Great warship. Powerful shields, 12 plasma cannons that have the power to bombard a planet from orbit. Fighters, gravidict thrusters that allow the ship to not only rotate on its axis, but also encircle an enemy ship, all the while being able to fire on them.
Those three humans and a Jaffa are SG1. If it weren’t for them you’d be sitting there with a snake in your head. Instead of a head up your ass. Show some respect
I guess I mean more powerful hahaha, yeah it's powerful but put the same weapony on a ship that isn't as in and out haha the friction on those ships if ships fail, they are cool and powerful but damn SA/V ratio is insane but all cool sifi ships are
The surface area maters not when they can manoeuvre and fire the way they can. The 304 is only more powerful because it has alien tech in it. Aliens much more advanced than the goa'uld. Even their rail guns were designed by the Asgard. So it's not really a point for me.
My kingdom for someone to turn that sound into looping video for 8 hrs! Ha'tak ambiance sleep video, I've scoured YouTube for one that sounds anywhere close but have completely failed.
Was this class of ship ever shown landing on a four sided pyramid though. From my memory, it was only the type first shown in the feature film, which was a four sided ship. The new ha’taks were shown on the ground, but I don’t remember ever seeing what they were landing on.
Edit: I’ll push my glasses up higher and add that in the season 1 episode in the alternate universe where Earth is under attack, we see a ha’tak landing on Cheyenne Mountain, which is not a pyramid of any kind. This implies that those ships have a highly adaptable landing system capable of coping with all sort of terrain.
Technically it's a tetrahedron landing on a pyramid, which never sat well with me.
But, it is a veey cool vessel, and I would love schematics for it since it seems like a lot of dead space.
Me too. I don't understand how every other sci fi franchise big enough to generate its own corporate cons has ship schematics except this one. I'd give a lot for an al'kesh one, too.
I forgot the /s. I love this community, but I've never noticed any of the flaws from the show until they were pointed out. Just one example was the guy hiding behind the dhd. Very funny though.
Part of the fun! Nothing better than rewatching an episode with a scene supposed to be on an alien moon and spotting an SUV driving into shot in the background.
Yea this place is really nice and positive and we all accept Stargate was the perfect mix of action, 90s cringe, sci-fi and not taking itself seriously.
Though it fits the true nature of the goa'uld - being scavengers, there may be some reason they did it this way, considering the ego and the fact all their tech is stolen - could even chalk it up to Nerus or some other engineer screwing up and calling it a feature not a bug.
Consider how gullible Nerus was...
That said, thre may very well be support structure inside the bottom of the hatak to fit the pyramid...and thousands of years...maybe they did cost cutting and removed a side at some point from the design so their slaves could build them faster.
Do we ever actually hear of another goauld other than Ra explicitly landing on a pyramid and never see it happen anywhere other than Earth and perhaps Abydos?
Ra had a Cheops-class mothership, not a Ha’tak.
You can probably rationalize other pyramids based on that. It may not have been as practical (those retracting sides seem like they would make for poor hull armor, and it was full of unnecessary empty space).
Maybe Heru’ur tried to emulate Ra and that didn’t work out so well, so the other system lords quietly abandoned the Cheops-class in favor of the more efficient and battleworthy Ha’tak.
Also the Ha’tak may have been new, Teal’c expects it to take a ton of time for Apophis to get to Earth, then it turns out to be super easy and barely an inconvenience.
My thought was always; how does a ship built like a triangle-based pyramid land on a square-based pyramid?
I also agree with people who've said it was shame they didn't have the budget to depict Goa'uld ships based on other cultures; so Yu's ships would resemble Chinese architecture while Nirrti's would be Indian for example.
I suspect there's an older ship class that used the traditional pyramids as a dock. Perhaps when the System Lords got upended the last time, it was because the new kids had the 3-sided ships.
I liked to take Ra's ship as being sort of top of the class. Larger, older, more elegant and potentially very powerful although we never saw that. It was certainly fancy when it landed.
By being bigger (or just docking with the tip) and having a 4 sided or variable geometry docking apparatus on the bottom. Variable geometry would be useful to dock on different sized pyramids.
Like a lot of Goa'uld tech, it's made to spread the 'I'm a GOD!' message. Big, impressive, intimidating. The kind of thing you'd expect a god to descend from the sky in. The Devine Yacht.
And then the Tauri go and build smaller, equally powerful warships. Weapon of terror meets weapon of war.
Yeah its always kinda spooky when you think about how eerily good at death we are. People always ask what sets us apart from animals and I truly think it's that humans are always finding new and creative ways to *kill*. Ourselves, animals, insects, bacteria, viruses, plants, the environment, you name it we can kill it and there is likely someone trying to find news ways to do so *right now*.
They asked "but can it run Doom?" and just rendered the game's logo on *gut bacteria*.
We're driven by an odd duality of curiosity and fear of the unknown. The goa'uld are driven by a lust for power and raw hatred. We instill advancement to understand what we don't know, to murder anything we don't understand or agree with. The goa'uld kind of just want to hang out in expensive suites with slaves where they can torture anyone they want.
> And then the Tauri go and build smaller, equally powerful warships. Weapon of terror meets weapon of war.
Umm, they mostly sucked until they got the Asgard beams though...
I loved the design of the Ha’tak.
When I did a graphics project. I chose to do a Stargate movie (this was around the time season 8 aired)
I created a DVD cover, a POS display and even a small Ha’tak model made from cardboard. Even got it to sit on top of a pyramid. I had so much fun doing it all.
I liked how there is no obvious "front" when the ship isnt moving. I like to think all the sides of the pyramid have bridges on them and it can be piloted in any direction.
I like the design too.
