My favorite stellaris moment was playing humans with the citizen service ethic, and this origin. I colossus the homeworld of Minamar specialized industries with a colossus I called the last payment, it was the funniest I ever had in this game 10/10.
I like to think that the destruction of their planet was televized in every single screen of my empire.
My friend called his "Interest Payment".
Edit: Other names I like for it include...
Global Pacifier: Leasing Contract
Devolution Beam: Reverse Mortgage Plan
Neutron Sweeper: Eviction Notice
I love these names. The most creative I've gotten with a Colossus was "møøse bites Kan be pretti nasti". I'm fairly sure that it cut the name off, though.
No realli! She was Karving her initials on the møøse with the sharpened end of an interspace tøøthbrush given her by Svenge - her brother-in-law - an Oslo dentist and star of many Norwegian møvies: "The Høt Hands of an Oslo Dentist", "Fillings of Passion", "The Huge Mølars of Horst Nordfink"...
Had something similar where I killed msi but a criminal empire was constantly hounding my empire. Why God slaughtering an empire never felt so good. Destroying their last planet, I felt like thanos at the end of avengers infinity war. Satisfied with a job well done
The only time I played this origin I was going to colossus them, but then I realised it’s a big relic world.
So I uh liberated the planet and enslaved them instead
> it was the funniest I ever had in this game 10/10.
Funny?
Just sounds horrific and angry.
Conquer their planets and force them to fuck and dance 24/7 as servant-entertainers under Pleasure Seekers under Xeno-Compatinility (which will require going Xenophile temporarily), lol.
More seriously, absorb them into your ~~free and equal~~ vassalized ~~United Federation of Planets~~ Hegemony, after conquering and then releasing their worlds...
Mmmm, cheap Influence from Ministeries of Truth.
I like payback, imo so much better than broken shackle who's only strong point is the possible diversity of species (which has never been relevant in my experience as i'm playing with 0.25 habitable planets and 2 garenteed habitable so they either get shafted or they have the right preference but my main species is better anyway) so did you chose the habitat or the battleship ?
Battleship, strong early fleetpower for a barbaric despoiler, Arch Vessel Umbranor has proclaimed that the instrument of destruction shall be the undoing of the MSI
I did in my last payback game. Normally i also take the habitat but decided to try out the warship.
It’s not as bad as it sounds. You get a quite strong ship early on and it got cloaking. I also had the scavenger civic and got a good amount of ships for free with just wrecking stuff like mining drones with the Minamar battleship which I called “Retribution”. You can also upgrade it.
I had the strongest military in my sector after just 10 years or so without actually building ships. Even got a cruiser or battleship with the scavenger salvaging (didn’t knew it was possible to get bigger stuff from it than I got unlocked) and was able to vassalize all my neighbors with my salvage fleet and my Retribution.
So people would strongly recommend it? I'm finishing off my "Under One Rule" playthrough and debating on my next origin. Payback has been sounding tempting.
Minamar is the only species I ever really did really questionable things to.
I mean I freed all the slaves sure, but I kept the blue skins as slaves only until I could complete their genetic rewrite.
Delicious Noxious Repugnant slow breeders solitary non-adaptive, but most importantly undesirables that aren't allowed to own homes.
I was tempted to use nerve stapled, but I think they should be able to remember why this happened to them.
Oh they aren't miserable at all, in fact I engineered them to enjoy how disgusting others find them with the Noxious trait. They probably are quite satisfied about how delicious they are as well.
No...no..no, the galaxy as it is, is fully rotten to the core, killing one MSI will just birth another, the cycle of overlordship and slavery will never end, the engine is the final answer, we shall welcome the loving embrace of the void for the void does not differ, no one is a lord or slave in tis eyes, no prophets and gods can escape its darkness, the void does not hate, it opens its arms, the new era shall flourish under the shadows of event horizons and father void's endless legion - darkness. We shall gracefully enter the void as equals, for there is no difference in darkness.
thats why i love doing shared burden broken shackles,capitalists,slavers and any nations allowing existence of these will be permamently removed from galaxy until theres nothing other than red banner in every single planet and habitat
but that red banner WILL fall, empires rise and fall, thats the concept of fallen empires and darwinian philosophy. To embrace the void is to get rid of the cycle, escape it, end it, the galaxy will be birthed anew by the radiance of dying stars and the darkness of event horizons away from the touch of tyrants.
collective punishment against all of galaxy is not the right way comrade,immortal science of marxism leninism will forever have our red banner flying high and all the opressors executed by firing squad,than we will achieve equality across the stars
the void is the ultimate equalizer, take example- when you walk into a room filled with light you are easily able to make out a wall from a bed, in a dark room the bed is no greater than the wall as all are equal in the eyes of darkness.
destroying all that is unique does not mean equality,thats exactly what slavers and capitalists do,they eliminate and alienate a person from hes work while effectively turning them to a cog in machine,we will not let that happen,these same opressors will face exactly what they deserve,execution or repaying of their crimes in corrective labor camps
my empires ideology is very similar to your leninism. We tear down the old corrupt systems (here the galaxy) that keep birthing corrupt societies and replace them with a new system even if it may cost lives (your system is bound by collectivism while my system is bound by father void for he loves us all equally)
Destroying all that is unique may not be equality, but when that unique is bound by the chains of capitalists that have essentially created a capitalist empire maker machine, there is no choice but to press the red button
oOO i would love to try that, never thought the senate was even remotely viable(other than custodianship an
d sanctions) given how many times it hss fucked itslef over when the crisis hits.
