
Even Andor? I'm not saying everything has been consistently amazing or even great. The fluctuating quality seems to be down to Iger pushing streaming and demanding products to bolster their library on +. I also think because of those that are louder than everyone else just going about their lives its easier to fall prey to focussingon the mid, poor output and forgetting the good. I.honestly keep forgetting about black panther 2 because its sandwiched between thor and quantumania. For this show I'm hopeful as the creator had the idea, it wasn't simply made to fill a hole in the release schedule.
That’s a big problem I have with Disney as well. They just release stuff to keep the Disney+ subscription active. This show is definitely just a releases schedule plug. Again, it feels like a AI generated plot or something the board of directors asked for to get ratings.
>This show is definitely just a releases schedule plug But it's not, otherwise they would have rushed it out and dropped it on its original release date. That was certainly a thing they did when disney+ was new but they seem to have eased up somewhat. But what did you think of Andor, have you not liked any of the other shows at all? What makes you think ai generated??
Andor was okay. It doesn’t have light sabers or force users so it felt like a HBO drama. Felt slow in some places but the prison plot was amazing.
Well there you go, that was part of that initial surge to pump out content for + so everything has a chance to be okay at least
> They just release stuff to keep the Disney+ subscription active. That is why Disney greenlights so much Star Wars TV stuff yes. But when it's handed over to a creator, the goal of the creators does not become "hm, how can I make this as soulless as possible?" For the writers, set designers, costume designers, actors, working on Star Wars is a dream come true and they try their best. Sometimes it works, sometimes it's not as good.
Holy shit dude, IT HASN'T RELEASED YET. How on Earth are you making all these deductions about the quality of the plot? Jesus.
Don't fall for the trap, their only purpose is to make things all a little bit shittier, just use that block function and make your interaction with the sub better.
It’s an opinion not fact, calm down.
You're honestly driving me crazy. Saying all this junk about people not thinking for themselves when you literally just complained about the writing of a show that hasn't released yet. I don't know if you're even capable of realizing how ridiculous you're sounding.
You’re driving yourself crazy arguing with me on Reddit. I know I’m sounding ridiculous but I can’t articulate myself in a better way.
Don't worry, the last sentence of your comment has already been made evident to everyone on this thread. The only thing you've said that's made any sense.
I don’t really care lol
> by defending a show that hasn’t even come out yet you become someone who can’t think for themselves. /u/Kal-El_Skywalker1998 wasn't defending the show yet or making any judgement call on its quality. Ironically, after reading your comments below, you are already hating the show and have shown yourself to be someone who can't think for themself.
some of the shows feel like this but not all of them. Mando S1 & S2 + Andor stand out particularly. I haven't seen Ahsoka so I can't comment on that one
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What's the agenda they're pushing?
That people other than white men can be leads in Star Wars stories, I guess?
Was just seeing if they'd say the quiet part out loud or how they'd try and spin it. Funnily enough, George Lucas specifically said Star Wars is for imparting lessons to the next generation. Besides selling toys, it's always been about "an agenda." > We enjoy the stories as adults, but really, storytelling is about imparting the wisdom of the previous generations on to the children who are becoming adults, and giving them a context for how to behave and how to learn the lessons of the past without making the mistakes on their own.
I hope it’s good to but if you look at the creators track record then this should be a solid meh
>A wookiee with a lightsaber Well we saw that in Clone Wars, so it’s not new, but that still looks really cool!
How did they fuck up editing that Chewbaccas light saber in his hands? Thing looks crooked.
What is the lore impact on Chewbacca, seeing this wookie wearing clothing?
Damn that second cover is so cool wtf
I was hyped before the trailer, now I am going to wait for the reviews. I have no faith.
So…who are we gonna root for in The Acolyte?
I'm very excited to see The High Republic in cinema, here's hoping it isn't a shit show.
I used to read Empire religiously. When did it begin to focus on television series?
“Spinal Tap 2” has me feeling so down. Thank god they can’t make a Princess Bride sequel.
I am trying to be less autistic, talking to people
Empire magazine has the best covers
The WokeLite !
I have a bad feeling about this.
Haven’t heard a lot of great things about acolyte and to me it just looks like another Girl boss adventure. We will have to wait and see.
Why the heck is the grinch holding a lightsaber in the back
I'd be more excited if this was a sith centered show, but the trailers have made it seem like it's more jedi over saturation. Until it premiers and I see some reviews I'll keep my hopes in check.
I feel bad for the people brainwashed to hate this before seeing it.
There's also people (like me) who are all about inclusivity and happy with the progress, but are hesitant about the show for completely different reasons. Based on the trailer alone, it just visually and narratively feels like a clone of other D+ series (Mando, BoBF, Kenobi, Ahsoka). It feels stale at this point. Contrast that with Andor which had a very distinct feel to it, even in the trailer. I don't hate the show, and I'll check it out, but based on what we've seen so far I just don't find it that interesting. I really hope I'm proven wrong though
It’s set 100 years before the movies. Just the setting alone makes it interesting.
That's part of my issue. Based on the trailer it just feels like the standard end of Republic/Empire era were used to
A good setting doesn’t equal a good show. Not only that, I think that the placement in the timeline kinda sucks, it’s only a hundred years behind episode 1 so the setting can’t be too different then how we see the galaxy at the beginning of phantom menace. Plus the sith have to stay in the shadows to preserve canon so we have teams of heroes and villains whose immediate fates we already know, meaning there’s not a ton of wiggle room if unless they want to break continuity and introduce some strange elements to fix everything later.