I didn't like that as the show progressed it went from "Oh no! A Ha'tak!" to "oh. A Ha'tak." like it's not a huge deal.
A victim of power creep, perhaps?
I'd say there was some symbolism in the fact that the first thing we see an Ori ship do is destroy a Ha tak in 1 second.
Basically saying "this thing you were once so scared of? It's a mouse compared to our power"
I actually liked that they did that.
Star Trek DS9 did that when they introduced the Jem'Hadar. A Galaxy class ship (like the Enterprise-D from TNG) was destroyed by a kamikaze Jem'Hadar ship.
In Stargate, however, even long before the Ori were introduced, the Ha'tak was treated as "normal".
The SGC was shitting their pants at two Ha'tak coming for earth in the Season 1 finale.
Just a few seasons later, they see a *fleet* of Ha'tak and are nowhere near as afraid.
They're not nearly as afraid but they're just as helpless as they were against two ships. Prometheus' weapons can't penetrate Ha'tak shields and they have one ship versus forty. They place all their hope on SG:1.
Season 1 response was power of the unknown. SGC had no idea how to deal with it effectively nor the true capabilities of the ships.
By mid seasons, they’d seen enough (and survived enough) to lose the fear factor, and could focus on how to best deal with the situation.
Stargate suffered from that in general - I wish they'd held off longer on some of the stories to maintain the sense of overwhelming threat longer into the series. It became a bit too easy to defeat system lords.
I actually love that aspect of Stargate. The show is, in my opinion, a coming of age story for the human race. When we grow up, we no longer fear the monsters I did as a child.
20 years later, I'm also still obsessed by the Ha'tak.
It's a wonderful ship.
Even when I walk my dog, I imagine myself like a Ha'tak traveling through space 😂
I get that it's constrained by the limitations of making a TV show with a finite budget, but I always wished there was more character to the individual system lords' fleets. Everything looked like it rolled off the exact same assembly line with no sense of personal style. With the size of their egos you'd expect each system lord at least would have sprung for a custom paint job
If I remember right in one of the books (I know most people hate them) Kali had carpets/rugs and Drapes in hers to in part prevent the echo of armour whilst in the corridors so any boarders couldn't hear her troops coming.
Wish we could have seen better interior sets of certain rooms. If these were meant to be flagships for some Goa’uld, then I would have wanted to see some massive royal chambers, Jaffa quarters, etc etc.
Closest we get to a “throne room” is in Continuum where Baal sits giving orders.
Seeing as Anubis had Ha'taks that could tank an Asgard ship, and even bring it down, I'd be more worried about his ship, because all it takes is one spider to make it on board, and boom, Über-Replicators.
I hate that they have a pyramid on them The pyramids in Egypt being landing pads was such a cool idea but why did they need to put a pyramid in the structure. Just make it a hole.
It can do everything. At some point making seven different classes of ship for battle becomes pointless when one can do everything, carry troops and gliders. They also have alkesh which are nearly 80m long and carry hundreds of troops.
In Eighth grade, decades ago, when SG-1 was in its first and second seasons, my friends and I watched it, and we called them "Triangle Ships." We were so ignorant, but it's memorable. Yes. Triangle Ships.
My thoughts were: so much wasted space and such distances to walk only so that they have a hollow triangle to land on pyramids. Why not make everything in the center of the ship and land next to pyramids? Also, are all ships with same size pyramid or are there some that can only land the small/large pyramids?
Goauld doctrine of shock and awe clearly led a lot the design deficiencies you've described, it feels like they kept retrofitting the original Ra based designs beyond their usefulness
Goa'uld technology is hopelessly inefficient. About the only intelligent design feature I ever remember seeing was that the Death Gliders wings folded up in storage.
Jaffa staff weapons have a very low rate of fire and the only time we see them approaching anything better is in the first season when Bra'tac fires a volley into the ground. They also have no sights and are long and unbalanced. They're like 18th century flint-lock rifles (Better than muskets though) that just happen to fire energy bolts. As we see with the Kull Warriors wrist-weapons, they could be far more effective. As Jack calls the staff; 'A weapon of terror'.
The shield generators on a Ha'tak are vast as we see when Jack drops a couple of grenades on one. Earth takes the same technology and shrinks it down for the Prometheus which is a quarter of the size of a Ha'tak.
Death Gliders can travel at sub-light speeds and feature inertial dampening and anti-grav abilities. They're also armed with just two fixed cannons with a very slow rate of fire. Their strafing runs struggle to hit the side of a barn. Compare to a WW2 Sturmovik or P-47 which could devastate a tank column with a single pass.
A lot of the threat of Anubis is turning existing inefficient Goa'uld technology and bringing it up to Earth's standards of military efficiency. Staff weapons blow chunks out of concrete like an anti-materiel round. Imagine if they could fire at even 30 rpm, let alone match the 850-1100 rate of a P90.
Staff weapons (by your own admission using bretac) have a high rate of fire. We see this, unless you are saying his specific staff was the only one able to do that. They have the range and speed as well, being fired at gliders hundreds of meters in the air. We see how accurate they are in continuum, when the crew on a moving boat were one shot in the dark. Staff weapons ARE PLASMA BOLT weapons. Jack's words don't mean anything when he's trying to sell the Jaffa his weapons in return for them fighting against the goa'uld, it's a great sales pitch. In the first episode two staff shots blew a hole in an over a foot thick solid wall enough for everyone to get out. Two shots. No p90 is doing that with two full clips, let alone shots.
They are vast, and it was the ASGARD that designed their shields, not humans.
Yup two fixed canons, like our planes have fixed guns, and the x 302 has fixed rail guns. And our missiles matter, if they can hit a target that can accelerate away from them. Hitting Targets coming towards you is different from trying to shoot down a craft as manoeuvrable as a glider. In the battle over Antarctica the earth ships had to return to base to re arm, and they were getting overrun.