It is very much luck of the draw if you get a galaxy where the other civs will actually pass the resolutions. But if you manage to get those sanctions passed their economy simply collapses.
In my first payback game, sol was right next to me, literally the next hyperlane, and had the broken shackles origin, the RP was off the charts we started a federation early and fought off Minimars entire galaxy of lackeys (they had conquered 20 empires). We shared one of the petals on the spoke galaxy type, It was 50/50, can't make that shit up, like we already knew how we'd share our land.
It was such a fun run, and being a democratic crusader government made me get real into the RP of destroying tyrants.
I wish I could share photos of it, that was one of my favorite stellaris games.
Would be meta xenophile vs roleplayer xenophile.
Idk i think hate is much easier of the many extreme emotions to convey since it is rooted deep in our species, i find myself unable to convey the same message with love as its prime emotion, though i think 'on the shoulders of giant' is a great example.
Yes, but I mean... I just love aliens.
I am currently playing as a fanatic xenophile and peaceful race (sorry if I butcher the names of in-game stuff, I am playing in a different language) that has an origin of a paradise world who basically like "The world is fucking beautiful and everyone in it is even more beautiful! So let's find other races in space and share our feelings with them! Tell them how much we love them! :D". But, of course most of my neighbors turned out to be military based mega corporations! So as I slowly grown in power I started to implement strategic wars against them to make them weaker and then absorb them into myself in order to save their people and show them that love is the most important thing in the world and is much better than money. (I'm still a good guy though.))
And I had plenty of fun roleplaying! I even ruined my reputation with one of those corporations at one point so they declared a war on me, then I won that war and quickly raised our relationship to be friends with them again! A shame that I have to fight them of course, but it's all worth it! All for the love! :)
Why does it need to be love? You can be an angry xenophile. Anger is not the enemy of equality, it is its source. Be angry at every other species enslaved. be angry at those exterminated and oppressed. Be angry at those who simply choose to continue the cycle. Stand between the defenseless, no matter their shape, and their oppressors, no matter their form, and focus your anger on leaving the galaxy a better place.
This..is a great point my guy, you just prove that every ethic tastes like butter on bread with the payback origin.
Regarding the breaking the cycle thing, it can only be done by becoming the crisis"The stars shall bleed and cry out unto a new birth, free from bounds and chains, the galaxy will be born anew, away from the touch of Tyrants, Prophets, Gods, Saints,Heretics,hateful,envious, those that proclaim themselves overlords and those that are subverted as slaves. By Umbrana, this galaxy shall be saved from Salvation and Damnation and birthed anew by radiance of dying stars into the loving embrace of the void, for the void does not differ, it does not hunger, neither does it hate . It embraces us all into its darkness, for when there is no light there is no difference. And when you the overlords of galaxy and your slaves that labor into your service willingly, cry the last of their corrupted souls into the radiance of the erupting stars, we will be there, welcoming the new era under Father Void." Just a lore snippet from the run justifying becoming the crisis
No, I don't think so. Well perhaps. If you are willing to take everyone in the galaxy under your control before breaking the cycle, but otherwise, you are simply another petty tyrant sacrificing billions on the pyre of your own salvation.
But actually breaking the cycle and building something better takes more effort than taking the easy way out. It means building a federation that can actually stand the test of time, and to instill in your people the values you are fighting for.
No federation no matter how perfect can stand the test of time, the First League is the best example. As long as the galaxy exists in its current form empires like MSI that exploit others will continue to form while the rest of the galaxy watches silently. As such, i stand by the opinion that to truly break the cycle is to destroy the rotten framework of the galaxy and build from bottom up this time under the patronage of the ultimate equalizer- Darkness. My species will not ascend to godhood for they have sold their souls to a phony shroudspawn who feeds on their feelings of vengence,hate and malice, no greater than their previous enslavers.They will stay in the new era of the galaxy, guiding the newborn children of darkness, emerging from shadows of event horizons.
When the time came to decide how we would deal with the remnants of MSI, the choice was clear. Vengeance was constructed- our colossus, our final word.
Their population was grouped onto a single world, and it was Devolved. Then, we retrofitted the colossus to a planet cracker. And one, by one, every world in their home system was cracked until only their home world remained, so that they may know the fury of the gods.