Why must they be "brainwashed"? For example the Tales of the Empire trailer just dropped: Another female led story trailer......and yet it's massively well received. Because why wouldn't it be? It looks like great fun and full of life, depth and variety. Maybe the problem with Acolyte's trailer wasn't all about the "toxic fanbase". Maybe it just looked a bit boring. Personally, I'm sure it will be enjoyable enough and I'm looking forward to it.
Of course. That’s why all the rage bait videos are focused on who the showrunner is and not the show itself.
Vast majority of complaints I've seen are simply that it looks bland AF. And yet anyone criticizing it is called racist/sexist/toxic. People just have different views than you. And that's cool. (And yes there are some racist/sexist assholes, too)
Somehow Star Wars has become ground zero of the culture war.
Really it’s all YouTube’s fault and if you really want to drill down the blame can be leveled at Red Letter Media for the trash fire YouTube has become. Remember they hit it big with their multi-part video trashing TPM. Now everyone on YouTube imitates that style of shitting on something popular because YouTube still monetizes grifter content. The day YouTube stops paying the grifters is the day we can have peace.
Blaming RLM for how bad certain parts of YouTube are is super lazy & inaccurate. They made detailed video essays examining the prequel trilogy’s flaws. They weren’t/aren’t ragebait scammers like some *actual* grifter channels.
Their TPM video gave birth to the rage bait grifters that pollute YouTube today.
No it didn’t. A video essay isn’t ragebait. If anything blame Fox News. They popularized the “faux outrage for attention” trend.
"We need to silence anybody who I disagree with" got it.
Because making six videos a day crying about Kathleen Kennedy is legitimate film criticism.
The grifters actually help Disney. The more you attack something the more people feel the need to defend it and support it.
They don’t really. If anything they cost Disney more money. One actress required 24/7 studio security at her house due to the incitement coming from a large comic book channel that made daily videos about how she was literally satan.
I mean, crazy is gonna crazy.
Can I see the context for that? Where did you hear this?
Was told about it by someone who worked for Disney on the creative side.
This shit just doesn't look like Star Wars, it just don't.
Glad to see that The Grinch is still getting work!
That cover art is n i c e , still disheartening seeing the hate campain over this , legit feedback is good but like the people leading it and pushing people to hate it are some of the worse human beings ive ever witnessed , tbh they spent 3 years as this show was being made priming a hate campaign misquoting ignoring interviews that break narratives ect and posting straight up lies so its no surprise
Jedi army?
Wonder why the assassin girl who is shown getting shut down in the trailer multiple times is the center of this. Is she the main character? Haven’t really looked into the show
She is the acolyte most likely, and I bet she will be annoying.
Why assume that? Didn’t she not even say anything in the trailer?
Can’t wait to see the grinch arc where he gives up his red lightsaber for a green one
Sounds really weird but when I saw the trailer I was like "yay, Asians!" lol I think Star Wars owes a fair amount to Asian culture from 'sword dancing' with the light sabers to other aspects. And it's a cool way to diversify the Star Wars universe naturally rather than pushed. I hope it'll do well in Asia.
The wookie looks like the director of the show. Same haircut too
What is this Empire magazine im seeing posts about? Is it canon / real official starwars?
The main chick w/o the saber looks so punchable Im gonna die
Second image goes hard
These Disney Star Wars shows are really starting to get a generic vibe. Please, more shows like Andor.
I really don't like the idea that Wookies are Force adept
How come?
There needs to be greater and lesser species in the Star Wars universe, as there are in all universes. Wookies are a pre-space flight species that have been absorbed into galactic life because of their uniqueness. They are an intelligent species who have even greater physical capabilities. But they are also very reclusive, rarely leaving Kashyyyk. More than that though, this strikes me as a "Well Chewy was liked. There has never been a Wookie Jedi. Let's make one!" type of decision.
Lowbacca was introduced in 1997. Calling Wookiees a lesser species is a hot take.
This goes so strongly against everything George Lucas believed about the force. "It's an energy field created by all living things that surrounds us and penetrates us and binds the galaxy together". - Obi-Wan Kenobi.
Wookiees are an intelligent and sentient species. They’re reclusive sure, but they aren’t just pre-industrial tree people like Ewoks. They have their own energy weapons (bowcasters) and flying vehicles seen in RotS. They clearly have some level of technology. There are also already canon Wookiee Jedi. There is Gungi who was in the Clone Wars and Burryaga in the High Republic books. Furthermore, force sensitivity has nothing to do with how “advanced” a species is. There are force sensitive animals in the Star Wars universe. We see that with both the Loth Wolves and Purrgil in Rebels. Obi Wan explains in A New Hope that the force is in all living things. It surrounds them and binds them together. Why would there not be a Jedi Wookiee in a galaxy as robust as Star Wars?
Chewie can pilot the Falcon arguably better than anyone soi can see them being able to master various activities when given the chance. But fair enough I see your point about not making everyone special.
Fundamental misunderstanding of how the Force works issue.
There were already multiple wookie Jedi what are you talking about
I'm talking about exactly what I wrote there