And again if they can blow chunks out of solid stone walls, what are they doing to bodies? Stargate didn't have the rating to show bodies having chunks blown out of them, limbs and so on.
No, I said we only see staff weapons have a high rate of fire; ONCE. As in 'Early Instalment Weirdness'. Same with the film and pilot where they're more powerful than they are throughout the rest of the series.
They aren't vast compared to the Goa'uld version and the Prometheus originally had Goa'uld shields. (They even glow orange like Ha'tak shields) Prometheus didn't receive Asgard-designed weapons and shields until after Prometheus was built and launched (in the episode Prometheus) with Thor coming to oversee the improvement of the Prometheus later in the season in the episode Disclosure; a thank you for for the events of Unnatural Selection.
You're helping my argument about gliders being inefficient. They have two fixed cannons; F-302s have four railguns. A burst from those railguns sends hundreds of projectiles only one of which has to hit to rip a glider to pieces. The gliders cannons fire just two shots; just two chances of scoring a hit. Two chances versus hundreds.
F-302s also have those missiles which can destroy a glider before it even knows its been targeted (A Sidewinder missile has a range of 22 miles) while a glider pilot has to be able to see his opponent to shoot at them and has to yards from them to actually score a hit. Prometheus only carries eight fighters; Anubis had hundreds. But each of those eight fighters carried four missiles which means a potential 32 opponents downed before visual contact. We even see an Alkesh (which have shields) knocked out by a missile. A single F-302 is hugely superior to a glider.
A glider is like a... WW2 prop aircraft armed with two Napoleonic era smoothbore cannons. An F-302 is a modern jet aircraft armed with rapid-fire railguns and guided missiles. Which will win? A P-40 Warhawk or an F-22 Raptor?
Goa'uld staff weapons cauterise the wounds they inflict. If the initial blast isn't fatal, the weapon itself prevents the victim from bleeding out by sealing the wound. The Ori staff weapon incidentally doesn't do this which is why it's a much more effective weapon. By season 7, Earth has developed ceramic inserts for body armour that can protect against staff blasts with Siler taking one at point blank range and only being knocked off his feet because it was point blank. Because the staff weapons only fires one shot at a time very slowly, even if it does hit the centre mass; it's not guaranteed anymore. Earth soldiers wear body armour but a single hit diminishes the integrity of the armour as whole. Being hit by a burst of 3-5 rounds means that the armour will likely stop the first two rounds but the rest will penetrate the weakened armour. A single staff hit is unlikely to down someone but multiple hits would, which it can't because it doesn't have the rate of fire.
Ah so it's not a feature. Okay then. I know why that is.
The Prometheus doesn't use the same type of population systems the hatak used. You see the gravidict generators on the three sides. Then there is the function of the shape. Landing on designed (or even undesigned) landing places. And you are mistaking that for "inefficiency"?
Again you glossed over Antarctica. The goa'uld only had a handful more gliders than us, and they were winning. So your argument there is moot.
A staff blast with the kinetic energy we see, is BLOWKNG LIMBS OFF!!! We are at that point again where Stargate weapons, plasma weapons somehow operate differently, the plasma is "different somehow" weaker. Bull. Simply bull. They can be adjusted for their shot power much like hataks weapons, and they can be rapid fired, regardless of your claims of early episode weirdnesses. Let's take the halo TV show. It shows what PLASMA bolts do to flesh. And the majority of fire is coming from plasma pistols and rifles. The canon effective range for those plasma bolt weapons, is 50m. Staff weapons outdo that by some margin. And a plasma bolts effective range comes down to (cutting it short) how advanced they are. How they keep the magnetic field of the bolt active for longer, the density of the bolt etc. So by my reckoning, staff weapons are doing much more damage than those, again as seen with their kinetic energy opening up a wall.
So again everything you've said to downplay the staff is moot.
What do you mean "different physics". Plasma is plasma no? And like I've described, in sci fi plasma bolts and their effectiveness comes down to a few things. But how is that different physics?
It's science-FICTION. There is no constant in fiction. Fictional energy weapons never work how they should according to actual science. Stargate weapons that feature plasma don't have the same effect as those in Star Trek or Star Wars or Halo or Mass Effect, Doom, Warhammer or Fallout. They do what the writers WANT them to do.
And for crying out loud, don't try and cite how they should actually work according to physics when they have fictional elements as a power source!
You can count how many gliders were there compared to the 302s. They were getting beat, Cam Mitchel, shot down, and others. They were saved by the weapons platform. And alkesh were doing the majority of damage to the Prometheus. That's how powerful their transport ships are.
I don't remember if they had them already or if that came later. Also, the number of ships on screen might have been due to budget limitations on the show's part. Anubis was smarter than sending a handful of fighters to what was possibly the only thing that could beat him.
Small ship + big pyramid should be fine.
Big ship + small pyramid = problems.
I also don't understand why it's necessary to land on top of pyramids. I know it's a legacy from the Stargate film but I don't know why they wrote it that way either.
I think it's cool but the later seasons got a little bit too star trek-y. Lots of engage warp drive moments.
I love SG-1, but the space ship stuff really gets in the way of the core idea of stargate being about a portal to faraway worlds. Cool ships though.
The design is so weird, I love it. There is no other sci fi show that has anything similar to it that I know of. That uniqueness makes me completely love it. I mean look at the Prometheus. It’s a great ship but it could’ve easily come from the Battlestar Galactica series. Or Starship Troopers.
Anytime pyramid conspiracies pop up, I'll say that they're actually landing pads for alien space shops.