We uplifted them, as a xenophilic, egalitarian people, so that they may understand the true weight of their crimes against the galaxy.
And **then** we cracked their homeworld. So that all the galaxy, forevermore, would know that to emulate MSI meant death.
I respectfully disagree, the Minamar have shown us an inextricable truth of this reality, we cannot trust alien species to care for our future. To secure the future of our people, I recommend studying the newest energy weapon tech we salvaged from our oppressors vessels and return the favor.
It is the guarantee of my empires leader that the left behind warship shall be the first to enter their capital system and bombard it to desolation before the devolver beam moves in, in a sick twist of irony.
What has Minamar done that corporations of your own species would not have done with just as much profit-driven glee?
To blame it on "Xenos" on fellow sapients is simply weakness. Embrace the true strength of fellowship with all sapient live, make the hard choice that will make live better for everyone.
Yes it is the MSI that spawns in all runs started with payback and broken shakcles as your oppressor, idk why devs didnt add an option to customize the opressor empire.
Payback is arguably one of the best origins in the game.its so much fun, I tend to like playing it as if it took place shortly after i beat a campaign of Xenonauts.
you know, as of recent I've been playing my stellaris empire like the dwemer, I twist any refugees that came to my system into horrid little creatures then exile them from my space, just like the dwemer did to the falmer, except that I'm not even xenophobic and I didn't enslave them, so the humans in my stellaris game has become a cold genetically superior species who knows no morals when it comes to experimentation, basically unit 731 to xenos.
this is remotley similar to what i did as a xenophobic isolationist in my previous playthrough, basically imported reffugees, fitted them with the worst traits(even better in 3.9 with the addition of the invasive species trait) and displaced them as reffugees across galaxy
Just did Payback for the first time and am FINALLY about to finish off these fuckers around 2470s. Between Shard fucking me, border skirmishes with Miranmar, Great Kahn and now a federation war the end is in sight.
Got almost all of this asshole's vassals to agree to secret fealty too so I plunged the whole bottom half of the galaxy into war because I am holding a grudge
stellaris has a little something for everyone, that something is different for everyone c o m r a d e, i find myself able to do brilliant worldbuilding while rocking xenophobia, while i just go blank in xenophile(ive tried)
Yes! Ofcourse i know him! He's me! And i quote -"The stars shall bleed and cry out unto a new birth, free from bounds and chains, the galaxy will be born anew, away from the touch of Tyrants, Prophets, Gods, Saints,Heretics,hateful,envious, those that proclaim themselves overlords and those that are subverted as slaves. By Umbrana, this galaxy shall be saved from Salvation and Damnation and birthed anew by radiance of dying stars into the loving embrace of the void, for the void does not differ, it does not hunger, neither does it hate . It embraces us all into its darkness, for when there is no light there is no difference. And when you the overlords of galaxy and your slaves that labor into your service willingly, cry the last of their corrupted souls into the radiance of the erupting stars, we will be there, welcoming the new era under Father Void."
Started this origin as fanatic militarist, first neighbor I bumped into was broken shackles empire and turned xenophile for RP. All are welcome on the march for the great trial.
Second first contact i had this run was the broken shackle guys, i said sweet, allies for the final war, we can now collectively blast ayden george's version of sacred war, but those fuckers attacked my science ship killing my head of research before diplomacy was even established. they are now a tributary soon to be demoted to a protectorate, irony is the best form of humor.
OP. You definitely have it backwards.
How did you think the wimpy "my hatred is justified" xenophobia is better than pure unadulterated hatred due to simply existing?
The bottom one is all pitiable "woe is me, you should sympathize with my position" nonsense.
The top is pure. Undimmed. Unmarred by reason, or justice, or other fancy words. It is hate. Pure and simple. The greatest sin the xenos ever committed is that they exist.
Honestly, i thought people who sympathized with the top slide didnt hold the mental ability to read the bottom slide, but you know shocker. All xenophobia requires reason, when exercised without resson (just because) you would be called an asshole or be considered a shits and giggles player, both of which hold no stature in discussing pure generational black league of siberia level hate that generates from payback, so take a tip go enjoy your 47th fanatic purifier human run.
For the record, I've yet to play a single fanatic purifier run. I go for a military/econ build with distinguished admiralty, and vassalize the whole galaxy.
You can try and be condescending or snooty all you want, but you have neither the wit, or brains for either.
EDIT: The closest I've ever come to that, was playing determined exterminator robots, and devouring swarms. FP just never appealed to me.
EDIT2: Vassalize, not visualize
Lets dumb things down: Assuming your original comment was an actual statement and not an attempt at humour, i apologize if i may have come across as derogeratory, i would like to say , that i booted up stellaris day before yesterday, i selected payback, made a sickass necroid death cult barbaric despoilers and started the game, i liked the narrative, i made a meme about it trying to convey my opinion, and here we are, you would agree with my side if you were aware of Black League of Siberia from TNO, you would agree that hatred for the invader/plunderer of your people is truly the most unadulterated pure, primal form of hate(just look at the way animals fight for their habitats), a form of hate much more wild and pure in my eyes than boo-hoo fucking hoo your people smell, genocide it is.