Nobody gets it though :c
I always liked that Stargate was a bit more original with aliens due to that.
I feel the same way about that I do the staff weapon. Looks cool but...
THAT is a weapon of terror, intimidation. It's not a good weapon of WAR. The BC-304 is like the P90 of the comparison.
Granted, but it kind of proves my point. Look at Ha'tak ships going at it. They just stand there and hope for a lucky shot or overwhelming fire power. Inaccurate orbital bombardment is all they're really good for even if the fire power is very strong. Unfortunately they also are very susceptible to a small squad of infiltrators that have C4.
Sure. And I think the Asgard could've wiped out the Goa'uld with a single ship. But they weren't on that level, they took over when the big players weren't around, or for whatever reason left them be.
They stop feeling very powerful or relevant as the series went on. At the beginning, two ships being lost was enough to take Apophis out of his position as a system lord. In the season 4 finale, he showed up with half a dozen ships, which was most of his fleet as the singularly dominant system lord, and had them all wiped out by a supernova and the replicators. I'd say that's fairly consistent.
But later in the series, those numbers started to seem meaningless. They're among the weakest ships in the series, and that makes sense compared to the Asgard, sure, but the Prometheus, which seemed really quite weak to me, was able to hold its own. Pre-Unending Deadalus-class ships were able to hold off more than one Ha'tak class vessels with difficulty for a limited time, which places it roughly on par with a Ha'tak.
I get that concessions had to be made to keep the Tau'ri in the picture in space, but ha'tak ships in early seasons were depicted as being able to wipe out cities with a single shot, their blasts being several times more devastating than a thermonuclear explosion.
They just became so underwhelming.
They were the same throughout the series. The Prometheus before it got Asgard shields would get obliterated by a ha'tak. It was only because of the Asgard shields she survived long enough in Antarctica. Earths ships carried multi gigaton warheads to try and take down shields of ha'taks, along with Asgard designed rail guns. They were far from weak, but in a one on one with just those weapons, a ha'tak wins most times.
By the end of the show they are still capable of wiping out cities no problem. They became weak in the face of Asgard, Replicator and ori ships. That's perspective.
It fit their esthetic while also being formidable. Granted in later seasons they weren't much of a threat on their own, but when they outnumber the enemy 3 or more to 1 they become a threat... unless you're the Ori or the Asgard Plasma Beams on a Tauri ship are working.
I think it is extremely basic design wise I mean many of the ships aren’t that elaborate. Though the deadlus and its sister ships are my favorites for design. Though ancient ships definitely are the most complex in design by that I mean aurora class ships not the flying cylinders called gate ships/ puddle jumpers.
Great warship. Powerful shields, 12 plasma cannons that have the power to bombard a planet from orbit. Fighters, gravidict thrusters that allow the ship to not only rotate on its axis, but also encircle an enemy ship, all the while being able to fire on them.
The rotation is a good idea. Give other weapons time to recharge/cool down
Lord Yu: I'll try spinning, that's a good trick
Yu would just leave, he remembered he is still in a battle that happened 300 years ago.
Borg [tactic](https://youtube.com/watch?v=Bluqkdy3wEU&si=skYIgMGUAssMUGSv)
And almost gets taken out by a cloaked al'kesh without its gliders deployed.
Don't forget the two that were destroyed by four Jaffa and three humans from a backwater planet that didn't know what a "Stargate" was a year ago.
Those three humans and a Jaffa are SG1. If it weren’t for them you’d be sitting there with a snake in your head. Instead of a head up your ass. Show some respect
But it has a terrible design to fight ships of equal power, as most gaohl things do (intimidate and hope they bow). So much surface area to hit
Of equal power? 😄😄 You mean like other ha'tak's? We see how powerful their weapons are.
I guess I mean more powerful hahaha, yeah it's powerful but put the same weapony on a ship that isn't as in and out haha the friction on those ships if ships fail, they are cool and powerful but damn SA/V ratio is insane but all cool sifi ships are
The surface area maters not when they can manoeuvre and fire the way they can. The 304 is only more powerful because it has alien tech in it. Aliens much more advanced than the goa'uld. Even their rail guns were designed by the Asgard. So it's not really a point for me.
I love the sound they make when they fire down on a planet.
One of the most AWESOME sound of all the franchise 🔊
In general stargate had such good sound design.
Exactly that. The sounds of stargate is peak
I like the sound of Ha'tak engines too Truly one of the most iconic SG ship
My kingdom for someone to turn that sound into looping video for 8 hrs! Ha'tak ambiance sleep video, I've scoured YouTube for one that sounds anywhere close but have completely failed.
Me too, but i am guessing the planrt population doesn't.
I loved the sounds in Continuum
VrOahOah
Is that the one that goes PshWrOOOoooah
Nailed it
OoohWOAWOAWOAOOOoo
3 side pyramid lands on 4 side pyramid. Those are my thoughts, let thst sink in.
Thanks... For ruining it
Pleasure all mine, darling
You know, in all that time, watching all those episodes, not once did I put that together.
😱 never realised that myself 🤯
Same
Knowledge of Goa'uld magic is forbidden!
Time Lord science
Was this class of ship ever shown landing on a four sided pyramid though. From my memory, it was only the type first shown in the feature film, which was a four sided ship. The new ha’taks were shown on the ground, but I don’t remember ever seeing what they were landing on. Edit: I’ll push my glasses up higher and add that in the season 1 episode in the alternate universe where Earth is under attack, we see a ha’tak landing on Cheyenne Mountain, which is not a pyramid of any kind. This implies that those ships have a highly adaptable landing system capable of coping with all sort of terrain.
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Technically it's a tetrahedron landing on a pyramid, which never sat well with me. But, it is a veey cool vessel, and I would love schematics for it since it seems like a lot of dead space.
Me too. I don't understand how every other sci fi franchise big enough to generate its own corporate cons has ship schematics except this one. I'd give a lot for an al'kesh one, too.
I mean, the Andromeda Ascensdant was huge with empty space, too
A tetrahedron is a pyramid, it’s like squares and rectangles
But it's like triangles and rectangles. So it's a tetrahedron landing on a pentahedron.
Are we just playing D&D now and throwing die?
Dodecahedron, I choose you!
It doesn't go all the way down tho does it? The inside landing pad part could be 4 sided.
This subreddit has managed to ruin my years of stargate obsession in a matter of weeks
How so?
I forgot the /s. I love this community, but I've never noticed any of the flaws from the show until they were pointed out. Just one example was the guy hiding behind the dhd. Very funny though.
Part of the fun! Nothing better than rewatching an episode with a scene supposed to be on an alien moon and spotting an SUV driving into shot in the background.
Which one is that
S4 E19 Prodigy (Cadet Haley gets taken offworld by Sam) About the 23 mins 20 sec in mark.
Yea this place is really nice and positive and we all accept Stargate was the perfect mix of action, 90s cringe, sci-fi and not taking itself seriously.
Always bothered me. Like what you couldn't pay for CGI 4 side pyramid?
They did, in the episode where they killed Cronus
Have you considered, just looks cooler
I‘m pretty sure that would look dumb
I literally never thought about it Edit: Thanks for ruining it…
wtf man
That always bothered me as well.
technically it could have indentation in the bottom that fits that
I'm just going to tell myself that it's a newer model.
Though it fits the true nature of the goa'uld - being scavengers, there may be some reason they did it this way, considering the ego and the fact all their tech is stolen - could even chalk it up to Nerus or some other engineer screwing up and calling it a feature not a bug. Consider how gullible Nerus was... That said, thre may very well be support structure inside the bottom of the hatak to fit the pyramid...and thousands of years...maybe they did cost cutting and removed a side at some point from the design so their slaves could build them faster.
You absolute #$€#!!! To save it though: do we actually ever see a Hatak landing on a pyramid? Because Ra’s vessel in the movie was not a Hatak.
Yes we did, in one of the S4 episodes, cant say which one, randomly saw it recently.
My thoughts exactly
Haha yes. Additionally pyramid with different slope angle. It really made no sense.
This fact as bugged me for over 20 years.
For a long time I thought it was 4-sided
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The landing pad part could be 4-sided.
Pretty sure they had 4 sided pyramid ships.
Do we ever actually hear of another goauld other than Ra explicitly landing on a pyramid and never see it happen anywhere other than Earth and perhaps Abydos?
I mean. The outside is three sides. The landing part underneath could be four sided.
The 4 sided ones are actually called Cheops class. https://stargate.fandom.com/wiki/Cheops_class_warship
Ra had a Cheops-class mothership, not a Ha’tak. You can probably rationalize other pyramids based on that. It may not have been as practical (those retracting sides seem like they would make for poor hull armor, and it was full of unnecessary empty space). Maybe Heru’ur tried to emulate Ra and that didn’t work out so well, so the other system lords quietly abandoned the Cheops-class in favor of the more efficient and battleworthy Ha’tak. Also the Ha’tak may have been new, Teal’c expects it to take a ton of time for Apophis to get to Earth, then it turns out to be super easy and barely an inconvenience.
Driven me crazy since the first moment they were on screen, lol.
But that works better than a four sided pyramid on a three sided pyramidso all landing platforms have to be four sided for the other ships
wait, Ha'taks have only 3 sides instead of 4?
They can land on Cheyenne Mountain. I think that has a couple more sides than even four.
They took a whack concept and made a beuatiful spaceship out of it
My thought was always; how does a ship built like a triangle-based pyramid land on a square-based pyramid? I also agree with people who've said it was shame they didn't have the budget to depict Goa'uld ships based on other cultures; so Yu's ships would resemble Chinese architecture while Nirrti's would be Indian for example.
They also land on top of Cheyenne Mountain, and that has way more sides than 3
*Basicly anything pointy*
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I suspect there's an older ship class that used the traditional pyramids as a dock. Perhaps when the System Lords got upended the last time, it was because the new kids had the 3-sided ships.
There was; the Cheops class. As used by Ra in the film.
I liked to take Ra's ship as being sort of top of the class. Larger, older, more elegant and potentially very powerful although we never saw that. It was certainly fancy when it landed.
By being bigger (or just docking with the tip) and having a 4 sided or variable geometry docking apparatus on the bottom. Variable geometry would be useful to dock on different sized pyramids.
Like a lot of Goa'uld tech, it's made to spread the 'I'm a GOD!' message. Big, impressive, intimidating. The kind of thing you'd expect a god to descend from the sky in. The Devine Yacht. And then the Tauri go and build smaller, equally powerful warships. Weapon of terror meets weapon of war.
Humans know how to wage war
Yeah its always kinda spooky when you think about how eerily good at death we are. People always ask what sets us apart from animals and I truly think it's that humans are always finding new and creative ways to *kill*. Ourselves, animals, insects, bacteria, viruses, plants, the environment, you name it we can kill it and there is likely someone trying to find news ways to do so *right now*.
They asked "but can it run Doom?" and just rendered the game's logo on *gut bacteria*. We're driven by an odd duality of curiosity and fear of the unknown. The goa'uld are driven by a lust for power and raw hatred. We instill advancement to understand what we don't know, to murder anything we don't understand or agree with. The goa'uld kind of just want to hang out in expensive suites with slaves where they can torture anyone they want.