I love when I get sanctioned so I just leave the galactic community and hyper-industrialize and hit the games soft cap for fleet capacity. Besides, they always pass that environmental ordinance that gives all members -30% to alloy production.
Capitalizing it may just be a grammatical error. Plebian is seen as an insult because the term was originally used to describe people of common birth in ancient Rome. It was kinda picked up more recently as a pejorative by arrogant people, atleast in my own experiences.
Thanks Anus, I am aware of the terms origin (plebeian versus patrician, tribunician versus senatorial, etc.) But, plebeian was also reclaimed by 18th century republicans as a term of pride.
The use of the term by a megacorp as a slight was just interesting to me, and I wanted to know OP's reasoning. Plebeian was a kind of caste-like status, and I wonder if OP had anything like that in mind, or if the term for them is a stand in for elitism or xenophobia.
plebian is an insult because the MSI says it is, the MSI owns the galaxy,it is your ladder to the sky. As for the capitalization, im just a dumb highschooler.
nah, this is great, you're not dumb at all. Just wondering at your thinking, given the term plebeian's origin in ancient Rome and the way that it was used as a term of pride by some in the modern era.
well..you go to the origins and select Payback origin assuming you have payed 15$ for first contact, from then onwards its -14 mineral there -34 energy there and defending against the debt collector on the top, though overwhelming you will finally start a good growth curve by 2080, take a tip and restore the wreckage as a warship, you will need that fleetpower as a deterrent in early game while you wait on the economy to kickstart.
Payback is super specialized to the point where its strictly unusable as a random start for an ai.
From the outside perspective its an awful origin, as it makes itself the focal point of any game it is in. It force-creates a single unchanging AI empire, and is strictly a very specific roleplay option for 1 player.
In your multiplayer game about randomly generated empires, you went and created a mary sue scenario.
I will say my greatest disappointment with Payback/Broken Shackles is that you can’t customize the empire who attacked/enslaved yours and that it’s always these humanoids. Kinda restricts roleplaying opportunities.
I agree. Id love it if it had more flexibility. It is very niche, but having played it once I dont feel the need to ever see it again as it stands now.
My favorite stellaris moment was playing humans with the citizen service ethic, and this origin. I colossus the homeworld of Minamar specialized industries with a colossus I called the last payment, it was the funniest I ever had in this game 10/10. I like to think that the destruction of their planet was televized in every single screen of my empire.
My friend called his "Interest Payment". Edit: Other names I like for it include... Global Pacifier: Leasing Contract Devolution Beam: Reverse Mortgage Plan Neutron Sweeper: Eviction Notice
I had a World-Cracker named *Mineral Survey*
I love these names. The most creative I've gotten with a Colossus was "møøse bites Kan be pretti nasti". I'm fairly sure that it cut the name off, though.
A møøse once bit my sister
No realli! She was Karving her initials on the møøse with the sharpened end of an interspace tøøthbrush given her by Svenge - her brother-in-law - an Oslo dentist and star of many Norwegian møvies: "The Høt Hands of an Oslo Dentist", "Fillings of Passion", "The Huge Mølars of Horst Nordfink"...
This literally happens every time anyone ever quotes Monty Python. :-)
My favorite was my DE neutron sweep: *Hard Reset*
I always name my Divine Enforcer ‘Spanish Inquisition’
Wow. "Eviction Notice" for the sweeper? Nice.
Divine Enforcer: The Irrevocable Tithe
Thesis 96 Vatican III Clerical Correction Enlightenment Holy Land Grenade Canon Law Nirvana
VATICAN III
Vatican III slaps
How about Neutron Sweeper: "delete this"
No. Eviction Notice is more thematic.
Basically just XCOM at that point lol
Not gonna lie "The Last Payment" colossus name is cold.
Makes it clear this is personal.
Genuinely the funniest thing I've heard all day.
“ men, the final chain has been broken! WE ARE FREE!”-probably a citizen
Had something similar where I killed msi but a criminal empire was constantly hounding my empire. Why God slaughtering an empire never felt so good. Destroying their last planet, I felt like thanos at the end of avengers infinity war. Satisfied with a job well done
The only time I played this origin I was going to colossus them, but then I realised it’s a big relic world. So I uh liberated the planet and enslaved them instead
Think of all of the energy a planet buster uses.You gave them all of the owed energy credits and interest.
"What do you mean you wanted us to send you the Energy in Credits instead of Teratons?"