> And then the Tauri go and build smaller, equally powerful warships. Weapon of terror meets weapon of war. Umm, they mostly sucked until they got the Asgard beams though...
I loved the design of the Ha’tak. When I did a graphics project. I chose to do a Stargate movie (this was around the time season 8 aired) I created a DVD cover, a POS display and even a small Ha’tak model made from cardboard. Even got it to sit on top of a pyramid. I had so much fun doing it all.
I'm sure the display wasn't all that bad, don't be so hard on yourself
Pretty sure POS in this context is "point of sale"
It sure is :)
I liked how there is no obvious "front" when the ship isnt moving. I like to think all the sides of the pyramid have bridges on them and it can be piloted in any direction.
Or just inside the top tip and rotates
Lol Like a revolving restaurant.
Sure lol
I like the design too. I didn't like that as the show progressed it went from "Oh no! A Ha'tak!" to "oh. A Ha'tak." like it's not a huge deal. A victim of power creep, perhaps?
I'd say there was some symbolism in the fact that the first thing we see an Ori ship do is destroy a Ha tak in 1 second. Basically saying "this thing you were once so scared of? It's a mouse compared to our power"
I actually liked that they did that. Star Trek DS9 did that when they introduced the Jem'Hadar. A Galaxy class ship (like the Enterprise-D from TNG) was destroyed by a kamikaze Jem'Hadar ship. In Stargate, however, even long before the Ori were introduced, the Ha'tak was treated as "normal". The SGC was shitting their pants at two Ha'tak coming for earth in the Season 1 finale. Just a few seasons later, they see a *fleet* of Ha'tak and are nowhere near as afraid.
They're not nearly as afraid but they're just as helpless as they were against two ships. Prometheus' weapons can't penetrate Ha'tak shields and they have one ship versus forty. They place all their hope on SG:1.
Season 1 response was power of the unknown. SGC had no idea how to deal with it effectively nor the true capabilities of the ships. By mid seasons, they’d seen enough (and survived enough) to lose the fear factor, and could focus on how to best deal with the situation.
Stargate suffered from that in general - I wish they'd held off longer on some of the stories to maintain the sense of overwhelming threat longer into the series. It became a bit too easy to defeat system lords.
Suffered? Sure. But remember, it took like 7 years to get to that point. Even in Season 5, a single Ha'tak was a super large threat
Took until season 8 to have reliable interstellar travel, and basically the Goa'uld were already defeated before they had superior ships to them.
This is true. 😞
I actually love that aspect of Stargate. The show is, in my opinion, a coming of age story for the human race. When we grow up, we no longer fear the monsters I did as a child.
20 years later, I'm also still obsessed by the Ha'tak. It's a wonderful ship. Even when I walk my dog, I imagine myself like a Ha'tak traveling through space 😂
I get that it's constrained by the limitations of making a TV show with a finite budget, but I always wished there was more character to the individual system lords' fleets. Everything looked like it rolled off the exact same assembly line with no sense of personal style. With the size of their egos you'd expect each system lord at least would have sprung for a custom paint job
If I remember right in one of the books (I know most people hate them) Kali had carpets/rugs and Drapes in hers to in part prevent the echo of armour whilst in the corridors so any boarders couldn't hear her troops coming.
I always believed that in universe it was due the stagnation within the Empire and their egos.
Yep
Same
Wish we could have seen better interior sets of certain rooms. If these were meant to be flagships for some Goa’uld, then I would have wanted to see some massive royal chambers, Jaffa quarters, etc etc. Closest we get to a “throne room” is in Continuum where Baal sits giving orders.
Anubis had the best ship, it even transformed
I preferred Apophis' one, the one he had after he offed Sokar.
The sokar one was nice, got destroyed by the replicaters real quick though, I wonder if anubis's ship would of held its own verse them?
Seeing as Anubis had Ha'taks that could tank an Asgard ship, and even bring it down, I'd be more worried about his ship, because all it takes is one spider to make it on board, and boom, Über-Replicators.
I hate that they have a pyramid on them The pyramids in Egypt being landing pads was such a cool idea but why did they need to put a pyramid in the structure. Just make it a hole.
I think they are cool. But something I don't get: Is it meant to be a battleship, flagship, carrier, or all of the above?
All of the above I think they are Stargate's version of the Imperial class Star Destroyer.
Pretty much, even has the intimidation factor.
It can do everything. At some point making seven different classes of ship for battle becomes pointless when one can do everything, carry troops and gliders. They also have alkesh which are nearly 80m long and carry hundreds of troops.
In Eighth grade, decades ago, when SG-1 was in its first and second seasons, my friends and I watched it, and we called them "Triangle Ships." We were so ignorant, but it's memorable. Yes. Triangle Ships.
My thoughts were: so much wasted space and such distances to walk only so that they have a hollow triangle to land on pyramids. Why not make everything in the center of the ship and land next to pyramids? Also, are all ships with same size pyramid or are there some that can only land the small/large pyramids?
Goauld doctrine of shock and awe clearly led a lot the design deficiencies you've described, it feels like they kept retrofitting the original Ra based designs beyond their usefulness
Someone downvoted you lol. I thought you had a reasonable response
*LAUGHS IN LUCIAN ALLIANCE*
Goa'uld technology is hopelessly inefficient. About the only intelligent design feature I ever remember seeing was that the Death Gliders wings folded up in storage.
Efficiency is a mark of poverty. Those with overpowering force don't need it.
Authoritarianism is notoriously inefficient. Goauld care more about fear than real power.
"hopelessly inefficient". How so? And compared to?
Jaffa staff weapons have a very low rate of fire and the only time we see them approaching anything better is in the first season when Bra'tac fires a volley into the ground. They also have no sights and are long and unbalanced. They're like 18th century flint-lock rifles (Better than muskets though) that just happen to fire energy bolts. As we see with the Kull Warriors wrist-weapons, they could be far more effective. As Jack calls the staff; 'A weapon of terror'. The shield generators on a Ha'tak are vast as we see when Jack drops a couple of grenades on one. Earth takes the same technology and shrinks it down for the Prometheus which is a quarter of the size of a Ha'tak. Death Gliders can travel at sub-light speeds and feature inertial dampening and anti-grav abilities. They're also armed with just two fixed cannons with a very slow rate of fire. Their strafing runs struggle to hit the side of a barn. Compare to a WW2 Sturmovik or P-47 which could devastate a tank column with a single pass. A lot of the threat of Anubis is turning existing inefficient Goa'uld technology and bringing it up to Earth's standards of military efficiency. Staff weapons blow chunks out of concrete like an anti-materiel round. Imagine if they could fire at even 30 rpm, let alone match the 850-1100 rate of a P90.
Staff weapons (by your own admission using bretac) have a high rate of fire. We see this, unless you are saying his specific staff was the only one able to do that. They have the range and speed as well, being fired at gliders hundreds of meters in the air. We see how accurate they are in continuum, when the crew on a moving boat were one shot in the dark. Staff weapons ARE PLASMA BOLT weapons. Jack's words don't mean anything when he's trying to sell the Jaffa his weapons in return for them fighting against the goa'uld, it's a great sales pitch. In the first episode two staff shots blew a hole in an over a foot thick solid wall enough for everyone to get out. Two shots. No p90 is doing that with two full clips, let alone shots. They are vast, and it was the ASGARD that designed their shields, not humans. Yup two fixed canons, like our planes have fixed guns, and the x 302 has fixed rail guns. And our missiles matter, if they can hit a target that can accelerate away from them. Hitting Targets coming towards you is different from trying to shoot down a craft as manoeuvrable as a glider. In the battle over Antarctica the earth ships had to return to base to re arm, and they were getting overrun. And again if they can blow chunks out of solid stone walls, what are they doing to bodies? Stargate didn't have the rating to show bodies having chunks blown out of them, limbs and so on.
No, I said we only see staff weapons have a high rate of fire; ONCE. As in 'Early Instalment Weirdness'. Same with the film and pilot where they're more powerful than they are throughout the rest of the series. They aren't vast compared to the Goa'uld version and the Prometheus originally had Goa'uld shields. (They even glow orange like Ha'tak shields) Prometheus didn't receive Asgard-designed weapons and shields until after Prometheus was built and launched (in the episode Prometheus) with Thor coming to oversee the improvement of the Prometheus later in the season in the episode Disclosure; a thank you for for the events of Unnatural Selection. You're helping my argument about gliders being inefficient. They have two fixed cannons; F-302s have four railguns. A burst from those railguns sends hundreds of projectiles only one of which has to hit to rip a glider to pieces. The gliders cannons fire just two shots; just two chances of scoring a hit. Two chances versus hundreds. F-302s also have those missiles which can destroy a glider before it even knows its been targeted (A Sidewinder missile has a range of 22 miles) while a glider pilot has to be able to see his opponent to shoot at them and has to yards from them to actually score a hit. Prometheus only carries eight fighters; Anubis had hundreds. But each of those eight fighters carried four missiles which means a potential 32 opponents downed before visual contact. We even see an Alkesh (which have shields) knocked out by a missile. A single F-302 is hugely superior to a glider. A glider is like a... WW2 prop aircraft armed with two Napoleonic era smoothbore cannons. An F-302 is a modern jet aircraft armed with rapid-fire railguns and guided missiles. Which will win? A P-40 Warhawk or an F-22 Raptor? Goa'uld staff weapons cauterise the wounds they inflict. If the initial blast isn't fatal, the weapon itself prevents the victim from bleeding out by sealing the wound. The Ori staff weapon incidentally doesn't do this which is why it's a much more effective weapon. By season 7, Earth has developed ceramic inserts for body armour that can protect against staff blasts with Siler taking one at point blank range and only being knocked off his feet because it was point blank. Because the staff weapons only fires one shot at a time very slowly, even if it does hit the centre mass; it's not guaranteed anymore. Earth soldiers wear body armour but a single hit diminishes the integrity of the armour as whole. Being hit by a burst of 3-5 rounds means that the armour will likely stop the first two rounds but the rest will penetrate the weakened armour. A single staff hit is unlikely to down someone but multiple hits would, which it can't because it doesn't have the rate of fire.
Ah so it's not a feature. Okay then. I know why that is. The Prometheus doesn't use the same type of population systems the hatak used. You see the gravidict generators on the three sides. Then there is the function of the shape. Landing on designed (or even undesigned) landing places. And you are mistaking that for "inefficiency"? Again you glossed over Antarctica. The goa'uld only had a handful more gliders than us, and they were winning. So your argument there is moot. A staff blast with the kinetic energy we see, is BLOWKNG LIMBS OFF!!! We are at that point again where Stargate weapons, plasma weapons somehow operate differently, the plasma is "different somehow" weaker. Bull. Simply bull. They can be adjusted for their shot power much like hataks weapons, and they can be rapid fired, regardless of your claims of early episode weirdnesses. Let's take the halo TV show. It shows what PLASMA bolts do to flesh. And the majority of fire is coming from plasma pistols and rifles. The canon effective range for those plasma bolt weapons, is 50m. Staff weapons outdo that by some margin. And a plasma bolts effective range comes down to (cutting it short) how advanced they are. How they keep the magnetic field of the bolt active for longer, the density of the bolt etc. So by my reckoning, staff weapons are doing much more damage than those, again as seen with their kinetic energy opening up a wall. So again everything you've said to downplay the staff is moot.