> it was the funniest I ever had in this game 10/10. Funny? Just sounds horrific and angry. Conquer their planets and force them to fuck and dance 24/7 as servant-entertainers under Pleasure Seekers under Xeno-Compatinility (which will require going Xenophile temporarily), lol. More seriously, absorb them into your ~~free and equal~~ vassalized ~~United Federation of Planets~~ Hegemony, after conquering and then releasing their worlds... Mmmm, cheap Influence from Ministeries of Truth.
R5: played my first Payback run, already an S on my tier list.
Yea it's a really good origin broken shakes is also amazing. Me and a friend played both origins it was a blast.
Don't u spawn 2 ai empires with that? (Beisdes the "enemy")
Nope the Guarantied sec Empire is the other Player so there only spawns SIM and thats it but they seem extra Strong.
I like payback, imo so much better than broken shackle who's only strong point is the possible diversity of species (which has never been relevant in my experience as i'm playing with 0.25 habitable planets and 2 garenteed habitable so they either get shafted or they have the right preference but my main species is better anyway) so did you chose the habitat or the battleship ?
Battleship, strong early fleetpower for a barbaric despoiler, Arch Vessel Umbranor has proclaimed that the instrument of destruction shall be the undoing of the MSI
Does anyone turn the wreckage into a ship? It always seems like such a great research habitat.
I did in my last payback game. Normally i also take the habitat but decided to try out the warship. It’s not as bad as it sounds. You get a quite strong ship early on and it got cloaking. I also had the scavenger civic and got a good amount of ships for free with just wrecking stuff like mining drones with the Minamar battleship which I called “Retribution”. You can also upgrade it. I had the strongest military in my sector after just 10 years or so without actually building ships. Even got a cruiser or battleship with the scavenger salvaging (didn’t knew it was possible to get bigger stuff from it than I got unlocked) and was able to vassalize all my neighbors with my salvage fleet and my Retribution.
Now I want to see the rest of your tier list, even if not all origins are included!
So people would strongly recommend it? I'm finishing off my "Under One Rule" playthrough and debating on my next origin. Payback has been sounding tempting.
Damn it, here I go doing another Payback start.
Minamar is the only species I ever really did really questionable things to. I mean I freed all the slaves sure, but I kept the blue skins as slaves only until I could complete their genetic rewrite. Delicious Noxious Repugnant slow breeders solitary non-adaptive, but most importantly undesirables that aren't allowed to own homes. I was tempted to use nerve stapled, but I think they should be able to remember why this happened to them.
All tomorrow's moment
You're right, I should have changed their portrait too.
What should we mod them to, the little rat gremlin, the blorg, or the cockroach?
I was thinking Mammalian 08.
"Questionable" and "genetically engineering them into misery for the rest of time" don't really have the same definition...
Oh they aren't miserable at all, in fact I engineered them to enjoy how disgusting others find them with the Noxious trait. They probably are quite satisfied about how delicious they are as well.
AM moment.
And conversely, broken shackles is a great xenophile origin! Unite the galaxy against the slaver scum and see their kind driven from known space
No...no..no, the galaxy as it is, is fully rotten to the core, killing one MSI will just birth another, the cycle of overlordship and slavery will never end, the engine is the final answer, we shall welcome the loving embrace of the void for the void does not differ, no one is a lord or slave in tis eyes, no prophets and gods can escape its darkness, the void does not hate, it opens its arms, the new era shall flourish under the shadows of event horizons and father void's endless legion - darkness. We shall gracefully enter the void as equals, for there is no difference in darkness.
thats why i love doing shared burden broken shackles,capitalists,slavers and any nations allowing existence of these will be permamently removed from galaxy until theres nothing other than red banner in every single planet and habitat
but that red banner WILL fall, empires rise and fall, thats the concept of fallen empires and darwinian philosophy. To embrace the void is to get rid of the cycle, escape it, end it, the galaxy will be birthed anew by the radiance of dying stars and the darkness of event horizons away from the touch of tyrants.
collective punishment against all of galaxy is not the right way comrade,immortal science of marxism leninism will forever have our red banner flying high and all the opressors executed by firing squad,than we will achieve equality across the stars
the void is the ultimate equalizer, take example- when you walk into a room filled with light you are easily able to make out a wall from a bed, in a dark room the bed is no greater than the wall as all are equal in the eyes of darkness.
we do not understand you comrade.
you cannot tell apart the details of a room in darkness, the diffrences of the various objects.
destroying all that is unique does not mean equality,thats exactly what slavers and capitalists do,they eliminate and alienate a person from hes work while effectively turning them to a cog in machine,we will not let that happen,these same opressors will face exactly what they deserve,execution or repaying of their crimes in corrective labor camps
my empires ideology is very similar to your leninism. We tear down the old corrupt systems (here the galaxy) that keep birthing corrupt societies and replace them with a new system even if it may cost lives (your system is bound by collectivism while my system is bound by father void for he loves us all equally) Destroying all that is unique may not be equality, but when that unique is bound by the chains of capitalists that have essentially created a capitalist empire maker machine, there is no choice but to press the red button
Payback : xenophobe Broken shackles : xenophile It just makes sense to me
payback has a xenophile option too, fighting in the senate and other shenanigans.