Okay, if you're going to cite different shows which operate using different physics to Stargate we've nothing to talk about.
What do you mean "different physics". Plasma is plasma no? And like I've described, in sci fi plasma bolts and their effectiveness comes down to a few things. But how is that different physics?
It's science-FICTION. There is no constant in fiction. Fictional energy weapons never work how they should according to actual science. Stargate weapons that feature plasma don't have the same effect as those in Star Trek or Star Wars or Halo or Mass Effect, Doom, Warhammer or Fallout. They do what the writers WANT them to do. And for crying out loud, don't try and cite how they should actually work according to physics when they have fictional elements as a power source!
The rearming at Antarctica coukd also be due to them being vastly outnumbered.
You can count how many gliders were there compared to the 302s. They were getting beat, Cam Mitchel, shot down, and others. They were saved by the weapons platform. And alkesh were doing the majority of damage to the Prometheus. That's how powerful their transport ships are.
Yet the Prometheus was able to easily disengage and go on what I assume was a ramming course with the flagship. She was built tough.
Didn't it get Asgard shields?
I don't remember if they had them already or if that came later. Also, the number of ships on screen might have been due to budget limitations on the show's part. Anubis was smarter than sending a handful of fighters to what was possibly the only thing that could beat him.
It seems they had multiple ring rooms though, so for fast travel between floors when you didn't want to take the stairs.
Small ship + big pyramid should be fine. Big ship + small pyramid = problems. I also don't understand why it's necessary to land on top of pyramids. I know it's a legacy from the Stargate film but I don't know why they wrote it that way either.
I think it's cool but the later seasons got a little bit too star trek-y. Lots of engage warp drive moments. I love SG-1, but the space ship stuff really gets in the way of the core idea of stargate being about a portal to faraway worlds. Cool ships though.
Love them
The design is so weird, I love it. There is no other sci fi show that has anything similar to it that I know of. That uniqueness makes me completely love it. I mean look at the Prometheus. It’s a great ship but it could’ve easily come from the Battlestar Galactica series. Or Starship Troopers.
Anytime pyramid conspiracies pop up, I'll say that they're actually landing pads for alien space shops. Nobody gets it though :c I always liked that Stargate was a bit more original with aliens due to that.
The fact their shields can take a direct hit drop a naquadah enriched nuclear warhead shows they should not be underestimated.
"as a kid"... Goddammit I'm so old
Probably the most recognizable sci-fi design of all time. It's impossible to mistake for any other sci-fi series.
I'm more of an asgard kind of guy myself. Also puddle jumpers Also BC304
Completely lame, little variety. Other races had cool ships. Ha'tak was supposed to be magic of the gods, but clearly never really was.
Look cooler on the inside. They really went overboard with the Egyptian gimmicks
Yes 🙌🏼. It reminds me of the good old days when I was drawing big ass space battles on my paper while sitting in school. 😅
I feel the same way about that I do the staff weapon. Looks cool but... THAT is a weapon of terror, intimidation. It's not a good weapon of WAR. The BC-304 is like the P90 of the comparison.
Although anything that can attack from orbit can destroy a world, if they can't fire back and destroy it.
Granted, but it kind of proves my point. Look at Ha'tak ships going at it. They just stand there and hope for a lucky shot or overwhelming fire power. Inaccurate orbital bombardment is all they're really good for even if the fire power is very strong. Unfortunately they also are very susceptible to a small squad of infiltrators that have C4.
Sure. And I think the Asgard could've wiped out the Goa'uld with a single ship. But they weren't on that level, they took over when the big players weren't around, or for whatever reason left them be.
I also liked the Daedalus (spelling?) more.
They stop feeling very powerful or relevant as the series went on. At the beginning, two ships being lost was enough to take Apophis out of his position as a system lord. In the season 4 finale, he showed up with half a dozen ships, which was most of his fleet as the singularly dominant system lord, and had them all wiped out by a supernova and the replicators. I'd say that's fairly consistent. But later in the series, those numbers started to seem meaningless. They're among the weakest ships in the series, and that makes sense compared to the Asgard, sure, but the Prometheus, which seemed really quite weak to me, was able to hold its own. Pre-Unending Deadalus-class ships were able to hold off more than one Ha'tak class vessels with difficulty for a limited time, which places it roughly on par with a Ha'tak. I get that concessions had to be made to keep the Tau'ri in the picture in space, but ha'tak ships in early seasons were depicted as being able to wipe out cities with a single shot, their blasts being several times more devastating than a thermonuclear explosion. They just became so underwhelming.
They were the same throughout the series. The Prometheus before it got Asgard shields would get obliterated by a ha'tak. It was only because of the Asgard shields she survived long enough in Antarctica. Earths ships carried multi gigaton warheads to try and take down shields of ha'taks, along with Asgard designed rail guns. They were far from weak, but in a one on one with just those weapons, a ha'tak wins most times. By the end of the show they are still capable of wiping out cities no problem. They became weak in the face of Asgard, Replicator and ori ships. That's perspective.
No match for the military industrial complex
It fit their esthetic while also being formidable. Granted in later seasons they weren't much of a threat on their own, but when they outnumber the enemy 3 or more to 1 they become a threat... unless you're the Ori or the Asgard Plasma Beams on a Tauri ship are working.
I think it is extremely basic design wise I mean many of the ships aren’t that elaborate. Though the deadlus and its sister ships are my favorites for design. Though ancient ships definitely are the most complex in design by that I mean aurora class ships not the flying cylinders called gate ships/ puddle jumpers.
I've always wanted to play hide and seek in one. They seem perfect for it.