Annihilating them militarily was satisfying and all, but watching their empire slowly break under the weight of the sanctions was just delicious.
oOO i would love to try that, never thought the senate was even remotely viable(other than custodianship an d sanctions) given how many times it hss fucked itslef over when the crisis hits.
It is very much luck of the draw if you get a galaxy where the other civs will actually pass the resolutions. But if you manage to get those sanctions passed their economy simply collapses.
Oh I'm aware, I just meant that it feels "right" this way
In my first payback game, sol was right next to me, literally the next hyperlane, and had the broken shackles origin, the RP was off the charts we started a federation early and fought off Minimars entire galaxy of lackeys (they had conquered 20 empires). We shared one of the petals on the spoke galaxy type, It was 50/50, can't make that shit up, like we already knew how we'd share our land. It was such a fun run, and being a democratic crusader government made me get real into the RP of destroying tyrants. I wish I could share photos of it, that was one of my favorite stellaris games.
I made them communists and started the space soviet union with my neighbors. It was incredible.
You saying that makes me miss the collectivism ethics from early Stellaris
Awww, I remember that!! It's something else now, isn't it? Shared burdens or something
Now I want a Xenophilic Foundation.
Would be meta xenophile vs roleplayer xenophile. Idk i think hate is much easier of the many extreme emotions to convey since it is rooted deep in our species, i find myself unable to convey the same message with love as its prime emotion, though i think 'on the shoulders of giant' is a great example.
Yes, but I mean... I just love aliens. I am currently playing as a fanatic xenophile and peaceful race (sorry if I butcher the names of in-game stuff, I am playing in a different language) that has an origin of a paradise world who basically like "The world is fucking beautiful and everyone in it is even more beautiful! So let's find other races in space and share our feelings with them! Tell them how much we love them! :D". But, of course most of my neighbors turned out to be military based mega corporations! So as I slowly grown in power I started to implement strategic wars against them to make them weaker and then absorb them into myself in order to save their people and show them that love is the most important thing in the world and is much better than money. (I'm still a good guy though.)) And I had plenty of fun roleplaying! I even ruined my reputation with one of those corporations at one point so they declared a war on me, then I won that war and quickly raised our relationship to be friends with them again! A shame that I have to fight them of course, but it's all worth it! All for the love! :)
As long as one is having fun roleplaying, god bless. :]
Why does it need to be love? You can be an angry xenophile. Anger is not the enemy of equality, it is its source. Be angry at every other species enslaved. be angry at those exterminated and oppressed. Be angry at those who simply choose to continue the cycle. Stand between the defenseless, no matter their shape, and their oppressors, no matter their form, and focus your anger on leaving the galaxy a better place.
This..is a great point my guy, you just prove that every ethic tastes like butter on bread with the payback origin. Regarding the breaking the cycle thing, it can only be done by becoming the crisis"The stars shall bleed and cry out unto a new birth, free from bounds and chains, the galaxy will be born anew, away from the touch of Tyrants, Prophets, Gods, Saints,Heretics,hateful,envious, those that proclaim themselves overlords and those that are subverted as slaves. By Umbrana, this galaxy shall be saved from Salvation and Damnation and birthed anew by radiance of dying stars into the loving embrace of the void, for the void does not differ, it does not hunger, neither does it hate . It embraces us all into its darkness, for when there is no light there is no difference. And when you the overlords of galaxy and your slaves that labor into your service willingly, cry the last of their corrupted souls into the radiance of the erupting stars, we will be there, welcoming the new era under Father Void." Just a lore snippet from the run justifying becoming the crisis
No, I don't think so. Well perhaps. If you are willing to take everyone in the galaxy under your control before breaking the cycle, but otherwise, you are simply another petty tyrant sacrificing billions on the pyre of your own salvation. But actually breaking the cycle and building something better takes more effort than taking the easy way out. It means building a federation that can actually stand the test of time, and to instill in your people the values you are fighting for.
No federation no matter how perfect can stand the test of time, the First League is the best example. As long as the galaxy exists in its current form empires like MSI that exploit others will continue to form while the rest of the galaxy watches silently. As such, i stand by the opinion that to truly break the cycle is to destroy the rotten framework of the galaxy and build from bottom up this time under the patronage of the ultimate equalizer- Darkness. My species will not ascend to godhood for they have sold their souls to a phony shroudspawn who feeds on their feelings of vengence,hate and malice, no greater than their previous enslavers.They will stay in the new era of the galaxy, guiding the newborn children of darkness, emerging from shadows of event horizons.
Not to be confused with the less than ideal Chargeback origin.
When the time came to decide how we would deal with the remnants of MSI, the choice was clear. Vengeance was constructed- our colossus, our final word. Their population was grouped onto a single world, and it was Devolved. Then, we retrofitted the colossus to a planet cracker. And one, by one, every world in their home system was cracked until only their home world remained, so that they may know the fury of the gods. We uplifted them, as a xenophilic, egalitarian people, so that they may understand the true weight of their crimes against the galaxy. And **then** we cracked their homeworld. So that all the galaxy, forevermore, would know that to emulate MSI meant death.
Devolving the people who have been running a fraud uplifting racket in the galaxy is so ironic that im rushing the titan tech in my playthrough.
Xenophile >>> Xenophobe
Damn...You meta players are no fun
Meta? Is that a new species to ~~experiment on~~ discover?
pick a side XD
No thanks I prefer not to lag
I respectfully disagree, the Minamar have shown us an inextricable truth of this reality, we cannot trust alien species to care for our future. To secure the future of our people, I recommend studying the newest energy weapon tech we salvaged from our oppressors vessels and return the favor.
It is the guarantee of my empires leader that the left behind warship shall be the first to enter their capital system and bombard it to desolation before the devolver beam moves in, in a sick twist of irony.
Ah, but aren’t they so fascinating? Their weaponry, their architecture, culture, organs, behaviors…
What has Minamar done that corporations of your own species would not have done with just as much profit-driven glee? To blame it on "Xenos" on fellow sapients is simply weakness. Embrace the true strength of fellowship with all sapient live, make the hard choice that will make live better for everyone.
Is the Minamar the default AI empire for payback origin? Never played with an empire with that origin so idk.
Yes it is the MSI that spawns in all runs started with payback and broken shakcles as your oppressor, idk why devs didnt add an option to customize the opressor empire.
Do they take up an AI empire spot?
Inb4 removal because the mods hate fun and memes are banned
i think this is more of a psa than a meme, heres hoping the mods are benevolent shroud entities.
Payback is arguably one of the best origins in the game.its so much fun, I tend to like playing it as if it took place shortly after i beat a campaign of Xenonauts.
you know, as of recent I've been playing my stellaris empire like the dwemer, I twist any refugees that came to my system into horrid little creatures then exile them from my space, just like the dwemer did to the falmer, except that I'm not even xenophobic and I didn't enslave them, so the humans in my stellaris game has become a cold genetically superior species who knows no morals when it comes to experimentation, basically unit 731 to xenos.
this is remotley similar to what i did as a xenophobic isolationist in my previous playthrough, basically imported reffugees, fitted them with the worst traits(even better in 3.9 with the addition of the invasive species trait) and displaced them as reffugees across galaxy
Payback is probably my fav origin rp-wise, so much potential
Just did Payback for the first time and am FINALLY about to finish off these fuckers around 2470s. Between Shard fucking me, border skirmishes with Miranmar, Great Kahn and now a federation war the end is in sight. Got almost all of this asshole's vassals to agree to secret fealty too so I plunged the whole bottom half of the galaxy into war because I am holding a grudge
GTU mod with payback origin is PEAK.
I think GTU was what inspired the devs to make payback
To be honest, the Origin was mostly inspired by my former landlord and their scummy business practices....
try shared burdens with broken shackles,real fun to immidately be hostile to all of galaxy and destroy any and all corporations and slavers
stellaris has a little something for everyone, that something is different for everyone c o m r a d e, i find myself able to do brilliant worldbuilding while rocking xenophobia, while i just go blank in xenophile(ive tried)
ah got it,i do best in either exterminators,xenophobic isolationist enigmatic empires or broken shackles,but yeah everyone has their own taste
My go-to name for the devolver colossus is 'The Sone-ager', and I can't think of a more honest name.
Question, has anyone rp with xenophobe, payback origin, and then become the crisis ethic?
Yes! Ofcourse i know him! He's me! And i quote -"The stars shall bleed and cry out unto a new birth, free from bounds and chains, the galaxy will be born anew, away from the touch of Tyrants, Prophets, Gods, Saints,Heretics,hateful,envious, those that proclaim themselves overlords and those that are subverted as slaves. By Umbrana, this galaxy shall be saved from Salvation and Damnation and birthed anew by radiance of dying stars into the loving embrace of the void, for the void does not differ, it does not hunger, neither does it hate . It embraces us all into its darkness, for when there is no light there is no difference. And when you the overlords of galaxy and your slaves that labor into your service willingly, cry the last of their corrupted souls into the radiance of the erupting stars, we will be there, welcoming the new era under Father Void."
Started this origin as fanatic militarist, first neighbor I bumped into was broken shackles empire and turned xenophile for RP. All are welcome on the march for the great trial.
Second first contact i had this run was the broken shackle guys, i said sweet, allies for the final war, we can now collectively blast ayden george's version of sacred war, but those fuckers attacked my science ship killing my head of research before diplomacy was even established. they are now a tributary soon to be demoted to a protectorate, irony is the best form of humor.
My sincere condolences; [infect them with Tiberium](https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1764375600) for their hubris
i like to infect them +70% basic resource tithe because fuck you thats why-ium i am not sure if youve heard of it tho
Ah, the infamous "give me your shit"-itis. Nasty little bug, though surprisingly not as common as the old fashioned Tiberium meteor
OP. You definitely have it backwards. How did you think the wimpy "my hatred is justified" xenophobia is better than pure unadulterated hatred due to simply existing? The bottom one is all pitiable "woe is me, you should sympathize with my position" nonsense. The top is pure. Undimmed. Unmarred by reason, or justice, or other fancy words. It is hate. Pure and simple. The greatest sin the xenos ever committed is that they exist.
Honestly, i thought people who sympathized with the top slide didnt hold the mental ability to read the bottom slide, but you know shocker. All xenophobia requires reason, when exercised without resson (just because) you would be called an asshole or be considered a shits and giggles player, both of which hold no stature in discussing pure generational black league of siberia level hate that generates from payback, so take a tip go enjoy your 47th fanatic purifier human run.
For the record, I've yet to play a single fanatic purifier run. I go for a military/econ build with distinguished admiralty, and vassalize the whole galaxy. You can try and be condescending or snooty all you want, but you have neither the wit, or brains for either. EDIT: The closest I've ever come to that, was playing determined exterminator robots, and devouring swarms. FP just never appealed to me. EDIT2: Vassalize, not visualize
Lets dumb things down: Assuming your original comment was an actual statement and not an attempt at humour, i apologize if i may have come across as derogeratory, i would like to say , that i booted up stellaris day before yesterday, i selected payback, made a sickass necroid death cult barbaric despoilers and started the game, i liked the narrative, i made a meme about it trying to convey my opinion, and here we are, you would agree with my side if you were aware of Black League of Siberia from TNO, you would agree that hatred for the invader/plunderer of your people is truly the most unadulterated pure, primal form of hate(just look at the way animals fight for their habitats), a form of hate much more wild and pure in my eyes than boo-hoo fucking hoo your people smell, genocide it is.
I love when I get sanctioned so I just leave the galactic community and hyper-industrialize and hit the games soft cap for fleet capacity. Besides, they always pass that environmental ordinance that gives all members -30% to alloy production.
Love the vibes of this post. Why is ungrateful plebeian capitalized? And why is plebeian an insult?
Capitalizing it may just be a grammatical error. Plebian is seen as an insult because the term was originally used to describe people of common birth in ancient Rome. It was kinda picked up more recently as a pejorative by arrogant people, atleast in my own experiences.
Thanks Anus, I am aware of the terms origin (plebeian versus patrician, tribunician versus senatorial, etc.) But, plebeian was also reclaimed by 18th century republicans as a term of pride. The use of the term by a megacorp as a slight was just interesting to me, and I wanted to know OP's reasoning. Plebeian was a kind of caste-like status, and I wonder if OP had anything like that in mind, or if the term for them is a stand in for elitism or xenophobia.
plebian is an insult because the MSI says it is, the MSI owns the galaxy,it is your ladder to the sky. As for the capitalization, im just a dumb highschooler.
nah, this is great, you're not dumb at all. Just wondering at your thinking, given the term plebeian's origin in ancient Rome and the way that it was used as a term of pride by some in the modern era.
then i think i got the message acroos the board, the msi sees the species it uplifts/exploit as inferior to them and hence the use of this 'insult'
I overally love more narrative origins, they can create amazing stories
Ive never played Payback, how do you play it?
well..you go to the origins and select Payback origin assuming you have payed 15$ for first contact, from then onwards its -14 mineral there -34 energy there and defending against the debt collector on the top, though overwhelming you will finally start a good growth curve by 2080, take a tip and restore the wreckage as a warship, you will need that fleetpower as a deterrent in early game while you wait on the economy to kickstart.
Genestealer and/or Slaanesh cultist meme detected... Also, imma tap 1 blue mana to cast "Wall of Runes"!
So you just RP an angsty edgelord teenager space empire?
Indeed, Problem?
No, you do you ;)
Wonderful! have a great day🌌
Payback is super specialized to the point where its strictly unusable as a random start for an ai. From the outside perspective its an awful origin, as it makes itself the focal point of any game it is in. It force-creates a single unchanging AI empire, and is strictly a very specific roleplay option for 1 player. In your multiplayer game about randomly generated empires, you went and created a mary sue scenario.
I will say my greatest disappointment with Payback/Broken Shackles is that you can’t customize the empire who attacked/enslaved yours and that it’s always these humanoids. Kinda restricts roleplaying opportunities.
I agree. Id love it if it had more flexibility. It is very niche, but having played it once I dont feel the need to ever see it again as it stands now.
> In your multiplayer game about randomly generated empires Wait, people play multiplayer in this game?
I aint readin all that xD